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melissa: i'm melissa francis and here's what's "money" tonight. balancing the budget takes center stage on capitol hill after the president says it is not a priority. doug holtz-eakin, former head of the cbo tells congress you can't afford not to do it and it will give a huge boost to jobs and the economy. doug joins us to break it all down. plus the government dumps key crop reports this year all thanks to the sequester. that means pricing chaos for milk and other products. a top commodities trader tells us how bad it could get for you. the dirty secret for electric cars. they are supposed to save us

money and save the earth but they're more expensive than you think. one of "time" magazine's most influential people in the world is here to explain exclusively why. even when they say it's not, it is always about money melissa: so we've got to start with today's market moment. we keep breaking record. get this, it is getting ridiculous. u.s. jobless claims fell unexpectedly give investors a fresh dose of optimism about the economy. the dow closed at a record high for the 8th straight day. it has posted gains for ten straight sessions. the dow is on the its longest winning streak since 1996. the nasdaq also hit a new 12-year high. the s&p 500 is now less than two points away from hitting it all-time highs. our top story tonight, the rapidly balancing --

ballooning debt on what is being done about it or not being done about it. our national debt is the $16 trillion right now and everyone and their mother knows it is having serious consequence for the economy. we've got to fix this problem! douglas holtz-eakin, former director of the congressional budget office. he testified before congress on the dire need to reduce the debt and balance the budget. great to have you on show, doug. >> thank you. melissa: anything going to come from the hearing today? >> we can hope the wakeup call will be listened to. the committee will not issue legislation. we're beginning the debates over the budget in the house and senate. my biggest hope the white house will get serious about this. the president will take on some leadership and put out a budget that shows coming to balance like the house has. it isn't just a political slogan like we see in the senate. melissa: i only hope some people are persuaded by your math because you guys really got out there today and you did a quantitative analysis why this is such a big problem. i don't think you can

convince the president but maybe you can convince, you know, some other congressman and women around the edges. one of the things you put out there that is really compelling that when the ratio of debt-to-gdp exceed 90% you shave a full percentage point off gdp, right? talk to me about that. >> this is the great burden of the debt. it is not hypothetical. not something we worry about with our children or our children's children. it is here and now. countries with debt larger than 90% of their economy. in our case it is larger than 100% of our economy pay a growth penalty. the growth penalty is about a percentage point a year. in this economy that means a million jobs a year. means income for the average family. giving up a raise you might otherwise have. we need to address that. there is mo he no more more important issues than growth. melissa: how about the mechanics of that happen? when you listen to people on the other side of the debate right now by variety if you of the government spending money they're replacing

demand that doesn't exist, they're fueling economy, growing the economy, creating jobs. you're saying mathematically the opposite. where do you get that from? >> it is just common sense. we have a lot of debt and it is growing rapidly. ask somebody about to locate a business in the united states, expand a business and hire a worker say to them, okay, we'll not change our spending plans. future? you see in the there are really two futures. future number one is where we do nothing, we went straight into financial crisis like 2008 which drags down the economy and that's not a growth strategy. future number two is, you don't change the spending which means you have to raise taxes to avoid a big debt crisis. then you have to raise the top marginal tax rate to 92% in order to close the gap. there is no way you're going to get a business to invest with a 92% tax rate. high taxes are disaster. i mean look, melissa, open a business in a world with high taxes or disaster, which would you pick? that's where we are.

melissa: i hear you. what were the some of the things you heard from other people on the panel that were persuasive? when you looked out in the audience, were people listening? were they writing things down or empty chamber no one is really paying attention? >> well, here's the good news. the panel consisted of republicans, democrats, academics and former senator judd gregg and there isn't one person on the panel who did not say we have a problem and that problem is urgent. it should be dealt with now. we might disagree to the degree spending is the top issue and taxes can deal with it but no one is there saying hey, do nothing. that's what makes me most nervous about the president's claim that our debts are not a problem. that we can just stablize the deficit as a fraction of gdp. all of that is condemning us to a future of persistent high debt and threat of slow growth and crisis. melissa: that is exactly what he says. all we need to do is stablize the debt. we don't need to reduce it. why do you not believe that is correct? >> because the debt is

extremely high as you point out. stablizing at a very high level says we're content with a growth penalty. we're content to grow slowly and we're content to be on the edge of a crisis. it is like saying i'm not worried about driving off the cliff. i will drive along the edge of it with two wheels on and two wheels off and we'll be fine. i think it is too risky. we ought to be serious about faster growth and a legacy to the next generation. melissa: what do we have to do to really reduce the debt burden down the road? do we need to cut spending or reverse entitlements? do we have raise taxes to get this done? >> number one thing to fix the enlightment programs, is ask the question how will medicare look for the next generation? it will not be there. it has $300 billion in red ink. it has hundreds of thousands of seniors every day. once we decide how the social safety net will work so it doesn't bankrupt america and put sensible

national security strategy, put in a sensible infrastructure strategy, these are all parts of growth. at that point we need to pay bills. do tax reform that raises revenue for small, efficient government. that is strategy we heard across the board today. melissa: doug, thanks for coming on. we appreciate your time. >> thank you. melissa: here is the question of the day, can a balanced budget increase more jobs and increase economic growth? most of you say it can. a few say we can't be as much worse off than we are now so we may as well try it. we want to hear from more of you. like us on facebook.co facebook.com/melissafrancisfox or follow me on twitter at melissa a francis. to potential panned ammonium in the milk markets. the fda is sounding the alarm. they're suspending ten agriculture reports unyou had chrooing the critical milk production report that the dairy industry uses for

marketing decisions. experts say this could wreak havoc on the industry. we'll all feel it no matter which way it goes. we're joined by phil flynn, with price futures group and a fox news contributor. give me the market perspective. how important are the reports? i'm thinking of what was that movie, "trading places" and waiting for the orange crop report. >> i know. you will have traders walking around like zombies waiting for something to happen that isn't -- this is dangerous. the traders will walk the streets not knowing to put their hands this way or that way. it will be a lot of confusion. to be honnest the people really concerned are dairy farmers themselves. they will get upset right now. traders find a way to make the best out of a bad situation but, you know at the end of the day it is these farmers that are producing the milk, producing the cheese, that

make decisions on their livelihood based upon these reports. depending which way these reports go they may produce more milk. they may produce less. they may produce more cheese. if they don't do that correctly, you know that may put them out of business or it could lead to serious financial loss. so for them it's bad. for traders they will probably find something else to trade. melissa: it strikes me as ridiculous because we go through the list of sort of things that are being put on hold because of the sequester and things that aren't. at least ten ag reports from the usda are not going out. remind me of meat and poultry safety inspections we're not doing. >> right. melissa: and white house tours. at the same time, you know we're doing sugar bailout we talked about here on the show yesterday. we're spending $50 million on new uniforms for the tsa. it just, and we've got the two new combat ships out there as well. sort of, unclear to me how we're deciding what we're doing and what not. but sound like you think this is big deal.

go ahead. >> well, no. they're deciding these things where they can cause the most frustration for people. melissa: oh. >> so the president gets his way. if people start to get upset and think that this, you know the spending cuts actually, make their day more difficult, you know, they're hoping for this huge uproar, to force everybody to see things the president's way. you know, but i think in reality, it is causing a lot of anger from people that are being inconvenienced, for the wrong reason. you know, listen, tell you what, when it comes to the grain reports, if you're a catfish farmer not getting that report that's a big deal but for most americans that isn't. but from a larger --. melissa: for milk it is a big deal? for somebody that buys a lot of milk for the household every week what does it mean to me? >> it could go either way. if milk producers think that the demand is stronger than it really is they will produce milk. it will end up getting wasted and thrown away if it is knot bought.

the other way it could lead to shortages down the road. you know, in the beginning, so it could drive prices dramatically higher or dramatically lower because they can't get the information. it is going to make the market less efficient. it will make the dairy farmers focus more on things that, you know, easy, spend more time it trying to get information on the type of business they need to do as opposed to actually doing business. so it is just going to make their life more difficult. melissa: luckily we'll have the new tsa uniforms. so -- >> i've seen those uniforms. they need new uniforms. they're bad. melissa: phil flynn, thanks so much. >> thanks, melissa. melissa: next on "money" a new documentary aims to knock out the nuclear energy industry but is it a lot of hot water? dennis kucinich and his wife elizabeth are behind it. they're here to explain. it is fascinating. you don't want to miss it. visit the doctor, get free groceries. did you hear about this? did the government okay kick backs to lure medicare

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♪ . melissa: so a new documentary called, hot water, gives up sight into a pretty hot issue in our country today, nuclear power. executive producer elizabeth couscous takes viewers through the ins and outs of the controversial energy source. critics slam it for being dirty unsafe and expensive but is nuclear power getting a bad rap? here on "money" we give viewers all the facts. joining me is elizabeth and her former, -- husband and former congressman dennis kucinich. nation for joining us. i don't know why you took this but why did you decide to do this? >> being a passion of one of my friends liz rogers traveling around the united states really on a discovery and started doing a documentary called, on sacred ground. while she found populations are ravaged by cancer. she found out the reason they're averaged by cancer

because literally spigot is hot. the tapwaterer coming out from their homes and wells contaminated with high levels of radioactive particles from mining, uranium mining for the nuclear industry she decided to make an entire film about this. so i have been working with her to make this film happen and, very happy to say that it premiered this week at the environmental film festival in washington, d.c.. melissa: so, dennis, the real point is, these are uranium mines no longer being used and have con tan nated -- contaminated groundwater nearby or why is this a issue we generally don't talk about? >> it is a public health issue. if water supplies are being contaminated from past or present uranium mining, if water supplies have been contaminated in the past from nuclear ex-bows shuns that went underground and fractured bedrock and radio activity went into the underground water supplies this is public health issue.

it is important now because, one of the things liz rogers did in the picture, she did readings of the near the colorado river in utah where the radiation was 1600 times the level of background radiation and, that's, that's the radiation at the water, source of water for the colorado river. melissa: you're talking about a particular place where there is a particular ppoblem that the department of energy has in fact recognized and they put in place a cleanup deadline of 2019. they have already started removing four million tons. have been removed about one-fourth, i think that is what we're watching there, about one-fourth of the contamination. why do you think you need it bring more awareness to something that they have acknowledged that they are cleaning up? >> well, that is one area that you're showing there. but, every day millions of gallons of water goes through these piles and they are going into the rivers and irv ares servicing millions of people across

the southern states of united states. this is not a contained issue at all. that is one of the sites. there are thousands of sites up and down the country. the cleanup costs approximately a billion dollars per year for each of these sites. when you're talking about debt this is an extraordinary issue. but it is not only on mines that have already been closed. this is an issue about mine claims and the issue of mining which is happening every day across the united states and when they talk about the mining that is taking out the uranium material, in the leech mining, there is the idea while it is contained closed loop system. what the documentary actually uncovers it is not. it is polluting large bodies of water. we talk about the aquifer for example, that starts in north dakota and goes through seven states and goes through texas that is enormous number of people with the water for drinking. melissa: i don't want to

interrupt you i, but i want to make sure we get all the material you want more places to test water for uranium and radiation. we see that happening in nebraska and new jersey but not a lot of other places? >> we need a good conversation about our energy policy in the united states. a lot of people are discussing and saying well, nuclear energy is the energy. future but that it is green and clean and doesn't contribute to climate change. yeah, it might not contribute to climate change but it is by no means green and not clean and absolutely is not healthy. what the documentary does it really shows the extraordinary health effects that have ravaged coomunities. you know, when you look at the --. melissa: don't you think there is a way to do this more responsibly? what we're talking about are things we're now going back an cleaning up near these urrnium mines. couldn't this be done more responsely in the future? does it mean we have to get rid of nuclear energy? >> film really doesn't draw conclusions finally about

nuclear energy. the viewer can draw their own conclusion. >> okay. >> at the inception the uranium mining has, has radioactive contamination of water supplies as one of its outputs. at the end of the line when the uranium is processed and used and fuel is spent, there is no place it store this. it is not safe. it is a threat to water supplies all over the country. so this is a, an energy source which has not lived up to its billing of being too cheap to meter. -phas environmental consequencee and while the film itself is not about getting rid of nuclear power, it does raise health issues of consequences of uranium mining. >> and what we have to do with france. they recycle it. in this country they're still trying to figure out what to do. unfortunately we're out of time. we'll check out the movie. dennis and liz couscous, hot water, thank you for coming on. >> thank you. melissa: we have to get

breaking news real quick on senate reports on london whale trading losses. sandra smith is here and she has details. what are the details we're learning right now? >> this london whale not dead yet. the debach kel continues and jpmorgan has been taken to task in the latest senate report. headlines coming out of that report including jpmorgan misled regulators and investors about these whale trading losses, that came in at over $6 billion according to the report. a couple of senators chiming in in this report. carl levin saying jpmorgan, quote, hid losses and dodged oversight. senator john mccain also included in the report calling jpmorgan losses a massive failure by bank government. a regulatory official is in the report calling jpmorgan trade make-believe voodoo magic. jpmorgan's own words in the report saying that management quote, acted in

good faith and did not intend to mislead. and again those loss, melissa, exceeded $6 billion. so some very intense language being used in this latest senate report on the london whale. melissa: all ahead of hearings tomorrow. sandra smith. thank you so much. >> thank you. melissa: coming up on "money", how about free groceries with that checkup? the government does a 180 on kick back rules to lure medicare patients may open up a huge can of worms for taxpayers. here is a way to fund white house tours for kids. go after federal workers. they owe $3.5 billion in taxes. how do we get them to pay up? today's power panel has real solutions. do you have too much money? what's next?

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melissa: turning now to health care story that you haven't heard yet, washington guardian reports that the department of health and human services is allowing medicare provider to offer $20 grocery store gift cards to patients in order to coax them into taxpayer-funded health screenings. had hs acknowledges this kind of promotion could violate anti-kickback laws but won't punish the provider if any legal issues arise. listen to this, walgreens was fined almost $8 million for doing something similar. here to break it down, dr. mark siegel of the fox news medical a-team. so, this is crazy, right. first of all, you know there is in brooklyn there is shady doctors that give out a radio boom box. melissa: really? >> come in say you have back pain and do some test. that is not this. i don't like the background of this. where is the government's assumption that even if this was okay and ethical, which

i have a question about. but even if it was, what are you giving patients when they come in. where is the proof? melissa: health screening. maybe luring someone in who would not go to the doctor and convince them to have a flu shot which i know you love. >> i love that. >> you may be giving unnecessary ekg. x-ray they don't need. and shelled out to and a little underhanded save better pay that back right away. the government is always assuming that these big medical checkups are cost-effective and for the patients did. neither is in the subsidy should make. depends on the doctor. i try to over test. some doctors are afraid of malpractice. better get everything done. the idea of lowering them in with some kind of a visit to the get is this going to cost the taxpayer money.

even if a gift certificate doesn't cost the taxpayers money, the medical checkable. melissa: this seems -- would you feel awkward about this? this is something very unsavory about this idea that they're going out and buying a $20 starbucks card, you know, come on in the menendez case the grocery store in trying to get people to come in. it seems like a giveaway at your doctor's office. there is a something tawdry about it. >> your agreement something i didn't even think of, the role of the doctor that you perceive your doctor. here is his white coat and a freshly starched, stethoscope and then gives a gift certificate. so odd. it undermines what the physician would want to be appearing like. melissa: of the same tonnage 90 people to come in for regular visits. that is a good thing. >> i think it's a good idea for patients to come in a regular basis. i don't have any patients in my practice that i want to see less than once a year. when obamacare came in there was this whole idea that there

should be some kind of a preventive check up, especially with medicare. have a problem with that. is not however practiced. i use the yearly physical with have not seen the patient. nothing but the copay should be getting rid of. add one thing that everyone should automatically get all of the screenings. depends on the patient. melissa: and immediately years perk up when you hear medicare because we're hearing about more and more doctors who don't want to accept new medicare patients because of the rate at which they are being repaid, and here they are trying to lure more medicare patients sen. is that states? >> that is planning to the point that if you pay your $20 where you getting it back from? now quit sequestration they're losing another 2% on top. melissa: almost a necessity must be something going on. >> which i don't like. medicare is not paying you much

more than that. you know what to do unnecessary tests. melissa: and it's yucky. >> i get my patients to come in when they need to see me. you need to give certificates for that. melissa: next, federal workers of three and a half billion dollars in back taxes. plenty of people are complaining about it. here on "money," when the government runs wild we figure out iran in an. it is a job for today's power panel. the 100 most influential people. piles of "money" electric cars and gift cards coming up. one not? ♪

♪ melissa: we have the "money" update on a story we told you about yesterday of federal workers and retirees to all more than three and a half billion in back taxes. that was as of the end of september of 2011. not to be outdone, we have learned that federal contractors are more than $5 billion in unpaid taxes. they keep getting new government contracts. how is that possible? is our newest case of government gone wild. our money power panel will solve the problem. why not? fox business one and only charles payne is with us at the

dublin, director of budget and regulatory policy with americans for tax reform. welcomes all of you to the show. i already heard, you know, one congressman in washington saying that we need to a garnish federal contracts so they go back out. if those contractors of back taxes. it's so absurd. it really is. all of these stories of than the regular person. melissa: that is why we're talking about it. >> it really is. part of a larger picture. i think the first thing is you should not necessarily qualify for more business from the government if he had not paid the government taxes. melissa: what do you think? >> i will disagree. it's hard to believe. he's right.

nobody likes anybody you bites the hand that feeds them. take our money in government contracts and then refuse to pay your share of taxes. that is insane. one thing, now you have a representative that is introduced a bill that would get people fired from within the government. melissa: one not? >> you have to stick with the law. there is a distinction between tax avoidance and tax evasion. most of the federal employees, was looking at the numbers, they did file their tax return. they are not trying to evade taxes. so, you know, sometimes there is an honest disagreement, which was the case. so let's be a little bit careful melissa: to me, it always shows me how disorganize the government is. the largest group of workers were from the post office. there were not up-to-date on their taxes. wondering, while one hand as panama can't the other hand, and and garnish their wages, even a little bit to pay the taxes? >> and this is a top down problem. we have a treasury secretary you had back taxes as well and no

one seems to be very concerned about. this is a big issue that does not just extends to a certain group of federal workers. i think the interesting thing is that federal employees are by and large paid much more than their private-sector counterparts. the question is to wire we seeing the taxes owed to the government coming back in? think you're right. a lot of abuse of the system. maybe it's people who know how to better navigate the system, but it is certainly an issue that we should be looking at. i think it is difficult for democrats to continue to claim we need more revenue when they leave this kind of waste, fraud, and abuse on the table. we're talking about deficit reduction packages are any other grand bargain that they seem to want to have. melissa: that is where we get frustrated about all this nickel-and-diming, we are talking about the sequester, the different things that are not getting done right now at. for example, we were saying earlier in the show that we are not gone to seed crop reports coming in of the usda because they don't have the money to do it even that a sequester is going on. at the same time we see things like the budget and various

representatives that just came out for october and november, the amount of money we're spending and coffee and the like. everyone is guilty. for example, the house speaker racked up $2,204 coffee supply purchases during the month of november. and i'm wondering, you know, at a time when we are not doing these crop reports, what do you think? 2200. california republican majority whip kevin mccarthy's of the spent $2,500 that could double mexican grill in one day. that was a portion of the $10,000 in expenses. >> that's fine. unsaying everyone is guilty. >> everyone is guilty. is the pledge to washington d.c. last time i was there, no you go often, i felt like i was in dubai. for anyone to tell you there's not a spending problem is out of their mind. some much money in there. you know, a couple of grand on coffee supplies and a month.

i don't know how big the offices. and now he spends a lot of sleepless nights recently, but that's a lot of coffee. melissa: i don't understand, and you have these expenses when i launch for the staff. i pay for it myself. on expensive. why day dispensing this to the taxpayer? >> i want to know how this coffeyville stacks up against his bar tab. melissa: i don't think taxpayers are paying his march 10. >> actually, they are. melissa: we should not be paying for that either. here is the thing. >> it is just interesting that these republicans who are the paradigm of small government. melissa: everyone is guilty. what do you think? >> i will give you guys a little reason to help. everyone is not spending like drunken sailor. we had senator rand paul give back 500,000. other folks have filed suit. is just a matter of time until other two parties and concerts this gets done. melissa: you're right. panel, thank you so much.

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the battery takes up a lot of fossil fuels. fundamentally when you produce the car it's like you had already driven 8,000 miles. melissa: 8,000 miles. >> you have to drive and a lot. it's more efficient when you drive it compared to gasoline car, but you have to drive it very far in order to actually get ahead. melissa: is that just the manufacturing of the battery? >> that is the whole thing, but it is substantially more than what a conventional car, and only in its about 14,000 pounds compared to about 30,000 pounds of co2. you are well ahead of your emissions. you really have to up break up the miles before you actually even that up. melissa: you don't break even until you have given the car for 8,000 miles. >> actually, you have to get tough 60,000. thereafter you reduce emissions a little bit. nowhere near this zero emissions because your still plugging it into your outlook where you get it from fossil fuels, mostly in most of america. the fundamental point is, even if you drive it a very long

while, 90,000 miles in total hell you will inmate about 9 tons of co2 less. you know how much that is worth? $44 in avoided global warming damage. melissa: wow. so all that extra money, all that extra effort. >> we pay a lot of other things in subsidies. this does not mean that the electric car is not a great idea in the long run. is not a good idea right now. melissa: is just not the clean machine that everyone thinks it is. this is very common when you're talking about any kind of bring energy. whenever somebody is out there calculating how much it reduces the carbon footprint or how clean it actually is, they almost never take into account how much energy was used in the production of it, whether we are talking about wind turbines are we're talking about solar panels , nobody ever wants to talk about the production. much energy is used in the production him how much emissions are in the production, the cost that goes into it and also the power, where does the power come from that you use, that is generated in order to

make these things were to charge the battery. >> and for solar panels and wind turbines the big issue is what do you do when the sun doesn't shine of the wind doesn't blow? you still need to have backup power. in essence you're buying the power twice, the wind turbine but you're also buying the gas turbine that is backing a plan the wind is blowing. melissa: you wrote a huge article about this. >> it has been huge. a lot of people like the argument. obviously the people who are arguing for driving cars of i'm sure quite a number of the people who are driving electric cars a been saying, oh, but if you drive it much, much longer there are some studies and did a show you can drive it for 180,000 miles. it pays back well. that's true. you have to live in california than the sunken only drive 73 miles. you really have to -- you have to get back and recharge it. you really have to drive it very, very heavily. of course the battery declines,

just like your cellphone. he recharges over five years you will reveal to drive about 55 miles in total and then you have to get back and played in. melissa: eventually you'll have to buy any battery. >> in a new star all over again. melissa: wow. next up, a carnival, another one of its cruise ships turns into a caribbean nightmare. how can one company have such a hard time with this? details on how thousands of passengers have to get home next. you can never have too much "money" were too much dry land. ♪

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♪ >> time for spare change. we got david asman and the fabulous julie. you are fab fabulous. >> you have a great show tonight. >> and you. >> it's a good show. >> thank you. first up, just a moppet after its last nightmare, cairn -- carnival is back in the same boat titled dream ship with elevator and toilet issues causing waste overflow all over the flow. here's the kicker, the boat was docked and the crew wouldn't

allow anyone off for eight hours. now carnival is arriving for everyone to fly home. you think? are they doomed now? >> i've been on crystal line, like a knock down version -- i just think they are too damn big. they are so big dpsh what killed me is they were not allowing people to get off the boat and use the toilets on the dock, no, no, there's too many rules and regulations. these are so big, so many rules and regulars that if something goes wrong, it's a disaster. >> i'm never going on a cruise. i did it once, and i looked, and you can't get off the ship, no way. >> even when you are docked you can't get off. it's carnival, and they say it's because they are so big. >> it's a nightmare. it's literally stuff you dream about and wake up with a cold sweat. >> what happens to titanic 2 when it sails? >> of things to come. he's an interesting pair, putin

and steven segull are promoting a physical training program, first introduced under stalin, stalin! should be revived and should provide great benefits. an odd couple, but in great shape. - don't know, would you -- i mean, he's walking around with the shirt off, wrestling bears and lions. he seems like a workout oriented guy. >> he's not hot. he needs the shirt on. >> he thinks he is. >> men out there, listen to me. you're not as hot as you any you are. put on the shirts. >> are you going to weigh in david? >> not as hot as he thinks he is, but he's a dictator: face it, he's a dictator. >> isn't that what you want kicking your ass in a workout, a dictator?

who is better? >> that's a great reason. >> sleep with a dog and wake up with flees. putin has the better end. they like celebrities around to give themselves a sense of legitimacy. somehow in the world stage, they think that it gives themself a sense of legitimacy. he's used -- run away as fast as you can. >> dennis rodman on tap. he's going to russia next, let's go. >> that will happen and another great workout video. all right. now on -- mcdonald's unvailed a new sandwich, yolk free version of the ceo mcfluff -- mcmuffin, but it's 40 calories less, is it worth it? 260 calories. >> get more by breathing than eating this thing, but i'll bet if it tastes good and, you know, if it tastes good,