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events, want to understand how our today will affect our tomorrow, watch the saturday political club, every saturday on espresso. greetings to you, friends, to all viewers of the espresso tv channel, a new week, and we... we begin our two hours, well, we will begin with the fact that another attack took place on our country, we saw that in the morning daggers were flying again, shahedi, so the new week, you know, traditionally for our country begins with shelling from the occupying state of russia, we will talk about this and about many other things of course, let's start with you with a traditional survey, a survey, today

one of the main topics of our program is actually the possible accession of ukraine to nato, international observers and experts are talking about this , they are also talking about it in ukraine, official officials are also talking about it representatives of nato, in particular the new secretary general of the north atlantic alliance, so of course we are asking you today whether you consider it possible to join nato before the liberation of the occupied territories of ukraine, traditionally. we offer you two answers: yes or no, if yes then you can vote 0800 211 381, if you think no - 0800 211 382, ​​just a reminder, all your calls are absolutely free, either from phones or from your smartphones, so join our poll , at the end of the current hour we will draw up the interim results, at the end of the next hour we will draw up the final results, so please be active, and as i already

announced, we will start, of course, with the issue of the security of our country, the issues of that we have a full-scale invasion going on, the war continues and the shelling of our country continues almost daily. ihor romanenko, founder of the charity fund we will close the sky of ukraine, lieutenant general, former deputy chief of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine. mr. igor, we are pleased to welcome you to the espresso tv channel and novy tzhden program. glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes, i congratulate you. mr. igor, perhaps we will start with another act of terror against our country. this morning, three dagger missiles from mig-31k bombers were again fired over our country. russia tried hit kiev and starokostyantynov, according to the order. according to the data of our air force,

two missiles were shot down, one missile hit in khmelnytskyi, and in general, we have been observing how many for many days and weeks, probably during the last two months, even more, there are nightly attacks by drones, unmanned aerial vehicles, such as shahet and not only by shahed, in your opinion, here is this air terror, what it shows and... and why right now russia has resorted to such, one might say, a daily act of terror against our country, night terror, i will emphasize here, and again about the dagger missiles, actually, why exactly now and what do you think the russians wanted to attack in ukraine, well, you asked a question and almost answered it, the possibilities. are growing in

the russians from the point of view of air attack means, this applies, therefore, related to... the fact that they are scaling up the production of drones, and those that come from iran, they are helped by this state, and those that they they themselves produce in qatar, but also in other places, and thanks to this they have the opportunity to strike unmanned aerial vehicles, dozens, in addition to... in this, that the impact is daily, that means they are accumulating their weapons missiles, it is noted strategic bombers of the aviation, such as the tu-95 ms,

that means the tu-22 m3, aviation, bombers, and also went to sea for a long time , there were not such a number of ships and the possibility of launching up to 48 caliber missiles, that is, it is very similar to the fact that they are preparing a more massive strike and the use not only means unmanned attack vehicles, but also not only impact, they they use their soldiers, who already produce all the enterprises that we discussed with you and use them as accounts payable. drones, strike drones, as well as remote drones, the so-called dead- target drones, due to their large number, they overstrain our anti-aircraft system, make it difficult for the staff of all

air defense systems to destroy these drones. mr. igor, but if you and i are talking about plans, you said that russia is preparing for larger -scale attacks, in fact, such large-scale full-scale attacks and the simultaneous use of the entire range of air weapons, they have not been since either august 26 or , if i am not mistaken, september 4, when lviv was hit, and the cold period is approaching at an equally rapid pace, the period when will it actually be the heating season already, or do you think the russians are still preparing massive attacks in terms of energy structure, and when , approximately, again in your opinion should we expect these massive strikes that you

talked about, including the use of caliber missiles , in order to organize the event the formation of e... a massive air strike , the means they have actually already accumulated , taking into account the pause that exists, now the question is how they will use this potential of missiles on the shahedny, i would say so, we remember the mass strikes on the 26th , for example, when there were more than 100 drones and missiles, a large number used. and the question is how these means of striking will be distributed, that is, the launch of a missile from, well, actually the iskander missile, which is adapted to the mik-31k aircraft, and that is why this already has its name

the missile is like a dagger, and due to the fact that it is used from this plane, it becomes hypersonic, that is, its speed increases. five strokes of the speed of sound on the flight path, although during the stage, the flight speed is reduced, and therefore, by the way, it is necessary to pay attention, those who follow this situation in the fight in the air, which was actually lowered for the first time, the destruction of the qinjao missile over kyiv this, well, for this day. two such missiles exactly on the flight path, where its speed was more than five machs, i.e. it was hypersonic, about that the russians said that at the present time it is impossible to solve it with the means we have, because before that the destruction took place at

the final stage, this implies that the means of the missile complex, or the action itself, should be directly near the object. cover, where the speed decreases, if there is a greater probability of destruction, here it is an achievement of anti-missile defense, the defense forces of ukraine, that two missiles out of three. which passed through the anti-missile defense system over kyiv and precisely on those sections of the trajectory where they had a very high speed. i would also like to you can also talk about the operational situation in the eastern and southern directions. british intelligence in september 24 recorded. a record of average daily losses of the russian military, occupation forces,

1271 people killed and wounded, the previous such record was in may, at the same time we observe that almost every day, according to the data of various sources, we can refer to the same deep state resource, which every of the day demonstrates that the russian troops are advancing, if we speak for the current day and... for the current week, where now the most the russians are concentrating, what is their priority for advancement in the near future, mr. igor? the defense of ukraine was defeated by the offensive impulse and the attack on pokrovsk, then the enemy had to regroup, and because they met a counterattack, ours were brought up to three. herds in this direction, one way or another they will make offensive actions directly on

pokrovsk, that is why they were reformatted and the emphasis of the offensive was on kurakhova and on wublidar, unfortunately, wublidar was already captured, and there they are advancing to the north from it, in order not to allow our defenders to gain a foothold on the second line, in addition , they are operating in the northern direction ot... along this line, kurakhova's uglidar and the final goal is pokrovsk, but by the way, heavy battles are going on here around silidov, where that means from three sides, they have already covered this city, and also the battles in the center of the city are being fought along taretsk, i.e. there, a difficult situation, a high intensity of fighting, i.e.... only the enemy did not manage to move forward to capture pokrovsk, they chose

an approach of such an operational kind of action that to enter it from two sides, i.e. from the south, it was characterized, from the south from uglidar to kurakhov and from the direction to pokrovsk, also to enter from the northern direction, but pokrovsk is central because... it opens up relevant prospects, so at the moment it is one direction, in addition, they are concentrating their forces and resources in the zaporizhzhia direction, where last year the battles were fought, we managed to free the territories in the direction of work on the vleima ledge, which means that they are conducting offensive actions, training and concentration there one's strength, means. in addition, they are striking with guided bombs directly on zaporizhzhia, that is,

such an offensive formation is being formed in the direction of zaporizhzhia, and it is generally clear that they want, let's say, to capture regional centers again, they did their part with kherson at the beginning of the war, as we remember , our defense forces recaptured this regional center. and for putin it is important and fundamental to reach such regional centers there in the direction of kharkiv, sumy, zaporizhzhia, dnipro, and that is why appropriate plans are being formed, means are being concentrated, that is , they no longer have the strength to advance in all directions at the same time due to the loss of equipment and the availability of ammunition, as well as the loss of propulsive strength, but on the contrary. in separate directions, they are allowed to do this, they

concentrate there and continue offensive actions. the kursk operation, the armed forces of ukraine have been receiving a bridgehead in the kursk region for almost two months, along the border with our country, along the border with the sumy region, and in particular volodymyr zelenskyi, the president of ukraine. missed the first two months of the actual stay of the defense forces at this bridgehead, let's listen to what the president of ukraine said about kursk. operations, today is two months of our military operations in the kurdish region, and this is a very important stage of the war, something that has greatly helped and continues to help our state, the ukrainians have proven that they can wipe out the war in russia, and with sufficient support from our partners, we will be able to put pressure on russia just

as it is necessary to make russia feel that the war will not give them anything. mr. igor, what do we currently have in the kursk direction in the kursk region? if you look in general, then from one side, we are not moving particularly, on the other hand, the russians are also not moving, although, nevertheless, certain shifts are so local. how do you assess the current situation of the defense forces in kursk oblast, what are the prospects for all this, should we move on or not? still, are there any possible other options for staying in these territories? in kurshchyna, the defense forces of ukraine are conducting an active mobile operation, but the enemy has formed a fairly powerful group of troops, about 45,000 mechanized

units of the elite, as they say units, arrived there marine infantry, airborne troops, and this enabled them to organize four-by-two offensives from the north, one from the west, one from the east, and one from the south from the southeast direction, thanks to this kind of action by her... enemy forces we managed to take control of about ten settlements, the most we saw was speed and advance eastward, in addition, they broke through the so-called climbing corridors in some directions, for example, in the grouping that was limited by the diet and our troops in

the area of ​​miytkino and glushkov. and this is the second month, it must be said that thanks to this kind of actions on the part of the enemy, they managed to partially, let's say, take control of those territories that were, that is, controlled by our defense forces, and in total from 1300 km2, those that are on the first stage we managed to liberate,

now it is controlled according to various estimates, well, somewhere... up to 750 km, this indicates that the enemy partially managed to advance and reduce the controlled territory, and such battles are going on, which means that the mobility moves from defense to offensive and is active mobile defense is exactly what is being done including offensive actions in the directions we talked about. perspective, well, there is, so at the end of the first stage, we managed to form a buffer zone, that is, in that territory, around the strait, where at one time the russians received such a military hap, that is, the forces and means were concentrated there, which later acted on the kharkiv , in

the direction of sumy, and from a military point of view we need to keep it, because to pay attention to... the launch, from whence the unmanned attack vehicles are launched, the russians, one of them is launch, here, that's why here for the happiness that we had not reached, they are used to strike the objects of the defense forces of ukraine and ukraine as a whole, they must be contained, and we have the appropriate asset for the possible, perhaps. of the negotiation process, unfortunately, in fact, we have only one of them, and it is important to receive it in order to be able to enter these negotiations from stronger... positions, which are already increasingly pushing our including

our allies, if at the end, one more small topic, the armed forces of ukraine struck in temporarily occupied crimea, we watched in the morning how another oil depot was burning in occupied feodosia. mr. igor, how effective are the strikes on the occupied peninsula and, in principle, on the territory, on the territory of russia, and should we expect an intensification of such strikes by the armed forces of ukraine on russian territory in the near future? to what extent can we perform this kind of striking task. on military facilities on russian territory, but it is clear that we lack the corresponding tools, and here and there in addition to drones, the combat unit, most of which is

50 kg, is a small, necessary missile weapon that carries an order of magnitude higher power of the combat unit and performs a correspondingly deeper task. in terms of striking objects, that is, er, objects are struck, which are related to the fallout materials, which are related to the airfields where the carriers of the same cabins are based, for example, and the enterprises that manufacture or repair there weapons, enemy equipment, all this is required by the objective laws of war, and we do it in due time the second world war is ours... this is how the same british and americans organized hostilities, and no matter how much some of our allies like it now, it definitely affects the reduction

of the potential of the russian armed forces, and for us it it is fundamentally important, that is why we use our means on the territory of russia, well, here there is an opportunity to beat atakamsyami and stomshedov and skybano. mr. igor. we are sincerely grateful to you for joining the espresso tv channel and the new week program. ihor romanenko, founder of the charitable foundation protect the sky of ukraine, lieutenant general, former deputy chief of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine. i will remind you about our survey, whether you think it is possible to join nato, before the liberation of the occupied territories. you can pick up s... phones or smartphones absolutely free of charge and choose the answer option, if you think yes, vote 0800 211 381, if not - 0800 211 382.

i emphasize once again, all calls are absolutely free, so join in and we'll summarize already at the end of this hour the first results. we are already moving on and will discuss the plan victories and actually all. plans, all possible meetings that will take place in the current week. oleksandr palii, historian, political scientist, is now in direct contact with us. mr. oleksandr, good evening, glad to see you. i congratulate you. so, mr. oleksandr, we will probably start with the victory plan presented by the president of ukraine volodymyr zelensky this week, in the new week. scholz, starmer and macron will meet in berlin, ramstein-25 will take place there, this, you see, is an anniversary, anniversary number, actually, if

we talk about this meeting, let's let's listen to what mr. zelenskyi says about it, and then we will proceed to the discussion, and everything that is indicated in the plan is absolutely realistic for our partners. there is this resource in the world, the resource of strengthening, which will allow us to move forward according to the formula of peace. this is precisely our goal, our task - to guarantee ukraine reliable peace, long-term security, this is possible exclusively on the basis of international law and without any trade in sovereignty or trade in territories, exactly as provided by the peace formula. so, sir. oleksandr, what can we really expect from such a meeting, first of all, i emphasize, is really real, because it is clear that our expectations are the same, but at the end, what do you,

you still ... predict will be the result and what will ukraine get? eh, well, i think that there will be deliveries of new weapons to be burned, because ceramstein, this is at the highest level, at the level of heads of state, it has practically never happened , so i think that it will not be so easy, just sit and to talk, most likely there will be some result, precisely in the context of supplies, because strictly speaking, this profile, profile field reinstein, in addition... in addition, the thing that is very important to us now is to secure the allocation of 50 billion dollars as soon as possible to the seized russian assets, because we do not know how the financing will be next year, we only know that the european union allocates funds, is going to continue, but how will it be involved. at

the moment, we cannot predict anything, of course, and that is why i think that this is a story with a solution to the issues of the essence, this is also an important time, well, but the main thing is weapons, long-range weapons, which will allow ukraine to mainly solve the issue of the bombarded territories with the er, well, the artillery there has already become, thanks to the activity on the kurshchyna, in some areas it has become easier, however, with drones, there are problems again, well, but, this is a war, and if we are talking about long-range weapons, that is, about the possibility of using it on the territory of russia, it is clear that this was, this is most likely one of the points of the victory plan

of mr. zelenskyi, about this... they talked a lot, probably for many weeks, and even more than one month, should we expect any decisions here, or should we rather wait until november 5 and some decisions will be made already after the presidential elections in the usa. well, i hope that some of the most key decisions will be made before the presidential elections, because america is a democracy, well, for now, at least we don't know. what will happen as a result, so of course we need to solve these issues as soon as possible, well, i think that there will certainly be consultations about nato, about rapprochement with nato, because at all recently, the president spoke and visited the secretary general of nato, and they all together talk about some possibilities of ukraine's rapid rapprochement with nato, so i think that

this... option cannot be ruled out either, although there are countries in nato such as hungary and slovakia , who now in fact, well , russia's forwards are also included, play the role of russian agents, their leadership. and yet, if we talk more about the north atlantic alliance, this is also the main topic, probably in the ukrainian information space and in the western press, well, in particular, the newspaper the washington post. writes that certain new steps are expected at the meeting of the allies, which you actually mentioned, in the ramshtein format, specifically in support of ukraine, in particular with regard to its north atlantic integration. however, according to the publication, according to the publication, during the conference in germany, zelensky may be offered some other help, since he did not achieve the cancellation of missile restrictions, well, in particular, you also said that. if we talk about... other publications

in the foreign press, many write that as of now there is no consensus in the united states states of america, nor in the federal republic of germany, regarding ukraine's accession to the north atlantic alliance. what formula can there be or what variants of the formula of this accelerated entry should we expect, given the fact that it is really unlikely that we... in the current year and in the near future will become a full member of the north atlantic alliance, but still have something to offer that it can to be, what will be the mechanism for supporting ukraine? well , now there are various showers and discussions about the fact that...