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damaged property, apartments, houses that need to be rebuilt, about the situation with reconstruction in different regions of ukraine, about the rights, opportunities and personal experience of people. this is what olga's house looked like last year, and this is what it looks like now. i am not spending money at the moment. about how to unite the country in the process of recovery in the project of the urban reconstruction and development program. every saturday at 18:30 at espresso. while we were on break, and you informed us, the meeting of our prime minister with robert fico, this is the prime minister of slovakia, this is the same prime minister who said that while he is in office, while he is in power, ukraine will not join nato, this is the same fico who said so on the eve of this meeting, says , this is all a bad event. wants ukraine to continue
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fighting with russia in order to bring it to its knees, i don’t know, that is, we were just asking what should be answered as israelis, after such statements from personagrat, meanwhile, we conduct a dialogue culturally, without violence, we will now also talk about cultural dialogue, not even a simple one cultural, and a forum of cultural offensive, for this we invited serhiy. the head of the analytical center, the department of the content analysis center, we are in the studio, good day, glory to ukraine, glory to the hero, good day, yes, you can have a cultural conversation with such people, we just took fitza as an example, we didn’t know that will happen, i think that culturally it is possible to talk to everyone, but certainly defending our interests and understanding where is the limit to which you can maintain a cultural attitude, but remember the good slovak writer? he kept this one
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border, took a sniper rifle, eased the situation for six months, i think, in any case, fitso is not the person who will decide whether ukraine will be in nato or not, so of course, he can voice some notes from moscow, but if a decision will be made in washington and in berlin, then i think that fizo will do something like orban, when the decision was made to start negotiations on joining the eu, he went to drink coffee, remember? somewhere else, so i think they took him out for coffee, well , they took him out, but scholz actually persuaded him to go for coffee, so i think that the fito is actually respect to slovakia, but the role of the fiz in this story is something like this, well, in a word , he will get drunk on blood, and then he will drink it all down with coffee and give peace, but actually let 's return to our cultural offensive, we know that tomorrow you will go straight to kyiv actually for this event, and what is the most important thing for us now, the third? the year of the war is coming to an end, and on
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the cultural front, what is there? well, really, the day after tomorrow in kyiv there will be a forum called cult-offensive, and already from its name, from its title we can understand that it will be about forming certain political, legal, and economic conditions for ukraine to have the opportunity to actively develop its cultural product, and firstly, to fill our ukrainian space with it, and secondly, in reality. a certain expansion outwards as well, i.e. to be present also at least in the european cultural space, because we must, for sure, realize the key thing that the war that is going on now is a war primarily for our identity, that is, it is a question of whether we are ukrainians or we are russians, that is, russia is doing everything to make us russians, that is to de-ukrainize, to convince that we are russians, or as a transitional phase there are some kakhlychs and little russians, and accordingly our task... is
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to preserve our ukrainian identity, but we know very well that you can never win simply by defending yourself, so you can preserve keep your gates dry, but you'll never win, no less. 0:0 will always be, and i look at the program in a lot of panels and a lot of iconic people will be participants in these conversations, and you press the manifesto button to understand your cultural offensive will outwardly or internally, and there is not yet, they say , wait, the manifesto will be announced there on wednesday, but on the website you can briefly see some theses, 51 more minutes, because there is such a timer here and it shows that there is still a little time, actually tell me. more outside the borders, outside the perimeter of ukraine, or inside, because we have lice in petlyurivskyi, you remember, but no less than the enemies at the front, in fact both there and there, that is, these should be parallel processes in order to encourage and create conditions for
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product formation here, completely displace everything russian from here that harms us, and secondly, we can't just come to the outside and say, let's cancel it, everywhere in berlin, vienna, paris. russians, because, of course, you can say this for two years, but it can get boring and it won’t work, so we need to offer an interesting ukraine, we have 30 or 40 million people there, i don’t know, now demographers should already say, but we are a nation that can to be next to spain, france, germany, present in space, therefore it is necessary to work both there and there, and actually, therefore and including representatives of the authorities, the minister of culture, the authorized representative of language protection, will be at the forum to jointly talk about such things. political and legal conditions, that is, what we can offer today in the third year of the war, that is, not only cancel russia, cancel the russians, say what to tell, what they are doing, what we can surprise enough to
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attract again to attention, so that it gets into the first columns, well, i am convinced, first of all, we can make visible, visible our heritage, which over the centuries developed, which even the ukrainians themselves have until now. they don't know yet, we only discover it over the years, make it visible to foreigners, secondly, part of our heritage, which is considered russian, because the russians have always appropriated to themselves to prove that it is ukrainian heritage, and the third culture is such a phenomenon , when you create the conditions, it grows into something completely unpredictable, that's what creativity is, and it cannot be rationally described, so when the conditions are created, it will give rise to a number of such phenomena that will be interesting, including for of europe and our victories, it seems to me, at the eurovision song contest, in other important competitions, they also testify to the fact that we, our potential is very powerful, and we are very interesting, so it is impossible to create conditions, to provide it with resources, i.e. money, during the war, give everything to the army, to culture -
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no, this is a war for identity, that is why it is a harmful narrative, which is also fueled by the enemy, finance only the army, culture will wait, culture will not wait, because russian culture in return. .. will fill our youtube, our tiktok, our instagram, our tv, radio, etc., so what, that's why the economic conditions must also be ensured, the cult of the offensive is actually about this. but you have, for example, you are also going to be a participant, and do you have any of your own, for example, personal vision, how to solve this, yes, i will give you one example and only from european countries, and they are our allies, and yes and they help a lot, i'm talking about france, for example. and how will you work in france, if their russophilism has its roots since napoleonic times, multiplied by white guardism and other imperial discourse, on the leftism of the french, which without
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batting an eye will ascribe everything there, but russian baroque music by bortnyanskyi and wedel, they calmly perceive it as russian, and... not our yes, queen anne, that is, they perceive it as a constant, this as a common denominator for them, nothing knocks them out, historians can give them a thousand facts, but it does not change their muscophilism in any way, your tactics, there is such a thing in fact, it is what is present in france, in italy it can also be observed, there there are also such russophile sentiments, well, i am convinced that it is necessary here therefore... to help resourcefully, we have a diaspora there in france, i had the opportunity to visit paris and rome a year ago, and we spoke with local journalists and representatives of the ukrainian diaspora, both the old one and those who moved after 22- th year, well , first of all, they need to be helped organizationally, because they essentially operate there
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as very weak networks against the powerful infrastructure of the russian world, which is really built there at the level of the church, at the level of the media, at the level of cultural institutions. ballet, bolshoi theater and so on, so help financially, we have created a ukrainian institute that is supposed to deal with this, but unfortunately, those branches of it that were created in berlin, if i am not mistaken, precisely in france, they are not financed by the ukrainian state, they are financed by grants, well and why doesn't the ukrainian state invest, well, big funds, so funding, secondly, after all, narratives are something that i am convinced can change over the course of 10-20 years, that is, the picture in the media is already changing a little, they are interested, for example , our cultural heritage, they are reviewing again your attitudes about whether this writer is or not? a ukrainian or russian artist, for example, rypin, ilya rypin, is sometimes being
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reinterpreted as a ukrainian artist and so on. therefore, these processes that russia has been creating for two centuries, at least, we cannot change in two years, but the cult-offensive, it should be calculated for the next two centuries, yes, or at least for the next two decades, let's plan, let's start do, and in 10-20 years. everyone will already look at us differently than i do as an unexpected nation of unexpected nations, which suddenly surprises everyone by surprise, and as a powerful nation that has been neighboring them for centuries, and which was simply kept in a cage, so in the dark and all its products were attributed to themselves, so the russians, the russians, well, actually what you are talking about, which is already beginning to be understood in some places, it concerns mostly rather narrow ones. strata of the population, a few, yes, who is interested, who is in the topic, to whom a given field, whether it is ballet or something else
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is interesting, but for the general public it all remains, it is all ours, it remains russians, it was not for nothing that they once brought from ukrainian museums, from ukrainian churches, all the artifacts, everything they knew, including the relics of saints , to russia, so that they could tell stories later, and it is preserved in us, and this is evidence that everything it came from russia that we are this... this cradle, and kyiv belongs to us, and we do not belong to kyiv, and isn't this one of the reasons why this concept is being considered now, that it is possible, in the west they sometimes offer that it is possible to partially abandon our temporarily occupied territories, that it is possible to abandon donbas, they say disputed territories, disputed issues, does this cultural aspect actually affect what they propose, for example, to take ukraine into nato, in pieces, that is, take it like that. the fact that stoltenberg has now declared that it is possible with the occupied territories, well, it is easy for him to say now, but while he was in office,
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he didn't say that, did he? well, it seems to me that stoltenberg has expressed something similar before, that is, it was stoltenberg, i think, who was in favor of hosting ukraine there in the future, at least. and if we talk about these cultural prejudices, then i i remember in the 14th year, when crimea was annexed, many people perceived it that way, that he was russian anyway, that is, the fact that he... is ukrainian, well, they raised a big question, yes, under great doubt, and that referendum, which was organized under the muzzles of machine guns, it was also perceived, perhaps, as an expression of will, so not entirely pure, but allegedly an expression of will of the local residents, so yes, this cultural history that russia has been creating for centuries, this myth about the russian crimea, the russian city of sevastopol, it is indisputable influenced as for donetsk region and luhansk region, probably in 14-15 years, too. and for a while this story worked, well, they say, not everything is so clear-cut, now
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it is undeniable, when it comes to the occupation of kherson oblast and zaporizhzhia, when this topic is covered more, it seems to me that these cultural prejudices still play a role the second secondary role, the primary role is now played, probably, by the desire, firstly, of part of the world elites to stop this war, so that it will be possible again... as in the good old days time to trade with russia and in general, so that there is no topic that constantly prevents the development of some business interests, and the second is probably the stereotype about invincible russia, so trump constantly repeats it, they defeated napoleon, they defeated hitler, they say this is such a power against which it is impossible to give advice, yes, and although who lost the cold war, and who lost the russo-japanese war, who lost the crimean war, and... you see, you yourself have just entered into what i wanted to ask you, yes peculiar, such schizophrenic scissors, because
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even unesco can take and say, borscht is the cultural heritage of ukraine, and any historian can come and show that all russian victories, this, their glorious varyak, are complete defeats, and even the second world war divide into armies and see. what was the contribution of ukrainians in particular, right? as well as others, and in this case i am talking about price shops, look, that is, there is the truth of the story, but there is a parallel to that, but literally yesterday... i was surprised that they once again went to a restaurant somewhere in order to eat here in st. petersburg, you know cia officers to fesbshniks came to bring them the same delicious pies and dumplings, you understand, i’m talking about these parallel realities, you give them at least a stone on the head of silence, at least any historical facts in the form of, i don’t know, through movies or just in academically
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from historians, and it doesn't work at this grassroots base level. no, as they say, as pirogy russki, then pirogy russki, ugh, pirogy russki, and in poland that's what they call varenyky, but here you have to understand that by the word russian, they mean exactly ukrainians, and now try the french one to say that by the word russian he means ukrainians, well, he means that they have been called ruthenians for a long time, we know that, so russian pies are exactly ukrainian, but here it really is, when there is no distinction in european languages ​​between russian and and russian and... russian, russian is also russian with a soft sign, then it really takes 15 minutes to explain it, no less, but you are correct, yes, these are things that are embedded somewhere in the subconscious from school in their societies, and here is a study again by the ukrainian institute about
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how history is taught in european countries and what place ukraine occupies there, well, it's just almost zero, so that is... they know about russia, about ukraine there are sometimes cossacks there, something here and there, well, in short, ukrainians are there several times so casually happen, it is also necessary, that is, to change their educational programs, and that too, and how can you do that, how can you, i don’t know, force teaching theory in norwegian schools, and this must be done at the same time, our minister of education, again after all, who goes into a cult-offensive, which does not sit on apologize to his chair and... he doesn't see anything beyond his office, he goes, goes to norway or invites the norwegian minister of education, talks to him: look what you have, we analyzed your textbook: it's cool, it's great, but sorry , there is not much ukraine there, or it is shown as a colony of russia, but here it will not be like that, well, look, you will not drag the austrian minister here and say, look, you have
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a monument to frank there, and tell how the cossacks defended vienna from the city here. we, for example, are on our way to the eu, for example, do you remember the topic was a joint textbook on history with russia, well, that is, when there is political will, tabachnyk pushed it, yes, and now, why can’t our minister of education go to vienna for coffee before, but tabachnyk in a joint textbook, it was just the russian world is packaged in the ukrainian language, so a joint textbook was not published, only a russian textbook was published in the ukrainian language, of course, but i think that reviewing, for example, the presence of ukraine in their... textbooks is, well, it is quite possible, if we point it out to them for certain moments, which, in our opinion, are not covered in them, yes or some accents, why not, this is a discussion, textbooks are written, they are rewritten every few years, re-approved, added, supplemented, modified, so this is a completely normal story, but if we return to our political history , well, i am always surprised, for example, by such
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terms as, for example, they want to offer us the german option, yes, that is, after the second world war... let's repeat the german republic, yes option, here are two points that really bother me they will laugh: the first moment, it was still the gdr, after all, it was german democratic , it did not have a bourgeois system, but built a socialist one, but still there were germans who called themselves germans, who continued to speak german, we understand that it was under the russian boot, but it was still a german state. that some kind of ukrainian or eastern ukrainian, i don't know workers' or socialist republic, was created on the occupied territories, no, we have territories that russia has already called russian, included in its constitution, and cleaned everything ukrainian, and cleaned it, and in two generations it will be new kuban, bunov kurshchyna, yes, that is, there will be roots, some ukrainian roots, but they will fertilize their people there, and that we will
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postpone it for two generations, and then apologize , well, the train has already left, and the second moment, well, okay, then the german democratic republic was left alone for 40 years, but let's remember what it was under control, it was under the control of the ussr, which was an ally of the usa and britain, who was the winner of the second world war, that is, there the nazis did not take aim, yes, that is, it was not the aggressor, the nazis paid off and decided not to finish them off, no, the aggressor, the one who started the second world war, and together with the ussr, but still for the west. europe's key aggressor was nazi germany, they finished him off, that is, they decided to finish him off, and now they are offering us, let's leave the russian aggressor alone, under his control. let's leave part of the territory of ukraine and continue to live with it, yes, culturally, what you have already started talking about, what do they want, how about this conditional division of ukraine to be settled by someone, this
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the same concept with crimea was offered to us, let's wait there for 30-40 years, and then we will see how people will vote, we are now talking, we are now talking about proposing changes in history textbooks to the french, germans or other nations, but... but then what kind of textbooks should there be, so that those people have a real vision of this history and understand who they are, where they come from and can make a decision, that is, how to fight it, even the cultural attack on the west, but we still have to realize all this in ourselves, so definitely, by the way, this is an important topic, so actually, unfortunately, we are not very interested in the people in the occupied territories, we are somehow suspicious of them. that's what we already think, well, probably all the patriots have left, and there are most likely collaborators or russians, that is, we have such a prejudice formed willy-nilly, and there is even a study, in my opinion,
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by the media detector that we have a share in the ukrainian media, the share of materials about the occupied territories is somewhere equal to 1%, although the occupied territories are 20% of the territory of ukraine, that is, if proportionally, then we should write a little more about them, but we write about cotton there like this, we are happy that there , of course, which... is being destroyed, but i can intervene here, because actually not only the sample of wool, but all the explosions that sometimes happen there , some deaths or, i don't know, the undermining of railways, it's actually not the collaborators who do it, it 's the people who continue to feel connected to ukraine and feel, yes, these are the ukrainians who are in much more dangerous conditions , than we live here in lviv, let's say and ready for such things, it's worth remembering, yes, so thank you for listening. remarks, that is, we don't talk about these territories as often as we should, and of course that our cultural influence there, there is very limited, so yes, we
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need, i think, we just need to remind our partners, remind , i think that this is being done, but we must not stop doing it, that after all, this war must end with the restoration of a just peace, that is, with the restoration of sovereignty over crimea and four regions of ukraine, because in 20 years, the conversation will be... it will be completely different, the train will leave, and it will already be too late, so no compromises, no trading of territories, and in the end about nato, well, again, you rightly said here, stoltenberg said, well, there was a summit two months ago nato, so where was the statement from washington, where was there no statement from berlin, that is, the financial times pretended something like this, something like that, there are no confirmations now that we really won’t even be accepted into nato, i thought to myself that... god, so that on your panels in the actual forum of cultural offensive clear and effective mechanisms were developed to make it really work, because you are talking
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about new textbooks, and i am afraid, the main thing is that they should not be written for the french by those who make crimea, draw on maps in russian, and then go to the lutsk region, remember, i also want this product and this counterattack to be effective and effective, so what will you tell us after the form is finished? thank you for being with us. serhii stukanov, the head of the analytical department of the content analysis center, was in the studio of the tv channel, and roman and i were too. with that, we say goodbye, we leave you in the hands of our colleagues for a few minutes of news, then there will be a lot of interesting information, take care, we wish you a peaceful and safe day and see you later, of course. do you want to wake up as if you were a child with your grandmother, full of
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