and happy. >> i will be very ungrateful for doing that. ererererererererererererererere, very happy easter. ♪ lou: good evening, everybody. thank you for being with us on this could friday. president obama today on the road campaigning for even more federal spending. president obama pushing congress for more than $20 billion in infrastrucre spending that he is proposing, despite the nearly $100 billion that his stimulus has already to have already allocated to so-called shovel-ready projects. this new round of proposed spending is expected to be included in the president's budget, one that is already two months late, not expected to be made public until april 10th at the earliest.

incredibly, president obama telling congrs that this proposal should not b a partisan issue. >> this should not be a partisan idea. you know, i know washington people just like to argue. i guess it gets them on tv. but the fact is, you have the chamber of commerce and the afl-cio agreeing to a better infrastructure, knowing thatt it will of both businesses and workers. if you have a chamber and the unions agreeing and the politicians should be allowed to agree, to. lou: in other words, he just wants everyone to agree because the chamber of commerce and the afl-cio do so. not every american, mr. president, want to follow the lead of the chamber of commerce or the afl-cio. and on at least one level mr. obama is right. it should not be a partisan issue because neither political

party should be calling for higher spending when the federal government is running almost trillion dollar deficits and the national debt amounts to almost $70 trillion. that does not seem to me to be a partisan issue and all, just one of common sense and good judgment and responsibility. the center of the president's plan is based on government, again, picking and choosing winners, a process that has been laughably ineffective and unsuccessful in the failed ener long program. remember solyndra? and president obama laying out his latest spending proposal of taking a predictable partisan shot at congress. >> first, we will set up an independent fund that will attract private investment to build procts like this one and make sure companies share in the rest of returns, instead of picking projects based on pork bill politics, we will take them based on how much good will actually do for the economy. and a members of congress are happy to welcome projects like

this in the district because i have seen him at the ribbon cuttings. lou: now he is calling for more pork barrel spending. great. super. meanwhile, the "wall street journal" reported the administration is strongly considering cuts to entitlement benefits. in exchange, talk about predictable and partisan, in exchange for higher taxes. the president's proposal which is sure to anger some democrats as well as most republicans would include reductions of future medicare, medicaid command social security payments by restricting inflation adjustments if the republicans gave on eliminating tax breaks and loopholes which would generate the revenue that the president always seems to be craving. also here tonight and immigration reform being debated behind closed doors in secret without input or voice for every day americans who are expected to, of course, simply obey our masters and the law were those

who are paid to enforce it. national immigration and customs enforcement council president chris green joins us here tonight. wall street closing bell was a record first quarter with all-time highs in the dow and s&p 500. we will be joined by ubs chief economist. he is here to show us the road ahead. a big win for the defense team. yes, i said for the defense. "dobbs law" taking the case up with two attorneys. well, let's turn first to the president and his call for increased spending. he was in florida today. the environmental protection agency proposing new regulations on gasoline which would raise the price of gas by as much as $0.9 per gallon. fox news senior white house correspondent with our report. >> reporter: as the president headed to miami to propose infrastructure spending and but got a cool reception from republicans on capitol hill, the epa proposed new regulations for

cleaner gasoline and less polluting cars that drew hot combination from the oil industry. critics claim bad timing. >> i would say only if gasoline prices were really love and the economy were booming does that sound like a reasonable proposition. >> reporter: epa says the gasoline change reducing sulphur by two-thirds would not go into effect for four years and would have the pollution impact o taking 30 million cars off the road. the agency says the change would cost about a penny per gallon. critics say it would be more like a dime. the epa says 29 of the nation's 111 refineries already meet the sulfur standard in only 16 would need major modifications. public citizen's think the industry is exaggerating the cost. >> this is kind of game that people play if you don't want to -mbark upon the required necessary investments in refining infrastructure you paint a doom and gloom scenario.

>> reporter: officials say the changes would prevent tens of thousands of child respiratory ailments since a 2400 lives per year, but obama congressman wants proof of that. >> my child has as much. i get this. and the stand this, but you cannot just make a unilateral declaration and have some capricious new regulation come out that actually does not have the real effect other than just raising prices. >> reporter: automakers support the changes but oil industry says tat is because the country would use the same gasoline coast to coast. >> we all know what the cost of gasoline is in california. that is what will be facing the american public. >> reporter: meanwhile, president obama toward the tunnel being built with the partnership the public and private funds to offload containerships more efficiently. he once similar partnerships across the country to rebuild the nation's infrastructure and put construction workers back on the job. >> there is work to be done. workers are ready to do it. let's prove to the world that there is no better place to do business than right here in the united states of america.

let's get started rebuilding america. >> reporter: house speaker called the president's day christmas in miami and accused the president of having a lofty goal but not be telling how to pay for it. lou: thank you very much. fox news senior white house correspondent. the union representing immigration and customs enforcement agents charged by both the obama administration and a gang of eight senators who are negotiating in secret on immigration reform, the ice union simply asking to have their concerns heard by the gang of a, maintaining the department of homeland security has repeatedly undermined their ability to enforce new immigration law. officers placed in a position of having the choose between following the law or risk losing their jobs. joining us now is chris crane. the president of the national immigration and doesn't -- customs enforcement counsel representing more than 7,000

immigration and cuoms enforcement agencies, agents, and employees. chris, it is good to have you here. you have reached out to the obama administration. he reached up to the gain of eight. you would think if anybody wanted to hear what you and the representatives of those agents had to say it would be those folks who are trying to change the law. what is going on? >> i don't know. i mean, from our perspective you would have thought that they would have invited us. we would have had a seat at the table from the very beginning. he knows more about immigration law and the problems of we are having, whether it be down on the border, and interior enforcement, worksite enforcement. you knows that better than the officers and agents that the u.s. border patrol prosecuting attorneys, why are they not at the table? you know, why is it simply representatatives five big interests, special interests,

interests rates groups, the afl-cio. why aren't rank-and-file officers and agents at the table to get this thing fixed? lou: we have reported here. the sun life foundion just came out with the report. nineteen out of 20 organizations lobbying over the course of the past five years in washington. a dozen reports, 6700 of them lobbying and pertain to immigration, border secity. guess what, in every instance, 19 of the 20 of them, at least, they come in factional were calling for looser immigration laws, more open border, and a lobbying effort itself which amounts to one and a half billion dollars in which there is certainly access to the gang of eight to this president, the leaders of this congress. it is all about doing the opposite of what many people would like to see, which is, according to every survey, greater border security and a

rational, effective, he made immigrion plan that does not move lawful immigrants to the back of the line. >> i'm sorry. did you want me to comment on that? >> i would appreciate it if you would. >> yes. i mean, i don't know a lot about the different lobbying groups that are out there. up on mail and what they're doing, what i do know is that this does have to start with strong reinforcement. i think everybody in the american public, as you said, knows that this has to start a stronger enforcement. in the united states right now we have about 5,000 immigration agents of the interior in 50 states trying to come you know, enforce the laws against 11 million in the lens. we are set up for failure from the word gond now we have an administration that will let us enforce the law at all. we are no longer allowed to enforce basic, fundamental immigration laws such as illegal

entry and visa overstate. and so why should americans have any confidence that these future laws are goingo be any different, that we will actually be able to enforce the laws that apply on the books? lou: uni both know, and that the most people watching and listening know that what this is about is, you know, simply wrapping it up and putting a lot , consequences behind us, opening the border, and losing our immigration law to the point that it is accommodating at least 11 million illegal immigrants. ice agents are suing the director of the agency, john morgan. homeland security secretary for not -- well, for actually keeping them from enforcing the law. how can this go without considerably more discussion? the very agents who are charged with the enforcement of the law are suing their leaders to stop them from preventing the enforcement of the law. how can this go on with that

seemingly much public comment at all? >> i could not agree with you more, and there has been more discussion from us in front of congress talking about all the different problems we're having within the agency. our hands are completely tied and we're not allowed to enforce the law. the agencies are basically misleading and lying to the public and congress about what is happening within the realm of immigration enforcement command that they did is even bigger than just the immigration agents as you said, the american people have to see this. they he to have some time to digest this. our congressmen and senators on the hill, they need to have time to debate this. this is to be transparent and open for everyone in america so that we know that it gets done right this time. lou: you heard homeland security secretary said that the border is secure. never been more resources. ice director john morton, mean,

saying that there are only 2,000 folks who have been released, all the a phelps, four of whom will have been recaptured, new had criminal records. is morton, are they lying? >> i think there absolutely misleading the public at best. our officers out in the field protested these releases. we believe that more and more of these 2,000 people that were released were actual criminals. beaches and by seven very good at using their words so that they can mislead the public and put out a completely different story with regard to what happened. for instance, with those 2,000 prisoners we think that ny of those were, at minimum, rested for a very serious criminal charges but were not actually convicted yet. they've never been in front of a

court of law. but ice is trying to spin this to say that there was no public threat and they are not criminals because ice is now the fighting a criminal to be someone that had to have been convicted of a crime. they ignore the fact that, you knowmany of these local jails and county simply don't have the funds to hold these prisoners in their jails. did not have the money to prosecute them, so they turn them over to us without seeing a judge and then they expect us to call them on criminals and treat them as not criminals. lou: the president of the national ice council. i would like you to come back, if you can, next week, so we can continue this. a lot to cover. this is an outrage against law. it is an outrage against the american people, and we would like to talk about a further with you if you could join us next week. we appreciated, and we wish you a terrific weekend. pinkie. >> thank you. lou: much more on the closed-door immigration reform

initiations drought this broadcast. the american people not invited, not wanted in this discussion. the sequestered one month old. the white house still closed to urists. what about all of those horrible, terrible things that the obama administration told us what happened? we have a little reality check for the obama white house coming right up. ♪ confidence is building. theconomy is strengthening. the markets are at record highs. what happens next? ubs chief economist tells us what summer holds in store. ♪

♪ lou: consumer confidence on the rise. markets at all-time highs.

chief economist maury harris gives us his view of this improving economy and the outlook here in just moments. the markets are closed today for good friday. a day after both the dow and s&p said new records. tonight, good economic news to top off what has been a good week for stocks. consumer confidence in march climbing to the highest level since november. consumer spending up seven tenths of 1%, the biggest gn in five months. the agricultural department predicting farmers this year will plant the most corn since 1936. that's right, since 1936. more than 97 million acres of corn. that is a lot. growers looking to cash in on live prices by last year's record-breaking drought. not the worst to hit the country since the 1930's. prosecutors today charging a veteran portfolio manager for hedge fund advisers with

engaging in insider trading with to technology stocks. michael steinberg pled not guilty to allegations that he used insider trading to generate nearly one-and-a-half million dollars in profits for fox business, the firm founded by billionaire steven palin who himself has recently settled charges. consumer spending and confidence , the latest economic report to show the sequestered and expiration of the payroll tax cut have had little effect on an improving economy. joining me now with his you for , chief u.s. to economist for ubs investment research, maury harris. good to have you here. this looks like sequester was a non-event despite all of the chicken little nonsense from the president, his administration, and the democratic leaders. in the payroll tax cut on the other hand, raising 2% taxes across the board. that looks like it has not amounted to much. what do you think?

>> love, what has happened is that there was too much focus on what is going on in washington, and people forgetting that, you know, the most important thing in the economy is how the households and businesses be a. and we are starting to get that back to normal in the private sector. you know, for so long there have been all this talk about the new normal life. we could not do what we used to do. now we are getti back closer to normal. the house prices are turning around. the banks to lend money again. americans are going back to what they do best, which is mainly start businesses and spend. %-washington.the hell with the suggestion in the national media. all depended on what the senate does of the house of this president. the president a bit -- today demanding another $20 billion in infrastructure spending because he wants it. he says it is not a partisan issue and i think he is right. it is a silly issue.

this should not even be discussed when we have spinning at these levels. >> welcome a $20 billion is a drop in the bucket. it is not going to make a great deal of difference. obviously the businesses were going to build this stuff and the workers are going to help build it, clearly they wanted. in terms of the overall direction of the economy and whether or not that extra 20 billion is going to make that much difference for, you know, the public infrastructure and the desirability for doing business in this country, at the margin it is not much. it is peanuts. lou: peanuts. the sequester is a joke. this is a president -- it will go through this and that will show everyone exactly what was said by this administration. some of the outrageous, just outrageously stupid and ignorant things that were promised. pier mongering and it's worse by this administration. what happens to open a change? what could this country be doing with positively years if we could look at all of these

records, these equity markets on this surge if we had strong, positive, confident leaders. what do you think? >> that is a hypothetical question because we don't have that, and you're not going to see it. but even with the problems in washington, and they cannot agree on things, even with that the public still wants to get ahead. businesses want to get ahead. consumers want to make up for lost time. they want to the buy automobiles and houses that they did not get to buy the last couple of years. we can only imagine what would happen with a better set of policies. we don't have it, but we're living with the. lou: quickly, the influence of your -- your outlook in terms of gdp growth in interest rates and the mark through the end of the year. >> we think the core that is just now was close to 3 percent of the gdp. and behind that, of inventory

building, but beyond that, getting beyond inventory building, we are seeing construction rovery. you're seeing underlying jobs recovered. and this is stock markets recovering. all of this starts to feed on itself. this is going to be the year when we really start to build some momentum. the private sector, it's far more important than anything going on in washington. lou: great to have you with this, as always. thanks. up next in a one month into the sequestered. asset which you what was going on with this administration and all the fear mongering on the part of the obama administration we will take a look at all the doom and disaster they predicted because of sometng called a sequester. in the "chalk talk." we do away with all that, well, silly bluster. ♪

♪ lou: it is a big day. we are one month, the one month

-- well, birthday of sequestered, you know, a sequester, you know, supposed to just destroy the economy and every one in this country along with it. shockingly enough, sequester turned out to be a scam. we, okay. did you believe it was only a few weeks ago that the democrats groud during the american people? over 40 sequesters. first of all, the word, it's sort of a silly -- is sort of a sissy were commended? it's supposed to feel that two and gloom. $44 billion, this fiscal year. and it was supposed to result in disaster. i just still cannot believe that this president campaigned on hope and change resorting to the fear mongering that he absolutely embraced for two months. $44 billion. an amount, by the way, that comes up just over 1% of our

retreat half trillion dollar federal budget this year. into that let's take a little trip down memory lane. remind you of what did not come to pass. one of the things, wild fires. that was supposed to be one of the results of sequestered. agricultural secretary tom bell sack pushing wild fires. the cause of sequestered the usda could not reduce the risk of wildfires in as many as 200,000 acres around the country. think with the interior department had to deal with. secondly, we will have more surprise -- i love this one -- hurricanes. now, these aren't -- this is not coming to you from some tabloid publication somewhere. for this weekend think our deputy commerce secretary, rebecca blank warning of

surprise hurricanes. she said quester would affect the government's ability to warn us about what we call high-impact weather events. thirdly, of course, you could not have much fear mongering defeated now bring aircraft into it. place falling out of the skies. you know, all kinds of delays. this was all because of $44 billion in sequester funding that was being stripped of the budget. the sequesters care courtesy of transportation secretary ray lahood brought in to push this political nonsense. he did not say literally place volume of the skies, heeimplied when he said sequester would bring calamity to air travel. and, of course, we have to have the war on drugs. and that would mean that you know, the streets would be paved with coke because we just could not enforce our drug laws.

and a navy commander actually issued the warning saying sequester would force the navy to suspend deployment of those drug busting ships in the caribbean and then, of course, we would have prison riots. you could not -- people just -- prisoners just flooding or stets. it was going to be horrible. the chief law-enforcement officer in the country was the one talking about that threat before moving money around in justice department accounts and finally was able to prevent the furloughs furloughs of federal prison staffers. this from eric holder, the sequester effect getting the most attention is the fact tha the white house doors are still close to the public. white house to worse. you know, the administration talks of making sure all the pain was obvious to the public so that they can get their way and sequestered. taurus,y the way, cost three nap billion dollars per year,

00,000 less than the obama annual white christmas vacation. just in case that does not stir your soul, we learned this week at the federal government is awarded in nearly $1 million grant, $1 million. you can throw the white house open for a few months for this. $1 million, that will be the size of a grant for researchers who are studying the sex habits of mind snails. got to my wish i could send more money. they're doing so much for us in the nation's capital. and going to send them some money, not much to monday. north korea drawing up plans for nuclear attacks against the -nited states. the "a-team" with the latest propaganda from the hermit kingdom. prices at the pump are falling, but that could change after the epa slam's new regulations on refiners. a road rage incident turns

bloody. one man faces serious jail time. "dobbs law" on the cas

lou: breaking news. the former superintendent of the atlanta public schools ended nearly three dozen other educators tonight indicted in what is believed to be the biggest cheating scandal in our country's history. former superintendent beverly hall faces several charges, including racketeering, making false statements and theft. she denies the allegations. state investigations that began in 2011 fell nearly 180 atlanta educators gave answers to students or changed answers on standardized tests in order to improve scores. teachers to try to report the cheating scandals face retaliation fring what

investigators described as a districtwide culture of fear and intimidation. critical new developments in the murder trial, domestic violence would this maintaining that she is a battered woman. despite objections from the prosecution the judge allowed that expert to testify about e-mails that she read which claimed that the victim was abusive to women. joining us tonight, former defense attorney, fox is contributor, former prosecutor, now federal defense attorney. thank you all for being here. is this coming in your judgment a correct ruling by the judge to permit this? >> well, her is the thing. i am a little surprised at how far the judge went because experts can use anything to base their opinion, anything which oftentimes is hearsay. being allowed to testify to the content of the e-mails, even though the prosecutors

objecting. i am surprised that judge is letting a lot of that in. i think that it is a little shocking, what is coming in. >> what she said is right on. in other words, an expert can base an opinion on a box of tissue paper, but if the tissue paper is not admissible, then the jury cannot hear about it. they can say am basing it on the tissue paper. this is what the mill say. lou: almost as if the judge stop the defense needed a little help here. i mean, at least that's telexed to a layman like me. one of the things that is very clear is this is a very long, torturous, irresponsibly long trial. it is also incredibly expensive. the defense putting forward a motion to keep the cost of this trial away from the public and from the jurors in particular. they're talking about a million and half dollars. it's crazy.

>> and that is just on the defense side. the prosecution, the clerks, the court offices, and the judge. it is that death penalty case. the most important type of case that we have in the nation. they have said, the defense team have but over 15,000, almost 16,000 hours into this. lou: 15,580. >> a lot of time. >> actually, what they are charging is to order and $50 per hour which honestly is not that much. a lot of experts cut their rate for death penalty cases. lou: what i have seen of the expert witnesses, but never paid. >> the person well over. >> if the attorney charges, two under and $50 an hour, any lawyer charging a minimum of $4 per hour. lou: i want to show you this video and get your reaction because this is going to be a trial, it looks like. north carolina rage. like and what happens.

this is walking into these two teenagers. keypunches one. they're respond as you see there. the video being shot by one of their friends in the back of a pickup. this is the man's life turnaround the car. holding in her hand a weapon. he picks it up, pointed. you will see it, but he did fire around. this case obviously. i mean, this is rage madness. how much trouble is that driver, that men who held a weapon in his income how much trouble alexian? >> he is in a lot of trouble because of the fact that from what i understand he evenfall of these kids. he is with his wife and child. a judge, jury is going to be outraged and horrified by that. by the grace of god he did not kill someone, the teenagers are an innocent person shooting a

tire and causing a horrible accident. >> what comes to my mind is florida. what a difference when you have the video and when you don't. if you took the gun and put one of those kids chest and killed them. in the public opinion would be like. actually see the video, the people's accounts. have a good weekend. >> thank you. lou: join the conversation here at loudobbs.com. the star facebook page. e-mail me. tweet me. up next, new threats out of north korea. a little fellow over there is making some really big threats. we will show you what is happening in response next. ♪

♪ lou: billions of christians around the world celebrating good friday, marking the day jesus christ was crucified.

vatican city, pope francis presided over is first good friday massenet after becoming the first catholic to wash the feet of both christians and muslims. in jerusalem hundreds of christians retracing the traditional route tat jesus took his crucifixion. in the philippines devoted catholics re-enacted the crucifixion of jesus, spending several minutes delta crosses in an annua ritual. almost daily threats now coming from north korea, the number three and later, his country's missile units and rocket units are on standby to attack u.s. military bases in south korea and the pacific. his move comes one day after a nuclear capable u.s. -- to bomber dropped in nerd munitions on a range in south korea to make a point that during joint military drills with south korea . the white house dismissed today's developments in the

united states is both capable and willing to defend its interests in the region. and in philadelphia tonight a man is being called a hero, risking his life for a stranger. surveillance video, as you see here, showing the good samaritan jumping down, a 63 year-old man tumbled off the platform without seemingly thinking even twice. he jumped onto the trackto help the man. shutting to fellow passengers to tell the trade officials to stop the trade, knowing that another train is just moments away. he even stayed with the victim, holding his head and neck stable until the medics and firefighters could arrive. no word on what caused the man to fall onto the tracks, but he was hospitalized and is listed tonight in stable condition. up next, after spending nearly $100 billion on infrastructure in his firstmulus program, the president today called for another 21 billion. what did he do that? we will take up the "a-team." judith miller, john fund,

stephen murphy next.

♪ lou: with us now, the "a-team" led by pulzer prize-winning journalist fox is contributor judith miller, american spectator senior editor, fox is contributor, democratic campaign consultant. good to have you here. let's start with the president says seemingly, i would say, a firm response to the threats with b5 twos and b-2s and some pretty strong statements. this seems to be a very strong response by recent standards and by recent to miami back through this administration and the bush administration. >> you know, the coriente model

of koreans, excuse me, are playing a game that we cannot let them play. treating it this seriously, i think, is absolely right on the president's part, and i would go a little further. if we ever had a complete fix and none of us knows whether we do or don't, but if we ever had a complete fix on the location of all of north korea's nuclear assets i think you can make a very strong argument that we should eliminate them. lou: do you agree? >> i think getting into a war where we have 3000 american forces right near the border and is not a good idea. i would like -- i wish we could roll back the clock and i were said north korea did not have nuclear weapons, but i think right now i would be concentrating on trying to prevent them from getting a missile that can a man as. lou: what about a conict with syria, a conflict with the iranians? do you feel as opposed to those

conflicts one with the three. >> system i do. i just think that it is dangerous if you don't know how this play ends. lou: we do know how one in this. for 22 years our air force has been in a combat setting from the persian gulf on to right now . we have exhausted men and material and equipment to the point that our leaders have to find a mate seems to me, pause and stop this nonsense and start talking firmly and with a great fix on a narrow focus on our national interest. what do you think? >> number three is an ill tempered toddler that loses his temper a lot. the problem is, if it ever gets matches it could potentially be a threat. the north koreans don't want to go up in a funeral pyre, so i think that this is basally another example of their blackmail. we have to take it seriously. we have tech slap them down, but

i agree with you. there is no way realistically unless we want to have a real chance of war that we''e going to prevent the iranians are north koreans from getting a nuclear weapon. that is, unfortunately, the reality. lou: we will find out about the separate issue and many more, including why the president wants to spend another $21 billion. he spent 5 trillion too much. we'll be back with

♪ lou: we are back with the "a-team." it a quick shot. what happens here now with israel, -- >> well, i was struck when i was there two weeks ago the truly by the very different tone that the israelis are striking, perhaps because it was on the eve of the visit of president obama finally , but they seemed to be

going out of their way not to provoke a fight with the president on this issue. there was no talk of bread lines. the conversation was very different. lou: except on the tarmac as the president stepped f. your thoughts? >> well, the president has said he is not going to allow the iranians to have nuclear weapons. if israel cannot really trust us to stop that from happening because we said the same thing about nth korea. perfect topic after top -- talking about what north korea is saying today. we have to stop them from getting the weapons. they crossed as redlines the united states should take military action. lou: we have been privately telling the israelis for years, don't do it. so there is a contrast. lou: we have had people, particularly in the oval office and national-security team telling the iraqi people that iran is going seven nuclear weapon within six months to year

and those projections started back in 2007. now we're hearing it is a little over a year again. this is some pretty -- >> that may be because the iranians have walked up to this red line and stopped. in reaching the uranium enough to use and that it reactor, but not a weapon. we have to stop them. lou: at think we can give our intelligence agencies and considerable credit as well. there have been some hiccups, i guess, you put it in the program as they try to advance of that. >> indeed. lou: i suspect it will be a few more hiccups. >> and rubber the life expectancy of an iranian scientists is not long. it. lou: it may never be. thank you very much. we appreciated. i do want to close of one thing. the gang of eight. no one. here we have an administration

in the bipartisan agreement. they're going to keep secret and behind closed doors their negotiations on immigration reform, as the college. i think that is despicable and wish they would apologize. your thoughts. >> if they get a deal that passes the congress it is good and bad ofare. lou: you don't care how they get it. >> i agree. lou: two votes for the ends justify the means. >> we should have hearings on this because the only way we will get a consensus is to actually have a debate. cutting off debate by not having -- lou: no consensus on health care. they have not learned the lesson yet. by the way, the folks you think the ends justify the means, well, we will have to have those on. by the way, the tide goes to john fund and me. [laughter] lou: thank you very much. but judith miller, steve