we hope to have to count as sin as we can work with hospitals and the public of people >> is that accurate? >> there are fatalities. morgan to the details. i said i will get into the details. there are people who have expired as a result of this incident. >> the devices in the trash can our mailboxes. >> we don't know. >> reports of police guarding victims at mass general. >> police have been dispatched all hospitals as part of our investing in a protocol to secure the area and make sure we get every witness statement that we possibly can. all the stuff is happening right now. >> but guarding a specific room at mass general? >> a heavy police presence at all hospitals, some hotels and other venues throughout the city . you should not read anything into that. [inaudible question] >> garbage cans, scouring the area looking and all types of possibilities? >> anything that is unattended

to many package that is intended is being treated as a potential problem. we are methodically going through the area and make sure we check each particular parcel an item that is out there. >> we will call this for now but we will be back with more permission we have it. thank you for coming. liz: police commissioner ed davis saying, there is no suspect. again, in these situations we want to remind you that information plus a little too freely sometimes. we will try and keep you updated on every detail. at least two explosions on the boston marathon route. 117 years old, now marred by tragedy. i handed over now on behalf of adam shapiro attacked neil cavuto continues our live coverage. very much. neil: thank you very much. some people are going into this trading day to kick off what was expected to be a rocky week, they were worried about china.

worried about earnings that might not be up to snuff. they're worried about inflation, worried about a slowing economy, but all of this pales to life-and-death concerns in the city of boston. another apparent terror attack and the united states of america, and it is leaving gaping questions as to how and how this could have gone unheeded and so far unaddressed. it is way too early to tell. but keep in mind that the bad guys only have to be right once, even when we are right almost 100 percent of the time. not good enough. welcome, everybody. i'm neil cavuto. continuing fox business live coverage of what appears to be a terrorist incident, once again come on american soil, but this time with a different feeling to it. the suspect, we are told, is right now on the police custody in a hospital, badly injured, we are told, working alone, we are also told.

again, hard to say. this much is not. it has reawakened concerns as if they had gone when all that it is still a very dangerous time. what this could mean an where we go from here? seven minutes out of the president of the united states addressing the nation. i hate to broadside you. what do you think. obviously the venue is a very public one and a very notable one. in the eyes of the world. what do you make of all that? >> i contacted some of the senior terrorism experts in the united states and ask them what they think, a domestic terrorist , everyone says it's way too early to draw any conclusions. one man pointed out the signature is to have multiple simultaneous attacks. he also said, this is not dissimilar to the july 2007 bombing in london which hit a

subway station in the boss. initially it looks like maybe this is a crude device or several crude devices. again, maybe they're more sophisticated than malfunctioned. it is too early to draw any real conclusions, except that terrorism is by no means over in the united states. neil: you know, i'm looking at this incident. of course, you are an expert on these things. it has a moderate feel to it, london feel to it, the multiple devices to multiple locations. so wait too early to say exactly whether it was concerted along those lines. it does open up questions, again, about targeting major cities, knowing that it will get the response it has already gotten regarding the fear of you know what into a lot of folks. >> and all the world is watching this is the boston marathon, the

media is there. people lined up along the route. i used to live quite near there when i was a graduate student. all of boston turns out. the world is watching. if you wanted to make a point and make a splash this will be a pretty good place to do it. neil: it's interesting as i talk to you, you don't indoles minority party here, but on want people to look at what happened in the dow today. 26.2 miles down most of the day triple digits and may weigh on concerns about china's slowing and the whole 9 yards, but look where we finished, just accelerating madly around to 58:00 p.m., by which time the markets had heard of what happened in boston and were first starting to use the t-word, terrorism, and the dow reading better than 265 points. i should also note that almost the exact same moment maya was flooding of stocks and going into bonds , that is a world speaking with its money when it

is nervous as heck about its own prospects. rightfully so or are people getting ahead of themselves? >> look, there have just been multiple explosions. one of the biggest events of the spring, the marathon. i don't think people in getting too nervous. they're not being hysterical. who knows if this is the beginning of something more, but the fact that there were potentially three a explosions within minutes of each other while the whole world is watching, thousands of civilians. women and children watching their husbands aren't, college students wanting their friends run. there is nothing that is more civilian and vulnerable than the boston marathon and an attack that it is a striking a part of it. neil: we should alert those at home who already know, a few minutes ahead of the president addressing the nation. patriot's day in boston. it is a legal holiday throughout new england. i can attest to the fact that it

is right up there with thanksgiving day. offices are closed. businesses are shut down. it makes you think, had businesses be up and running and more people -- hard to imagine more people there, it could have been even worse. >> well, you know, it's bad as it is. the question becomes then, were these crude devices were people were not sure but there were doing, potentially homegrown terrorists? or was there something more sophisticated? eighty malfunctioned, something more sophisticated that to detonate. to some many unanswered questions. it's irresponsible to draw any conclusion at this point other than the fact that a major american city after new york, 9/11, washington, madrid, london, we have major cities that have now been attacked on our own turf. who knows by home, but with -- in an ability to really destroy

and hurt the most number of civilians. these are not military bases. these are not people who are going after anything other than men, women, and children. neil: you're right. you know, we're getting to see the reports minutes ahead of the on president addressing the nation on this as to whether the culprit is, in fact, in custody are being watched by police and hospitals in the area. we do know of at least two dozen injured, some severely, in area hospitals. we know that area well. is a mecca for medical research and hospitals. world-renowned. concerted or coordinated attack, that brings into question al-qaeda, the taliban, other nefarious elements and calls into question, again, our ability to keep track of them all. what do you make of that? >> well, as you pointed out when you opened the show, you said, you know, we have to be right all the time, they only have to be right once. and get through our defenses.

and that's the real danger of this, is, you know, for every attack that we watch on the evening news, spoiled attack in times square, underwear bomber didn't go right, london, madrid, all these, every one of those is a splash. how many didn't we hear about? how many were foiled? neil: that's right. >> how many didn't go well? so i think you shouldn't just conclude there's just a handful of these, i think there are an awful lot more, we just don't know about them. neil: yeah. we just have to be batting a thousand to stop it. easier said than done. what do you expect to hear off the the president? >> well, i think what the president needs to say what other presidents, prime ministers i've worked for have had disasters, natural disasters, you know, the challenger incident when the spaceship blew up, it's important for the president to show his faith and to talk to the american people even if you don't have any answers. it's important to say, you know, stay calm, stay in your homes, we've got law enforcement working on this, we have intelligence working on this. all americans should have a moment of silence and a moment

of prayer for the victims and the families who thought they were going to have a beautiful day in boston watching the marathon and are coming home with tragedy written on their faces. that's what's important for the president to do right now. and my guess is he'll do it very well. he's very good at these things. neil: you know, we do know he was briefed by security officials, his attorney general, other officials have offered their full services and personnel to get to the bottom of this beginning, as i said, with the justice department. what comes of that? what kind of services are they talking about? >> well, you know, first of all, the justice department and the fbi, they'll be looking into this. law enforcement will be looking into this. my assumption, too, is that the intelligence community -- neil: hold on, kt, the president now addressing the nation. >> earlier today i was briefed by my homeland security team on the events in boston. we're continuing to monitor and respond to the situation as it unfolds, and i've directed the full resources of the federal government to help state and local authorities protect our people, increase security around

the united states as necessary and investigate what happened. the american people will say a area for boston tonight, and michelle and i send our deepest thoughts and prayers to the families of the victims in the wake of this senseless loss. we don't yet have all the answers, but we do know that multiple people have been wounded, some gravely in explosions at the boston marathon. i've spoken to fbi director mueller and secretary of homeland security napolitano, and they're mobilizing the appropriate resources to investigate and to respond. i've updated leaders of congress in both parties, and we reaffirm on days like this there are no reforrepublicans or democrat, we are americans united in concern for our fellow citizens. i've also spoken with governor patrick and mayor menino and made it clear they have every single federal resource necessary to care for the victims and counsel the families. and above all i made clear to them that all americans stand

with the people of boston. boston police, firefighters and first responders as well as the national guard responded heroically and continue to do so as we speak. it's a reminder that so many americans serve and sacrifice on our behalf every single day without regard to their own safety in dangerous and difficult circumstances. and we salute all those who assisted in responding so quickly and professionally to this tragedy. we still do not know who did this or why, and people shouldn't jump to conclusions before we have all the facts. but make no mistake, we will get to the bottom of this, and we will find out who did this, we'll find out why they did this. any response, any responsible individuals, any responsible groups will feel the full weight of justice. today is a holiday in massachusetts, patriots day. it's a day that celebrates the

free and fiercely independent spirit that this great american city of boston has reflected in the earliest days of our nation, and it's a day that draws the world to boston's streets in a spirit of friendly competition. boston is a tough and resilient town, so are its people. i'm supremely confident that bostonians will pull together, take care of each other and move forward as one proud city, and as they do, the american people will be with them every single step of the way. you should anticipate that as we get more information, our teams will provide you briefings. we're still in the investigation stage at this point, but i just want to reiterate we will find out who did this, and we will hold them accountable. thank you very much. [inaudible conversations] neil: all right. we will get to the bottom of this, the president of the united states responding to what appears to be, and i stress

appears to be, a terrorist attack on united states soil. of course, the first since the 9/11 attacks, although a number were stopped post those attacks, and doesn't my next guest know it very, very well, because he helped stop them. former new york governor george pataki who joins me now. way too early to say, but we do know it was coordinated. >> coordinated and devastating, and you can't help but have your heart go out to the people of boston to those who are injured and just be aware of the fact that, you know, we may have thought 11 years after september 11th that the risk was behind us, but we should knowwbetter. it's not. it is there. it will continue to be there, and we have to continue to be vigilant. neil: you know, the timing and the event, what did you make of that? >> well, as the president just said, it's patriots day, it's the time when most of the runners will be congregating at

the finish line of a great celebration. and it's just horrible to think that people who just wanted to enjoy the spirit of the day and of the moment have to go through this and that the american people have to be reminded of the risk that we face every day. neil: it's raising questions again, governor. you had been trying to be vigilant against this at sporting events, shopping malls, large areas where people congregate after 9/11, that they, too, could become targets. and this is going to raise that all over again. and the immediate fear is that it puts the fear of you know what into a lot of people, and they just cocoon. they stay home. >> right. that's one of the major concerns. and one of the major efforts that terrorist groups always want to accomplish, and that is by through an event to spread terror far beyond the reach of that immediate event. and we can't let that happen. just let me make two points here. we have the best law enforcement

professionals in the world. we're proud of the nypd, we know the boston pd is extremely effective, and the country is far better prepared to take steps to protect our people. and we have to do our best to go about our lives. just not allow that fear to change our lives. and the second point is that i was listening to kt earlier talking about how many events that might have happened that were stopped. part of those, and i think the times square where that terrorist wanted to blow up -- neil: right. >> and it wasn't law enforcement. it was an individual who said there's something strange going on here, and notified the police. and one of the programs we put in place after september 11th was if you see something, say something. so, sure, it's natural to have heightened concern, but relying on law enforcement professionals, but always be vigilant. and if you see a package that's out of place or someone that is acting in a way that is apparently dangerous or extreme, go to the officials. neil: but, you know, governor,

certainly on a day like this don't mean to be flippant about it, but in new york almost everything you see would warrant saying something, right? so where do you draw the line between being cautious and just responding to what is -- >> use common sense. and, obviously, what is the norm elsewhere is not in this, in this great city. neil: right. >> but just use common sense. you know, people have very good instincts, and they have the eyes and ears and, ultimately, the decision is made by law enforcement. but if you see someone leaving a bag looking like they're intentionally doing something like that at a place, that's the time to say something to law enforcement. but go about our lives. don't let them frighten us into, as you said, living in cocoons, but be aware. neil: thank you, goverror, very good seeing you even under these circumstances, sir. >> thank you. neil: george pataki, keeping faith right after the 9/11 attacks. wait too early to say whether this could even approach all of that, but just the fact that it

happened again on u.s. soil whether home grown or not is raising questions about how stable things are for our own safety here in the usa. lauren simonetti joins us from the floor of the new york stock exchange, and i was pointing out to viewers earlier on, we were down a lot today anyway on fears of china and across the globe. dare i say at around 2:357, 2:58 when word of these attacks first hit wall street, wall street got hit, didn't it? >> and it got hit hard. look, we're always telling you that last hour of trading is is chaotic, but today it was chaotic for other reasons. the market was down all day. as much as i'd say about 204 points before this tragedy occurred. when the tragedy occurred, we were coming off of our lows of the session, we're covering a little bit, and then we took a huge spike down. a trader pulled me aside and said, lauren, look at these headlines, and we knew that something was happening. going lower and lower and essentially, neil, down 266 points for the dow closing at

the lows of the session. we also saw two other things happen that make traders really nervous, and i asked them, do you think this is terrorism? what is going to happen tomorrow? and essentially, they all agreed on a couple of things, that this was the pullback, and it was due. but we did hit the lows of the session, and the vixx index did spike. that's the fear in the marketplace, almost 40% today alone. and then you saw investors going to treasuries, the yield hitting the lows of the session. so we are nervous, and tomorrow's going to be an interesting session, to say the least. i also want to pay attention to security down here, because this is an area, this wall street area has been rocked by tragedy. you know as well as i do as do the traders down here. it makes us nervous. we might be used to it, but we're nervous. the new york stock exchange doesn't comment on security, but we'll be able to tell coming in tomorrow if things are heightened and how heightened they are. neil: oh, you're exactly right, and i can remember after the first world trade center attack in 1993 that's when they began putting up barricades around the

new york stock exchange, and today really beefed up those barricades post-9/11 in 2001. so that is like a fortress downtown new york as we speak, so i can't imagine how more fortress-like it potentially could get, but we do know across the country they've beefed up security not to lockdown-type conditions as is the case in boston, but darn close to it in washington where they put yellow tape around the white house and cordoned off the area right outside pennsylvania avenue in front of the white house. that doesn't mean pedestrians can still walk around lafayette park across the north end of the white house, and they still can't walk on the national mall where you'll find the washington monument and all these other iconic symbols of american freedom. but it means that they're being more closely scrutinized. but, lauren, you mentioned something very, very interesting early on about the run away from stocks and the run to bonds. i mentioned this on fox news earlier today, and it seemed interesting that if in doubt, treasury seemed to be a very

safe place where investors the world over to park their money. they're antsy that they're not going to get a great return, but at least they feel their money's safe, parking it in a u.s. denominated instrument like a treasury. what is that saying to traders there? what are they saying it could say tomorrow when things reopen there? >> and that's the question, because the u.s. all along, particularly compared to europe, has been the safe place to put your money. you can't make money anywhere else in terms of, you know, super low interest rates right now. so that's one of things that have been driving our money into equities, and the stock market's been in unchartered territory. obviously, that needs to pull back a little bit. so now you have so many investors and saying this to me today, i don't know, where should we put our money? because the stock market's pulling back. this is a buying opportunity. gold selling off bigtime. we thought that was the place to go. and now you have yields coming down a little bit. so it is this confusing moment, neil. we'll see where investors put

their money tomorrow. neil: you're right. lauren, thank you very much. stick around, kiddo. we do appreciate it. i know a lot of you will view this, and i certainly ran into this on fox news when you refer to the dow and money instruments and the like, you sound callous and heartless, but i hasten to remind you that it was no accident that new york, for example, was a target in 2001 and, of course, before that in 1993. as much for the loss of human life as well as the hit on our very form of capitalism itself. so it is an interesting gauge to see how our financial markets respond to developments like these. way too early to say, but as lauren pointed out, between our futures and what's been happening in our treasuries, there is this proverbial flight to safety and quality that seems to be benefiting the united states. so if you're a bad guy and you wish us ill and you were hoping whatever happened many boston today would spill over to a direct economic hit on the united states today, so far it isn't happening. you might ultimately be bright, bright -- right, but for now

that does not appear to be the case. still, this is a very big concern. we mentioned the money matters, but we're not oblivious to the life and death matters. dare i say anyone in boston right now isn't so much focused on the value of their 401(k) just that, well, they're okay. former cia operative wayne simms is on the phone with us as to what they're talk about, what authorities are worried about and what they're sort of piecing together right now. wayne, what can you tell us? >> hi, neil. well, i think the public -- several things that the public needs to know, first of all, that boston pd is, as you've heard, kt has made clear as well are one of the very best in the country of many. certainly, the fbi, cia, all of our national security agencies are all over this. they'll figure it out. so that's the good news. bad news is, of course, that we've lost, again, american

lives someeow some way. someone was able to do something very, very dastardly against us, and that's unfortunate. but i must tell you that the american people need to know that we've got great nypd, we've got great boston, and we've got fbi which, as you know s the best in the world. so that's the good news. neil: you know, wayne, when i think about it in the better than i think it was 24,000-plus marathoners in this race today, to say nothing of the crowds watching today, i'm not breathing a sigh of relief through a calamity like this, but i am thinking it could have been a hell of a lot worse than this. >> well, i think so. and i hope the viewers that know me and those from fox that know me understand when i say that if it were someone like me, the damage would have been much worse, and that's not a brag, that's not -- i'm not quite sure

what to make out of all of this. this was a deadly explosion, and our hearts and prayers go out to those families and always will. but this is an attention getter. and i think our, in fact, i don't think, i'm absolutely certain that our fbi and cia get this. someone's trying to send a message, and as kt pointed out absolutely correctly, it is way, way too early to make any kind of admonition towards who did this or point fingers at who may be responsible for this. but i would tell you this, neil, this has been, as you know -- i've known fox for 12 years and known you for a long time -- this has been my greatest fear.

this is the soft -- one of the softest of softest targets. and they are not coming after our nuclear reactors. whoever did this is not trying to put a little bomb like this so destructive and deadly against a nuclear reactor or are trying to smuggling into our airports anymore. they chose the softest of softest targets; families, friends, colleagues. all of us know someone who was at the, at this event, and it makes, and it makes guys like me very, very angry. and i will tell you the fbi will find out who did this. if they don't already know. and the cia will continue to follow that up. and, um, and there will be hell to pay. and there will be hell to pay. neil: all right, wayne, thank you very much. pass along to your folks back --

there have been disputed reports as to one of the alleged perpetrators behind today's attack already being in a boston-area hospital. some police officialsing in the city of boston have said that simply isn't so, "the new york post," a sister publication part of the news corp. enterrrise, insists that it is so. there is some debate as to whether one of the principals behind today's attack is, in fact, in a hospital injured and being monitored by police. the police officially are saying that's not the case, but the rumors and the scuttlebutt is out there. we do want to let you know, too, just to wring you up -- bring you up to speed that there were two successful explosions. i mean successful in the terrorist terms, the explosives that went off. two others were sighted, one, of course, at the jfk library not too far away, at least one other that could have gone off that did not. so you're hearing a lot back and forth about multiple explosions.

when we talk about that, that also includes multiple potential explosions. i only stress that because that would be very analogous to what happened in the city of madrid only a couple of years after the 9/11 attacks in this country and, shortly thereafter, in london a year after those attacks in madrid. they were following pretty much the same theme, multiple timed deviceeattacks that were meant to insure the maximum amount of terror in both cities. the body count, the injury count significantly higher than what appears to be the case in boston today. i stress what appears to be. all right, to rich edson right now on the president's response to all of this, and he has, rich, i understand, martialed all forces to help local authorities in massachusetts get to the bottom of this, right? >> he has, neil. saying that we don't know who did this or why, we will get to the bottom of this. he says any responsible group will feel the full weight of justice. the federal response thus far has been, according to catherine

herridge, saying that the fbi will pull together residue from the different bombs and different locations, and they're also pulling the surveillance video, local law enforcement officials -- this coming from foxnews.com -- the bomb squads, @.w.a.t. teams, there are coast guard boats on the scene, federal protective services has shut down all federal buildings in boston, the u.s. secret service is on scene, and there is no cellular service in boston in the area at this time. another law enforcement official saying the attorney general has spoken with the fbi director on this, they're coordinating efforts. the faa, there was a temporary suspension of flights taking off from boston's low began airport. that -- logan airport. that ground stop was put in place, the faa says, to briefly change the runway configuration, so flights are now leaving boston. that's been lifted. there was a temporary flight restriction over the area where the bombs had gone off over a 3-mile radius, that has been reduced to a 2-mile radius

according to the faa. the house intelligence committee, this just coming out, will be holding a hearing on this matter tomorrow morning, 11 a.m. we are waiting for flags at u.s. capitol to be lowered to half staff, and they will perform a moment of silence really in the next minute or two, neil. back to you. neil: all right, rich edson, thank you very much. i think we can switch to the floor of the house. guys, that's where they're planning this moment of silence to recognize the deaths and injuries in boston right now. let's go to the floor of the house. >> remember, that 2% includes all those who may eventually -- >> military reserve and guard, the men and women who give up their day jobs often taking a huge pay cut in doing so -- neil: obviously, he's not being silent, so as soon as they are and they recognize that moment of silence, we will go back to the house. a number of federal, state and local entities have already done so in light of what has happened in boston today. a number of questions back and forth as to what's going on in boston right now.

by the technical definition of a lockdown for new york is whether you can't get in and out of the city after such calamities. ins boston you can. it's just next to impossible. and true to form, the irs in a case of, well, we're the irs, has said that it will not recognize delays in getting your taxes filed. now, keep in mind this is patriots day throughout much of new england. it is a local holiday for new englanders, most new englanders including those in boston and massachusetts. but what the irs is saying is that your taxes are still due tomorrow. so you still file tomorrow. that's the irs way of saying i guess we're silly. michael grimm, congressman, you know very well about all things terror and what's happened certainly in your neck of the woods. now it's happened in the boston neck of the woods. we hope nothing more severe than appears the case. what now? >> well, i mean, now you're going to see a very, very

robust, logical investigation. you know, good thing is you have a fantastic police department there in boston. they had from fort hamilton in new york, they had the cst on the ground, those are the national guard's terrorism response units that are experts in this, so they were already on the ground in advance just as a precaution. and you've probably seen -- what you've heard about is what the locals are doing, everyone on the ground locally is, you know, literally working from out to in surface getting all the pieces and fragments, any shrapnel to recreate the bomb and see what it is. it's a very clear smoke that came up, so it's been years for me, but i would think it may be some type of chemical bomb, maybe a homemade explosive. but the other thing is all the federal agencies behind the scenes, your nsa, your cia, they're now going back and starting to listen to tapes that they may have had for maybe a week or so building up to this to see if there was any chatter they may have missed that didn't seem like it was pertinent at the time but may be relevant in

light of the events of today. so there's a loot of things going on, a lot of coordination, and you're going to see, you know, this is a worst case scenario for a city like boston. first responders are showing up with no knowledge whatsoever. that's what they're trained to do, but that's a difficult thing to do, and obviously, all of these families, all those afflicted are in our prayers right now. neil: you know, congressman, way too early to con jekyll -- such a word, but what if it's a home grown terry nichols type deal with where the threat we feared from abroad is a threat from among our own already here? >> well, i mean, unfortunately, that is the reality every day. i mean, there are -- we've been dealing with domestic terrorism for many, many decades, we just don't hear as much about it. you know, the fbi, you know, atf is on the scene. they do tremendous, tremendous work to foil these things before they even happen. they have undercovers like myself used to be an undercover, and they have tremendous is the sets on the ground.

again, to interrupt operations before something explodes. so they're trained to deal with that, but to think that we only have to worry about terrorism from abroad, from areas like the middle east is simply not so. we have a lot of people even if they're not domestic terrorists, but people that are psychotic and have different sociopathic tendencies that could, you recall, especially with all you can read about on the internet, can actually get an hme together. you can get fertilizer and diesel fuel, and you can make a bomb. i mean, it's harder to do. you still need something else to detonate, but they can, unfortunately, get their hands on things that can explode and do a serious amount of damage right in a major city. neil: all right. congressman, thank you very much, we appreciate your taking the time. you'll hear back and forth a lot of folks wondering who was behind this, why were they behind this. it is safe to say that people tend to sort of freeze in place and ask questions later, and, of course, it is a always something when you have an attack and this appears to be an attack and

potentially coordinated one at that on a major american city, the city of boston on a day, of course, you have the heralded event, the boston marathon, and little more than, what, a week away from london offering the same, a major marathon in that fine city as well. my friend and former fbi investigator, bill daley, rejoins me. bill, if i'm in london and i know i'm planning a big marathon of my own and, actually, they get more runners than this -- [laughter] what do you do? what do you think? how do you plan? >> i'd probably tell you london, just coming off the heels of the olympics and not only that having to deal with decades of ir a-bombings around the city are very well accustomed to dealing with major events and concerns about packages that might be left and how to secure areas in and around major eventings. neil: but they brought back the garbage cans, right? they brought back the kinds of things they took off the streets in the heat of the ira bombings.

not to the same degree, but i'm not saying they returned to business as normal, bill, but they kind of returned to that. should they pull back now or what? >> well, i can't speak to whether they've done it across the board, but i would probably tell you around major events like we've seen here in new york is that they've actually removed trash cans and other receptacles, actually let the litter fall in the street and sanitation will pick it up later on -- neil: that's a big hope. >> with i would probably suggest they're probably thinking the same way. there are also other devices that have been developed, trash cans that can contain explosives, ones that don't send shrapnel, ones that are easy to look into because they're made of material you can look in and see if there's something suspicious in there. so, you know, as we get on the heels of any of these major events, and you're mentioning the london olympics coming up, i wouldn't tell anyone to be overly concerned about going there and -- neil: in the marathon. >>? the marathon.

but i would also tell you one of the things in our country which is our greatest asset is our freedom to be able to move around -- neil: people stop moving around for a little while, right? and they stop doing a lot of things. i can remember after 9/11, bill, i mean, there was a fear of a depression, actually, because people would stop buying, stop going out, stop doing everything. that was a short life here because americans did, in fact, return close to life is normal or as close as they could within weeks after those attacks. not ignoring the attacks, but moving on. what do you think now? >> well, i think now, neil, the big thing right now, immediate thing right now is the investigation. the big thing is finding out as quickly as possible who's behind these events, whether it's an individual or individuals. neil: well, what you know of now, bill, i mean, what -- piece that together or me. what goes through your head? >> what goes through my head right now is the fact that we have at least two sites where an

explosion's taken place, we have other devices which have been allegedly found by police and not detonated or disposed of in many some way which may be a treasure-trove of information for investigators to be able to find out who's behind hem. so i think right now we have a number of things here that may give police and fbi, joint terrorism task force a nice springboard into finding out who's responsible for it. we wish we could go back in time, wish we could be one of those shows where you go back and change what happened, but we can't. what we can do is focus on who's responsible, finding out how this got through, any other filters if it was possible this person could have been found beforehand and try to make sure it doesn't happen again. neil: bill, you were with me when i was talking to sheriff joe arpaio when this news just broke, and he was saying it reinforces the notion, and i'm paraphrasing here, we've got to watch out for the bad guys, weave got to really police the worlder. we're just doing this now in this immigration reform measure

that's coming together that's really going to police the border. wouldn't it be an ironic kick if this is not an incident of someone across the world -- border, but someone who was already here? >> well, neil, that would be a tragedy, but certainly it's a tragedy we've seen in the past. as you mentioned, you know, we've had nichols and the oklahoma city bombing, we've had eric rudolph, responsible for the millennial park bombing down in atlanta during the olympics, we had a bomber who was planning on putting a bomb along the parade route of a martin ruther king parade out in washington state just a little over a year ago. those people all from the united states, they were all u.s. citizens, they were home grown. neil: thank you very much, bill. and as bill was reminding me, it's a moot point to victims, who we were traited the attack? just that their loved ones for injured or, god forbid, killed. a witness joins me right now. bruce, where were you and what did you see? >> well, neil, i was in a building directly above where we

think the explosions went off. i was at 667 boyleston street directly across from the finish line. i was on the speck spectator sit on the fan side. i saw -- well, i was sitting on a couch. the first explosion blew me off the couch. i was at a postrace party, i yelled at all the party to get to the back of the office. once they were all secure in the back of the office, i hurried down the stairs to the street. i was on the street about 30 seconds to a minute after the initial explosions, and i saw broken glass, i saw, you know, i saw bloody, open wounds, i saw people kind of running around in confusion. neil: now, um, obviously the explosions were very close together, and these other -- certainly the one at the jfk library was sometime later.

at that point when you heard the multiple explosions, were you piecing together, wait a minute, this isn't just an accidental event, this is something more sinister? >> yeah. i'm a veteran of the united states army, so i know what that stuff smells like and sounds like and feels like. so i kind of knew immediately that something was wrong, and that's why i reacted so quickly. neil: thank god you did. is everyone safe around you and your family and all others? >> yeah. i was actually spectating. i wouldn't be so crazy as to run a marathon. [laughter] i was, i was spectating. my younger brother was running, and he, he finished about an hour and a half before the explosion. neil: all right. well, i'm glad you're safe. i wouldn't even drive the 26.2 miles, but i hear what you're saying, my friend. thank you very much for your service as well. >> all right. neil: i do want to wring you up to -- bring you up to speed on where futures are trading because that is the best way i

know for you to get an early sort of a peg on how the world is responding to this. this is the only thing we have to go on right now ahead of foreign markets beginning to open in asia later tonight. the futures market, after a tumble in the dow today, all nominally to the upside. i stress this is only a snapshot, only a moment in time, and what is that they say about snapshots? they're snapped as quickly as they're shot. but as far as indications of a freefall or a panic freefall, that does not appear to be materializing just yet. a lot of you will rook -- look at this and say why is this business network so consumed with business developments for? because on a day like this, they have a lot to say about how safe and how good we feel and how confident we feel about ourselves regardless of the threat to lives. it is our livelihoods, and we're balancing all of that as gingerly as we can. with me now is former nypd detective thomas russkin.

tom, you know, we're talking about the message this sends especially if it's coordinated and it is home grown. does it change the equation for you? i guess, you were kind of telling me a bad guy is a pad guy is a bad guy, right? >> exactly. as we've talked about all afternoon, the police departments have to get it right 100% of the time every single day. a terrorist, a home grown terrorist or a straight out terrorist from another country has to get it right one time, one day in the right spot. and it looks like today they picked boston for whatever their reason -- neil: why do you think? i mean, we were talking about this earlier today, this idea they never pick an obscure town in middle america. i'm not dismissing oklahoma city, which stood out, of course, in 1995. but they do pick out major urban centers for the most part whether here or abroad for obvious impact, right in. >> uh-huh. well, look -- neil: yeah. >> every single station's

covering it all afternoon, so that's their impact. they haven't caught the person or people responsible for this as of yet. they are still out there, and the public should be aware tonight. if they see something, say something. it's a slogan -- neil: what because that mean -- what does that mean? you know, i hear that in new york, and i was telling governor pataki everything in times square i see warrants saying something. i don't know where to begin. but in all seriousness, you're looking at someone who leaves a bag behind, or someone who's doing something around a garbage can or acting out of the usual. what? >> that's what it is. it's spotting the person who's acting unusual in the usual situation. people act sort of strange every today in new york city. we have the people who pass us in the street where we say he's acting a little bit absurd. it's acting more than absurd. it's acting in a strange manner. someone who's looking around them, someone who's putting a package down and looking to see if someone sees them putting

that package down. that's what you have to call the police department -- neil: what do you think happened here? conjecture those it is, there were multiple sites and explosions, then, obviously, there were multiple devices or packages left at multiple plays, right -- places, right? >> possibly by more than one individual. neil: would it be likely? >> if we're talking about the jfk center and we're talking about -- neil: jfk library in boston. >> the library, and that's in dorchester as well as two spots -- neil: so one pimp -- person couldn't do that alone. >> it would be difficult. could they do it alone? if they had a cell phone, detonators, timers on it, it potentially could be done by one individual. unlikely, but potentially. the police department and fbi lab will start to put these things together, and they put it together like a puzzle. a bomber has a specific way, ingredient, prescription that they put these bombs together.

and that's what they'll look at. they'll look to see if they were put together the same way. were they put together with buck shot? with ball bearings? how'd the, you know, explosive device was put into it and how they were finally detonated. if they all match, you know you have one party or parties who have put together the bomb in the same type of way. neil: you know, i think it was you, tom, and if i'm quoting you out of place, please, correct me. i've talked to a lot of people. but i think after the 1993 world trade center attack we realized that it could have been a hell of a lot worse had that van with all the explosives been parked, i think it was 8 inches closer -- >> correct. neil: it would have been worse. my point is, do you think this could have been worse, that these explosions might have been geared when either more people were in the immediate area, or they were just calculated to go off at a different time? way too early to say?

what? >> no. i think that whoever may have planted -- my guess is, and it's only a guess -- neil: sure. better than my depress. >> at this point in time, when the elite runners are coming through, security is at a heightened state of alert around that area. they're watching. it's very difficult to get in that area without a vip pass for any marathon, especially the boston marathon. so the person may have taken the opportunity to wait til the elite runners came through, and it's more of a transient type of place to watch your brother, your sister, your loved one run and finish because it's right close to the finish line. they may have found that opportunity to plant their devices at that point in time because they had more accessibility. neil: so, in other words, we're getting disputed reports, so don't hold me to this, but more than half the 24,000 runners had gone through the finish line. >> uh-huh. neil: so i'm not saying we were just dealing with the after line here, but the premier names, certainly, had already come. >> that's right.

neil: and by that definition the security would have dropped a little bit. >> well, the security doesn't drop, the accessibility to those areas drops. neil: i gotsch gotcha. >> security for a marathon is always very high. neil that'll right til the bitter end? >> right to the bitter end. it's rye -- why you see so many police officers, military people running to the scene, risking their device for that secondary device, trying to get there to help the people who were injured, some critically injured. that's what police officers and military people and emergency responders do every single day, and that's what you saw them do that day. i think it was the accessment to that area -- accessibility at that area that allowed the bomber to place the device there. neil: say that again? >> i think the accessibility to the area at that point in time allowed the bomber to put their package or packages -- neil: so you don't think it was there well ahead of the fact and then the device --

>> we don't know that as of yet. we'll know that from the video and the investigation that's going to come out in the next hours or day, because the video -- that area, i mean, i went to college in boston. that area around copley plaza is very heavily trafficked and videoed area. neil: sure. >> not to mention i think police would ask at point in time for anyone with an individual video to produce that video. they may have possibly caught the bomber on a private video. neil: real quickly, the fact that cell phone service has not been cut off in boston, and i know that we've had threats in new york post-9/11, certainly in the tunnels and bridges, the mayor, whoever it is, um, shuts off that service. >> police department. neil: okay. well, what do you make of the fact that that has not happened in boston? >> well, they may not feel that -- they may know it was not detonated via cell phone. it may have been a timed device or just a device that was left to go off at a certain time. neil: okay. thank you, detective, as always,

a pleasure. and he is an encyclopedia on this stuff. meanwhile, we've got national security expert aaron cohen joining us from los angeles. aaron, you're the president of the united states, you've met with your security team, you've already sent out your attorney general, eric holder, to do whatever he can and provoid whatever resources -- provide whatever resources boston and massachusetts officials need. what are they looking for, what are they doing, what should we be watching? >> well, i think that, well, obviously, the president has sanctioned federal aid to back up the state and local police agencies down there which the president came clean about and seems to be doing a very fast job with which is really critical especially considering this is a terrorist situation. for every second you waste, another innocent person can be killed. as far as his plan on a macro level, i think at this point right now they're betting on this investigation unfolding a

as quickly as possible so that they can send a message to the american people which is we are not going to stand for this type of act against such an amazing vent. and he has a responsibility, i believe, to come out and do everything he can to say we're going to exact a high price. we can't protect every pipe, we can't protect every building. he came out and said, you know, we're not -- he's not, he doesn't have all the information, but i believe with him and his administration at this point it's going to be about exacting or assuring the americans that we're going to, that they're going to exact the highest price possible once they have the intelligence that they need to be able to actualize and act upon it. neil: you know, aaron, just thinking -- i'm not saying we got cocky, but maybe a little too sort of comfortable tig that post-9/11 we hadn't really been hit again. a lot of the rest of the world had been, indonesia many times, certainly in london and madrid and a host of other places. but we sort of knock on wood,

and there was this feeling that we had gotten a handle on this. if for no other reason than it appears that we have not, we're not bulletproof, we're not bombproof, how does that change even national security experts' strategy going forward? >> um, well, i believe that the change is going to be -- here's the thing, neil, there's the apparent threat, and then there's what we call in the security business the actual threat. and there's been billions and billions of dollars spent in -- spent and wasted. and it's to no one's fault except for the fact that america is at this point, you know, a 14-year-old teenage child who's going through security puberty, and so the country's learning as it goes, and unfortunately, it takes events like this to go, hey, it might not be the nuclear facilities, hey, it might not be those grand targets, but a soft target such as an event like this. this is what terrorists do. they operate, and they permeate

through osmosis, and they slip their way through to the targets of opportunity. we've seen it in israel, britain and madrid. so the actual event is that the security is going to have to be placed in multiple rings, and we've heard the term for the last ten years on those areas where they are soft which meanings large crowds so that terrorists can create a very high psychological state of fear and then perpetuate that fear. and at the end of the day whoever's more scared is losing. so it's going to be -- neil: what if it's all a head fake? i know it's not like this black helicopter crap, but just to say, oh, it's not our airplanes, it's not our nuclear facilities, it's wherever we congregate and then, boom, they surprise you somewhere else. >> yeah. well, neil, you know, you're scratching on the right door, because the truth is you can't protect everything. here's the deal, it's about intelligence. this is about, this is about making sure that you have the information. and i don't want to point the

finger at boston. these guys have been responding as good as it gets. i mean, the reason why they were there so quickly is they had this tactical response protocol in place. they responded to the area, they were sweeping for threats. they found threats, and they were continuing to sweep the area and that's the triangle of a tactical response for counterterrorism. what this comes down to is the intelligence to be able to thwart these attacks and, clearly, this one was not grabbed, and it's not a perfect business. and, unfortunately, people have been injured. we need to toughen up with these soft events. neil: aaron, thank you very much for taking the time. it's been, i imagine, a crazy day for you. thank you. i want to go to teddy weisberg from seaport securities and my friend and colleague, gerri willis, who has generously afforded fox business an opportunity to go nonstop with this. gerri, you talked to a lot of people, i talked to a lot of people, the unexpected nature of this. we had always thought public

spots would be a target but never were for the last nearly dozen years. now suddenly they are. it changes the game, doesn't it? >> i think it changes the game. it changes the consumer mindset. half a million people were there today just watching, not even participating. that's a lot of people, and to think that on a day like this patriots day, i lived in boston. this is, this is almost a religious holiday for those people, okay? they believe in this holiday. it's something the entire city participates in. neil: it's a state holiday up there, right? for a lot of states, rhode island and massachusetts. >> shakes them to their core. and, of course, it's a celebration, the commemoration, really, of the first battles of the revolutionary war. so people find it's very important. i think this will not be a help to consumer confidence which is already at eight, nine-month lows here. i think people will take a step back, start thinking about what they're doing again. these pictures, it just doesn't feel good to people who are consumers. neil: ted, what do you think? i mean, we're mentioning how the

market seized on this and fell a lot more. it's stabilizing right now, the futures market -- as you remind me, my friend, that doesn't mean anything, but it does say something for the time being. are they calming down or just hoping another shoe doesn't drop? >> well, i think we always hope another shoe doesn't drop, and as you know, we live in a security bubble downtown every day -- neil: it really is like fortress america. >> and that goes back to 1993. neil: that's when they put up the first barricading right? >> exactly. and now you can't even get near the stock exchange. but in terms of the stock market, neil, i mean, you know, these events arer theically teenageic, and it brings that event pack home that we need to be alert and vigilant and so forth and so on, but in terms of the stock market if we can, you know, we never know what's going to derail the market, and the market was in pretty big trouble before the start of what happened in boston. but selloffs and bull markets

which we affectionately call pullbacks are no different than relief rallies and bear markets. and it's a reversal of the trend. it happens all the time. it's ugly, it's violent, and it hurts. but usually it doesn't last too long, and the prevailing trend will reexert itself. neil: you mentioned something about the effect on average consumers, whether it freezes them even for a little while from buying or going out because they're nervous. >> they're nervous, and why are they nervous? because last month employment only expanded by 88,000. it was a punk report, and certainly people are feeling the effects of that. you see what happens to a company like jcpenney, sales go down, down, down. i think consumers are going to be just a little bit nervous going forward thinking about, wow, this really reminds me of the last time this happened. this really reminds me of where we've been and what the stakes are, what the risks are, what can happen in my city, in your, on your corner on main street not just in new york city anymore. now in boston on a day where

people there are ready to celebrate, are excited to be together. one of the first big events of the spring, and for it to turn out like this, really a tragedy. neil: you know, these events always, these "kumbaya" events where the president says we're not republicans or democrats. there's a hold that everyone comes together and does something constructive. i just hope no one stands on the steps of the capitol and sings, because that was a nightmare. but do you think that the flipside of this, teddy, is that bygones become bygones if even temporarily and progress is made on in this the other stuff because we realize these altercations and fights are trivial in the scheme of things?

not a bad thing. >> what do you think? >> i agree. you know, time heals all wounds and we'll definitely see that. but i hope build their future. that's what i want to see. >> showing confidence. >> that would be good. >> there's a lack of confidence and i think that's still a lot of people that do not believe, at least in the terms of the stock market haven't bought into it. >> i want to thank you very much. i want to bring you up to speed on what we know. 80 are injured, two are dead. multiple explosions in the city of boston and growing concerns that this was more than just a freak event. this was a coordinated attack. the likelihood of it being orchestrated by one individual,