lou: that is it for us tonight. thank you very much, joining us tomorrow, author does not like immigration, good night from new york. >> well now we know. it could have been worse. this boston attack, the guys who supposedly did it, they had another stop on their hit para parade. times square. it didn't happen. but could you imagine if it did? and given relatively subdued market reaction to everything that did go down in boston, could you imagine if going like it had gone down in new york? could you imagine if the underlying fundamentals were not what they were, how much this economy would have gone down. welcome. glad to have you. i am neil cavuto, it maybe just hit me watching this big

dedication for bush library, and remembering that terror crisis back then, 10 days after the boston threat a very different post crisis, as horrible as boston was it could have been worse. and fallout, a lot more economically devastating. not talking about what they might have been planning for times square, i remember remembers the last time other terrorists were acting in this neck of the woods in manhattan. that is what made 9/11 doubly horrific, not only for greater loss of life and devastation, but it occurred in a doozy of's recession. company's earnings went into a crater before the attack, and went into a near freefall after. this time we have what by comparcomparison and i more sol- is a more solid economy. think about backdrop then versus now, most companies are

delivering. and in case of ups, they are delivering. out with numbers today that are better than most analysts thought. and confirming what has been a positive earnings season, thus far. in which 7 out of 10 company that have reported have beaten expectations, don't get me wrong, 3.1% earnings growth is hardly robust, but it is double what most thought a few weeks ago, considers after boston last week, all of the ceos saying, steady as she goes this week could maybe this year, we're looking fortunate about now. home sales are bumpy but they are better, retail sale are spotty. with you smoother, job gains not off the chart but off the matt, none is meant to minimize boston or latest threat to our world. i am saying it is a well the different from the post 9/11 world, fundamentals are better,

earnings are betters and ceo's outlooks are better, things are not -- well, robust, but these are not little things, these are big things. that tell terrorists you don't matter. to larry and how fundamentals now versus then, might have made a bigger difference than we appreciate, larry? >> well neil, 9/11 was a far more important far more devastating terrorist attack, and we were not prepared for it we were not thinking about it there has been a kind of normalization of our reaction to terrorist threats and actually terrorist attacks. so, i suppose that is part of it, as you say, fundamentals are stronger today. but it was fascinating watching that ceremony and emphasis on 9/11. by former president bush. and other former presidents who mentioned it as well, that is the focus of the effort to restore president bush's

presidency, at least in his history's highs. neil: the timing of this, only days, after the boston attacks, as if it was a reminder, oyeah, we remember that, a front and center focus. now this late est -- latest news that maybe the brothers were planning somebody bigger, a new york style. times square attack, this puts it more sharply into focus. i am wondering economically whether the backdrop is enough it weather those blows, the markets hearing the news were shake know a little bit that it might -- shaken a little bit but not in a freefall over it they -- took it all in i don't know, in like a passing -- yeah, it could have been, but it wasn't. >> it was an isolated event, that came apparent quickly, what it was. and it was ramped up within a

week -- it was wrapped up within a week. so i think that helped. i don't think you could underestimate the fact that we are normalized now to these sorts of evens, they happen from time to time, we almost field ourselves in a sense to be tougher. neil: are you surprised? by that, that you could never get used to terror, the israelis are closest people in that planet are, you are better prepared to correc cents to it t -- react to it whether it happens. >> it will never be dog bites man dog, it is always man bites dog when you have unfortunately incidents of terrorism. but nones less we have not reacted at any time since 9/11 the way we reacted on 9/11. and that is helped our economic situation, we respond quickly, we recover quickly. neil: all right.

larry thank you very. just we are kind of showing on this bush library dedication day the economy then, right prior to the attacks and the economy now, whether you want to look at it prior or post boston attacks, we're a lot stronger now than then. people forget we were in the middle of a recession before 9/11, a major contraction of the nazdaq it was literally halved in value, that was the environment going into this first major terrorist attacko u.s. soil. that was then circumstance it different now -- that was then, is it different now? what do you think? >> here is the thing, i look at economic cycles and bubbled about to burst, we know after 9/11 attacks, fed steps in lowers rates immediately, and sets "up in the air" for 200018. 2008, credit market freezes and housing bubble bursts, fast

forward, 5 years of a bull market, market at new record, people are wondering if here in the midst of a stock market bubble at risk to burst, maybe a bond bubble too. student loans as well. >> you know, if you think about it, john, we have a lot of variables that this could go bad on us. very quickly, i'm not even talking with the brothers, but, the thing that laurie pointed to. a bond market bubble, sledge studencollegestudent loan bubbl, yet the environment is far stronger economically than it was back then. i am wondering, is that why we shook off this latest threat, even with the news that there was a bigger threat or that there was a more involved plot

or for that matter, that it might have been a wider plot? what do you make of that? >> i think that is a big part of it, look, larry said was correct, this was wrapped up in a week. we don't know what is going to as far as the investigation into dagestan and relationships they might have in chechen region. we had to go to war or we went to war after the 9/11, we did not have to do that this time this was wrapped up in the week, and 9/11 occurred in middle of the bust, several years after the housing bi buffett. but we have structural issues and unemployment. now that houses has bursts, they don't have a job there is no job creation on the horizon, you add to that structural issues like student loan bubble, a possible credit bubble. neil: you know, i subscribe to

many a crack pot theoriy, one is that i think that bill clinton escaped impeachment, but because the economy was so good and markets do not want him to go, richard nixon did not, things were not that great, different incidents i grant you, this latest terror incident. i'm not minimizing it, by any means or comparing body counts for that matter, but i am saying in the economic environment far better today than back then, and that also pushing the blow. >> why is the economic environment so much better? it is propped up. neil: you think this is a short-lived response. >> we have become addicted to stimulus whether from federal reserve or federal government. neil: just a matter of time? we're sitting on a bubble. >> we've proven to ourselves the fed can just print more money and government can spent away,

this does concern he. neil: what do you make of that? with markets and environment for economy might appear better it might have been able to help us absorb the blows, but, we might be resting on not quite reassuring stuff? >> i agree, look. andrew johnson one vote short of im52. impeachment after president lincoln was assassinated because he was healing. i think president clinton got not impeached because the economy was booming at the time. i think right now we're seeing an economy that is doing fairly well. we're becoming a lot like northern ireland, we're looking at terrorism now, as a way of life. unfortunately that is terrible. neil: thank you. the older brother was on at least two government terror watch lists, and big time lawyers saying that victims already have more than enough

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neil: fbi, and cia a group of other alphabet soup agencies that knew about older brother. that he was put on a terror watch list, maybe three. attorney douglas burns saying that victims now have a pretty good case, your argument though is that -- when is corroborated by agencies that drop the ball. >> a very troubling chronology. russia alerred cia, that this was an individual engaging in more and more radical behavior, so the cia pushed fbi to put him on a terror alert list, most critically has to do with the airport, when he comes to u.s., you can red flag his arrival.

intrestingly enough he was red flagged whether he left u.s., you need coordination of information among agencies it appears something troubling helped here. neil: incompetence does not he help. but if you don't heed what is clear warning signs. but i am wondering it is tough to sue the government, isn't it? >> i'm not a monday morning quarterbacker by nature, i will say this, this is important, your observation yes, it is hard to sue the government with notions of protect, and immunity, good faith. but imsaying couple things, first to argument, that many have made, which is legitimate, i sense it you from, would be right, there are thousands of alerts all of the time, a needle in a hay stack, but others on

other side, that said, with respect to russia, there were very few, let's start with point one, very few of these reported, this was one of them, that could be very, very troubling. that is number two, then more specific information, you know in memos and warning not come out yet. neil: all right, i know there is more on that is just waiting. after 9/11, there were many tomented to the sue the government but -- who wanted to sue the government, but they were already set up on a compensation fund. so it mitigated i think back then. >> that is an outstanding segue you made, think about it we started off could they sue the government? well, the perfect example with 1999 a set up a -- with 9/11

they set up a fun to give remuneration to those who were harmed. >> but, there was enough we knew then that many figures were warned about the possibility of bad guys using planes to ram into buildings and bad communication, ro betwee betwees that led to homeland security. >> you made another really big point. think about it, which is that, you know after 9/11, the concept was there will be better funnelling of information that sort of where i was coming from. neil: now you can't rest on that, you have been warned. i'm not, haven't a lawyer and a stumbled upon that. >> you are smarter than most lawyers i know. neil: doug importants thankk byy

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>> a tron formation in the global economy challenge for world, but a present day national security threat for united states. neil: at first when my staff alerted me to national security advisor talking about climate change, it had to be weeks ago because no one in national security would be focused on climate change when the world is blowing up. and now we're expanding things to possibly times square, you

know syria using chemical weapons, no one would talk about that. then low and bo hole, it was yesterday -- behole of it yesterday, yesterday. and i am thinking to myself, someone has their head up their you know what. mercedes said this is inexcusable, john, and christian are here as well. i am note here to point -- not here to point fingers at left or right, just get a sense of where we are now, this loses sight of where we are now. we're in deep terror potential trouble, and talk of a widening role in part ofy in fair -- sources in the world and we're worried about climate change. >> i have to tell you, i cannot

imagine condoleezza rice coming out after 9/11 and start talking about climate change. neil: could you imagine if she had and did? oh, my goodness forget it. >> you know working at the white house, i can tell you when 9/11 happened, full focus was on the war on terror. this is where the president and his national security team needs to be. bombing terrorism that happened in boston. the possible attacks that could have happened in times square. we're talking about the homegrown terrorists, radical islamists here and abroad that we need to focus all our energy on. that is why obama administration needs pro or tries -- prioritize, national security advisor should not be out there and be focuses on climate change. neil: john? >> well, thank you, neil. and appreciate being here. again, we're finding actually -- i tell you, i think we as americans deliver to live in a

country, safe, secure and protected. as events of last week thanks to our men and women in military, that is happening, but infortunately what we're seeing is typical damp e -- example of washington out of touch with the american people, and we're seeing bully pulpit with scaremongering to advance extremist agendas, that is not what washington should be focussing on, we should focus on reducing tax and regulation, and giving people more hope. neil: i am not interested in left and right and agendas or anything, i see your point. i am saying if that is among the list of things i am talking about i would put it near the bottom of the list, suddenly news evens have superseded. like fox last week i would have loved to get into more earnings reports last week, but, there was this development in boston

that we were photocopying so -- we were following so news moves ahead of the report out of 3m. i am saying not to make light of it but to say g your priorities right. >> one thing is important to note, he made the remarks at an energy conference, not like they were unsolicited remarks at a press conference he initiated. it was topic appropriate. neil: he is the security advisor, i don't care if you -- if you appear at an, vent that might have nothing to do with topic at hand, any venue in which he speaks takes on added imcost answeimportance it just s stupid. >> sure, but do we dispute -- >> not getting into whether it is a man-made phenomenon, i am talking about something that was man-made in boston, and now man-made beyond boston. >> it has nothing to about with

the sources climate change it exists, regardless of the source its has real conflicts and instabilitiy it creates which create a national surity concern to u.s. >> i love you dealerly, but i think you are out of sink with reality apply issue is firemen coming to your house all ablaze, saying, have you checked patio furniture it is ou out of sync s the severity of the moment. >> correct, looking back at for example probe's inaugural addressing his prominent policy vow was to deal with climate change, but the climate, climate right now in america is not where we need to focus on climate change, we have deal with what is happening with our intelligence break down, we need to break down with priorities for example iran a true national security threat, and north

korea, what is happening in syria? we have these other very serious issues that national security team should be dealing work why would national security advisory go to a energy conference to speak sense epa admintraitors that makes more sense. >> this conversation suggestions that the government should not multitask. neil: they can't even single task, and quickly. -- so i am trying not to blame the president, not blaming the party, i am trying to say, my only point is this, john. enough. in this environment. right now, all eyes focused on avoiding when these brothers were planning, follow-up attacks, how vulnerible we were. where our security agents messed

up. if it was in great desire as there was after 9/11 to find out what president bush and his agents knew and when. we should be asking the same of this administration, and what it knew and when about brothers and their inch tent to did harm -- intent to do harm to this economy and country. >> that very true, i would add the fact a solid national security for america begins with solid economy security. neil, that means making sure that main street, small business owners, just americans have more certainty that begins with making sure we're holding government more accountable on those fronts when small businesses and americans feed of economy we help the budget to become a better america and make sure we have a more solid session session footing. >> we're get into that and what they are spending and how it is going, i will get back to christian and john and mercedes on that, don't go to far.

>> remember the tea party and own dis associates themselves, tea party, whattartea party? the tea party is back, they are rebooting. and starting to feel like booting.

neil: i guess you could call it a tee -- tea 2.0 party.

many saying that tea partiers have been the death of them. you say what? >> tea party represents the value that america has had, that made it strong. but,. neil: why are they treating congress like parias? >> it has more to do with weak leadership, and a lack of vision. neil: are you including the speaker of the house in that? >> speaker had concerned about the tea party, which causes me concerns about the speaker so what can i say. not as important about the tea party caucus here in washington, as it is the tea party caucus across america. tea party patriot across the nation have been concerned about

out of control government, out of control government spending, and perhaps if you know we had one of the best businessmen. philanthropic but he could not talk about obamacare it was modeled after romneycare, there were millions of americans who stayed home who were tea party folks they felt disen frankized it is time to get them energized. really they are independent, when our leadership and republican party talking we have to get independents on our side, they are talking about a lot of tea party people. neil: i don't know if they were all tea partiers congressman, but a lot of conservative republicans have been saying since the terror attacks, now post news that brothers might have been planning something bigger in new york. that we got to beef up national security, beef up defense. and that they are no different

from democrats who argue for more social spending that, if in doubt just turn more dollars out, where do you stan on that, whether for defense or national security? do you think we should be just as zealous trying to get our deficits under control, or refocus our priority? >> we need to be just as zealous getting our deficit under control, but if we would quit spending billions and billions on y thereway programs -- on throw away programs like solyndra and others. we could have billions we could use, if we secured border for so much cheaper. neil: do you are about that -- you know people are still whining about you know, plane delays, and faa cuts. i'm not saying whether they are

justified or not. >> i say they are not. neil: i hear you, believe me i think that we're -- something is not quite smelling right. but. lou, not, they got increases and they still cut. neil: i hear you, we're talking about this is kind of uproar you get whether 85 million worth of sequestration cuts over 10 years, most of them outer years, how will we do a fraction of stuff you mention? >> we got to bridge those who want on bring those who want out of control spending to reasonable trough, kicking and screaming, we got to do it for the sake of the country, as with deference to last segment you had, if you got out of control spending bankrupting a country you force guns to be sold to criminals in mexico, have you blundered over and over chances to rein in terrorists who killed americans, you bungled benghazi, and did not provide adequate

security, then, this would be a great time to talk about whether -- weather, people do that all over the country, whether or not iis -- weather is terrible. neil: congressman thank you. >> there is still hope, we have to stay after it. neil: feel better young man, hang on this that voice. congressman. all right, this just in new study out saying that neil cavuto is the best get this best looking most likeable anchor of all-time, that is right, better combined. did you hear who put out the report? um, me. me. do you think that is self-serving? wait until you hear how facebook just did the same thing. same hing. the capital one cash rewards card

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survey where they come outlook great. >> would you peck them to do a -- expect them to did a survey that is self-defeating. >> jonathan, i cannot believe you don't find this insane, most people do not understand how much may are being looked at. if you check in from fox news here that geodata goes up, all ads go there, and your friends on facebook site get a ad based on, that they make it hard not to have that pryaceas vaty invag -- privacy invading stuff. >> tobin, if facebook makes you so happy, why are you so active, and posting on facebook, you continue to post. neil: i have to let you respond. >> i have theor privacy stuff

turned off, so i can use it the way i want to use it, god bless you for mentioning facebook again. but not all people don't do that. neil: me doth think you protest too much. anyway, u.s. airways, $300 to change international flights, this on top of the delight awaiting at airports longer just to get on a plane, jonathan you said flyers should stop whining. >> they should, sometimes i think you had a bad experience on a flight as a kid. i don't fly -- >> you should feel for the common man, i'm with the people. >> the common man flight has gone down in price over time,.

neil: not if i -- change the flight this morning. >> there is a surcharge associates with changes a flight. neil: thanksgiving $200 is highway robbery. >> there are 2 things. for 50 years or 60 years, your life, the airlines did not work, they sell a portio stuff, now, y sell items by item. if you have a nonbusiness traveler you have been getting hosed for years, this is nothing new just hosed worse. neil: you are right but this is dramatic, saying overall that the lower prices and also why do they have to nickel and dime

you. why not go up front this is fee from this city to this city and be done with it. >> the thing that annoys people the most is not the extra $50 is thing that company have no control like airports, and faa, elements that ai airlines do not control. that is what makes airline experience distaste full, not the 200 bucks because you know what, you did change your flight. >> in a hotel, you are charged if you cancel because they cannot get that space back, the same with the planes, you cannot resell that seat. neil: you are so out of touch with the people, i am in touch with the people. >> yeah, said the man with $300 tie. neil: this is is $300, then i am ja lalanne.

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hoenig it is on me. >> i think it, it great, a time to make money this could be a tremendous revenue generate or. >> can you imagine the drinks piled up on a poor woman's seat. >> and in addition to people buying drinks they is send a text from seat to seat, a major value added you talk about a 6 hour flight. neil: wait aaminute, wait, wait. you are a lot younger and a lot hipper than i am, but you text someone on the same plane, just get up and talk to them. them. >> no. >> my seat belt is firmly attached at all-times. >> and your seat in a up right position. >> thank you very much. >> drones here to protect or spy

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neil: there are still people who are more worried about privacy up vagues, but -- invasions but drone makers still on the offensive. gretchen west, association for unmanned vehicle systems represents over 2500 companies in 55 countries, gretchen this says something about power of drones now you have an association that represents it. but, i dare say that the environment is changed a little bit. privacy advocates taking a bat backseat to i want to say alive advocates, is there a need for

folks like you to send out the reminder. >> our association has been around 41 years, and we started representing unmanned aircraft. now ground and -- robotics as well. neil: when did drones join your list? >> drones are historically military targets, we call them unmanned aircraft, we've been representing that community for 40 years now, technology has been around for a long time, we seeing more and more benefits from defense to civil, hopefully commercial markets once some regulation that faa puts out are more open. >> has it been as tough to sell -- i am thinking of rand paul in that middle of fill bust or the white house over -- filibuster on the white house over the drone thing, and he had to dial back with me a while, saying when it applies to boston maybe

not, sort of in a catch 22 position, but the whole controversy of drone eased a little bit. people pondering well we don't like being intruded upon but we don't like being killed either. >> unmanned aircraft are just a platform for a certain type of surveillance whether law enforcement or first responder or monitoring pipelines, the platform is not what we should talk about privacy advocates talk about privacy and their concerns, they need to look at data collected, there needs to be some better rules how data is collected, stored and used however collected, that is really irrelevant to the argument. >> gretchen west thank you very much in washington, d.c., how quickly things have changed in the last 10 days or so. >> as you might or might not have heard debt is soaring but government is paying millions of

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neil: you know in the scheme of things it is not that money but it is -- washington spending to maine empty bank accounts. keep them running, they doled out 11 million last year in imprommer tax refund -- improper tax rebund for one time of credit. it gets worse, mercedes? >> it explains fundamental problem in washington. which is that the government is spending -- has little concern for spending 9 94 other people's money, you have case of look at report inspector general, the government could save

15.7 billion if they could just see the money wasted, 1.8 billion for medicare over payment. these are just several of figures that you can find out there tha government is more concerned about preserving its existence, they want to make sure they continue to receive money from congress, less concerned about efficiencies and putting in more market-based incentives you can see where you are losing money. neil: christian you agree with that, right? >> yeah, n you know, one thing we have to be thank full for we have government account guilty that tells us -- awon buil account bs tells but this but this highlights really the folly of sequestration as a fiscal policy, because it indiscriminately punishes all programs whether they are

or not, like punishing all of your kids wn just one of them broke the rule. neil: one might have done the crime, but they are all culpable the way they act so i punish them all. but my only point, john, stepping back, saying whether it sequestration or something else. the repeat of whether under democratic administrations or republican administrations. the r redunn dent sees we see, t keeps happening, i think that you know to christians point we try to stop and not do that again, but like a cockroach they move into other areas. >> they do. we represent about 400,000 small business owners here. they tell us the same thing, no

faith that government is being responsible or honest with their hard earned tax dollars. small business owners demand that government do what they have to do every day, balance their book, tighten their belt. why shouldn't government be held to the same standard that a small business owner does on main street every day. that is just wrong right now. neil: the bigger the numbers get, mercedes, the you know i have a rule with contractors not all, that there is a 10% waste or just bribe built into their estimates. and if i applied that to government spending, and the trillions that we spend each year, then that is hundreds of billions that just built in that will be littered away. >> that right. so i think for example, you so folks saying -- see folks saying

there was a contracting bid out, government would take one or two bids, they could have saved about $175 million if they would have picked out a couple forbids, it is sort of this inert, inefficiency that is built into the government, they are spending someone else's money, not necessarily needing to econ myself and try to improve their work, what i see here for example with the gao, yes, they report on the inefficiencies, but it is too late, you made the over payments, you know, in different areas, you can't get the money back, so it makes it frustrating i think for the american people who are having to pay more taxes, having t to -- fund this inefficient government. these agents know that congress holds power to give them more money every year. neil: but there -- among

questioning the same thing, on you have to be alarmed. this is ripe for more potential abuse. >> no one hates waste more than me, i want to see tax dollar go as efficiency as possible. >> you are disappointed and what grinned at what happened ? >> i am, you know what it eliminates the faith and the support that we have for programs that actual doe work. because -- that actual doe work. we are putting government in we're not all government programs are run inefficiently. so we need to release separate what is the problem and go with fixing the problems instead of putting all of government in the same negative light. neil: the worry is that we don't do that. >> we don't do that at all, and all the while, we see 12 million americans out of work. we are seeing small doesn't -- small business failures increased.

we are seeing people very scared in america right now, and they are frustrated with government that just keeps ticking the dollars out of their pocket with no accountability. these are just cussed examples. again, a mom-and-pop, they are demanding the government work the same way they do. stay within your means. this is just very frustrating for them. let's stop the madness today. we have two or we will be crushing every community in america. john: the bottom line, what could have been an attack on times square, boston, i see little, you know, talk about getting the spending and the control, little talk about immigration reform bill getting done. so i actually have less faith than i did prior to these attacks. >> the way we typically respond is you mentioned this earlier. from many of the problem. that is clean up the best way to go about solving problems. you need to figure out what it

is would be effective and put all the resources necessary to do that, but that is not typically the way we operate. neil: know it is not. i wish we have more time. i wish we did. we do not. i'm angry. leavitt that. ♪ john: who cares? a slightly different code means you have been struck. 13,000. john: government mess. >> obamacare is working. >> this is a simple, strong, good thing. john: and then there is free-market. >> my cell phone, my e-mail address. >> the long-term players in the medical business need to be pushed to a new way of looking at things. john: well will be the new way? government? free-market? and what happens when the conflict? >> thereof the criminal. >> are you still there? john: i hope so. any hint to treat my dog. will that be legal? free-market medicine. that is our sho