reasonable, accessible in massachusetts. did not raise the cost of taxes to do so and did not raid medicare. a distinct difference. neil: tomorrow night they will say don't mention it? >> it already has. chris wallace is interview. paul ryan says health care is the issue of our time. it should be embraced private sector solutions for cannot the government. neil: to dismantle the health care law it can't be done at the courts it comes down to winning the white house or a simple majority vote piece by piece an

uphill battle. >> we need to repeal and replace without raising taxes. >> do you get a sense he convinces conservatives he has their interests at heart ? ronald reagan succeeded at that. but the jury is still out. >> it reaches of this go cliff we have to get in the same boat to. mitt romney was a great leader with the olympics, bain capital, a governor massachusetts and the president. neil: does he have to be warm and fuzzy? >> he is getting better.

neil: is the tough sell? >> he has a story and life message broker obama had a message but no story. big difference. neil: the lousy economy what is going on? >> a great nomination willing to take on the issues and the people who were ready for tough love. it is about time that the blast the government to do what they have to do. cut the spending and stick to the budget. barack obama has not. neil: i will put you down as a maybe? [laughter] thank you. senator isakson. gary joint -- johnson will join me soon but ron paul force will be here.

not all in lockstep. rich edson is manning the floor. >> where better to discuss this and texas. where the delicate will sit. the others are releasing their delegates they are free to cheat -- choose to they want, likely the nominee. but a few hundred of ron paul will probably vote for ron paul. they are not sure but they think somewhere between three or 400 delegates are free to choose from paul why republicans wanted to get it

out of the way early if the we -- early in the week because of the revolts in. the romney needs 1144. ron paul will not officially address the crowd that would be rand paul for although held a an event with thousands of supporters. neil: many of those move to gary johnson the libertarian candidate from new mexico. somehow they let him in the building. [laughter] but they left me and. i may be the token i italian anchor. [laughter] you are the party crasher.

>> we need to balance the budget now and then the war. the message not being heard. people really recognize spending is not a spate -- sustainable. neil: new poll very well in some states. q-tip colorado to romney? >> right to. [laughter] neil: you are a pain in the neck. [laughter] if both parties listen that you can survive politically add a minimum. neil: you have to get it on the debate. >> i have to get 15% but i

am not in the poll. but it is not too bad. i was here to address the ron paul fans. neil: obviously if you had clearance to get to it in here. >> anyway i could not have been received better. neil: they are good soldiers but not have the campers but it talking about paul ryan that he does not cut enough. >> the right and budget balancing and 28 years incumbent on growth. so let's start addressing

2013. neil: use a used car when? >> would submit immediately. somebody needs to take on the debate and discussion not cutting medicare we have two or find ourselves in a collapse. neil: you don't like medicare? >> it can survive the spending is not sustainable and monetary collapse the money doesn't pocket -- in our pockets cannot pay anything because of inflation paying back $0.43 of every dollar. neil: ross perot was the last clearly successful candidate could have won if

not imploded at the end. it is the tough road. >> and offering up not the third choice but the only choice. their only the three candidates on the ballot of all 50 states. the two states we have the biggest issue, we have overcome. it is a process but believe me, there are problems every step. it is hard to get on. neil: you are a spoiler? >> no. i embrace it. it draws attention to what i am saying. neil: security has been alerted that you are here. the governor may be escorted

but people are paying attention. gary johnson. thank you very much. be well. let me know how you got in here. the debate of spending if they are being aggressive enough. as graceful as he is trying to curtail the growth, conservatives that will dominate the room tomorrow night argue the spending should be much more aggressive. one delicate has been witnessing there is an appetite even for union households and delegates that will be here tomorrow.

how do handicap the crowd? >> it will be very enthusiastic chris christie who provides good entertainment. everyone is waiting and also watching the hurricane but looking forward to moving forward. >> brown of reagan was the last one to get the union household to vote republican. but not since then. how do you do that now? >> look at wisconsin, a paul ryan, as scott walker and union households voted for scott walker. you cover that closely. families realize the union boss drives the union over the cliff.

people want to work with them for better salaries are hampered by the union boss. there's the divide retry to talk directly to the people. we try to help the worker and they don't need and middleman. laws protect them already they don't need a union boss taking money at of their check. neil: your point* is resonating and the polls on showed a dead heat. we know he run day she won by fibers six points to the polls understate the strength of the ticket? >> it is good to run like

you are 10 points behind. neil: those battleground states michigan and wisconsin ohio and indiana could they run the table? >> were card we're the party that will not raise taxes in virginia we will be ground zero and we passed a budget in the house for those defense jobs and those that are concerned about the massive defense cuts threatening our job barack obama has been asleep at the wheel with mitt romney and paul ryan are ready to do the hard work he cut

spending 19 times with an unemployment rate. neil: but the state's are improving florida, virginia florida, virginia, ohio, . of those republican governors are happy cut-off the president will benefit five. >> and virginia we do the opposite. we cut spending. neil: the residents polled evenly in virginia. >> i ran for reelection last year. people did distinguish. they know obama wants to raise the tax rate. there are entreprenuership in my area concern with a

50% tax rate. they get the defense jobs. last time the vehicle may be people fought they were getting a second term bill clinton but it is worse than second turned jimmy carter. we cannot take it anymore. it will crash our state. with four more years of this man we cannot take. neil: barbara, a delicate and rising star in her state. keep being an update on this and also hurricane gustav govett interrupted that convention but tropical storm isaac is very different much more lethal and expensive.

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berlin's is evaluating 20,000 residents. joe, what do you make of this? >> it is day angola of attack from the southeast. with the anniversary of katrina we compare the to. at this time it was a monster storm but it was weakening. understand new orleans did not bear the brunt of katrina. it was a disaster the highest wind gust was 94 miles per hour, not only a 10-foot surge with lank pontchartrain because

katrina is made force went to the northeast biloxi and gulfport had the highest. is sick will intensify but coming northwest. the way the coast is shaped is like a funnel. the water pulls back now has a 100-mile hurricane which means even a total store is weaker the fact could be similar with the wind. and it will movement beriberi slowly it will be a 24 hour siege. if it comes with 15 or 20 inches of rain, twice the

amount of katrina and coming from the southeast like the one in 1947 it will push for 13 feet of water back into lake pontchartrain and into the parishes. that is what it is forecasting. also intensification look at charlie, camille, alicia el nino years, 48 hours before landfall for tropical storms. katrina backed off but this will intensify. there is a myriad of forecast problems. that slow movement somebody will have the siege cause a comparable conditions to

country know when it is said and done. neil: thank you joe bastardi we have david asman. it does not have to be bad to be expensive. >> 75% of oil production has been shut down in preparation. it is coming but you have to prepare for the worst. the oil companies have to walk down right now. fair airing on the side of caution. but 25% of all oil production comes from the gulf. 44% of all the oil turned into gasoline comes from the gulf. now mentioning venezuela

this second largest in the world had to be shut down with a deadly explosion. gas prices will surge now. they would do that anyway. with venezuela now tropical storm i sick from it is a sensitive topic. you don't want to seem unseemly to the human harm the romney will talk about the energy platform. the u.s. canada and mexico becoming independent by 2020. it might be a good time to bring back up. neil: david asman is in a york pushing back everything

by one day but that did not stop the marquee speakers to show up to try out the podium among them governor crist christie doing the keynote address and now coming out he was seriously considered for the vice presidential ticket but he refused to give up his governorship and also the financial impact if he did not. and if not his refusal -- refusal would he be on the ticket? we have one of the most highly regarded governors joining us and the importance of these next couple days and tampa.

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♪ neil: i thought this was earlier today.

i apologize. we had governor chris christie of new jersey making his way into this building. he was like a rock star. this is them earlier. let's and cameras gathered around. i thought they were here for me. turns out of was wrong. he was treated like a big celebrity. he was and is a big celebrity. apparently came this close to being the vice presidential nominee. you never know who is right or telling the truth, but the rumor was that the run the camp was very interested in having chris christie be on the ticket, but he would have to give up the governorship of new jersey. you can't raise money. the bottom line to but we know it happens. he did not get that. he did not want to give up his governorship. and the bottom line was they went to paul right with my work out just fine. governor tom kean here on that. unnecessary soap opera. good to have you. what do you make of that? that was an issue that forced the sitting governor, it makes a

very tough fund-raising. >> adelle believe it. the only covers are considered. i just was in on the process. i know he was seriously considered. he did not want to be vice president, but he did say if romney were tested he would have to seriously consider doing it. i never heard anything about the rest of it. at the story that chris has given is correct. neil: to put up this story that this was the story? >> i don't know because it makes no sense to me. my following of the story with the governor, that doesn't make any sense. i never heard that even as a rubber. this is brand new to me, and that think it was brand new to me, it probably didn't happen. neil: you don't think it was his people that put it out to try to put a nice face and not giving a number two spot. >> i don't think you have to put a nice face of chris christie. [laughter] neil: let's talk a little bit about what he says.

during his keynote, just as he is ready to talk about the new jersey come back, we did is that managers yet a blogger it has moved up. so it's moving in the opposite direction. among the big states in the northeast, it is particularly high. so he might have lost some cachet. >> i think you would know that is not true if you watch him around this area, around the city car around the convention. he still the most requested speaker in the republican party right now around the country. the fact that his numbers in the state have jumped up. he's doing very about very well. neil: is, but the new york mayor competes very well within. >> a good guy, but he's not like to be chris christie. neil: you don't think the governor is vulnerable to the feet? >> i really don't. this is someone who has taken a northeast date, a democratic state, got some major legislation through, taken on the whole pension question, reorganized education, done so

much for the state and to by the way, the opposition party to do it. that is a remarkable record, and as you take bowles in new jersey , the ones i have seen show that the people recognize it and like his outspokenness. neil: they do, but if this ticket were to go out to defeat a minor you don't envision that happening, but a lot of people put him on the top of that 2016 last. do you think he is interested? >> not right now, but i think he might be by then. i have known this cover along, long time. i knew him as a teenager. he is wanted to be governor of new jersey all his life. that's all he ever wanted. now he has it. why should he give it up? neil: the governor. >> well, once this is over. neil: were you going to go, a college president? >> people laugh. neil: could i ask you this? we were chatting, but about the marvelous thing, develop a sense of urgency and action ability

for one of a better word. the debt commission not so fortunate. when not? why was there a need to address the things you folks unanimously agreed to and not a hint of what the debt commission did not? >> well, look, the debt commission is very important. it's a tragedy for the country that was addressed, but our report was unanimous. neil: you insisted on that. i don't want any. >> i did, but suddenly hamilton. both of us as chairman and vice-chairman. neil: that was the goal originally. it somehow fell through. >> is tough. they had sitting legislators. >> including paul ryan. >> we were all this started politicians. from a different era, so we can be brave and say we want to say and do what we want to do and we did have to run for reelection afterwards. neil: yours got action, regardless of what people think about it, collecting dust.

>> and that's a shame. we worked very hard. all the time we were going to regret thinking of ways it was going to be implemented. a series of public hearings. rebought the public all the facts along the way. we would not go on alone. another member of the commission, we always had a bipartisan face. we support each other all the way. we worked on the book the was point to be a national best seller. we worked on a whole series of strategies that work, we hope to be going to result in a unanimous report and eventually it did. neil: you needed to be unanimous. >> particularly these days. there was a time when you didn't. right now it better be unanimous and abetted republicans and democrats. neil: absolutely right. a thank-you very, very much. welcome it does come down right now to the mood on capitol hill. the governor speaks of a time when, i think both parties to work together. he actually is a very genteel,

nice guy, but the fact the matter is he did twist some arms and get people to go along with this and understand that there was great benefit for everybody to get on board the plant rather than be divided on the plan. the proof is in the pudding, as the governor pointed out. many of the commission recommendations went instantly into affect. if you think about it, a hell of a lot safer as a result of his efforts. that commission, it's anyone's guess. right now, the wall street journal at a time when we are looking at essentially the linchpin of this entire campaign, the role of government more or less? i kind of think that -- and a heck of a lot smarter than i am, but i think this election comes down to that. it's a battle for how much of the what more less. good to see you. what do you make of what is a stake in will republicans have to pitch? >> two things. obviously they have to be the party of limited government. evergoing to pass a $16 trillion?

neil: we should explain this. as you know, it is counted by revenues coming in and out. up a down. but generally it moves closer to 60 joy in the wake. >> look. neil: the bad thing about the clock, it does remind me of a pbs telethon. i digress. you each get a coffee maker and a windbreaker if we pass it. it was yours. but you say that it's a good reminder. >> it is. look, i think the debt is a huge issue, but i actually am writing a column for the paper tomorrow or wednesday. we're basically say, you have to talk about the economy and government, but you also have to have the note rating growth message. i think that is a real challenge . to bring both of those factions that parties together. the deficit hawks, but the growth stocks. reagan did that very effectively and, of course, won the landslide election. neil: he did so as a conservative rallying moderates

around him to try to is state -- say i'm seth. this nominee has got the moderates, but he has to convince conservatives. >> he has done that. you know how? neil: paul rice and. >> that's right. neil: but is that enough? >> you can do it here. >> right now i can't feel anything. >> every party i have got to come every conservative i have gone to has said, was a little undecided about mitt romney, but now i'm gonna help. neil: it shows he was serious. >> a grand slam pick. at the liberals understand. to conservatives. he has intensified the support for this ticket immensely. neil: you know what happens with advertising and how they're just like to make this guy look like lucifer. so that-will be out. >> is back there so far. so far the medicare issue has backfired on the democrats.

they got a little bit of a shot out of the gate, but you know what, americans understand the program is going broke. they get the joke. under the ryan plan right now we spent 500 billion on medicare year. under the ryan plan, this average plan will cost pain and suffering. under that plan we still spend 800 billion. now, exactly. all have to be a mathematician to understand. neil: while the market's doing what they're doing? allot of obama people we have had on his support the president argued, well, say what you will love how anti business we are called the market double off lows. things are looking better. no, i hear from people, the former chairman tells me, well, this is a test -- in anticipation of a romney went. >> that is beyond my. neil: obviously if you barack obama you're going to look at this time of the movement notwithstanding.

>> the other day. you may have seen it. do better when democrats are. neil: and it has. >> barack obama should make that case. neil: at the wall street doing well. >> does the problem. he's bashing wall street all the time. i am an optimist. i think it -- neil: romney in a landslide. >> she does. i don't know if it will be a landslide, but i do believe if mitt romney was this race that think you're going to see an incredible bull market expansion. eighty's, 90's type of expensive because you take the text of off the table. that means capital gains tax and not going up a bit of it is taxes, stocks instantly go up in value. the economy, i think the economy is primed for a big expansion. so much money did you report on this every day. one-and-a-half to $2 trillion is to stop being ejected. the huge. neil: thank you very much. very good seeing you, my friend.

neil: right now i am the only one here. by the way, i will clean the men's room when undone. they are best. we will get to them. also, pat buchanan is coming here. he has this issue of a short convention. he can actually be okay. work to the republicans' advantage. he will explain that. pat buchanan. ry and abigail higgins had...

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♪ neil: you know, that you can certainly in a professional sense for decades now. whether you agree with this or disagree, man is this guy a hell of a writer and a hell of a thinker, and he just distinguishes himself from almost everyone else in the business because it looks beyond what is obvious and sees trends that most people cannot get on. for some times many, many years if ever. a former presidential candidate. a record of moving conventions like the one in 1992 if memory serves me right. but now we face a different sort of environment back then republicans are trying to show that there were very united and ready. we later found out that there were certainly not ready.

this convention is going to say it's ready. the destruction notwithstanding. it will go on to win. what do you make those comparisons? >> well, i think 1992. the idea when they have me up with the lead speaker that night and robbery in that same night and i was introducing reagan basically with my speech was to bring home the 3 million votes and to add those to the 9 million or 11 million that george h. w. bush got and then began the convention to move forward against the democratic candidate. of course then we have ross perot in there. we succeeded that night to all but i think ross perot getting out and and getting back in was fatal for mr. bush. this convention here, i think -- i mean, mitt romney, i think, is looking pretty good. an inside straight to win this. he has to win back something like six of the states that were lost last time. now lose any of mccain's states

like missouri, which is now employed. i think it can be done. one of the best pieces of news i have seen here is the fact that obama is now at 46 and romney is at 47, what is good about that is not the one. difference but that obama has fewer than half of the country saying they want to reelect him, which means what mitt romney has to do is close the sale. he has failed to do it thus far. he has a golden opportunity coming up this week. >> i remember that very well. the one thing to remember, the response to your remarks. ronald reagan's remarks, he would acknowledge having alzheimer's disease cause of that was his last public event if you think about it. one of the things that i sensed out of the party then is that while conservatives are given a chance to speak and voice their collective expression it was not really heartfelt for the party.

that was the rap then. i don't know if that was even dent accurate. it does seem, paul ryan now withstanding, the die-hard conservatives, even some of the libertarian was in this room are not quite convinced about this ticket. how'd you overcome that. >> well, the problem in 1992 is that george bush lost the heart of the party. when i ran in new hampshire i came very close to bush. came out of nowhere, but when the voters of new hampshire -- neil: time magazine. >> and there were asked a question, regardless of whom you're going to vote for commodity you agree with more, something like 80 percent said buchanan. so the problem georgia is to be bush's was reigniting and firing up part of the republican party romney, he lost it. what happened now, the republican party to my will said this, ignited by a tremendous fear of barack obama and one

more for barack obama then the damage done to the american economy. it will be irreversible. there is a tremendous apprehension and fear of obama getting reelected. i think ryan has helped. as just heard steve a minute ago ryan has helped a man that think they're going to get behind him for that reason. this remains a winnable race. i'll be honest. i think unless we take the house and the senate and the presidency, and i'm not sure it can even be done then, but unless we get that at the country is in grave trouble. neil: the only way you could dismantle health care is to get the senate, even a majority. then by reconciliation you could pick it apart bit by bit. >> one more point. 25% of gdp. the government is spending of the federal level.

tired of say will cut it back to 20%. the republican party is the courage and moxie in determination to cut the federal deficit by basically 1/5. i wonder. neil: it's a big leap. it's a big leap. thank you, my friend. one of the finest minds of the conservative. there is just now debating that. now debating this. that might not have had with the president. they're getting some doubts about the president. increasingly people are in a gallup president. what though one of the soprano's think about that temecula ever wonder that? what kind of lies?

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♪ neil: all right. he was a very big deal at the 2008 convention for barack obama. he will not be at the democratic in charlotte, north carolina. by the way, that does not mean they're going to be storing for the mormon. it just means that there will be going crazy for barack obama. a lot of them stepping the festivities and the events, not that they have been reluctant to raise money, but let's just say a lot of them are increasingly disappointed in barack obama. fancy's nancy hollywood type could understand. of course he doesn't consider it part of the hollywood crowd. but, of course, you know, he is attached to an iconic name. joining us right now. what's going on among your

friends? they seem to be distancing themselves from their hero? >> you know what, obviously i can't speak for anyone but myself. maybe there is a euphoria. suppose to be hope and change. it has changed because a lot of the hope is gone and i have changed your pocket. he used to have folding money. neil: you know, i've always wondered where you were coming from. i always remember this. it was during the primary campaign. agassi did it with bill clinton and hillary clinton. the famous eyes were you're looking at them. to know where they were. he said of the time you're not doing as buffer hillary clinton. but everyone has wondered whether that was your tipoff. you were not a fan of the future president. >> i was not a fan.

you know what, listen, gas used to be a dollar $0.70 a gallon. drill keystone. put people to work. i'm not worried about some indigenous bird that may never come back to the planet earth because it put a little bit of oil where he sleeps. we have to do something. it's ridiculous. if ronald reagan could come back , i'd vote for him before the election. this is ridiculous. we need an adult in the white house and we have not had one for almost four years. on waiting. neil: i know i keep saying this. i think you have eyes that can say thousands of pages with a script without saying anything in all. harry reid is sitting opposite you, and he's giving you a song and dance for more spending. respond with your eyes. >> with your and my pocket again in a minute cut off. does that? neil: i want you to give him the eyes more after this.

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making sure. neil: you're a single woman, and your here. >> well, yes, i am. yes. neil: my point being that it is not as if they can't win over single women. what is the ticket going to have to do? >> they have to say cod to you what the government to hold your hand or do you want to be in power as an individual? the feminist movement for 40 years as is is all about the bill's being an individual off. i think one basic question is if you want the government out of

your life, why the what the government to pay for everything you can have it both ways they can really hit it home. neil: the issues. come back. i always thought he was patronizing. the social issues, the obama campaign has the single woman locked. >> they might. on the social issues, but i think that they are shifting a little bit. once again, it comes back to the economy. there are not a lot of jobs. single women are graduating college. they cannot find work in their field of study. they pay bills just like men do when they come out of college. neil: back to the economy. go back to the spending. resonate how that is hurting. >> everyone. that's as females cannot just males. the entire country is hurting right now. neil: thanks you very much. to her point, that will beat the full throttle push to make up for lost time. hair going to hear from new