neil: out with the old, in with the same old. welcome i am neil cavuto, look at new congress, looks like the old congress, republicans still rule the house, and elected the same ruler for the house, but this is a messy house, and a very big mess for john boehner, tea partiers, who made him speaker two years ago do not much like the way they have been treated since, they are not happy. they are not happy with tax hikes they say did not have to happen, and they are not happy with spending cuts that did not happen. two years they stormed city, vowed to stop kicking the can down the road are now feeling

their own cans getting kicked. so don't let today's festivities fool you, there is a kettle boiling in the house, and its tea partiers not one bit happen about what happened. they are spent. but that does not mean still not stuing, just ask these folks. not happy, there are a lot of tea partiers who did vote for speaker boehner, but many still chafing still. >> it is a big huge mess. you know, i'll have to tell you, like the new senator fromtection tech said, -- senator from texas said, politics turn on the dime. we have put an end to the same old same old. neil: one of the arguments i

heard he could not in his conscious vote for the speaker, i asked him, whethhr he of fearing he might be punished, you know off of the committee and running the janitorial closet, i of kidding, but are tea partiers in that position where they buck the leadership or fought the leadership on the cliff issues there will be hell to pay for them? >> we think so, we've seen it in the past, that is really the normal way of congress, go with leadership or get punished. i would expect the same in the future, thank god there are people like louie gomer who stand up and vote their conscious, it should be all of them voting that way 92 they are not, -- >> they are not, katrina, if you think about it the tea party movement and 83 congressmen and women who came with it two years ago that enabled john boehner to become speaker of the house, a hell of a thank you, to all but

put them to pasture. >> they tell us welcome to politics we live in a republic this is not a democracy, and as long as we keep our republic there will always be a movement of liberty. any time that government over spends their boundary as this current administration is doing, you will have people like the tea party that is the name of liberty movement of today, but this is normal. this is in our heritage, i am thrilled we see who they are, because it gives people like me hope to fight more. and elect more people like ted cruz, we have wins and losses we can't win them all. >> very good point, mark, we have talked about whether we -- a lot of team get their news from mean stream media, they don't watch me enough, shame on them. a lot of people have now, a more

favable impression of occupy wall street movement than the tea partiers, since i have covered both, i have never seen a tea party movement get vi11, violent, and last i checked every tea partier showered. in the eyes of general media. the tea partiers odd balls and the freaks of nature are not. >> billions have been spent to keep us in that light. >> everyone is dismissive of you, those renegades. >> you know they are dismissive. then, the next moment we're omnipotent. plan b did not pass because of tea partiers were so powerful, and then the next minute we do not exist. it is about the ideas, all

polling shows that tea party ideas are in favor. neil: neither one of you is better ? >> of course i am bitter, any time you commit yourself and our time away from our family and invest in something, of course you will be let down when things don't look look they are going your way. but at the same time this is politics therer more and more people learning, if the media and politicians want to ignore us, i say let them we're still working. >> i'm not bitter, i came on your show two years ago just before the elections, just before john boehner was about to become speaker of the house, you asked me the question, if i thought of it a good idea for him to be speaker, i told you, we are going to get what we had in the past, we got it. neil: there was no revolt among your members. >> there was, looking at voted two years ago a lot more people voted against john boehner or be

on stained from voting -- abstained from voting this time. neil: thank you both very much. good seeing you all. >> a new day, a new congress, but pretty. the same. but not if california democratic congresswoman loretta sanchez has anything to say about it happy new year, i keep hearing that many in your party feel emboldened now. they have the republicans on the ropes, in two years the house will be theirs, what do you say? >> well, that is politics. we're at the begin of a new session, we put politics aside and try to work together for the country. i am hoping we'll sit down and get this country moving again. neil: i have to tell you, a pox

on both houses, you have a way of showing it, with this whole cliff deal, not you personally. not a lot of spending cuts, a lot of tax hikes, a lot of people throwing up their arms, saying, if this is the best we got, we don't got much. >> i wish we would have gotten more on the table. and make appropriate cuts -- >> what happened? what went wrong? >> i think that there is just very entrenched interests, on both sides. and so. >> you were open to addressing entitlement, you said make them part of the discussion. >> i said everyone needed to put something on there. neil: membership of your colleagues did not, a lot of

republicans would not offer up anything of their own terms in revenue, no, no, i understand you. but in the en in particular with the spend it was like nothing, nothing. >> well, but we'll come back to that spending thing. you know that. neil: no you won't. >> yes, we have to. neil: no, you punted on this one you will punt again. >> i believe because you have a debt ceiling issue, otherwise we'll have sequestration. >> you can move the goal post. >> well, i believe that $1.2 trillion is a good goal over the next 10 years. neil: $1 to1.2 trillion that isa rounding error. >> we take 10% off everything, there are programs i would like to eliminate and keep others. but you know, there were a couple things that happened we made.

first of all, yes taxing the go up on those people who as a couple make $450,000, and capital gains and dividend will go up, i want to thank those people. they are some of the first to put manage on the table. and we should not demonize them as wealthy, it is a great thing you grew up in america or come to america, and strife to make a business or do something or have an idea to become successful, and you many money from it, that is greater, that is what makes america, those people who have, i want to thank them personally for the fact they are going to help us. right now in this time period. there are also, the 2% increase that go back t to payroll tax, t now coming back, that is money that goes into the social security fund. even the very minimal wageworkers are putting a little bit of table. neil: are right.

a cup half full version, the first one who hit the rich thank the rich. but you are one of those who is trying to move the ball forward. >> we will. neil: i hope you are right. >> we have to, we have to. we have to cut some of that. we have to cut spending. neil: we do. >> there are placing to cut. neil: my doctors keep saying you have to lose weight, and i never do maybe you will have better luck. >> i can help with you that too. neil: maybe you will have better luck. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> just call him satan's -- to hear media tell it, joh john bor botched it? but who says? a lot of hot air. >> and the rush, rush, rush to get a bad deal down so we're not downgraded. and guess what? we're still down graded. do you think it can't happen?

i think that the folks at moody's threw out some tea leaves. >> and big government is back, get forward to pay through the nose for it.

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neil: our media moment. a new segment. what a moment for john boehner, like a moment from hell. in almost every paper, leading almost every newscast. the speaker of the house sounds more like the satan of spending, crueling holds up the vote on the much needed sandy aid. easier to push the bad boehner argument, i guess, not true though.

because, reality, the sandy bucks are not going just to the victims, far from it millions doled out to fisheries in alaska, and roof repairs in washington d.c., not one sandy related. speaker wanted to keep the aid package clean. they are good at throwing good money after bad in washington. and pork if goodies for themselves, forgetting the folks who don't have much for themselves. greedy politicians are taking their money, and john boehner gets fried, look there are no saints in washington did you beplannedding accountability -- demanding accountability, john boehner deserves better.

they got them scared now, he was being reasonable and looking out for the victims who were getting screwed. leave it to mainstream media to sell the notion, he is the bad guy, he found it screwing. to mediae is researchstra. said all this is screwing but not unusual. looking at chain of events it is remarkable. >> another one of these things where you know, it is we all remember those of us of a certain age of president ford, to new york drop dead. this is one of those, the news media tries to take a republican apart because somehow they can make him look cruel, and uncaring. even if it is for 48 hours, then they do the stories, they say, oh i'm sorry speaker boehner, i think that the damage is done, they try to create public relations damage, they are not

doing what you are suggestions which is let's look at all of the pork in this bill, "new york times" puts it on page 23 that tells networks don't bother, and the whole point, is to separate the republicans to cause what nbc was calling a civil war, that is what they are interested in, that is what obama white house wants. neil: i don't see the same thing with democrats, a greater deal with wars in middle east and iraq to question every penny, and every piece of waste which is fine. the question is money is spent, and whether it goes to wrong tank at wrong time to wrong regiment is fine, but you have to be level and fair about it you have to look after abuse and waste wherever it goes. and god fe forbid in a $6 billin package how they came up with that sum for the area, is beyond me, but you have to say, where

are you spinning this money, heaven fore gid you discover that is -- forbid you disconservative it is going to places and events and low qualities not even remotely affected by sandy. >> a nice civics textbook idea that news media would look into a bill and see what is it in, and tell us what is it in. and ask if it is too much, and how much is paid by private insurance, but they are not doing it again we have a very littlpoliticize news media, thee not looking at facts. you have somebody like congressman peter king who condition scare off a camera when he is doing something like let's investigate the muslim threat, but if e says mean

things about speaker boehner he gets a big profile in washington post. neil: what is it chuck schumer said, you ought to tell people to their face they are not getting this money, i would be happy, to say some one else is. i think that is a very credible argument. anyone in stateno island would agree with that, they would like the money for them, not a roof repair job. >> but the way that the stories are stacked up it is outrage republican, outraged obama, outraged sandy victim. and there is no discussion or debate. nobody will be able to get up and make the point, why does a taxpayer in north dakota or wyoming have to send their tax dollars to manhattan, for disaster relief. you know, it is just not a question that they allow people

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neil: the country is off the cliff, but that does not mean we're off the cliff, credit agency moody's warning that deal passed is not cutting it because it does not cut enough.

now if washington does not act over next couple of months, we might be saying good-bye to another triple-a rating. moody's, skewed that but now hinting not this time. what would be reason? >> look, they said if we actually went over the cliff it would be a reason for them to not downgrade, it would have from a deficit perspective, settous that path quickly, and more meaningful way. they would like that, the numbers work better in near-term. that is not the case, the question is do they wait until they see what happens on the debt ceiling. maybe they hold off until then but i think -- >> a couple months. >> just a couple months away. that will be another big fight. but i don't know it has quite

the impact that people assume it would have in august of 2011. so we learned i think from that. it was not an ar armageddon situation, it does not mean we should take it lightly. neil: that is surprising. pulled out of a nearby restaurant when the news came down, and i worked late into the night. i noticed is never go on air if you had a lot to drink. >> good to know. neil: and the other never make bold predictions. i thought it would be a calamity. let's see moody downgrades, will it make a big impact? >> everything is relative it is still relative in terms of ratings, and we're still the world's currency. we're still the cleanest shirt in the pile of dirty laundry. i think what we found is that you know many of us, the

statements could be rewritten to accommodate, there is a need to hold that safety perceived or otherwise. neil: the rate of triple-a. >> or double-a, it did not cause major disruptions. >> what did you think of cliff deal? everyone has been talking about 41-1 hikes, and cuts, something happened from this point to where we started, when they were talking we would like 1 to 1, 2 to 1 tops, 3 to 1 was ideal what happened ? >> we did not make more enough of a dent in the rile problem long-term, and everyone knows that. neil: wall street is satisfied. >> that something got done. for most part that was a big deal in terms of businesses and planning out. so i think that was the relief that wall street expressed. i think that does make the

picture a little bit clearer for businesses, and maybe bring back some pent-up demand. but we're not finished in terms of the whole long-term deficit reduction, debt reduction, that comes to play with rating agents is ahead of us, but the tax was such a big uncertainty, now we know the rules of at least that part of the game. neil: what about their attitude? a crowd that is in the top tier. they have higher taxes, it has to affect their psyche. >> not only that, but much has been said that taxes are not going up on the majority. but lost in the shuffle is payroll tax, some say that is just 2%, that is 4.2 to 6.2, that is a 50% increase. consumer confidence has remained resilient. when the rubber hits road, and they get the check, we have to

see whether we get a until on dent. neil: do you see is happening? >> not sure. the good news is that things that tend from track with consumer confidence like housing and energy prices and job growth have all been trending to the better, if they continue to provide the offset we may be able to manage the wow, my paycheck is less. but it will make at least a little bit of a dent. neil: all right, liz great to see you again. president obama the anti-ronald reagan? because of his latest move to divide congress? one of "the gipper"'s right-hand men, how the president could make bipartisan anything impossible.

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neil: well, house speaker, to hear democrats tell it who needs republicans at all? and house is left to either beg's rubber-stamp -- being a rubber-stamp, a strategy that has democrats thinking they have the republicans' number. and the house as well. not a great way to do business, is it? as ronald reagan's former advisor, a far cry from the way his old boss did business. i could never imagine a day where your old boss, reagan would delight in humiliating democrats. >> he used to say he started life as a democrat, the union head for actors union, he talked about that show he was trying to

build bipartisan, and he was one that said, he wanted to build a monument in washington for fdr . and nobody had done it before. so, you know he was a guy who really believed in trying to be bipartisan. then you had, the tip o'neill, and ronald reagan tax cut. neil: you think about it, they did a lot of their best work in private residence of the white hoose, and hashed over deals. but they learned how to work with each other. i am asking, democrats, i have talked to a few, who said it could work for us, we den get cuts. -- we didn't get cuts we're on fire, we can triangulate this. to use an old clinton term, and just leave the house as last bastion to look golden. >> i hope not. the republicans certainly did lose on everything they said they wanted .

>> how did that happen? >> they got painted into believing that the public would blame them if we went -- over the cliff. neil: would they have? >> i don't know. neil: i argue it could have been worse. let's say, they get the blame, right now their toleratings are low -- their pol toleratings are low,. >> they could have, but they did not say we'll go along with president's half and half increase, we'll introduce legislation for tax cut for everyone. and let the democrats reject that. so then, the democrats would be in the position of turning down tax bill that came out of the house, but for know what reason, they decided not to do that. neil: now democrats think they have the republicans a number going forward, president

indicates if you make a debt ceiling, hostage, to spending issues, it is not happening on my watch. and we'll be on the brink in another couple months. >> the debt ceiling is a very dangerous thing to play with. neil: will republicans make a big error trying to force the issue. >> i don't know how, i don't know how you do it. because if you -- it is not like this legislation you go over the cliff, the economy slides into a recession. with the debt ceiling, if you don't have authority, what do you do? you stop paying bills, if you are federal government. you stop sending checks to our supplier. neil: that really hurts the ones who are perceived as making it possible. >> in short run, hospitals do not get reimbursed for the medical expenses. neil: i think that is it, republicans are afraid of their own shadow, what is to compel democrats to offer spending cuts

if they think that the republicans are afraid? >> i think that thing that helps is every expert in washington agrees that long-term entitlements need to be changed. neil: we've been saying it for a while, a lot of american people are far happier with raising taxes on the rich. >> but the had the said i'm not changing social security in the contact of improving the budget. i will do it to strengthen social security. the rhetoric will move in this direction. neil: that means it has to be truthful. >> well, basically, kind of thing that republicans talked about a little bit changing the intectioninindexing formula. neil: that was repudiated. >> that is right. neil: do you think they will revisit. >> i think that because president said he was not prepared to do it as part av budget talk -- part of the budget talks in his state of the union, first and second, he talked about fact that social

security is not viable the way it is, it needed to be changed. there are certain things he would not accept, not accept cuts to current beneficiaries, no republican suggested that. high would not accept, -- he would not accept hurting very needy, nobody suggested that, but that left a lot of room to gradually transition from the current system to one with a lower replacement rate. neil: you think that there is room for hope, and president is more open to addressing spending than he appears to be. >> i hope so, i think so. neil: the congressional -- do not touch entitlement, and others saying leave medicare alone. >> he will say, i want more revenue along with spinning cuts. i think he said i want dollar for dollar match, that sounds like he is prepared to do spending cuts.

or not rates, then a question of on whom. right now we have with this new legislation, the top 2% will pay 50% of all personal income tax. neil: that is incredible. >> not a lot more you can squeeze out of that. >> martin thank you. >> thank you. neil: individual good. >> why critics say that obama administrationa new immigration push is all about getting more voters.

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neil: in term two it looks like immigration will be issue one, president saying he will go for immigration reform as early as this month, and an executive order that be help a million

illegals become legal. this is more about finds future democratic voters, davy, what is going on? >>, president got 71% of the hispanic votes, if romney received as many latino votes as gw burglary woul bush dhe woulde presidency. the democrats do not want to that happen, in a want the 71% of all latinos. i think there is a way for republicans to get ahead of this by attacking the biggest enemy of latino voters, that ims, the immigration service, the most awful nonresponsive bar nonresp. let the republicans get in front of this, say we know you are

paying we're against big government. the big government that i ns represents, i have a latino wife, she has stories, a sister-in-law lives in nicaragua. she has a consideration pa, and -- a cpa, and a dozen bes have started but she can't get here because she is trying to do it legally. >> republicans are not sure how to do this without looking cruel and heartless. >> if they identify with latins, say we know your biggest enemy is immigration service, we agree. we want to go back to a guest worker program, bring back a guest worker program we bring immigrants here to work, we want people to come to the united states to work not to go on welfare.

neil: what about those who do not qualify? >> you make it clear work this welcoming arms to people who want to work here not welfare, we give back of the hand to w.h.o. come jus just -- who come here just for welfare, and a lot stricker about sending people back who don't want to work, most do come here to work, most came originally because they wanted to work not because they wanted to go on welfare, the number of latinos on welfare, there are fewer of them than white americans, latinos want to come here to work. that is why they come here. neil: what the president is doing now is cultivating voters not helping them. >> absolutely, but republicans should not sit back and say, gee, that is not right, they should get in front of the issue, and say we're as much against the ins as you are. we want a guest worker program,

allow people to come into work not go on welfare 92 very well put, you had your moment, thank you david. neil: he is like mensasmart, give up or just pay up. the day of big government is back. you want more government, three words, open your wallet.

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neil: here is all you need to know about the appetite of cutting in washington, 41 to 1. i can't repeat it enough, not 1 to 1, 2 to 1 or 3 to 1, or even 27 to 1, but 41 to 1.

they are more gimmicks, this year, deficit getting bigger, and over next 10 years, almost 4 trillion bigger, politicians are okay with that. there is one small problem. if we're just going to let the government grow, we have to let our taxes grow, after all, if you are not going to cut, you have to hike. not going to cut it. then if you took all of their money, you took all their money. all, you need still more money from still more folk says that is you, are you in? pay up. with me now, secretary under ronald reagan, former office depot ceo, and david walker, by the way, david, has a unique

distinction as being nominated as speaker of the house, he did not make it. he thought you got the numbers and appreciated it. but away we went with usual cast of characters, what do you think about that? >> it of a pleasant surprise neil, we did not talk with it in advance, i think i came in fifth. neil: they said, you just watch neil debt ceiling comes up we'll get serious then are we? >> it is already to get -- it is going to be hard to get cuts, what washington does not want to do is cut any. anything. republicans lost their mojo as they went along, obama said, if you hold this up, i am going to point a finger at you, the republicans should have said

fine. what are your ideas? that never came through. neil: steve, you wanted mitt romney to win, but was the election take away that morning said no to cutting down government because democrats seem to be behaving by demanding that en tightments -- entitlements are off the table. what do you think? >> no, the republicans won the house. and they control the house, and republicans did that because they want to cut spending. i think that american impeachment, fundamentally in the heartland, in small, understand we have a revenue issue here, and a spinning issue in the country. already, we try revenue thing that is we drove off the cliff, and they you know threw them a bone with some revenue, now the spending cuts have to come, every small business in america knows. neil: they are not coming. >> you don't raise rates.

neil: but they are not coming, you have been bemoaning this and criticizing both parties for years now you talk about unfunded liability that's dwarf whatever numbers that traditional politicians talk about, the only way you can do it, is to obscenely raise taxes, even that would not do it. >> if you take total nit worth of top 400 individuals on "forbes" list this is $1.7 trillion that is a year and a half of budget deficits, 17 weeks of worth of increase in our financial hole, that is if you confiscate all their money, this was about taxes, there was 3 mandates coming out of the elect, president got a mandate to raise taxes on wealthy, and republicans got a mandate to cut

spending, american people said, you people better start doing your job, and earn your pay, now we need steps to achieve a grand bargain that is wealthed more toward spending reductions than revenue. neil: good luck with that. good luck. i see poll, not all but a god number say that americans are happy sticking it to rich, just don't touch my medicare or social security. >> i think what has to be proposed is town sizing washington -- downsizing washington itself, they keep avoiding that. washington filled with agencies that are redundant. neil: about what if the era of big government is back that bill clinton got it wrong. >> it is, spending has been going up by leaps and bounds, i don't think that rules right now are set up in a way that encourages spending cuts. the debt limit, for example, let's say you go over the debt limit, what happens? you default on the debt or shut

down government but you never cut spending, they should repeal the current debt limit and replace it with something that forcing spending cuts which which what we don't do now. we never get to a point where washington reduces its appetite for money you? are right, stive, -- >> you are right, they have been buying this business market, saying we have a great let's relief rally, we know how we're being screwed, and so we're happy about that, this is a weird react in the face of logic. did you see the budget deal? >> it is terrible. we need fundamental reform, we said it over again, tax reform, entitlement reform, they are gambling with full faith and credit of the united states, if they drive up to next cliff,

with the debt ceiling limit and they play games with that, what i don't understand is that we're not talking about a bridge, this is not negotiation on small stuff, this is global impact, our credit rating anxieties have said, -- agents video sai have l downgrade you. neil: let's say moody's acts on its threat to take away our triple-a rating, it has been done people said no big deal. >> as long as federal reserve continues to self deal in our own debt, they are only person with any appetite for our long-term debt that is what is art fishily holding the interest rates down that is not last. neil: take them out you have what? >> more interest. if we go back to normal rates. neil: what do you think when you hear that? >> we have businesses not

investing enough to create new jobs, and so, i would be happy if the fed stopped buying up the government debt, we would at highest be able tatleast be able truthful idea of what the problem. is now we have to have a unified position, we heard marty make the point that, the white house has a lot of the power. i was legislative manager for debt limits in reagan administration, the white house can force them through, it does not give much liverage, so republicans should demand spinning cuts. neil: and stop the gimmicks, leave you with a quick thought, congressman, adler, in washington actually came up with an idea to have federal reserve print a trillion dollar coin as a fall back in case they are up against the brink, i till you that is what happen to rome in

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