kharkiv, odesa and even lviv, come on, these are russian cities. yes, russians live there who do not even understand that they are russians. so, instead of speaking the beautiful, pure russian language of pushkin and putin, these people speak the slang of their peasant poets. terrible, but we can't do anything, because if we try to restore historical justice, and they are in nato, there will be a third world war and from moscow for... but it will remain the same as from this missile test from armata. unpleasant, and so are we we will live next to them, they will think that maybe one day the situation will change and they will kill us after all, and we will know that they do not have such opportunities, that's all, this is the real way out for ukrainians and jews in the 21 century, i don't know what i'll be in the 22nd, i can't predict for so long, but in the 21st century, these two are a people. i promise just

coexistence with the neighbors, who will slowly get used to the idea that they cannot kill them at night, that's the fate, different peoples have different fates, well, ukrainians and jews have the same fate, the jews don't get used to it, so i absolutely they are calm about it, ukrainians in such a situation, in principle, think that they were not there, although during the famine they were, they were, they simply did not have, there was no awareness of such a situation, it seems to me that there were already at least several hundred, well, that is, simply asks this is the myth about the fortress of masada, which was stormed by the romans. all its defenders committed

suicide in order not to fall into the hands of the invaders, this is the main jewish national myth, and not at all a myth about how we created the theory of relativity there, or how we created a wonderful bank there, that's all well, but this is not an achievement, but the main thing is the mossad, every person who is there in israel and has some jewish national consciousness, he goes back there. like going to jerusalem to see this place of national self-sacrifice, and ukrainians now many such mythological things are already appearing, you see, because when the people feel threatened, they begin to live in the atmosphere of these myths, so they become a nation of warriors who understand , what are they, what are they sacrificing for freedom, if we go back to the current situation, israel basically preparing for some answer, which answer is no one. does not know, does not know, except for

israel itself, except for the military-political leadership. in your opinion, what would be the most optimal response from the point of view of not, as they say, falling out with the united states of america, and to, conditionally speaking, well respond, because israel cannot but respond to what happened. well, israel can consider that he is in principle sdat. to the destruction of hezbollah itself and that he should now be engaged in the destruction of hezbollah, and by the way, in recent months israel has achieved the destruction hezbollah, which he did not achieve such results in the destruction of hamas, and everyone always said that hezbollah is a much stronger infrastructure organization than hamas, but hezbollah has such capabilities that hamas never had, and this and this is the main tool of iran . in the middle east, although the fact that

hezbollah really controls the entire state, that hamas is an army of suicide bombers for iran, and hezbollah is a political infrastructure, this is very serious, and that as a result, as a result, almost the entire military leadership of hezbollah is destroyed and political , here the latest news was that after hassan was destroyed on sral, a new israeli strike could lead to this today it was learned before. the death of hachem sofieddin, the head of hezbollah's executive committee and the person who was considered to be hassan's real heir, screwed up the situation after he was eliminated, and by the way, you see, hezbollah was very careful after the death of nasrallah, because they understood that it's not the end of the story, that it's not about nastral, it's about destroying hezbollah as such, and they... don't fail the funeral to the arrows, they

were afraid to even bury him solemnly, because they believed that if they held a funeral, the people who would participate in this funeral would become targets for israel. of the special services, after that, as you and i understand, they conspired even more seriously, and judging by the latest information, israel was able to hit hachem safeyadin, when this head of the hezbollah executive committee was holding a meeting with the leadership that remained, and maybe not only he died, but many more. leading representatives of this terrorist organization, this too absolutely realistic, it could be, and basically, i think the situation here is absolutely realistic, that he died,

so israel continues to destroy this organization, this whole story with the pagers with the walkie-talkies, it led to the fact that a huge number the militants were brought out of harm's way. well, that is, in fact, what does israel need? israel needs lebanon to regain its state structures and cease to be a territory for hezbollah's experiments to destroy israel. now, in principle, if hezbollah ceases to be such a driving force by force, there were real opportunities to elect a new president of lebanon. you know that the president has been gone for more than 600 days, and the government that is now acting. on behalf of lebanon, this is such an interim government, there is no legitimate government with real powers. so what does this mean in practice? in practice , this means that israel can continue to act in this direction in order to restore legitimacy to the lebanese state, to restore the ability

of the lebanese armed forces to prove that iran will no longer carry out its, its activities in lebanon, this. there may be one strike, there may be a strike on some military, but not nuclear facilities of the islamic republic. that is, i still exclude nuclear facilities. i don't rule it out, i think about how i would act. but i'm not cheap. there, among other things, it was not only about nuclear facilities, including gas and oil. gas and oil objects were also theoretically considered by israel as. possible for an attack, well, approximately, as we strike at russian oil depots, so as to deprive them of a resource, uh, because by and large their main resource is oil, and by the way, it is thanks to this resource that they survive under western sanctions, by the way, who buys their oil? china, ugh, china, of course,

china buys 90% of iranian oil, but if we come to that, what is the position of china in this case, well, china, china? supports iran and supports russia, what is the position, if he buys cheap oil from them, who does he support? you understand a simple thing, if iran and russia could not sell oil to china, russia, and also to india, then there would be no war on there was no near east and there was no war in ukraine. the real beneficiary of this war is the people's republic of china, because war needs money anyway, you know? if you are under sanctions, you have less money, if no one buys your oil, you have no money at all. at one time , saddam hussein, who did not buy oil, agreed to the oil-for- food program. there was such a program of

the united nations in relation to iran and iraq. and with iran, everything is completely different, that's why that iran began to be under sanctions just when there were real opportunities for... for another economy, the economy of the global south, to serve the interests of dictatorships, that's why i say that we are in a rather strange situation, that on the one hand the civilized world would like to end the conflict in the middle east because it clearly threatens it, the civilized world would like to end the war in ukraine because this war threatens the security of europe, first of all, the civilized world imposes sanctions against iran and against russia to force them to end the war and deprive them of their resource. for the war, the civilized world continues fruitful economic cooperation with china, but fortunately now at least they made these tariffs against chinese electric cars, and this and this cooperation enriches china and develops its economy. china is absolutely not going to reckon with

any values ​​of the civilized world and buys cheap oil from those countries against which the united states and european countries are imposing sanctions. these countries can survive. in the sanctions regime and continue wars in ukraine and the middle east, what to do in general, what to do, it's a vicious circle, but at the same time, of course, then you can blame israel and ukraine. well, the fact is that they somehow do not really want peace, they need to find some kind of compromises with those who can actually continue the war thanks to this economic carousel, well, it is immoral, and again, what is the way out of the situation, we understand , either we still force the countries of the global south to adhere to common values, or we have to tell ourselves that we will lose any conflict, we can't win. we can only stop it there for a certain moment by force, the last question, perhaps, is whether

a possible response will be followed by an iranian strike, the iranians are already there, they say that if israel responds, their strike will be even more powerful, well, of course, they can be more threats, but still, can we consider that... such mutual strikes, they will continue, of course, because with iran's strikes it's about the same as with putin's strikes. the very idea that if you strike iran, you are provoking it to the next strike - this is a very strange idea in general. iran has its own political program. this program is called the destruction of the jewish state in the middle east. as russia has its own political program, it is called the destruction of the ukrainian state. vladimir putin, as you know, never hid his. with his determination to destroy the ukrainian state, not only putin, medvedev wrote about it, so all these russian leaders

always spoke about it absolutely openly, without hiding from anyone, explaining what their program, iranians have been saying this since the islamic revolution, that's how this theocratic regime won, the head of which was alatayal khamini, and then aitala khamini, well, they are achieving their goals, they can wait for years, remember that there was a fatwa by the ayatollahs. in relation to the famous writer salman rushi, whom he accused of slandering islam and issued a fatwa about its destruction for completely incomprehensible reasons. and salman rushdie hid for many years, was under the protection of the intelligence services, ayatollah omeini had already died, there was no it is clear whether the fatwa of ayatollah meniya is confirmed. it was a long story and in the end someone got together and hit him, er, the writer. lost an eye, fortunately he did not die, but

several decades have passed since the verdict that ayatala khamini handed down, so you have to understand that if you relax with such people, they will kill you, they will not read you morals, they will kill you , here, so everything here is absolutely obvious, there is this program that there should be no israel, talakhomaini always spoke about it, italakhameni spoke about it, all iranians spoke about it presidents, both conservatives and liberals, that... this masoud pizishkiyan, who is called a representative of liberal bodies, who won the election against the will of the islamic revolutionary guard corps, who is in relations with the conservative part of the islamic clergy, he who has some other position in relation to israel, no, he has a different position, that it is necessary to coexist with the united states, this is what he has, it is possible to have different positions, but in relation to israel, if you want to be part of this gang, take no other position. not it is possible, so they will strike israel, not when israel

strikes them, but when they decide that they should strike, it is like the russian-ukrainian war, that is, if they believe that in they have enough rockets, they have enough forces, they need such and such targets, i want to assure you that they will find a reason, it can be any anniversary of some israeli strike. the anniversary of some history with the gas sector, the anniversary of that, these are authoritarian ideologies, they can strike on holidays, just in honor of some holidays, well, as we speak now, it’s vladimir putin’s birthday, there may be a massive attack on russia, that’s why we say it, because we hit him with something, did something to him, no, we understand that they think so, if there is forces to strike, they can simply link it to some ... important date for them, as a demonstration of their own state effectiveness, so i do not think at all that

any israeli prime minister, when deciding the need to strike iran or any other hostile power that wants to destroy israel, what should he think about that there will be a retaliatory blow, there will still be a blow, it must be clearly understood, another topic we would like to talk about is poland and poland. politically shaking around the so-called volyn issue, it was repeatedly discussed on the airwaves and tv channel in ukraine. society, we have been observing during the last weeks, months, the aggravation of this topic in ukrainian-polish relations, and in particular in the current week that we are talking about, the head of the polish institute of national remembrance, they also have such an institute that quite, and i before this

i know that it has existed for quite a long time and... actually , ukraine also created the institute of national memory later after the revolution of dignity. in poland, this institute has been working for many, many years, if i am not mistaken, since the 90s. in fact, the head of the polish institute of national remembrance called halychyna eastern lesser poland, and this caused ukrainian society, it is clear that another resonance and discussion, including ukraine, is ready. but before discussing with poland and coming to some, at least common, issue regarding the resolution of these historical troubles, in particular the minister of foreign affairs sabiga stated that ukraine is ready to talk with poland about the volyn tragedy, including other statements by representatives of the republic

of poland, in particular the ministry of foreign affairs states that the issue of volyn... will be violated during the negotiations of ukraine's accession to the european union, and here the minister of defense of the republic of poland also noted that the state will not agree to ukraine's accession to the eu if the issue of volyn is not resolved. well here it is we actually see another parade of such statements, and by the way, by the way, speaking of it. so very, very balanced, the president, the current president of poland, andrzej duda, not this week, but last week, said that it is not worth raising the topic of the volyn tragedy in the context of ukraine's accession to europe, the european union or nato , and in general not to make it a political

issue, but to solve it, conditionally speaking, well ... through bilateral changes. mr. vitaly, if we are talking about it, i observe that we believed that when the government of law and justice changes in poland, which basically ruled the state from 2016 to 2000 23, or even from 15. to 23, yes, a political party that is quite radical, that is a right-wing political force, and when in fact there is already a civil position in power for a year, when there are essentially three political forces

that are considered democratic, then we observe that the situation is well... if not the other way around, then practically the sign is equal, why is this happening now in polish politics, how is it that it would seem that those forces that should not be raising, at least this issue at the level of the european union, why are they raising it? i think that this is a political consensus in polish society, which, by the way, was largely created thanks to the efforts of the right-wing forces, ugh, ugh, because they ensured this consensus, now, as you see, they... can speak, you are speculating on this for nothing, as president andrzej duda says, to the prime minister, he says, he should focus on the essence of quite a radical electorate, but i understand, they believe that they should adjust from their position, but if our government says that the issue of historical memory should be resolved, we will say that it is necessary, but in europe it is not necessary to blackmail ukraine, well that not only

angel duda, the former minister of foreign affairs of poland, said that polish-ukrainian relations are not very easy, and when he held the position of minister, it somehow confused him, but he is a strong expert in what? problems that these people, they are absolutely able to think logically, they understand the essence of the problem, they can come to the right conclusions, and these

conclusions of mr. chapotovych, they are correct from an expert point of view, but when it comes to some electoral decisions and the opposition of these political forces, each of them tries to prove that she is not going to to abandon this paradigm, it means that we need a dialogue, but realistically speaking, we need a dialogue with poland, and we really need, the first thing i would like us to do is that we resolve the issue with poland - ukrainian relations, regarding of national memory in the european union, and not outside it. i think that, by and large , we can agree that

the european union is exactly the platform that allows solving these complex problems. i would really hate for you and i to be in a situation where we had to... take certain decisions as part of our european integration, because it always ends badly, i keep saying to my polish friends: think that everything it can be later revised after ukraine becomes a member of nato and the european union, and you will have nothing to show for it. on the contrary, it will remain such an insult between the two countries that you forced us to make those decisions that we did not want to make, only because you were concerned about our future, our security, but if we go, we conduct a dialogue in the european union itself , as close countries, as neighboring countries, we together create

institutions that allow us to come to a common ukrainian-polish such, i would say de-escalation of historical tensions, if anything, it would be a very important moment, which one way or another... would solve the issue related to what will look like not only the european integration of ukraine, but the future of ukrainian-polish relations in the understanding of our common interests, so i will immediately say that the situation is related to ukrainian-polish relations, it will be important one way or another. i would say, part of the whole process of euro-atlantic european integration, which will continue in the coming years, and it is very important to me that polish society

understands that such complex issues cannot use as an element of blackmail, even if you feel some kind of historical rightness, i will not even say now who is right, who is guilty, i generally believe that this story with historical right leads only to the deterioration of relations, as we see . to bulgaria, north macedonia, you see the situation here, that in fact now the european union has divided albania and north macedonia and is conducting independent negotiations with albania, and is not conducting negotiations with north macedonia, because north macedonia did not reach a historic compromise with bulgaria, but this is wrong, because yes, let's say, now north macedonia and bulgaria will agree on something, north macedonia will make some changes, including those of a constitutional nature, and what will happen? after north macedonia joins the european union? who will then prevent north macedonia from changing its constitution? if we want some, you know, agreements not

for these five years, but strategically for a century, then we should act together, not alone the country, taking advantage of the fact that it joined some european or euro-atlantic structures earlier than another, tried to impose. i have a different vision of reality, so in principle i have a completely clear understanding, and i support, by the way, andrzej dudy, i support the speaker of the polish parliament, szymon, the main thing is that the issue is not even about ruminations, the issue is that we solve our complex problems as members of a common european family, so that there is no such question, and if you do not do what we ask of you. then you don't get what we, in principle, should have done if

there were none. that's what i think is a very important point, and that's what we have to think about, and that's what's part of this whole story, and i'm going to be very sorry if certain decisions are actually made, because we're going to: you know, if we will not do it, if we do not vote for it, we will have problems with european integration, because in the future it will boomerang on the whole atmosphere of polish-ukrainian relations and will help the political success of those who will say: you see, our government made compromises then, and we are already in the european union . for us, we will cancel it all, that's how it will be, and what poland will say then, it will be like that, and poland won't say anything even then, yes, well here, you see, it's still imposed, in addition to the presidential elections , in addition to this, but we ourselves must understand that the poles must also understand that elections are elections, elections will take place, unfortunately,

even, even we... we see that those things that related to the blocking of the border, they hit the polish people extremely hard -ukrainian relations, about the attitude of ukrainians, as of today, if we are talking about the attitude of ukrainians to poland to poles until 2023, and what we have now after this whole array of actions, the poles it is already different, and we would not like that very much , because, well, because, because... i, for example, would not like our countries, our peoples to once again be at odds, because someone has some political ambitions. verdict with serhiy rudenko, from now on in a new, two-hour format, with even more

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greetings viewers of the espresso tv channel. today we have the opportunity to talk with a very unusual guest. we cover her face, change her voice and do everything to make her unrecognizable. and all this because a representative of the center of national resistance with the call sign lypa is visiting us. lipo congratulations, thank you for agreeing to come and tell the heroes of the glory, when i think about the word with which i associate partisan is actually some kind of memories about history, about books, which many ukrainian partisans now have since the middle of the 20th century, it is about archives, about some family histories, and now many years pass, and we we hear that now there are partisans again, who are they?

ukrainian partisans of the 21st century, what do they do? well, if we really turn to history, then today we are facing such a terrible calamity, such a terrible enemy, as in the times of the second world war, the first world war, and as there were partisans then, there were resistance movements in all european countries. and now, it's just, probably, such a natural phenomenon that necessarily appears when an enemy comes to your land. what do representatives, members of this movement do, what do they do, who are they? to be specific, our unit, the center of national resistance, we were created in accordance with the law of ukraine on national resistance, and are...