>> the size of your table. melissa: on to the next, congratulations to former president bill clinton, father of the year. the national father's day council crown clinton for his profound generosity, and tireless dedication to his public office and millie 55 many tons of the organization's. i don't understand what any of that had to do with being a great father. >> away to raise -- >> god bless them. >> the national father's day council. he is a huge draw and still is. a luncheon in june. probably 200, 300 -- melissa: to a half to ask how monica lewinsky figures into all that? >> let's leave it out there. an interesting choice. melissa: father of the year? do you think her father would agree? >> the mom was just in the hospital. the daughter.

look, it's a way to make money. they need a headline. melissa: well, the show is called "money." all right. we have to go. that's all the "money" we have for you today. the c becker tomorrow. "the willis report" is coming up next. ♪ gerri: tonight, the white house planning to use executive power to limit gun owner rights in this country. and the number one goal of american millionaires. the surprising answer to a new survey. welcome to "the willis report." ♪ hello, everybody. i'm gerri willis. the consumer financial protection bureau rolling out new mortgage rules today, and as we do whenever the government issues new regulations, we take a look at the true impact on you , not the promises. here are the basics on today's new rules.

they prohibit a borrower's total loan payments from exceeding 43% of income. no more of those high-risk mortgages like no income verification loans that played a part in the housing bust. skeptics ask whether these hurt the people they're trying to protect and damage the delicate housing recovery. joining me now, resident fellow at the american enterprise institute and former executive vice president of fannie mae. and director of housing finance and policy for the center for american progress. i will start with you. these rules are crucial. why? and do they go far enough in your point is you? >> it seems like common sense that if you are a mortgage lender and make a mortgage, you're going to check to see if the borrower can afford the mortgage. that is precisely what did not happen in the run-up to the housing crisis which is why we need the rule that the bar has the ability to pay the loan

back. gerri: just common sense. >> i think the problem here is that fha and other government agencies are making loans that are irresponsible for years and years, including loans with high debt ratios and will continue to make them under these rules, yet the cftc says they will prevent irresponsible lending. one of the most irresponsible lenders out there. gerri: we agree to disagree. i want to talk about this issue of a 1-size-fits-all mortgage because it is clear that is what will happen because of a new rule making. banks will be more incentive just offer the 30-year fixed mortgage. is that a good thing? >> first of all, i don't think that is true. you can still make a 15-year mortgage, and you can still make adjustable rate mortgages. what you can't make is mortgages that are so risky that most people cannot possibly handle them.

gerri: ahead, jump in because i think there are a slew of other mortgages that people who watch this program are fairly well-to-do and responsible citizens might want to see. big problems, for example, with the so-called ninja loans, the very ones that apply to small business owners who have uneven streams of income. do you think we will get in a situation where we are limiting the options of consumers? >> i think the ninja loans and loans for self-employed will be difficult to get. severely abused during the crisis throughout the crisis. the government, again, promoting a lot of those loans in the lead to a tremendous amount of abuse. suppose to be used for small business owners and ended the being used for many, many times, millions and millions of people. the problem that these new rules present is that the cfpb has set up a definition of a prime loan,

yet this line can have a zero down payment, can have a 580 fica store -- store. and you can have a debt ratio of over 50 percent. as long as it goes through a government sanctioned automated underwriting system by fannie, freddie, or fha its a prime loan gerri: what about that. no skin in the game. i put down no down payment, and under this scheme i get a big loan. >> well, that is not what this is about. first of all -- [talking over each other] gerri: in the text of the rule you do not have to make a downpayment necessarily. >> what you were talking about is that under a certain definition call the qualified mortgage, which is a special definition within a much larger role, there is no particular down payment requirement, although there are a bunch of other down payment requirements. all this does is set a floor for

responsible lending. it does not prescribe the lenders its -- exactly how. gerri: let me put it to you this way. let's say their is a lender it decides the floor is where he wants to be and require no downpayment. is that good policy for the consumer protection bureau that is trying to make everybody more responsible? >> i don't think it makes sense for regulator to prescribe a down payment. in an america where everyone was required to have a 20 percent down payment we would not have much of the mortgage market because the vast majority of families cannot possibly do that . lenders make decisions for all kinds of reasons. credit enhancements, mortgage insurance, all sorts of reasons that a lender might be able to do save lowdown payment lending. gerri: one of the interesting things about this, it seems to me that it locks the government

even more tightly into the mortgage market. instead of saying we will change the rules, mix this up and make the private sector take it over and run this thing. instead the government is getting more involved. what do you make of that? >> absolutely. [talking over each other] >> on one hand we have the federal housing finance agency trying to reduce their footprint by raising their guarantee fees to make them less competitive. on the other hand we have the cftc saying for the next seven years or as long as fannie and freddie are in conservatorship, anything they do under their automated underwriting is acceptable. well, that will lock fannie, freddie, and they say the same thing for fha. that will lock all of them into the system that relies on the government. you are going to see more reliance on government rather than less, which i believe is probably what the cfpd wants.

gerri: julia. >> well, you could not have more reliance on government because 90 percent of the market is backed by the government. [talking over each other] gerri: in the long run doesn't this new rulemaking seem to make the government even more important and lock it down for years to come? >> this rule is separate from the need for overall housing finance reform. i would love to see some reform, love to see us figure out what to do. i don't think conservatorship -- [talking over each other] gerri: handle all of onetime. >> well, it has not been handled. the time was when dodd-frank was passed. conspicuously absent, and so we drove things out over the past four, three years. it continues, and that is what will happen. this is, again, a step in the wrong direction because it is really going to entrench the

government. right now the government's hold on the market is decreasing slowly. the last statistic was 16 percent of lending was not guaranteed by the government, up from 10%. i think with these rules it will push things back through fannie, freddie, and even fha. gerri: the beat goes on. thank you for coming on. great to hear from both of you. thank you for your time. >> thank you for having me. gerri: now we want to know what you think. was the housing bust caused by bad lenders are bad borrowers? log onto gerriwillis.com, vote on the right hand side of the screen and i will share the results of the end of tonight's show. more coming up in this hour. a weight-loss product known to millions of americans. the company responding to accusations it is just as an appearance team. stay with us. next, president of lama could use executive order to limit gun owner rights, where does the

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why is it president obama chooses to go around congress and make his wishes known by edict? doesn't it seem like he overrides are elected representatives we too often? in truth, barack obama is not the biggest issuer of executive orders. take a look. president obama has 147. towards w. bush, 291, clinton, 364. granted, those were the course of two terms. again, reagan takes the prize. if you go back further, the biggest order of executive orders was, get this, harry truman, who between 1945 and 1953 issued 8906 executive orders. successfully challenged when he placed all steel mills in the country under federal control because he failed to act to further a law congress had already passed and instead is to

his own policy. the supreme court invalidated the move which is so concerned about the idea of the president making lot about guns and gun ownership. we know obama has never been a fan of guns. remember his statement about people who cling to their guns and religion? that was not a compliment. it was an insult. the idea that the president would car back freedom, set aside in the constitution is simply ridiculous . any reconsideration of gun laws that would impact the nearly 80 million gun owners in this country should occur with all our elected representatives, not just one. the nation elected him president, not king, not sark. let's do things the old-fashioned way, democratically. that is what i think. drop me an e-mail, gerri@foxbusiness.com. >> coming up on "the willis report," is this a real business or a pyramid scheme? we would get to the bottom of one global management

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gerri: is herbalife, the multibillion dollar company it sells nutrition and weight-loss products by word of mouth, preying upon the very people it purports to help? company ceo house swinging after a hedge fund manager claimed the company was the best managed pyramid scheme in the history of the world. joining me now, columnist for dow jones newswires. good to see you. long time no see. is this company on the verge of collapse? ha. >> no, absolutely not. what he is saying is this company derives most of its revenues from recruiting people, people recruiting people rather than selling products i haven't seen any solid numbers that shows exactly how the company gets its revenues and that's still up in the air.

gerri: the ftc's to get only 9 percent of the server is make gross compensation. the numbers aren't that big for individuals your mom and dad sell their products to one. >> the company called holiday magic the ftc said it down. what i was trying to say is that these things have been around for a long time, jerry. some of them are sustainable like tupperware. others are, you know, flash in the night. what they do is they did you cannot recruit your friends.

gerri: here is. net sales. this is no small company. very, very big. they had a lot of success. it sells weight-loss supplements virtually all of the planet. you know who i am wondering is the bad guy and all of this, short sellers do not have a good reputation. and william hackman is out there saying his company is going down. interesting is that nothing is company sang his stirring the wrong thing. a lot of people out there are saying, hey, this is not fair and is not true. what do you make of that? >> all those people are selling things you could buy walmart. the a shakes. how many claims are made about diet shakes and vitamins he

wants to make money off of it. he says the money will personally making will donate to charity and he is out to expose the company. we can take that for what it's worth, but in some ways short-sellers are god's messengers that all is not right with the world. nobody likes a spoiler, and they come in and spoil things. i don't know if this company is going to be deemed a pyramid scheme by the ftc. that is what he is getting at which is a pretty bold bet. one thing to say this is as lucky company based on aggressive sales, and that think it is apparent scheme, but he's saying this stock is going to zero. [talking over each other] gerri: let me read a comment. we are confident there will be a legitimate company with legitimate customers. out swinging. it has gone down a line as of

multilevel marketing company. and no one is complaining about avon today. >> or to borrow or amway. he confined companies to do well and others to pay a lot of money for inventory and could not sell it. not everyone is a salesman. that is what it comes down to. gerri: thank you for coming on. appreciate your time. all right. does president obama have the authority to raise the debt ceiling without congress? will he tried to? our handwriting expert is digitalis about the most talked-about signature. will it end up on our dollar bill? can you read that?

>> from that fox business studios in new york city, it's "the willis report" with gerri willis ♪ gerri: as the debt ceiling showdown, members of the financial services round table now headed by former gop presidential candidate temple in tay are urging congress to raise the debt ceiling. failure to do so will cause a wire. will republicans caved? always great to have you on this show. what do you make of this? these and other business leaders of this country who are saying, you have to raise that debt ceiling. >> a little hypocritical. these business leaders of the same ones to say we have to do something about our enormous debt, and what will cause a wire to our nation's finances continuing to go around borrowing a trillion dollars year after year after year. the phony issue, people are

saying if we don't pass the debt ceiling it's a default. that is off the table. the constitution prevents a default on the national debt. revenues come in even after we pass -- you know, past the date which we have not passed the debt ceiling. what it means is it is more like a government shut down, not a default on debt. and shame on the media and people. gerri: there are other things that are bad that may happen like a sell-off in the stock market. the last time we tested this result of 2,000 points in the stock market, and i think that is what they are reacting to. they don't want to see that happen again, and they don't want to see executive to five executives across the country tie up the purse strings. i think they have practical considerations. what i want to know is if you believe that it would be a mistake to test cutting spending by holding off on this debt ceiling issue.

>> that's a tough call. i do believe in the rule, and you know it, every dollar of increase in the debt should be tied to a dollar of spending cuts. this is, i think, a financial emergency we are facing, and i think that is very commonsensical, and of the president rejects that, then who is responsible for not raising the debt ceiling? the congress or the president? i guess what i am saying is, lot of this will be determined by public opinion. as the public wants, a blank check to increase debt? if so, that is what the president will get. if they say, this is a real problem and we won't give him a blank check and an unlimited credit card in demand some spending cuts. i am not sure politically how this will play of, but i just don't think the republicans are going to give the president that. gerri: you know, $1 of spending for $1 of tax cuts rule, but he could not keep that rule when he

passed the deal for the fiscal cliff. how do you think, for heaven's sake, you will be able to do it this time around. >> that is a fair point. it is a question of whether he can get this through the caucus and whether or not the public will agree with them. i don't think anyone -- you're asking a question. i don't think anyone really knows the answer. how far are the republicans willing to take this issue? it's almost like astaire down, a game of russian roulette. who will blink first. gerri: let me read you a letter, just to change it up a little bit. paul ryan rating to the budget director. here is what he says. given the critical importance of addressing our nation's fiscal problem i'm writing to ask whether the president will submit his budget request this year on or will for february 4th. if the administration does not plan to meet the statutory deadline, when do you anticipate the request being made?

you know, please, please, please , mr. president, o your job. >> right. i think this is another avenue. it's serious. it does have an obligation. he does have an obligation to pass the budget. one of the things that has very much frustrated the republicans, this goes back to the debt ceiling issue. when i talk to republicans, one of the things that they are looking at, we will pass a debt limit extension out of the house , but it is contingent on the senate passing a budget. isn't that interesting? as you know, the senate has not passed a budget, our real budget in four years. gerri: we have a long way to go on this. we appreciate your opinion. >> a lot of ways that this can play out. when the president says, not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling, i can tell you this, he is going to have to negotiate on the debt ceiling. gerri: many ways to skin a cat. come back. thank you quick trip to be with

you. gerri: also today, as expected, president obama introducing treasury secretary nominee white house chief of staff jack lew. taking of the treasury as the white house prepares for the major fight with republicans over the debt ceiling. the rumors began swirling that he would get the nomination. we here at "the willis report" took a look at who jack lew is and where he came from. his biography, as we mentioned, was chock full of political experiences from his time on capitol hill to his work with the clinton and obama administrations. what we did not point out was his brief stint at citigroup. not something he often talks about. from 2006-2009 he ran the alternative investment arm. that division made its profits from shorting the housing market , betting against homeowners like me and you. while he was citigroup they took

in 45 billion from taxpayers under t.a.r.p. two weeks before he left to join the obama administration he took, bonus. before citigroup payback taxpayers, and it was not too shabby, nearly a million. so more than just a politician and lawyer. he was a banker who took money from taxpayers and that against them in return. that is the whole story. his signature is gaining attention. even the president could not help taking a swipe at his questionable. >> he is going to work to make at least one letter legible in order not to debase our currency. should he be confirmed as secretary of the treasury. gerri: if confirmed, how will he stack up against other treasury secretary's? with more on this, handwriting

analyst kathy midnight. welcome to the show. first of all, give me a couple of details so that i understand what you do, analyze handwriting. critical things to look at all the loops which there are a lot of the above and below the line. tommy about that. >> exactly. we look at the professional graphologist, upper lips, lower loops, where the eye is dotted, tea is crossed, size, pressure, and many other things that we stuck together. gerri: so let's go. he has a very unusual signature. you have to admit. what does that tell you? >> pretty funny. someone said just a minute ago that the news is swirling about this. the signature looks like a duel. you don't have to be a certified graphologist to realize this is a very unusual signature. it's sort of looks like a slinky or a doodle, and -- gerri: we are looking at it

right now. >> right. nothing of it is, whenever you have a signature that is eligible, it means that you don't always know what is going on with the writer they tend to keep a lot of things private. whenever -- the other thing that is important is whenever you have a lot of rounded circles, this person has a soft philosophy to problem-solving. one might say they might have a philosophy of saying hugs not drugs. however, he is going along and that long line at trails at the end, that shows both caution and tenacity . gerri: so jack lew is a man with possibly a secret to hide who is in touch with his mattress sexual self. let's look at -- can you hear me ? >> i can now, yes. gerri: we have had some issues with sound. one more question about timothy

gaggers signature. tell me what you know about his personality and how he thinks from that signature? >> what is so interesting about that is he has a very far-right slant which means he will be a little more emotional. there is a tendency toward impulsiveness. i love how he dots the i immediately. that shows loyalty, focus and concentration and attention to detail, big attention to detail. along lower loop which shows a lot of drive and ambition. gerri: interesting stuff. i feel like i know jack lew better now even though i have never met the man. thank you for coming on. appreciate your time. >> thank you very much. gerri: all right. when we come back, a look at the new year through the eyes of the average investor and the wealthy

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gerri: the top 2 percent of americans are getting a lot of slack from the far left. what is really going on behind the nation's wealthiest? a new survey might surprise you. joining me with the results, senior vice president and managing director for pnc wealth management. welcome to the show. tell us a little bit about your survey. >> the survey was really a survey of affluent individuals,

560 responded across the spectrum of geography and age, and it included individuals who had a million dollars of investable assets, excluding retirement plans, many had much more than that. gerri: people who are legitimately millionaires. now, the majority of the nation's wealthy said they were not rich growing up, which surprises me. tell us more about that. >> that was actually pretty interesting. 75 percent identified themselves as being average when they grew up. 12 percent, actually, consider themselves poor. the same amount, 12%, considered themselves well off or wealthy. gerri: i thought the goals that these people have are fascinating. the most important goal for wealthy individuals is about their kids. tell us about that. >> i think it really is interesting because i think what you find with the effluent, much like many americans, is that they are in many ways full of

contradictions. for example, 82 percent of those who responded to the survey said they wanted their children to create their round of. 84 percent said that their number one goal was to create successful hard working children . at the same time 91 percent said they want to give more to their children than they received and most of those responded said they received some help, but not a lot. gerri: that's interesting. i would think these people have been impacted by what is going on the economy. what did they tell yo what they're doing with their money or how they handle the money they intend to give to their children? >> interestingly there seems to be in many ways a gap between their aspirations and the practicalities of the economic situation. for example, if you look at those individuals who responded to said, look, i want my children to be hard-working, get their own wealth. at the same time that recognize

a couple of things. number one, the economy is bleak, the job market for young children coming out of college is difficult, education costs are really expensive. at the same time they themselves from the affluent do not believe that they will leave as much to their children as they once thought. many reasons for that the large part, low interest rates people have to spend down principal. the fact we don't have defined benefit pension plans very much, the vulnerability of medicare and social security and finally, and that this cannot be overstated, the foundational jolt that many of these individuals up took with the 2008 and 2009 -- financial crisis or of a sudden their

measurements for success were no longer in terms of beating or not beating the s&p or some other benchmark but rather whether or not the companies that they invested in survived at all. that's really, really important and still is having a large effect. you see that in the survey. gerri: leaving a legacy from a 46 percent said it means being remembered and passing on tradition. thanks for coming on. interesting survey. appreciate your time. >> thank you so much. gerri: all right. it's oscar time. best picture and best director for steven spielberg and the silver lining playbook and zero dark 30. as we begin the countdown we will your predictions, but

sometimes it is just an honor to be nominated. tonight's top five, the most nominated actors and actresses in history. laurence olivier, youngest actor ever, ten nominations but only one win for hamlet in 1948. number four, bette davis, a classic hollywood beauty also has ten nominations but to wins for dangerous in 1935 and jezebel in 1938. number three, jack were collected by jack nicholson, 12 nominations, three wins, two for best actor and one for supporting actor. 1983. number two, no surprise here, katharine hepburn may have the second most nominations, but this legendary screen star also has the most wins. hepburn took home oscar gold for times, winning her first 1932, back-to-back wins in 1967 and 1968, a big gap.

for the last time in 1981. the actress with the most oscar nominations is meryl streep, landslide. often called the best actress ever. seventeen nominations supports the claim. thirteen * including last year for her portrayal of margaret thatcher in the iron lady. the most nominated person of all time is not an actor or actress. walt disney with a ridiculous 59 nominations. one last fact, kevin o'connell, a sound mixer, the most nominations without a wind, 20. still to come, my "2 cents more" on another round of a lunch box tops. will 2013 be another year of an even playing field for small investors. what you need to know about your money. were going to tell you next. ♪

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♪ gerri: new year, new challenges for the small investor, but we have you covered with up-to-date market analysis to get you off and running. scott martin -- scott martin, chief market analyst joining me now. tell me about your outlook for 2013. are you optimistic? what sectors are you looking at? >> i think things look pretty good. the only thing i would caution people about is, it is going to be a bumpy ride. bring your seat belt, but i like things that are working. look at cyclical names like industrials, pharmaceuticals, consumer discretionary, if you can believe it. i think a lot of those things go up in 2013 because i think the market goes up. gerri: you sound like bette davis.

fasten your seat belts, its plan to be a bumpy ride. fourth quarter coming in. earnings. up to that in -- too optimistic were too pessimistic? >> i think that is a little rich on optimism. close. i don't think it will be down 1%, but i think over to is all little high. i love bette davis. tom kearns is one of my favorite songs. how did you know? gerri: you're older than you look. less talk about dividend stocks because i no you're all about still after all this time and all this talk, still all about the dividend stocks. why? >> crazy after all these years. the funny thing is, you have to be careful about dividend stocks all tell you why, and this is something you bring up on the show that is important that people should listen to. and so many people are into something, that's when you want to be out of it. look back at the tech bubble of 99 in 2000. you could not stop. it realistic and financials.

2005-2006, going to the sky. dividend paying stocks, hotter than a david cairns girlfriend. that is-you want to be careful of because eventually it ends and it is badly. gerri: okay. thanks for that. appreciate that. you think it is badly. you getting into that out of this now or are you waiting? >> that's a good question. you stay in them because of tell you what, all other things are important. the 10-year treasury yield, even though it is raised, still at 2%. if you look at a dividend paying stocks at three, four, 5%, and a crushing the treasury note. corporations as we now are sitting on a record amount of cash. what are they going to do? not doing stock buybacks because the markets are at an all-time high. they're paying those in dividends. that's a good reason to all stocks. gerri: small investors who want to move the ball down the field, a little football analogies as

he boarded up, but do you suggest they do? one of the takeaways? what should they be preparing for. this could be an ugly couple of months in the economy, and it's going to be interesting to see how it plays of the stock market. >> your good. there are a couple of dividend paying etf that i like. that is a great dividend paying etf. gerri: dividends. >> they have been working. another high-dividend paying etf. you're not picking one. you're picking a bunch. it is a basket. i like that, especially as you go into a volatile time. gerri: we are in the end zone. another football analogy. all right. thank you for coming on. always great to have you in the show. they do so much. >> see you. bye-bye. >> all right. gerri: to stay in business back in 1901 that the first major oil well was discovered in taxes. you know about this.

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dell has the technology and services to help you solve it. >> as we talked about at the start of the show, borrowers can pay alone that they take out at times. what do you think? was the housing bust caused by bad lenders or borrowers? this is what some of your posting. dan says that i feel that the borrowers deserve more of the blame for getting in over their heads and not understanding what they were signing. amen to that. david wrote us and said lenders gave out loans to people who can't pay it back. that is also true. 54% said that borrowers. it's an interesting split. log onto