tentatively, are they just you know, a roving marquee, or are they going to represent someone's specific signature there? certainly, because abramovych deals with this, he is assigned to deal with it, he pulls these people up, it is specifically abramovych and the persons connected with him who deals with it, that is, it is a number of sharp-looking officials who are connected in this sense, probably surkov is also involved in this the relationship, again, they are talking about it, it is both similar

and beneficial for the negotiation process to take place and for putin not to fall completely. we have talked about this many times because they are afraid of chaos, vacuum, which may arise in connection with the defeat of putin. and it is not clear who will take his place, there is no predicted person. they are probably working on this issue, but they are not ready to take too fast and reactive actions to achieve the result, according to the same plan of victory, because it will lead to chaotic consequences in russia itself. and they will think about it. more globally for a long distance, therefore no one will go to a simple ceasefire, but at the same time they will not give up interaction and attempts to find a compromise in order to this peaceful negotiation process to begin. he saw each other in qatar and now stopped due to the beginning of the operation of the armed forces of ukraine in kursk oblast at the beginning of august. again, we seem to proceed from this insider information and rumors that the press published. i suppose there could have been some consultation in katra, why not? could be, another question is what are the consequences of

this kind of initiative, if this is a public negotiation process, then the parameters on which these negotiations will be conducted should be determined. the ukrainian side, as and the international community, proposed a formula for peace: international law, an understanding of international security. we all know what it is, respect for sovereignty, territorial integrity of the country and so on. what china even in its 12 principles last year,... in 2013 published and declared about the commitment of the first principle to international law, its recognition and respect, and since the bases are not defined, the dispute continues that where are the red lines, so to speak, geopolitical realities, the law of force, you understand, they are discussing the right of force, and moscow cannot prove its primacy in this matter, it has not demonstrated this right of force, but if kyiv were taken, then of course one could talk about the right of force, the force of law won. in this case, we are dealing with

brazen blackmail, which is not justified. they will reach kyiv in 100 years, if they will be helped, but this is not a fact. and at this time, the zsu will reach moscow from the kurt region. i exaggerate, but in reality it is impossible to start negotiations, because two competing principles: the right of force and international law. until this is agreed upon , it is impossible to sit down at the negotiating table. thank you mark for this extremely interesting and honest. conversation, i want to remind our tv viewers that mark fegin, a member of the russian opposition to emigration, a former member of the state duma, and a famous video blogger, was currently working on spresso. thank you mark, thank you. lakalut fix reliably fixes, did my dentist advise me? yes, and reduces gum inflammation. and the price is good, economical. lacalufix. there are discounts on citramone

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lukasz adamskyi, deputy director of the mirushevsky center, an expert on the polish language, will be working on the espresso broadcast. of ukrainian cooperation, polish historian. welcome, mr. lukasz, to espresso. good day. well, an extremely irritating, difficult question. exhumations in volyn. we understand how much political weight this public and media issue has acquired. well, in general , the discussion moved to the ethical plane. yes, we understand that there are now signals that this case may be resolved in the near future. months, so your assessment of the current current situation? it seems to me that there is a real chance that the matter will be resolved within a few months, and probably we will receive the first such optimistic signals, let's say in the coming weeks,

i think that everyone in ukraine understands, everyone in the government, that november 1 is for the poles the date of the holiday is very important. occupied, that is, that he would agree to the exhumation of the victims of the ukrainian army and, incidentally, others conflicts that took place on the territory of modern ukraine in the past, only when in poland, the table on

the mountains of the monastery will be visible in such, such a form that it had before its destruction, and on the other hand , we have a camp of those who believe that... there is no point in compromising with the poles for now, until the table is restored, that is , there is a dispute between the two cases, the permits for the exhumation of the murdered poles and the dispute about the content of the tablet on the mountain monastery and those , who believe that it is necessary to depend, because because if ukraine advances here, there will be some kind of armadegan and...

the issue of permits for polish institutions that want to search here and then bury the bones

of people who once were, actually, and here is an extremely important point, so did you mention the poles who died or something killed in volyn, but we understand that ukrainians were also killed, and if we are talking about exhumation, well, we understand that this story cannot be divided when we talk about technical points, such as gumming up, joint polish-ukrainian. a certain institution that would deal with exhumations so that there would be no later complaints or reproaches, for example, from the ukrainian side that this is how the poles worked without us, and from the polish side that, for example, ukrainian exhumers worked in certain areas, in general, what is the prospect of historians, this is a question of the relevant bodies, which will be engaged in the study in the proper way, according to the proper procedure. remains or the remains of human bodies, just like that, and exactly, i would say, exchanged between the ukrainian

institute of national memory, that is, the main institution that has the authority to those sensitive questions, for example, the questioners and eskumas of victims of wars and repression, and with the polish institute of national memory, which, accordingly , has in poland yes...

it would be worthwhile to remove a certain responsibility from the shoulders of historians, yes, because here we are

talking about exhumation, i.e. it is about certain investigative procedures, that is, the results of which must be recorded, and we understand that this case could possibly move from its place in its practical aspect, if a suitable, i don't know, joint institution would appear, or if governments were authorized , from the minister's offices. for example, poland and ukraine, which could undertake the regulation of relevant problems related to national legislation, we understand that the legislation is also in ukraine. and in poland it is extremely rich, yes, but we have to move quite quickly, well, this could be the proposal that you anton proposed, as one of the ways to get out of this impasse, in any case, then it would also be necessary to adapt the ukrainian and polish legislation to those

new circumstances, or or simply in the end agree not to...

we need as few statements as possible, as many cases as possible, except for volyn. there is, for example, the question of the sagrada and the corresponding places of memory on the territory of poland, yes, where possible, it would also be worthwhile to carry out appropriate exhumation works, well, if we start this process in volyn, then we should not limit ourselves only to ukraine, yes corresponding tragic pages, which are also localized in

poland, what to do with that? absolutely yes, and i will even say that unlike volyn and... i will be the first to convince polish society that those ukrainians should be excommunicated. instead, i repeat, as far as i know, in poland even members of the upa have their own graves, there is only a dispute

about what should be the content of the inscriptions on the tikhiv o gora monastery and the corresponding, corresponding table, mr. director, as we understand, the restoration of the table involves the restoration of the text that was... on the destroyed tablet, what are the prospects of the fallen monastery on the mountain being properly commemorated, is there, do you see the light at the end of the tunnel? well i see because regardless that there are doubts as to whether the persons, whose names were on the table, or someone else were actually buried there on this mountain, the monastery, but there is an understanding that it was a mistake on the polish side to restore... this memorial the table in a different form, so as not to restore this part where there were surnames, i believe that it should be restored,

instead, due to emotional escalation, it seems that now there is such a conviction that ukraine should say for the first time that there are no obstacles, to search out all the people who would like to do this, and to do a search. on volyn in galicia, and then we will return to the question of the table in the monastery, and ukraine believes the opposite, so here the question is whether it is worth it, whether it is advisable, whether it is politically reasonable to make these two matters dependent, whether it is not worth it, well, the key story, if there would be an appropriate polish-ukrainian body that would take care of such matters, at least what concerns the resolution of technical issues, permits, conversations with representatives of local administrations, local. self-government in poland and ukraine, well, i think that the matter would have gone much faster, well, but to what extent is important, if we are talking now about the last meeting of the minister of foreign affairs

of ukraine sybigy with the polish minister of foreign affairs sikorsky, then we understand that it was not only about this, i think that there are also a number of so -called difficult problems that must be solved as soon as possible , how about that? as far as i know, to the minister of gas, to president dudia.

ukraine, but of course there is support, the main polish goal in relations is to support ukraine during the war with the russian aggressor and help ukraine become a member of the eu, it was accordingly the second, third place, and the poles want it very much, but they are in the first place now... that is

why politicians cannot, you see, somehow ignore this issue, and many ukrainians in ukraine believe that this is the dependence, let's say, of the future of europe the future of ukraine from solving disputes with a historical background, but this is some kind of blackmail on the part of poland, this is hygiene behavior, as one of the polish politicians said, for example,

and we need to get him out of this corkscrew now, so that he does not crash, but if poland will to block the european integration of ukraine, which seems unlikely to me, but i cannot completely rule out this option either, but that would also be a tragedy. thank you, dear mr. director, for this extremely important conversation on the air of the tv channel, i want to

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