because north and east and east and west germany were still in military alliances already after the war had taken place, when the allies had already signed all the documents, i how everything would function, and this happened a few years after the end of this war, now this topic is discussed in the context of the hot phase of the war that is taking place between russia and ukraine, well here... another important point is that the parallels, for example, with the german situation, they are not very relevant, since there were two separate states and the gdr, the german well democratic, people's democratic the republic, yes, it, it was actually recognized including by nato countries, that is what is the paradox of the situation, i.e. the athletes of this country took part in all competitions there, it had diplomatic missions there and so on, so, on the one hand, it ... you should

really pay attention to the fact that this topic has become more active, and it is not only stoltenberg, there are many different scenarios appearing in various western publications, i would say more than once that this is absolutely not a new story, similar scenarios are are considered since the second half of the 22nd year, only it was in specialized publications, analytical, expert, er, political science, yes, and now it just came out in the popular media in such a way to the general public, because it has clearly already passed a certain test in the expert . now they also look and measure there public opinion and attitude to all this and so on. for ukraine, it is more possible as an option with japan, if parallels are already drawn, but again, japan is not a member of nato, here is an important point, that is, it has there special status, but it is not a member of nato, and therefore, in any case, if a similar scenario, a similar scenario is adopted, for example, with regard to ukraine, we can imagine it, well, just in case, it will be absolute.

that is, it will be some new story, some new mechanism, some new tools that will be used, and the consequences of this precedent will also be different, because even in order to accept ukraine, for example, with temporarily occupied territories, but accepted not separate territory, the whole country is accepted, this is a very important point, all of ukraine is accepted within the internationally recognized borders, but as stontelberg says, there will be a certain caveat written somewhere about the real border. exists today, all the same nato countries must vote for this idea, and here is the question, will this be the position of hungary, slovakia, the same germany, or, for example, some other countries. so, first of all, in order to really talk about such a scenario, it is necessary to understand whether there is a political consensus within the alliance regarding such a scenario, is the alliance ready to take such steps, realizing that, well, the situation can develop in different ways, i think there is a chance for... some kind of nuclear or other aggression from

russia, in this case it is not even within statistical error, it is less there, i don’t know, a hundredth of a percent, for example, but it is still there, and the analysts, experts who give advice to the real kirmanists in the west, they will take this possibility, this probability into account, so that’s the way it is for now an idea that i think is thrown in order to look at the reaction, firstly, of the nato countries, once, secondly, look at the reaction of ukraine and thirdly, look at the reaction of russia. well, the most important thing in all these scenarios, even if we hypothetically imagine that the west agrees to this, ukraine agrees to this, bloomberg writes that the president of ukraine is gradually changing his position, it is becoming softer there and so on, well, it is so pitchforks on the water are written, but nevertheless, russia remains, for russia, even such an entry of ukraine into nato, i.e. the vast majority of the territory on which the fifth article will be distributed, well, from their point of view, this is an unequivocal defeat for putin, and whether he is ready... to go even for

such a scenario, well, this question is still open, here it is possible, perhaps it is meant that first then it is necessary to force russia to bring it to a state where it will be ready to recognize that history, but then a simple question arises: if we can bring it to such a state, then what will prevent us from exerting ourselves a little more and actually returning all the borders of ukraine as of 1991 ? thank you sir igor, mr. vitaly, how real is this scenario and the implementation of this scenario, well... considering that we see that our western partners, well, are trying to support ukraine, but here is the plan to defeat russia, which i mentioned, in our western there are no partners, well, i have the general impression that we somehow do not understand the whole of putin, because territories are the last thing he is interested in, territories are not important, they are not a priority, they constantly state this, by the way. they are important,

people are important to them, that is, important to them the whole of ukraine, and the existence of the ukrainian nation as such ukrainian statehood in general is called into question, in this way, well, what we... assumed that nato and the entry of some part of ukraine, which is controlled territories into nato, and the nominal entry of the whole of ukraine into in 1991, we will be saved from the continuation of the war with russia, and who will ensure the regime and verify that it is not the regime of observing silence and ceasing fire on the dividing line, that is where we got it from, that this concept, it is... such a key to when to end the war, no, moreover, on the contrary, how in my opinion, nato will find itself in a more difficult situation, regarding what is considered aggression, whether hybrid threats will be considered direct aggression, whether nato will be able to

respond quickly enough, despite the fact that they have a separate opinion of hungary, slovakia and turkey, on the issues of ukraine , for example, will it be... this is dragging out a lot of questions, in my opinion, they are not yet unresolved, these are theoretical models, which for some reason we are discussing as simulacrums, in fact we are still talking about the situation to what extent and when russia will become perhaps, that is, they will accept as the opportunity to sit down behind the walls of negotiations and fix some line where they will undertake the obligation to stop. er, the active phase of hostilities, as for me, so far i do not see such a situation on the field, moreover, not politically, not geopolitically, not geoeconomically, the russian forces also have their point of super-fragility there, but at the moment i do not i see

putin's willingness to speak objectively about any negotiations and freeze, so the possible logic is to create conditions. strengthening of ukraine before the possible negotiations, it really has the right to exist, but to talk about a large framework of negotiations, well, it is still premature, we observe such a negotiation itch among various geopolitical players with their plans, but when we look at the deadlines, about some action plans for implementation, we will see that these are ideas painted with such big strokes, and we will be able to approach this objectively only at the beginning of next year, well, that is, the future of the russian-ukrainian war depends on putin in the current situation, well, that is, on his position, because i yes i understand that our western partners are not

ready to put an end to putin's regime and putin himself, the question is, well, they are definitely not ready yet, yes, the question is the question of ability, our ability to continue the war is the first question, and from this... we can start with the probability of implementation different plans to speak, as far as we are able, we are able to provide the necessary mobilization resources, we will be able to ensure the conduct of hostilities, to what extent this will affect the internal situation in ukraine, will the preservation of the existing inertial scenario lead to internal crises that will simply destroy this capacity and national stability, to the extent that our western partners will be able to support us financially, militarily, i.e. military-technically by providing us with the necessary equipment, ammunition, or whether they are purely technologically and economically able to provide us with non- long-range missiles, for example, and the required number of shells, whether their economy will work to ensure this capability and whether russia will be able to conduct hostilities,

that is the assessment of these capabilities, it will to determine the optimal model or freezing or entering into some negotiation process. thank you, mr. igor, we have been on the air for just a minute, i... i ask you, today zelensky said that in the 25th year he hopes that there will be some kind of solution to the russian-ukrainian war, do you share this optimism ? well, i think the president has some information, and more than we do, that he can make these predictions, but this scenario, well, it may look realistic enough, but unfortunately, like other scenarios, war can indeed... to end next year, depending on what support we will receive, what capacity we will have to support this war, well, continue, in what format and how quickly russia will be exhausted, because russian economists also say a lot there, in including that in the 25th year they will already have very serious problems, but on the other

hand, if everything goes a little differently there , the war may drag on for the next year and another year and last in principle for a long enough period time, it's just that it will... well, differ in intensity and will not be the same as it is today, so in this regard, it is still very difficult to say anything, we do not know the final conditions, on the basis of which we will then be able to forecast. the situation in the 25th year ramstein should be these conditions to form, now it is postponed for a certain period of time. thank you, gentlemen, ihor reiterovych and vitaly kulyk were guests of our program today. friends, throughout our broadcast we conducted a survey, we asked you about the following: do you think that there are problems with freedom of speech in ukraine? let's look at the results of the television poll: 88% say yes, 12% - no. this is the end of it, friends, i wish you all good health, take care of yourself and your loved ones, this

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the states, or the negotiations are ongoing, yuriy fisar, more about this. this is the great ether, my name is vasyl zema, i. my colleagues, for the next hour and 45 minutes we will start, we will talk about what happened and of course, we will promptly report what will happen during our broadcast, well, let's start with the military results of the day. serhii zurets, director of the defense express agency, is already on air with us. serhiy, congratulations, i would like to speak to you. greetings to you, vasyl, greetings to our viewers, today in our column we will talk about our strikes on enemy arsenals, about... the weapons that the united states is not giving ukraine yet, and about the expectation of a meeting with vidremstein, even if this meeting does not take place this week more on that in a moment. so, the russian arsenal in the bryansk region was attacked tonight. this is in

close to the city of karachiv, where the so-called 67th arsenal was located. at the main missile and artillery control of the arefia army, it stored various ammunition, part of it in the open air, and this just ensured such a good chain reaction after the first explosions, mainly the explosions of artillery ammunition of various calibers, including shells that were delivered from north korea, the detonation continued throughout the day, and we in the defense previously made a diagram and described that in the area up to... a length of 700 km from the borders of ukraine, there are at least six grau's arsenals are powerful enough, and in the last three weeks, this is actually the third arsenal from this list that was hit and hit quite effectively, these arsenals were hit by long-range drones, although sometimes

videos with the sounds of a jet engine were added, and that allowed some observers to claim , that these... missions are joined by new ukrainian missiles, even the same secret, a secret missile called polyanytsia. let me remind you that the first to be destroyed was the largest arsenal in the western part of russia in torobka, where up to 30 thousands of tons of various ammunition and missiles, then there was an arsenal in tykhorytskyi, and now it was the turn of the grauye arsenal in the city of karachev, just 115 km from border with ukraine, by the way, this is the closest of all the arsenals and storage bases, its area is 3.5 km, we expect that satellite images will appear and we will be able to really assess the scale of the destruction, the forces of unmanned systems confirmed the strike on this arsenal, and claim that in karachev, if

all the warehouses were completely filled, then at least 22 thousand tons of various of ammunition, and this of course... will affect the ability of the russian army to conduct combat operations, because all these three destroyed arsenals were directed in one way or another to support the north group, in part they also fed the west group, so in any case we understand that it will have an impact on russian capabilities, although in addition to the grau arsenals, there are still a number of bases and arsenals that must be reached not only by our long-range drones, but also preferably from the west. high-precision weapons, and here we will move on to the second extremely interesting topic, today there was an editorial by cnn is dedicated to the topic of what weapons could bring ukraine closer to victory, but this article is based on the fact that there was a secret congressional report on aid to ukraine, before this report there was a list

of weapons that ukraine wants to receive, and... united the states have not yet transferred, and this list was made by the commander-in-chief of the us armed forces in europe, general chris cavoli, and this official is really familiar with the capabilities of the ukrainian army in detail, because he is in constant contact with our highest military and political management, we don't know the full details of what chris cavoli wrote, but we do know that there are two indicators from that list, the first is air-to-ground missiles, and the second is a secure communication system, the link-16 network system used in nato countries and the united states. regarding weapons, air and land, it is possible to state unequivocally. if we are talking about hgm 158 missiles with a range there of up to 390 km, in more improved versions up to 980 km, these weapons we are asking for

our f-16 aircraft, so far the united states is refraining from the transfer, because it is not as they write in the conclusions, parity with the aviation of the russian federation is ensured, of course such parity will not exist for a long time, but i think that the pressure on the americans in any case needs a friend. the component is exactly the links 16 system. now we see it in the video. links 16 is actually something like a powerful modem or, to put it this way in military language, it is a standardized communication system used by the forces of the united states, nato, provides the transmission of data, any messages in a protected format, even solves the problem of someone else's . this system link-16, it actually provides communication between different. intelligence systems, between the f-16 aircraft themselves, between the long-range reactive detection aircraft, and actually creates such a network system, where the aircraft receive full

situational, situational awareness, the pilots know what is happening in the sky, the units on the ground are also aware and actually act in a single network-intra-network-centric space, which is extremely important for increasing efficiency, if there is no such system, then the same f-16s and airplanes, they are actually such separate means of impressing the enemy, but which are not integrated into the combat system. well , the link-16 is definitely a component that we need, it will also connect those swedish reconnaissance planes that we expect from our partners in sweden, there will be interaction between the patriots and our f-16s, but for now the americans are afraid that such a system can fall into the hands of the russian federation, it can have negative effects. consequences, these two components are precisely the crosshairs of will and he distinguishes in his report, although there may be a much larger list of techniques that he is currently pursuing

ukraine is from our partners, and we understand that the issue of military aid to ukraine should have been raised at the meeting in ramstein, this meeting on october 12 was supposed to be unique in a certain way, because it was supposed to be attended by a leader, perhaps for the first time. the presidents of all the countries that currently provide support to ukraine, and this meeting, well, it was supposed to give certain, let's say, certain optimistic signals for ukraine itself, we know that ukraine is currently promoting a victory plan, which includes, on the one hand, expanding the supply of weapons , on the other hand just, well separate issues that concern... this guarantee of security for ukraine, although this is more of a political component, and when the president of ukraine paid a visit to washington, he also presented this victory plan, where, among

other things, it was about weapons, and by the way about the cancellation of the permission to use american long-range systems on russian objects, a list of targets was also presented, there are about 300 targets that must be destroyed on the territory. of the russian federation, which have military significance for the potential of the enemy, and regarding the destruction of which ukraine has limited opportunities, but at that time the decision was not made and it was believed that such a decision would be just right, maybe discussed and implemented following the results of the meeting in ramstein, but what is the situation now and what are the dynamics in the international context around the meeting in ramstein, about that.. . we will now talk further, and we are joined by oleksii yizhak, an expert of the national institute of strategic studies, mr. oleksii, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear from you,

and i wanted to talk to you, first of all, about ramstein, because we expected that this meeting will take place this week, it has been postponed, but in any case, i know that you have analyzed in detail all the information background surrounding this event, i would like to ask you... what are the maximum or minimum expectations of ukraine from this first meeting on the level of heads of state, governments of different countries, and the consequences of the timing of this meeting, well, it seems that such a meeting has already taken place , with such a slightly strange olsno format for ramstein in september. well, something like that , an important event was about to happen now, important, well, in in that sense, particularly in the sense that

the president of the united states is ending his term. he promised to return, he returned to nato, he has something to say, what will happen next, finally the secretary general has changed, a consensus person has been found, she will lead nato further, that is, there is such a seminal part here and there are two, well at least two known aspects that are currently being discussed regarding the future support of nato, this is related to what you said about weapons, well... a new discussion of the modalities of ukraine's membership in nato, as it may be, for under what conditions, at what pace, this did not happen, in my opinion, well, it did not happen, we know why, there is a formal reason, another hurricane is approaching the united states, the president decided that he did not need to leave, leave the country, when there might be something important inside to take place there, in my opinion, well, it's

still... such an excuse, because it seems that american politics in general is too frozen now, and the whole world politics has frozen with it in relation to any messages, any steps that may somehow affect the election, the election for now can be affected by anything, because the odds according to electoral calculations, they are equal, and any small small action. which will affect a small group in the united states, a social group, it is important, so now it is considered, well, there is a general vision that any tension in the world, wars, conflicts, they play electorally on the side of donald trump, he can always to say that the politics of joe joseph biden, according to kamala garres, she failed, fly

the politician... spoke of peace and all that, but he will put things in order, and on the other hand, any peaceful such success, negotiations, contacts, de-escalation of wars, they would now play on the side, on the side of the democratic candidate of the democrats, kamel garres, so i think they decided that now any, any participation in such a... military, military format, it is not good for the elections, the same thing happens with israel, by the way, they also have their own problems, and they are also holding hands and trying to say that there is no need to fight now, well, at least until the choice is made to fight, so we see a pause, here we are now we see a pause, no one knows what's next, i think such a meeting should still take place, because regardless of who will be the president of the...

states, well, at least the europeans should gather in this format and decide how they can continue to support ukraine, if the support of the united states will be maintained, well , of course, the united states should either come and say by what date, or they should say that they will no longer support ukraine, and it should take place in such a format, as it has not happened now, i think the ramstein summit of the ramshtein group, that's how the summit, it will take place already after the presidential elections, and for... now there may be a ramstein group, as it happens every month, but it will be connected with the nato ministerial sessions, which will take place a little later in the second half of october, but not the summit , minister, you mentioned the situation in the middle east in detail, i would like to ask you then what are the positive, conditionally there or negative consequences of the worsening

of the situation. in the middle east for the ukrainian-russian war, what conclusions can be drawn in advance, as far as it is conditional saying whether it is beneficial or not beneficial for our war with the russian federation, for this we need to understand that it is beneficial for us in relations with the united states, well, we, after all, relations with the united states are important for us, if we talk about such political influence, well, we can assume that active actions from... israel , they are helping the candidate from the republican party, and iran's attempt to somehow reduce the intensity of this war, or avoid the war, it plays into the hands of the candidate from the democratic party, this, if we talk about such current politics, is directly now, what affects what, so to speak.