there was such an idea to join nato then. of course, if we had done it then, most likely, they would have taken us there. most likely , there was no such full-scale attack by russia. this is an understandable matter, well, most likely the most likely. but, uh, well, now, in addition to long-range weapons, there are other important things that the west can do, well, first of all, invest large sums of money in ukrainian defense. word of mouth to give certain technological solutions, in addition, the united states, france, and britain have bombs, and this type of analogue of the russian cabs that fly there on 100, a little further than the russian cabs, and in principle, if they were to be supplied en masse to ukraine for our f-16s and for our other aircraft, still of soviet production, then of course it would seriously affect the situation on the field. well

, some generals, some experts, military, generals, first of all practical, they say that if we had a sufficient number of aviation and these western cabs, yes, during last year's summer counteroffensive, the situation would have developed completely differently than it developed when ukraine was forced to to work, in fact, under the air dominance of russia, so i think that there are such possibilities. to allocate funds for ukrainian missiles, there are such possibilities, to build drones, what is holland talking about, now it has recently allocated 400 million euros for all these things, for the construction of drones, there are other possibilities, there are possibilities for these bombs, cabs, the americans seem to be there now , well, judging by their, by their orders, their military-industrial... complex, they very

closely began to deal with those analogues of their cabs, and if they have something very it will happen quickly, then it is clear that this can have a very serious impact on the situation, that is , in fact then, then ukrainians will not be sitting under these russian cabs, but at least on one side and on the other side, and maybe vice versa, it is possible that the russians therefore , i think that... well, we will be able to hear about the specifics only by the consequences, but if we still talk about nato and return to this topic, to the possible accession of ukraine to nato, then we have a small problem with communication with mr. oleksandr, so in general, if we let's continue this conversation. in principle, there is really

a discussion going on right now about which formula to choose or which plan to choose for possible support of ukraine from nato. we understand that the accession to nato is a rather long process, taking into account the fact that each member country needs to ratify ukraine's accession to the north atlantic alliance in its own parliament, and this means that you understand, slovakia. hungary, maybe some other countries will either be against or take a certain neutral position. in the end, we don't know a clear position, even now of the united states of america and germany, are they still ready to include ukraine in the north atlantic alliance, or are they still ready to provide some limited support actually within the framework of bilateral agreements, or conventionally speaking, formulas when ukraine. will be

a candidate for nato membership, that is, according to the information in the western press, there are various types of showers, which we also talked about, now we are really considering various options and various answers to this question. mr. alexander, coming back to us live , so mr. alexander, basically, let's discuss one more topic now, it concerns ukraine. and slovakia, today there was a meeting of the heads of government of two states, in particular, not of two states, i apologize, but of the heads of government, yes, and actually, if we are talking about this action plan that was signed between the two countries, if we are talking about mr. fico's statements , who says that he does not see ukraine joining nato for now, but still... believes that

ukraine should be a member of the european union, well, in principle, all fico's latest statements, they are quite controversial, as far as you can see now... change the state of slovakia, or rather the government of slovakia as a certain obstacle for the north atlantic integration of our country, well, in principle, as a state that today very often voices precisely russian narratives, and most importantly, whether should we now try to reach mr. fizo, somehow change his point of view? it is necessary to understand that in hungary and in slovakia. to the fact that russian agents are in power, and the russian proxies are essentially standing up, trying to us, to actually put a knife in the back when

ukraine is carrying out its heroic struggle, therefore it is necessary to understand that at the same time these countries are very small, together with hungary. and slovakia is only 3% of the population of the european union, i.e. together these two countries, i.e. these are micro-countries, which due to their various dependencies on russia, they are trying to hinder us, so to speak, but what can we do about this, we must to understand what to decide when the question becomes to be decided. direct accession to nato, then we will need to pursue it some decision from these countries, but it is not known how it will be there at that time, whether these politicians will still be in power or not, whether they will change their opinion in a completely different way, and so on, how

the parliaments will vote there, it is also unknown, in short, roughly speaking, until the very moment of directly making the decision on admission, our opinion is theirs, well, theirs. by and large, ukraine's opinion is not interesting, because we know what kind of people they are and who is behind them, we are interested in economic, well, trade through slovakia, to take place, and that's why we pretend that, which now says what orbán says, and tries.

read to the espresso tv channel, for your thoughts oleksandr paliy, historian and political scientist, was just on the air. i remind you about our survey, by the way, in the context of what we just talked about with mr. oleksandr, about the possible hypothetical accession of ukraine to the north atlantic alliance, do you think it is possible to join nato before the liberation of the occupied territories. of ukraine, if so - 0800 211 381, if not, 08021382. all your calls from your phones or smartphones are absolutely free, so please vote, very soon we will tally up the intermediate results. we

continue, and we continue with an equally resonant topic, which resonates with many citizens of our country, which is disturbing. citizens of our country, this is the topic of poland itself, poland is now raising the volyn issue again, we will talk about it with volodymyr vyatrovych, people's deputy of ukraine, member of the ovr committee on humanitarian and information policy, historian, mr. volodymyr, i am glad to see you, kind evening, good evening, mr. volodymyr, i have already announced what we are talking about let's just say... the polish government actually makes ukraine's european integration aspirations dependent on the volyn issue, for example we see the statements of the head of the polish peasant party psl, in

polish, władysław koseniak kamysh in an interview with the publication, vyadomoshchi, he actually says the following , let's see now, i'm not changing my mind. although i see that everything is different with president duda: ukraine will not join the european union, i will not agree if the issue of the volyn tragedy is not resolved, anti-ukrainian sentiments will grow if the government will not... solve the case of the volyn tragedy, says mr. vladyslav, again, the head of one of the parties, which today is de facto in the coalition. at the same time, the ukrainian institute of national remembrance plans to include work on the search and exhumation of the remains of poles in the rivne region in 2025 , responding to the relevant requests of polish citizens. head of the ukrainian institute of national remembrance anton. drobovych asked the government for 1 million uah for a separate program for search operations as part of the exhumation of the victims

of the volyn tragedy. well, actually mr sikorskyi, the head of the ministry of foreign affairs of the republic of poland , also commented on the conflict with volodymyr zelenskyi over the actual volyn tragedy during their meeting in september on the air of polish radio, foreign media wrote about it. zmi, let's listen. was there really a conflict when you spoke with him a few weeks ago, as journalist vitol tyuras described? i can really ask aruba's question. was there a conflict? let's look at their actions. well, you see, mr. volodymyr, these are the reactions. and this, by the way we still took such a small number of all the statements that are available today from officials, namely

the republic of poland, not just from individual politicians, not just from citizens or some individual organizations, not even from the opposition, that is, from the actual representatives of the polish government, what is happening , why is poland raising this issue right now, m... which would seem to have already been resolved by historians, but today it is so politicized that at such a pace very quickly the relations between ukraine and poland may come to be, well, not quite good ending, well, first of all, you need to understand that this is not happening now, it is happening systematically and consistently, with varying intensity, since about 2003. it was then that for the first time this topic became very political in poland and, in fact, since that time it has never completely

disappeared from the polish political agenda, you know, when the statements of some polish politicians are heard now, that we see in 2022, this issue was not brought up to date, because we it was a pity for the ukrainians after the start of the full-scale invasion, that's not it at all yes, firstly on the 22nd, this issue was raised by the then prime minister morawiecki, secondly, i think that it did not sound so loud not because someone... from polish politicians who are now cynically using it the question of regrets of ukrainians, namely because ukraine was probably more feared then, ukraine was more respected, because then ukraine showed itself to the whole world as a country capable of resisting, capable of liberating even the territories conquered by the russians, it must be understood that polish politicians really politicize this issue as much as possible, as much as possible, they do everything that depends on them, so that this question does not arise in the discussion between historians, because... well, right now it seems to me that there is every reason to talk about a normal, high-quality, perhaps, a normal,

high-quality discussion between historians, taking into account the things that happened in ukraine, the fact that the archives were finally opened in ukraine, we actually started such a very interesting dialogue in the 14th year, there were even five big important meetings, i think that one of the motives of polish politicians is this to stop this dialogue between historians, because unfortunately, for them, this dialogue somewhat... destroyed those myths, stereotypes, ideas about the polish-ukrainian conflict that are very convenient for them now, and which they try to fix in political decisions. we are talking about the unsubstantiated figure of 100,000 killed poles, we are talking about the symbolic day of july 11, when only polish victims are remembered, we are talking about this completely incorrectly from the legal and historical point of view of the definition of genocide, so what is happening now, it's just a continuation of all of them stories, the only thing that now... has happened differently is that the representatives of the civic platform party, the more liberal

wing of the polish government, who have been fiercely criticizing their right -wing opponents for such merciless use of history, have now actually picked up on their rhetoric, i i am honestly surprised that mr. sikorskyi, a person with such pro-ukrainian and pro-european views, is now actually voicing his political opponent mr. kaczynski, speaking almost in his words, as far as... the current minister of defense, then i am certainly not surprised here, because the party of the right, the party storoinytstvo ludova, the silyan party has always flirted with such a right-wing electorate, it seems to me. that now his statements are an attempt to overturn, to move a part of the pis electorate into support. an additional argument regarding the fact that it is only about political points is that those politicians who, polish politicians who, who , in fact, were spokesmen of exactly this approach to history, having lost some of their

political ambitions or the desire to go further into politics suddenly dawned on me, i mean the former minister of foreign affairs jatsik japo. czapotowych, who openly calls poland's current policy a hygiene policy and clearly states that poland is not interested in solving any issues there with exhumations, with searches, because precisely the failure to solve this issue is the source of certain political dividends and, surprisingly, the absolutely correct statement of the current president poland's andrzej dude, who obviously understands that he will no longer be there to apply for a third term, from so calls what is happening absolutely incorrect. on the part of poland, which plays into putin's hand, that's for sure, that's for sure, but i lack some voices of polish politicians who have political influence, who have political ambition in poland in order to stop this madness, which, unfortunately, so far, it is increasing in the neighboring state, but mr. volodymyr, what should we do,

what should be the position of ukraine, of course, i believe that the current position of ukraine is the only correct one, that is, i see no grounds revise it somehow, because i am convinced that any concessions from the ukrainian side will not yield anything, because there were hopes, some ukrainian politicians, especially those who came to power in 2019, were the hopes of my successor, that the whole problem there in these relations between ukraine and poland, which began to deteriorate in the 16th year. peace comes to power, this is the problem of the predecessors, this is poroshenko's problem, this is vyatrovich's problem, we will come and we will be able to understand each other, 10 steps have been taken to meet our polish partners, none of which ended with at least one step from the polish side, hence the fact that now it is being said again that let's maybe still take a step towards a meeting, and even

then in the end at least one of those 15 pro-led monuments ukrainian graves on the territory. of poland will be restored, i think that this is an absolutely naive position, i think that the naive position is the statement of the current head of the ukrainian institute of national remembrance that let's still go to meet the poles and allow search operations to be carried out. i think it's wrong position, which is to turn to the government with a request to allocate a million hryvnias for the search for victims, polish victims of the polish-ukrainian conflict, i would like to hear the same figure, at least for the search for ukrainian victims of this conflict, because i am convinced that... . that unfortunately there are bones of ukrainians on the territory of poland that are not buried, that are not honored by anyone, so if we want some kind of normal relations in the present, it is obvious that it is not even just our right, it is our duty. to require a certain symmetry in these relations, c otherwise, any concessions on our part will be used to

further build up some additional claims, and this will definitely not resolve the misunderstandings between ukraine and poland, but... the easiest thing we should do is obviously to give to understand the ukrainian and polish society that historical questions are those that historians should solve, but it surprises and annoys me when it is considered normal that on the polish side, polish politicians make statements like that until the issue of the volyn tragedy is resolved, how can to be resolved the issue of the volyn tragedy, the volyn tragedy is something that happened dozens of years ago, almost 90 years ago, almost 100 years ago, that is, as we can say, it already happened. happened the way it happened, the only thing we can do is try to understand why it happened, try to understand the scale of what happened, and in the end, if we talk about some political level, then only some moral approach is possible here, which was proposed at one time by john paul ii, of mutual forgiveness if we refuse, as it is proposed by polish politicians for mutual forgiveness, it is undeniable that the attempt to impose on each other some

one-sided assessment of what happened will be in this conflict, it will only provoke new ones. mr. volodymyr, but at the expense of the fact that poland threatens to actually block the movement of ukraine to the european union, do you believe that this can actually happen, that is, we can face not just words, but reality, when poland says: that's it, you you don't join the european union if you don't go there, relatively speaking, to what are these absolutely incomprehensible concessions, political, look, look, we are not talking about... in poland we are talking about specific representatives of specific political forces, if we are talking specifically about the current minister of defense, then it is obvious that we are talking about a representative of the pro-people party , no one knows how long they are for... a partner in poland, a democratic state that this government currently has, no one can be sure,

the power is forever from poland, i think that we need to appeal absolutely to the healthy forces in polish society, in european society regarding the inadmissibility of this kind of historical blackmail, all the more so because, by the way, we have such a very well for... for us and for the whole of europe an example, when one of the states, which is also a candidate for the european union , which tried to make concessions of such a historical nature, but, unfortunately, they turned it into the object of further blackmail, i mean the state that is now called north macedonia, which, under the pressure of greece, was forced to give up the name greba, from its anthem, and now bulgaria has joined the pressure of greece, which demands changes in the constitution, where bulgarians should be named. state-forming nation in north macedonia, so the caveat is that crazy concessions to mindless pressure, politicization

of history by polish politicians, will certainly encourage our other neighbors, i mean primarily our hungarian neighbors, who are also where hungarian politicians are also far from sympathizing with ukraine, from seeing ukraine in the european union, and unfortunately, among them there are many who... to flirt with putin, mr. volodymyr, i would like to talk with you about one more topic, as with the people's deputy of ukraine about the so- called economic reservation, so the deputy minister of economy of ukraine vitaly kindrativ stated at the meeting of the finance committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine that the government had already decided decision, what will be the formula of this economic reservation, but so far they have not decided on the model, but literally leave it to us. for two or three minutes, as far as you consider the correct, correct and model, which the government offers today, and how generally do we need this

economic reservation today? first of all, i have not yet seen this model presented, which is supposedly proposed by the government, but in general i think that the very idea of ​​economic defense is evil, because to turn this war into a war of the poor, that is, that ... civic duty can and should be performed only by those people who do not have enough money, and others can buy off from it, it is very dangerous in fact for the country, because the war which is being waged now, this is a war for the independence of the state, this is a war to preserve us as a nation, and not a war of the poor so that the rich can buy off this war, so i think that these are very, very dangerous ideas, and oh well with them at a time when we have problems. with mobilization at a time when we have problems with the fact that we lack the resources to stop the russian offensive, well, that is to raise, once again, for the russians an additional topic of some kind of

internal social conflict in the country. and will there be votes in the verkhovna rada of ukraine to vote for this model of economic reservation. and one more thing, by the way: will there be votes to vote for these tax changes, historic tax changes. not so two in one issue, i.e. in principle, do people's deputies mostly support such initiatives? it is difficult to say clearly, because this parliament is very not self-sufficient and this parliament is very controlled and there are even some things that can be so, you know, almost political suicide for e politicians who vote for it, but under the pressure of the bank and often they vote for it, i think that it will still be possible to press ee... hall for this decision to be passed, whether it will be possible to do it before the pro economic reservation, here here here i'm less sure, because i think the issue of economic reservation will cause, well, a lot

more disruption than even raising taxes, but unfortunately, i can't say with certainty that it definitely won't happen, because i know, how easily this one breaks, sorry a bloodless parliament, and please tell me, in this case, if it is really necessary to push one or two things, in your opinion, where will the votes be attracted, because we understand that, in principle, there are not enough votes, traditionally without resources , how many 30 or more votes of the so-called opzzh are always at the service of the current government, besides, it is obvious that there are various oligarchic deputies who will bargain for their own material interests. things that are important to them and at the right time, as they always vote for. and well, thank you, mr. volodymyr, for joining the live broadcast of the tv channel and

the program. program new week volodymyr vyatrovych was just with us, people's deputy of ukraine, member of the committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine on humanitarian and information policy and historian. well, we talked, of course, about such an important and irritating topic as the polish issue, that is, the volyn issue, the issue that today poland actually demands from ukraine to make certain concessions, instead of... actually organizing discussion between historians, in principle, this discussion has been going on for a long time, but as they say, it was imported and continued there, because this issue is too politicized, especially at a time when ukraine is fighting the russian aggressor, when people are dying in our country every day, and we need support, we need movement towards the european union, towards nato, and not

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