24 on september 24, they created an advantage of five brigades and not on september 25 they created the prerequisites for the encirclement, it was a gradual story, that is, they drove under the fortifications, they drove for several months, it was still felt in the summer that there would be problems under the vugudar, and there were many warnings, why was it brought to such a state, this is the main question that is now, in particular, before me, and, that is, you are also asking this question, thank you denis for joining, denis popov. the military columnist was a guest freedom morning, thank you. so, in this video we are talked about the offensive of russian forces in the kurakhiv and pokrovsky directions, you heard a correspondent of radio liberty, you heard a military expert, many opinions, collected analytics, comment on this video, subscribe to radio liberty, this is morning freedom, my name is kateryna nekrecha, thank you for being with us, take care and see you soon. tired

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unpack health from unpacktv, call, we'll be back, thank you. to watch from the press, thank you for donating, there is a message from the capital that the anti-aircraft defense was working there and managed to destroy all air targets, we will be there in literally 20 minutes, sorry, not in 20, a little later in an hour we will be there opportunity to talk with representatives capital regarding this attack, we also have information that there are now explosions in zaporizhzhia, this is actually the most likely cab, because there was a previous report that... they were flying in the direction of zaporizhzhia. in the meantime, until you give it, we will add the doctor of historical sciences, the head of the committee of voters of ukraine to the conversation. oleksiy koshel is in touch with our studio. good morning, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. well, maybe share your impressions of what you heard in kyiv. how, as you saw,

heard this last, extreme attack. well unfortunately millions of us hear these attacks. every day, in fact, and we see, the enemy is increasing the tempo of kharkiv and many ukrainian cities, but i wanted to mention against this background, unfortunately, you are not the background, to mention the discussion that is currently ongoing, which ukraine, formats of victory, loss of territory, non-loss territories, nato, nato guarantees and everything else, that is... it is easier for us to perceive this discussion against the background of constant explosions, we must understand that while there is an internal political discussion in ukraine, what concessions are possible, what is the format of the truce, while western politicians are thinking, and some of them have been thinking for 10 years, ukraine is on the verge of survival, simply on the verge of survival, as

a state, as a nation, and therefore we need to draw conclusions for ourselves that no one will fight for us without ourselves. no one will fight for ukraine, and that is why we should proceed from the fact that we need to revise the budget, we need to revise the budget for next year as well, we need to direct all our efforts to the defense sector, the figures about 4 million drones are all good, but we we see that in the army the problems with provisioning remain to this day, there are parade statements, thinking about lowering the conscription age - this is also good, but the problems with mobilization remain, and during the years of the war, large-scale, more than 2.5 years, the reform of the tsk no one started and no one even finished, that's also the reason, i'm not saying the key, but one of the reasons, that's why we need comprehensive solutions, we need to overcome the internal management crisis, which you know, like bad things that

eat away at the body, i asked for the whole thing the state mechanism, the entire state management mechanism, you are talking about... these are all western scenarios, and there are also eastern, eastern and southern ones, well, i mean, chinese-brazilian ones, but these are all external scenarios, in ukraine they are increasingly discussing the fact that there is an internal scenario, that is, the readiness to adhere to one of these scenarios and allegedly go to the elections in six months, this is ipso, this is such informational noise, are there any signs? it's hard to talk about signs, i think there are different groups of influence in power, and i'm just convinced well, this is how any powerful team is built, that is, it is a living mechanism that cannot think under command, cannot think alike, so obviously different scenarios are considered and

were considered before, that is, well, this is how it works, this is how psychology works, this is how the psychology of power is built , but here the question now is that, well, i think that we need there... not even the details of the victory plan, because we already have enough, they behave with us, the authorities very often behave with us, you know how with small children, such formats of informational games, there we prepared. 90% of victory, in a few days we prepared 100%, well , i'm sorry, we should take it as applauding the authorities for preparing a victory plan, and now the rest, we will share part of this plan, we will not share, part of the secret, i apologize, dear, well, no one asks to share any plans, it is clear that this is the work of the authorities, it is clear that this should be a document of hundreds of pages, where there will be painted there from bolts for spare parts, baters to... many other things, to types, to types there fuel for airplanes, these are all details,

society does not need them, but society needs a clear conversation, it is necessary to come out and say: dear, there will be no coffee in crimea, dear, there will be no quick victory there until the new year and next year. let's look realistically: the enemy has reorganized, the enemy is strong enough, let's take these threats seriously. the enemy has more... clearly defined allies who no longer hide the fact that they help in one or another direction, that is, the global task for us to survive as a state, to survive as a nation and to win back our territories, what is needed for this, an honest dialogue with business, what to do with taxes, we do not raise tomorrow, yesterday or the day after yesterday, an honest conversation, we need to listen to business, because the main bright heads who understand how finances work, how the economy is working, i understand that they are not in the parliamentary monomajority, they are sitting in a large

business that shows how it knows how to survive during the war, rebuild and develop, an honest dialogue is needed there with the parliamentary opposition, including, for so that the government does not rely on the votes of the opz, i apologize for the words, on the votes of the homeland, european solidarity, the voice of the non-factional part, it is necessary to completely rebuild the management. mechanisms, to strengthen the management team, plus an honest dialogue with the citizens of ukraine, because everyone wants to understand what to expect, and we live in a format, you know, or intimidation from one side or the other, everything will be fine, we are winning, coffee in crimea, you can't do that, you can't do that, well, let's say there about preparation for winter and about power cuts, the state must honestly tell the citizens, not individual experts, not... pseudo-experts, not business representatives, because many of them have their own interests, have their own interests, well,

i'm sorry, who wants, who wants to sell, i don't know, generator wagons , he has his own interests, the state should communicate with people, not play games, mr. oleksiy, but i listen to you and i have a slight déjà vu, we have already talked about it a little bit, but we talked about all this and there was no movement on any of the points, which you have voiced is not... there is no, there was no, and there are not even signs that they are heard and will act like this. what then? what kind of development awaits us then? unfortunately, there is no understanding, but i was surprised by the rotation mechanisms in the cabinet of ministers, which were presented as just great luck, we appointed more effective managers, dear, the matrix does not work, the management model does not work, management crisis. we can replace at least 95% of ministers, one chair for another, some

managers from banking to kadmin, from kadmin to banking, well, i’m sorry, it’s simple arithmetic, here it’s a very simple formula, it doesn’t give a tangible result, it gives effect there for a short period of several months, when the appointed officials try to show the results of their work, but it also leads to disadvantages, because these officials have to enter the course. business, we need an overload of principles, an overload of principles, and we need to build on these principles, on new principles, including the team in the executive branch and change, change the system of attitudes , relationships, relationships between the government , the bank and the verkhovna rada, therefore that we we see that the mechanism does not work, as a result , the decisions are very deplorable, and you know, when i see another institution on television... "let's put at least 10 hryvnias on the card, because there are problems at the front, and they really

are, and it is really necessary to reset, and at this very time i see billions of hryvnias being thrown to the right and left, but i recently read, you know, the reconstruction of the building of justice, which stood as a long-standing building for 20 years, the last one, what is it for, dear, what is the senseless construction for, for why hundreds of kilometers of paving stones"? i'm sorry, v the government has a tool, yes i am talking about local spending now, not the executive, you have a treasury tool, please stop the ridiculous payments, you have a management mechanism. you just don't know how to manage, that's another reason, this is a colossal problem, that's why we're talking about it now so that the citizens understand, and the authorities begin to understand that our problem is not that, we'll move pawns from the white cell there, on the chessboard, on there on another cell, the question is not in this, the question is not in games, not in

changers, the question is that we need to strengthen as much as possible, and this is a question of our survival, we need to ... but squeeze every penny and direct it holistically so that it works effectively for the army, when we are talking about wires, drones, ammunition, well , here we don't need to hope for the west, we need to strengthen ourselves as much as possible, because the task of the authorities is to prepare for the worst scenarios, and by the way, they can literally happen in the coming months, i mean for our western allies, when there are enough serious threats that... the aid can be stopped, well, at least we have no guarantees that the aid will be at least at the level of the 24th year. so you say that you paid attention to the meetings, yes, when it comes to the fact that there is a need for something at the front, let's talk about it, and actually under the guise that somehow more money needs to be attracted, not only by increasing taxes, but also economic reservation, and we already

know that the government has some concept and wants to move away from such a model, when... to close, the enterprise is considered important, and take into account the criticality of a particular employee. do you know a little more about this initiative, how realistic it is, how much it is really planned to be implemented, and actually, whether it will lead to even more corruption, because then everyone will be on their own and will try to somehow take care of it , to get this place, this status of a critical employee with a good salary that can be confirmed every month. for fundraising, i want to emphasize once again, for drones, people, a lot of things, a lot things, you need to reset, you need to help, you need to scan the qr code on your screen, you need to help the army, this is a matter of survival, but at the same time, please come to the mayor, ask him specific questions, at the same time,

come to the office ministers and ask the government about the waste of money during the war. it is necessary to press for the government to work more efficiently, this is a must. regarding the reservation, i do not like the discussion that is going on, and it would actually be very good if this discussion was was conducted honestly from the government platform, because many deputies are simply speculating on this topic, or, well, i see deputies, you know, who have not proven themselves either as managers or as politicians before their political career, their deputyship. and now they are thinking about the fate of the state, thinking in categories that they simply do not understand, this is a problem, because when we talk about economic reservation, it is not only a question of the fact that some head of the msek in khmelnytskyi took bribes of millions of dollars, the question in another the question is that without a thought-out

economic reservation, it should be, it should be, but... if we screw up under us, the hetman's company offers there that everyone who pays a salary has the opportunity to ban themselves, well, i mean about the high salary there of 30-35-40 thousand hryvnias, i'm sorry, we will then divide society, we will then divide society into rich and poor, and then we will have a category of poor who fight and rich who are bought off, and it is necessary for those who expresses such very categorical. i have on attention to hetmantsev's group, you need to think about the risks that this can lead to, including the social risk, if society is divided according to this category, i don't want to scare you, but you always need to assess the risks, well, i'm sorry, you don't need to turn it on intuition, you need to order

focus groups from sociologists, you need to understand what citizens think and understand what consequences this can lead to: you need to order several analytical studies from independent centers that will calculate for you, order from western centers that will calculate on the example of other countries . i i personally see that there are risks, well, i look at it as a historian, i look at historical parallels, but i believe that dividing society into the categories of the poor and the rich, those who can pay, well, we understand very well that it will not be the wrong ones hi, not only those highly paid employees, without whom the economy will not survive, it will be just people who have cash, who will buy themselves official employment there and will simply pay, you can't stab society, society needs to be reformed. otherwise the risks can be significant and unpredictable. mr. oleksii, although you say that the institutions and the system do not function, and the reshuffling of terms between the office

and the cabinet does not even give 90% results, but with the stubbornness of the hedgehogs from the anecdote , messages continue to appear specifically about the defense and power bloc, that is, they only had time from the headquarters intelligence say and no one will move our budanov, forbes again gives information that both defense minister omirov and budanov are the candidates for exit. well, if you add this informational component to the practically daily new attacks from maryana bezuglai on all generals, starting from the chief of staff of the armed forces and, as they say, to the right and to the left, i would like to understand what kind of center of influence you are in our country, which is... constantly destroying the defense component of our government from the inside, well, actually, to mr.

budanov's department has many questions, but these questions are not for gurus, not for intelligence officers, not for the military and not for the head of intelligence. the issue is that many of our western partners believe that gur has too much authority, so they wonder why the head of intelligence can be... how much active in the public sphere, why does gur have much greater powers there, say, special operations forces there, much less there, and the law on special operations forces has not been signed to this day, that is, questions arise, at least i read about them in the columns of western publications, but i am personally there, as a citizen, it is very difficult for me to evaluate mr. butanov's informational statements, because coffee in crimea, you know, we can laugh like that. speak, but on the other hand, it was, maybe it was part of an information special operation, maybe it was this story that had to be brought to the russians in exactly this form, so be very

careful with assessments, but budanov really has a serious enough influence today, a big enough authority, but there is one trouble, one huge problem: budanov is the bearer of the rating, and i don’t want rely on concrete data, but really there... the data confirm that under any scenario of the elections, budanov's conditional political party will surely pass to the ukrainian parliament, that is its biggest problem. do you want to say, mr. oleksiy, that the syndrome of when you have a high rating - this is a sign that you will definitely be multiplied by zero, this also applies to budanov, but i am talking about a much broader attack on our military and the general staff, and in this case as well. well, the stake is being set, meanwhile, there are always informational and political attacks on all participants in military and strategic planning, in particular, that is, there must be some

center that corrects all these informational attacks every day. despite everything, always in power, under any powerful team, a large number of such, i would say, small people work, well, some are engaged in peer-to-peer technologies, think about elections, others think about the image of their leader, and there are many such people at the level, at the government level, at the banking level, and in the parliament and everything else. such people, as a rule, they always have an influence on the formation of the information agenda, and therefore it is quite natural that now they also exist, they work, these various groups, and they try to exercise pr activity for their departments there, for their managers and much more. and different groups have their own different interests, that is, someone may have struggle, let's say over the issue of public procurement, well, public procurement, especially

for the army in wartime, is an opportunity to make a fortune quickly, someone has an interest in sending someone off, but here it must be headed by its chief executive, who will strictly restore order and in information, in the information sphere to stop. attacks in any other, say, an attack on an attack on the head of the main intelligence agency, well, we understand that it could have been stopped on the same day, but we did not need that in the last few days, i have been reading american and european publications discussing in detail the issue, the issue of budanov, who can replace, why the attack took place and so on, i apologize, one tape on the official page of the internet representative office of the bank, social network is enough to say that e- turn on a cold mind, stop, stop the attack, budanov is one of the most successful leaders, and that's it, and

the attack stops. completely, or vice versa, if there are intentions to dismiss, say clearly that the issue is being studied, we create commissions, we are looking for the issue of effective, effective deployment in the military environment and so on, that is, it could have been stopped, but obviously we continue to live, you know, as in the 21st year, when we are left with informational throws, let's throw in information, see the reaction of society , then we will make a decision, or whatever it was. let's throw in the information, society will digest it for a month or two, get used to this idea, and then we will come up with a beautiful excuse to shoot, well, games, they need to be stopped, because they make the government weaker, you know, we may like or not like the president, we may like or not like the government, like or not like the monomajority of the supreme power, the verkhovna rada, but we are all interested as citizens to the government

remained trusted. not 20-30%, but a high level of trust, because this is trust in power institutions, it is very important during the war, this is trust in mobilization processes, in increasing the tax burden, in anything else, trust should be both high and the authorities must understand this, because trust in them is not a question of their ratings, not a question of their personal indicators, it is a trifle, you need to forget about it, it is a question of trust in power institutions. and in fact, it is very difficult with this trust now, especially after such cases, when whole carpets are laid here, with currency, when mixtures simply fly from the balcony with huge sums, just to get rid of the evidence, and now we will hear that look, we are working , we detect, prosecute, then check the lists of evaders, msek and so on further, and on the other hand, why do such things still

happen... so, is it not known to anyone, is it so that some one person can take some one leader and arbitrarily act like that, and no one will know anything about it, and we were not surprised that it turned out to be a deputy of the servant of the people at the khmelnytskyi regional level, krupa, and accordingly, you are no longer surprised that sashko's son from the pension fund, too, collected millions with one word for what... oksana says here somehow, we have two more minutes, mr. oleksiy. yes, you know, in i was surprised by this story, the comments in social networks from my acquaintances, my friends, those people i know. someone wrote there that in this huge pile of money there is some money that was paid as a bribe by his sister, who really had a real disability there, to which it was necessary to prove, but there you will not do without a few hundred dollars, even if you are

seriously ill there , cancer patients even pay, there is another example, when this same khmelnytskyi msek, a cancer patient soldier was sent to the dnipro in order for him to go according to some reference in a humiliating format, that is, you understand, the whole region knew that they were making money there, that they were making huge rates there, obviously a system of division existed, and a clear system of money from the district centers to kyiv also existed, and there was no reaction, and now there was the reaction of the authorities is important. in order for the leadership of the regional ministry of internal affairs, not just one manager, and perhaps even a vertical, the leadership of the regional state bureau of investigation, other law enforcement officers involved in the issue of control, they are responsible should be, and not only at the level of the region, because we know that this system is deeply corrupt, so please, there should be an initiative from the authorities, the reform of this system to... not

manual reform, temporary measures that will allow to control even somehow, well , believe me, we can count on our fingers what control measures there may be, even during the broadcast, unfortunately, mr. oleksiy, we don't have time for that anymore, we have to say goodbye, thank you for the clarifications we received from you , thank you for the analysis, oleksiy koshel was from by us, doctor of historical sciences, head of the committee of voters of ukraine, and now, as they say, is the time for news that in kyiv, how kyiv survived stabbings, how a dagger attack, i am sure, khrystyna parubiy will tell, in a few seconds, khrystyna, we give you the floor. thank you, colleagues, yes, we will start from kyiv, and we will also talk about the situation at the front and the losses of the enemy, don't miss it in a moment.