but from a survey, a traditional survey, today one of the main topics of our program is actually the possible accession of ukraine to nato, international observers and experts are talking about it, they are talking about it in ukraine, official representatives of nato are also talking about it, in particular the new secretary general of the north atlantic alliance, so of course we are asking you today whether you think it is possible to join nato . liberation of the occupied territories of ukraine. traditionally, we offer you two answers: yes or no, if yes, then you can vote 0800 211381, if you think not, 0800 211382, i remind you, all your calls are absolutely free, either from phones or from your smartphones, so join our poll, at the end of the current hour we will tally up the interim results , at the end of the next... final, so please be

active, and as i already announced, we will of course start with the issue of the security of our country, the issue of the fact that we are under a full-scale invasion, the war is ongoing, and the almost daily shelling of our country ihor romanenko, founder of the charity fund we will close the sky of ukraine, lieutenant general, former deputy chief of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine. mr. igor, we are glad to welcome you. i guess we'll start with another act of terror against our country. this morning , three dagger missiles were fired at our country again from mig 31k bombers. russia tried to hit kiev and starokost, according to the data

of our air force, two missiles were shot down, one missile hit khmelnytskyi, well and in general we observe how much already for many days and weeks, probably for the last two months, even more, there are nightly attacks by drones, unmanned aerial vehicles, the shahed type, and not only the shahed, in your opinion, this is this ... aerial terror, what it indicates, and why right now russia resorted to such, one might say, a daily act of terror against our country, night terror, i will emphasize here, and again about dagger missiles, actually, why right now and what do you think the russians wanted to attack in ukraine, well, you asked a question and that's almost it answered the russians' capabilities are growing from

the point of view of means of air attack, this refers to manifestations related to the fact that they are scaling up the production of unmanned attack vehicles, and those that come in early, this state helps them, and those that they themselves . in qatar, but also in other places, and thanks to this, they have the opportunity to strike with unmanned aerial vehicles, dozens, in addition, due to the fact that the impact is daily, it means that they are accumulating their missile weapons, there is a concentration of strategic ...

aviation bombers, such as the tu95 ms, uh, that means the tu-22 m3, long-range aviation, bombers, and also went to sea, there have not been such a number for a long time, ee ships and the ability to launch up to 48 caliber missiles, that is, very similar to the fact that they are preparing a more massive blow and not only. that means unmanned attack drones, and not only attack drones, they use their drones, which are already produced by all the enterprises that we discussed with you, and use them as reconnaissance drones, attack drones, as well as drones pretending to be so-called, which is a remote target, due to the large number, they are overloading our system.

mr. igor, but if you and i are talking about plans, you said that russia is preparing for more large-scale attacks, in fact such large-scale attacks, full-scale and the simultaneous use of the entire spectrum of air weapons, they have not been either since august 26 or since on the fourth, if i'm not mistaken, in september, when they hit lviv, well, just like that... at what pace is the cold period approaching, that is, the period when it will actually be heating season, do you think the russians are still preparing massive attacks on energy infrastructure and when, roughly when, again do you think we should expect these

massive strikes that you talked about, including the use of caliber missiles, in order to to organize. carrying out the formation of a massive air strike, the means they have actually already accumulated, taking into account the pause that exists, now the question is how they will use this potential of missiles on a shachedny basis, i would say so, we remember a massive strike on the 26th, for example, when there were more than a hundred drones and missiles. a large number of them applied and the question of how these means of striking will be distributed, that is, the launch of a missile from means, well, actually the iskander missile, which is adapted to the mik-31k aircraft, and that is why

this missile is already called a dagger, and due to the fact that it is used this way, it becomes hypersonic, that is... its speed becomes more than five times the speed of sound per flight path, although during the final during the flight stage, its speed decreases, and therefore those who monitor this situation in the air fight should pay attention to the fact that for the first time a dagger missile was brought down and destroyed in... kiev, this, well, during this day, two such missiles, precisely on the flight path, where its speed was more than five machs, that is, it was hypersonic, about the fact that the russians said that at the moment it was impossible to solve it with the means we have, because before that

the destruction took place at the final stage, it assumes that the means to take down the missile complex pet should be... directly near the object of cover, where the speed decreases, if there is a greater probability of destruction, here it is an achievement of the anti-missile defense of the defense forces of ukraine, that two missiles from three daggers were destroyed in a trajectory that passed through the anti-missile defense system over kyiv , and precisely to those sections of the trajectory where they had a very high speed. i would also like to talk to you about the operational situation in the eastern and southern directions, the intelligence of great britain set a new record in september 24 average daily losses of the russian military,

occupation forces, 1271 people killed and wounded, the previous such record was in may, at the same time we observe that... almost every day, according to different data, you can refer to the same deep state resource , which shows every day that russian troops are advancing. if we talk about the current day and the current week, where are the russians most concentrated, what is their priority in terms of advancement in the near future, mr. igor? shot down for the defense forces of ukraine offensive momentum and the offensive on pokrovsk, then the enemy had to regroup, and because they met bilsich, our three brigades were brought there in this direction, one way or another

they slowed down the offensive actions directly on pokrovsk, so they were reformed and the emphasis of the offensive was on kurakhova and on carbon unfortunately, uglidar has already been captured, and there they are advancing to the north of it in order to prevent our defenders from gaining a foothold on the friendly line, in addition... they are operating in the northern direction along this lines of uglidar kurakhova and the final goal is still pokrovsk, but so to speak, there are heavy battles going on around silidovat from three sides , they have already covered this city, and also the battles in the center of the city are being fought along taretsk, that is , there, a difficult situation, a large and ... the value of launching hostilities, i.e., since the enemy did not succeed on the move, if

they were to advance to capture pokrovsk, they chose an approach of such an operational type of action as to enter it from two sides, that is, from the south we characterized everything, from the south - it is from uglidar kurakhov and further the direction to pokrovsk, also to threaten from the northern direction and... pokrovsk is central, as it opens up relevant prospects, so at the moment this is one direction, in addition, they are concentrating their forces and means in the zaporizhia direction, where in the past fighting took place last year, we managed to liberate the territories in the direction of robotin, in the leymi salient, which means that they are conducting offensive actions there, training with... the mediation of their forces and means, in addition, they are striking with air

bomb controls directly on zaporizhzhia, that is, in in the direction of zaporizhzhia, such an offensive formation is forming, and it is generally clear that they want, let's say, to capture the regional centers again, they did all the battles with kherson at the beginning of the war, as we remember, our... defense forces recaptured this regional center, and for putin it is important and in principle, everything has already reached such regional centers there in the direction of kharkiv, sumy, zaporizhzhia, dnipro, and therefore appropriate plans are being formed, means are being concentrated, that is, they no longer have the strength to advance in all directions at the same time due to the costs, armament of equipment and availability of ammunition, as well as loss of manpower, but they manage to do it separately in separate directions, they

concentrate there and continue offensive actions. the kursk operation, the armed forces of ukraine have been receiving a bridgehead in kurshchyna, along the border with our country, along the border with sumy region, for almost two months now. volodymyr zelenskyi, the president of ukraine , summed up the first two months, the actual stay of the defense forces at this bridgehead, let's listen to what the president of ukraine said. regarding the kurdish operation, today two months of our military operations in the kurdish region, and this is a very important stage of the war, something that significantly helped and continues to help our state, the ukrainians proved that... they can press the war on russia, and with sufficient support from our partners, we will be able to press russia

precisely as it is necessary to make russia feel that the war will not give them anything. mr. igor, what do we have now in the kurdish direction in kursk region? if you look at it in general, on the one hand, we are not moving much, on the other hand, the russians are not moving either. although, nevertheless, certain shifts are so local. how do you assess the current situation of the defense forces in kursk oblast, what are the prospects for all of this, should we continue to stay, or should we still consider some, possibly other, options for staying in these territories? in kursk, the defense forces of ukraine are conducting active mobile defense exercises. but the enemy formed a fairly powerful grouping

of troops of about 45 thousand units , elite mechanized units, as they say, units of the marines, airborne troops, and this enabled them to organize offensive actions in four directions, two from the north, one from the west, and so on. to the east and one from the south from the south-east direction due. with this kind of action, the enemy forces managed to take control of about ten settlements, the most we saw was speed and advance east, in addition, they made so-called eastern corridors in some directions, for example, to the grouping that was

limited by the diet and our troops in the area between metyotkinami and... klushkov, and here is our west of a new tactical-level group, crossing the border and moving forward to glushkov and to snakhasti, but it has not yet been possible to achieve, let's say, the capture of these settlements, because there, too, they managed to organize a corresponding defense, and the enemy's actions are ongoing. in general, in the second stage, this is the second month, it must be said that thanks to this kind of actions on the part of the enemy, they managed to partially, let's say, take control of those territories that were, that is, controlled by our defense forces, and a total of 1300 km2, those,

which we managed to liberate at the first stage, and now... it is controlled according to various estimates, well, somewhere up to 750 km, this indicates that the enemy has partially managed to advance through the reduced controlled territory, and such battles are taking place, which means that the mobility is moving from defense to offensive and active mobile defense indicates that offensive actions are being carried out, including offensive actions in... the direction we talked about, the prospect, well, there is, so at the end of the first stage we managed to form a buffer zone, and that territory around the straits, where at one time the russians did not receive such a military hub, that is, the forces and means were concentrated there, which

then operated in the kharkiv, sumy direction, and from a military point of view, we need to... maintain this, because we need to pay attention to the launch, from where the unmanned attack vehicles are launched, the russians, one of them is a launch, that's why here, for the happiness that we had not reached, they use it to strike the objects of the defense forces of ukraine and ukraine as a whole, they must be contained, and we have a corresponding asset for... possible, possibly negotiable process, unfortunately, we actually only have one, and it is important to receive it in order to be able to enter these negotiations from a stronger position, which are already increasingly pushing us,

including our allies , if - near the end, one more small topic: the armed forces of ukraine struck the temporarily occupied crimea, we watched in the morning how another oil depot was burning in the occupied feodosia. to what extent now, mr. igor, are there effective strikes against the occupied peninsula and, in principle, against territory on the territory of russia, and should we expect an intensification of such strikes by the armed forces of ukraine on russian territory in the near future. to what extent can we carry out this kind of task, striking a military object on russian territory, but it is clear that we do not have enough tools, and here

we need, in addition to drones, a combat unit, most of which are 50 kg, and this is not. .. a small missile weapon is needed, which carries an order of magnitude higher power of the combat unit and perform a correspondingly deeper task in relation to impression of objects, what it means that strikes are made on objects that relate to fallout materials, that relate to airfields where the carriers of the same calamities are based, for example, and enterprises that produce or repair the enemy's weapons there, all this requires objective laws of war, and we do it in our own. to some of our allies,

but this definitely affects the fact that the potential of the russian armed forces decreases, and it is fundamentally important for us, therefore, on the territory of russia, we use our means, well, here there is an opportunity to strike with attackers and... mr. igor, we are sincerely grateful to you for joining the espresso tv channel and the new week program, igor romanenko, founder of the protect the sky of ukraine charitable fund, lieutenant general, former deputy chief of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine. i will remind you about our survey, do you think the liberation of the occupied territories is free, you can take your cell phones or smartphones absolutely free of charge and choose the answer option, if you think yes, vote 0800 211 381, if not - 0800 211 382. again

i emphasize, all calls are absolutely free, so join us and at the end of this hour we will summarize the first results, we will move on and discuss the plan to win, actually all... plans all possible meetings that will take place this week. oleksandr palii, historian, political scientist, is now in direct contact with us. mr. oleksandr, good evening, glad to see you. i congratulate you. and so, mr. oleksandr, we will probably start with the victory plan presented by the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi at the current week, in the new week. scholz, starmer and macron will meet in berlin, there will be rammstein-25, you see, an anniversary, an anniversary number, actually, if

we talk about this meeting, let's listen to what mr. zelensky says about it, and then we will proceed to the discussion, and everything indicated in the plan is absolutely real for our partners. there is this resource in the world, the resource of strengthening, which will allow us to move forward according to the formula of peace. this is precisely our goal, our task - to guarantee ukraine reliable peace, long-term security, it is possible solely on the basis of international law and without any trade in sovereignty or trade in territories, exactly as provided for in the peace formula. so, sir. oleksandr, what can we realistically expect from such a meeting, first of all, i emphasize, really realistic, because it is clear that our expectations are the same, but at the end, what do you

predict will be the result and what will ukraine get? well, i think that there will be deliveries of new weapons to be burned, because this is rammstein, it is at the highest level, at the level of heads of state, it has practically never happened before, so i don't think it will. simply, just sit and talk, most likely there will be some result, precisely in the context of supplies, because strictly speaking, this is arenstein's profile, profile area. in addition, a very important thing for us right now is to secure the allocation of 50 billion dollars in seized russian assets as soon as possible, because we do not know how the financing will be next year... we only know that the european union, well, allocates funds, is going to continue , but how the states will join,

but for now we cannot predict for sure we can, of course, and that's why i think that this story is purely about solving issues, this will also be an important time, well, but the main thing is weapons, and... long-range weapons that will allow ukraine to solve mainly the issue of areas under attack and with the artillery there, thanks to the activities on the kurshchyna, it has become easier in some areas, although there are problems with drones again, well, this is war. if we are talking about long-range weapons, that is, about the possibility of using them on the territory of russia, it is clear that it was, it is, most likely one of the points of mr.

zelensky's victory plan, about this... they talked a lot, probably for many weeks, and even more than one month, should we expect any decisions here, or should we rather wait until november 5 and there will be some decisions adopted already after the presidential elections in the usa. well, i hope that some of the most key decisions will be made before the presidential elections, because america is a democracy, well, for now, at least we don't know. what will be the result, so of course we need to solve these issues as soon as possible, well, me i think that there will probably be consultations about nato, about rapprochement with nato, because very recently the president spoke and visited the secretary general of nato, and they are all together talking about some possibilities of rapid rapprochement of ukraine with nato, so i

think that this... option cannot be ruled out either, although there are countries in nato such as hungary and slovakia, which now in fact, well , russia's forwards are also included, play the role of russian agents, their leadership. and yet, if we talk more about the north atlantic alliance, this is also the main topic, apparently, both in the ukrainian information space and in the western press, well, in particular, the washington post newspaper. writes that certain new steps are expected at the meeting of the allies, which you actually mentioned, in the ramshtein format, specifically in support of ukraine, in particular with regard to its north atlantic integration. however, according to the publication, during the conference in germany, zelenskyi may be offered some other help, since he did not achieve the abolition of missile restrictions, well, in particular, you are talking about this also said if we talk about... other

publications in the foreign press, many people write that as of now there is no consensus either in the united states of america or in the federal republic of germany regarding ukraine's accession to the north atlantic alliance. what formula can there be or what variants of the formula of this accelerated entry should we expect, given the fact that it is really unlikely that we will become a full-fledged member of the north atlantic alliance this year and in the near future, and still have something to offer have, what can it be, what will be the mechanism for supporting ukraine? well , now there are various showers and discussions about the fact that ukraine can join nato with those territories that are currently under the control

of ukraine. that is, for nato to clearly control these territories, and in the event of an attack on these territories, on the free territories of ukraine, nato would respond accordingly, as in the case of an attack on its own member. that is, such a partial accession to nato. we cannot say whether this is profitable for ukraine at the moment, it may be profitable, but it is will depend on the results of the american elections. but in general it is certainly better. by that time, by the time of joining nato, to directly liberate as much of the territory of ukraine as possible, that is, these discussions have been going on for a long time, by the way, i myself once participated in them a long time ago, when we talked about the possibility of joining ukraine to nato, well, along the borders, which were determined by the demarcation line, which was determined by the minsk agreements, there was such an idea to join

nato then, of course. what if we did that then most likely if we were taken there, most likely there would not be such a full-scale attack by russia, that's a matter of course, well, most likely the most likely, but uh, well, now there are, besides long-range weapons, there are other important things that it can do the west, well, first of all, to invest large sums of money in the ukrainian defense industry, to give certain technological ones. solution, in addition, the united states, france, and britain have bombs, and they are similar to the russian cabs, which fly there at 100, a little further than the russian cabs, and in principle, if they were to be supplied en masse to ukraine, for our f-16s and for our other aircraft, still of soviet production, then of course it would seriously affect the situation on the battlefield.