live button. radio show is ever weekday from 3:00 to 6:00 eastern time. we'll have another great tv show for you right here on fox business a notwithstanding you for being with us. there appears to be a break in the obama administration's seven long effort to limit the public's knowledge on the terrorist attack in benghazi and that resulted in the murders of christopher stevens and scene smith and glen do you her at this. four career employees are seeking counsel from private attorneys to represent the in the face of white house threats to prevent them from divulging classified information to congress about benghazi. the perspective whcs have

considerable knowledge what happened during the attack on the consulate and apparently the obama administration is concerning their views don't support the so-called official account of events. former justice official of the house intelligence committee victoria say it's a vlation of law. she represents one of the state department employees. >> my client is being so compliant with the law. here is the state department was trying to ignore this until you beat up on this. they were obstructing justice. >> adam housley has learned from an unnamed special operator who watched the events that took place in benghazi that the official account may be wrong, perhaps terribly weakening. they say the united states had military assets in position to act and respond to save at least

two of the lives that were lost in that attack. we take you a of that up tonight with former c.i.a. operative michael sawyer who led the bin laden unit and thomas mcnerney and congressman robert lotta on the losing war on tracking and the crush the keystone pipeline. someone inside the obama white house is issuing threats and intimidating employees of the state departmental that wishes to share critical information. fox news chief washington correspondent james rosen has our report. >> state department pushed back against charges first aired on fox news alleging thatenghazi whistleblowers have faced threats and intimidation.

>> we do have to look at the issue and de-politicize it. american people deserve answers. i'm determined there will be an accountable and open state department. >> the state department would never tolerate sanction retaliation against whistleblowers on any issue. that is an obligation we take very seriously. >> president obama professed to be aware of loaning standing efforts to question survivors of the benghazi attack in which terrorists killed the u.s. ambassador to libya and three other americans. >> i'm not familiar with this notion that anybody has been blocked from testifying. so with a i'll do is i will find out what exactly you are referring to. >> on mochb, former justice department official victoria tony sing identified herse as one of the attorney as benghazi whistleblower but they say no

such whistleblowers have come forward. yet republican congressman darre issa wrote to the state department's number two lawyer back on april 16. attorneys representing department personnel in this matter will require clearance to possess and discuss sensitive information. >> they've had two letters from chairman issa, one on april 16, the other one april 26. we want you to provide a process clearing a laer to receive classified information. how can they lie to the press corps. >> that is why we need to give them immunity. the administration has lost his credibility. >> fox news has learned that the house oversight government reform committee will hold a fresh round on benghazi with the first slated to start next week.

here now to talk about the administration a and benghazi, e mixed messages and appearance of a stone wall over more than 7-month period, former c.i.a. operative and head of the bin laden tracking unit and mike iterney. let me begin with you. i will put it this way and i don't in a trivial manner. the noise that is suddenly being made on this date about bwz at least four whistleblowers coming forward at this time? >> it's not surprising, they suppress the truth, they decided

not to rescue four americans that were in trouble when they knew how deep that trouble was. we have had a continuing series of lies. this is clinton saying she didn't know that her ambassador needed more security. the president going off to las vegas to raise money instead of trying to help those people that were being attacked, it's kind of embulus parade of lies. i think the dam is breaking here because of the special forces fellow. there is no doubt that we could have made an effort even with the peopleho were on the ground there. >> general, the assets are in place in position, whether the southern europe or whether it be in northern africa, do you have a read as to the degree to which you have confidence in with a the official account is that there were not assets in position to deploy to rescue these americans, specifically the four who were killed?

>> no, i don't have confidence, lou. first of all, let's remember it was 9/11, 11th anniversary of the most horrific taking on the united states. we had assets in the mediterranean. we have a fighter base of f-16s and should have been on airborne alert right off of libya. we gone through actions taken down moammar khadafy. >> we had a c-10 force and spenl operations force in croatia on an exercise. on 9/11, why would you have such a valuable asset in another area on an exercise rather than say at signella or in libya on alert? why were there not more airborne ground alerted forth on that

very special day. >> and southern italy, libya is itself. michael, this group, covert force compromised of as adam housley reported some 40 c.i.a. operatives. is it typical they would be able to be dispatched on that quick a notice to speed in time all the way to benghazi? >> in the case of benghazi, in the case of libya, as the general just said, libya was falling apart. the administration wanted to continue the pletense that democracy was coming. certainly as an intelligence officers you are alws respectful of what the president or the political people say, but nonetheless you put forces in place just in case it happens when they are wrong. i'm sure that the military both in terms of special forces and

the marines and the agency had people ready to help. you have to remember on the friday before they leaked the story to make sure that petraeus had to resign, he said no one at the c.i.a. refused to help those people who were undee attack which directly leads back to the white house as the people who stopped a mission to save them. >> are you intimate go that petraeus' fall, he was hardly the first general to have an affair -- are you suggesting that that affair was tied to take responsibility or make it abundantly clear where the blame lies? >> i think there is no doubt about it based on the information that came out afterwards. the affair had been examined and found to have no national security implications. obama had to get rid of the

secretary of defense because he had been a strong secretary of defense and a c.i.a. director and petraeus also knew from his experience that we're not involved in a law enforcement action against islamists. this is war. he had to get rid of petraeus and had to put somebody in like john brennan to tow the line. >> poop boy aside, do you agree with michael's assessment here? what are your views? >> i think michael said it about right. if general petraeus is rought back, subpoenaed or brought back to testify, he is going to tell the truth. that is very important for the committee to do. it's equally important to get survivors, people who were engaged in the operation to testify which the administration here to for has not happened. many have been shifted so the

media couldn't get them right away. i believe we have other problems with the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and very strong secretary of defense panetta who's answers under oath were not compelling. once the dam starts to break, there will be lot of people coming forward and discussing their views. >> thank you very much. good to have you with us. >> consumer confidence hit a three-year high. stocks hit a record. the boys used double miles from their capital one venture card to fly home for the big family reunion. you must be garth's father? hello. mother. mother! traveling is easy with the venture card

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he was the house and senate. now, he doesn't have that same power. frankly i don't think he can push through bad legislation like he used to. that is good sign for the country. sooner or later we're going to get rid of obamacare almost entirely. its terrible program. it's hurting the economy. that is why we have a slow growth and recovery. once that is gone you will see a boom in this economy like never before. >> lou: we'll take a look at a revealing poll in the next segment. it's kaiser came out with a new poll on obamacare. it's amazing. it's confident with what would you said but not confident the nobel prize go economist paul grugman and professor neil ferguson who is finest

historians and economic thinkers, as well. krugman said the drive for austerity has lost his intellectual fig leaf and stand exposed -- >> he is a very good writer a even if it is nonsense. >> professor ferguson responds. >> lou: referring to a recent harvard study showing that there was small mistake in a study. as ferguson says, it doesn't change the fact. high debt constrains opportunity for growth.

your thoughts, arbitrated this for us. >> i think high debt does, but i don't like to focus on debt. i like to focus on taxes and spending. if you have high debt because you broaden the base but if you have high debt because you are paying people not to work, you have slower growth. when you look at this debt. i want to make sure that neither krugman nor ferguson are trying to talk me or american people to raise taxes to pay that debt down. i have never heard of an economy tax in order prosperity. i wish they talk about taxes and spending rather than debt. they go after this debt issue. it matters how you get your debt >> lou: i would rather they spur creation of jobs and be done with it. >> me too. >> lou: it's so dreary.

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anything. look at that performance. that is disaster. just ask governor romney. consider this, president obama won last year with historically low percentage of white voters. he achieved only 39%. the president, however, had a little extra support in other places. 71% of the happy vote. and 73% of asians voted for president obama. but the black vote was spectacular. he got 93% of the back vote. talk about a consensus, that is a consensus. according to fray the key to victory was in that black voter turnout. even though they make up 12% of the eligible voters in the

country, they turned out 13% of the total votes. black voters turned out at a higher rate than white voters last year. if white and black voters turned out the same rate as they did back in 2004, there was a difference of 4% in the overall turnout, governor romney would have actually won the election. not clear that the democratic party can repeat last year's performance when the nation's first black president isn't on the ballot. one thing is clear. everything the republican party did last year was inadequate. it wasn't enough. a lot of it was just dead wrong. some of those fancy super pacs and big budgets they demonstrated they aren't enough and republican party has a lot of thinking to do.

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>>. >> lou: our next guest says the proble is illegal immigration it's legal immigration and boston bombers are the latest example. ann coulter is best selling author but we're talking about mugged, racial demo graph. >> good to be here. >> you are against legal immigration. you can only imagine the stirrings around the country. >> i'm not against legal immigration. i'm thinking we should be picky,

a little choosy. i would like skilled immigrants that speak english and familiar with our culture. you want to get your average up through immigration, who are better than us, not worse than us but instead of skimming the cream we are scraping the bottom of the barrel, taking their terrorists and their losers and poor people. their citizens that are it literal in their own languages. they come here and lots of them they can't make it. i think americans like from hollywood movies they lash out and start shooting americans. >> lou: a few of them. >> zero immigrants should be collecting welfare and setting off bombs and sprays go large number of them are doing those. >> lou: you realize i never

heard a politician in this country say that this country should ever standards which we bring into our country which we had throughout our history. >> 1965. >> you point out edward kennedy authored a 1965 people of legislation that changed the immigration policies and it correlates to some very serious issues for society in america? >> yes, including for those that care about having two parties, including the death of the republican party. romney would have won the last election if we had the same population in america that we had demographically that we had in 1980, but teddy kennedy's plan cut off the immigrants where they had been coming for the first 200 years of existence. no, you can't come here if you

are a danish surgeon, we're going to get the push cart operator from pakistan because his cousin immigrated here a month mog mo ago. entire tribes are moving here. you especially here on the business channel, everybody is talking about these poor guys with the blue collar jobs. what we need is the high i.q. labor force -- why are we importing all these low skilled people. >> lou: we know the reason we are in part because there is a land bridge. we know that is now a -- i wou like you to listen what eric holder had to say about this issue. if we may on the fast citizenship. >> the way we treat our friends and neighbors who are

undocumented by creating a mechanism for them to earn citizenship and move out of shadows transcends the issue of immigration status. this is matter of civil and human rights. >> lou: it's inspiring. i can't find any connection whatsoever to your civil rights or i haven't heard anyone suggest that people who are acting in contra investigation of your laws are somehow entitled to civil rights? >> people the people aren't americans. you are sinking the boat here. >> lou: why is it that the chamber of commerce, business roundtable, all of the elites on the right and left are combined? they spent, by the way, $1.5 billion from 2008 to 2012 lobbying on this one issue, more than any other issue before the

u.s. congress and senate. >> they want cheap labor. rest of us make up the difference. i have never seen an issue the elite the elected representatives and media or one side and that is why they have to lie. to see marco rubio saying, oh, no, they won't be able to collect any government assistance of. he said a week after they voted down to prevent illegal aliens to get benefits under obamacare. about 50% of illegal immigrants are collecting welfare now. >> lou: it is a peculiar time in american history. >> it's this idea of fairness. it's a crazy idea of fairness in the '60s like a basketball team should not be able to choose the

best basketball players. i'm going to be a slow wrestler. we have our own poor people. social security won't be there for them and the immigrants where they can start collecting social security benefits. >> lou: and being lied to the whole way. thank goodness, ann coulter you are here to keep us straight. we appreciate it. >> the red linen syria and erratic foreign policy, fox national surity experts k.t. mcfarland and john bolton with us next. [ man ] on december 17, 1903, the wright brothers became the first in flight. [ goodall ] i think the most amazing thing is how like us these chimpanzees are. [ laughing ] [ woman ] can you hear me? and you hear your voice? oh, it's exciting! [ man ] touchdown confirmed. we're safe on mars. [ cheers and applause ] ♪

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in >>. >> lou: joining me now, former pentagon official, fox news analyst. k.t. mcfarland, fox news contributor john bolton. k.t., let me start with you. the fact that we know now there

are four whistleblowers that shall attacking as we specifically the position by the administration that there was no option to bring military force to bear. your thoughts? >> i understand that they want to cover up for it but if will is blood on somebody's hands? if they had an option to send someone during that eight hour period and they made the decision in advance, don't bother us, that is blood on their hands. >> i've known vicky tony sing since our days at the meese justice department. since he left government she has made a small specialty in representing the whistleblowers in the intelligence community. she knows her stuff. if she says these people are being threatened, i take her at her word. i think it's a signal to

congress. it's too long since we had real answers about benghazi. survivors have not been permitted to testify is inexcusable. i think it's time to open this thing up and find out what really happened. >> lou: congress has done its best. it's impotent in the face of executive power. >> they can subpoena witnesses and they should. honestly they let secretary of state clinton off the hook during her testimony. they didn't ask hard questions. this requires legwork in advance. it's not just the hearings on tv but the work behind the camera. >> lou: i would question whether or not there is an effective route open to congress without witnesses, without certain knowledge. if we see -- look, we just watch darrell issa and the oversight

committee find this administration's chief law enforcement officer, eric holder in contempt of congress. >> i think it's time for a special prosecutor and select committee to investigate this. >> lou: can you imagine this administration. >> they have done it to president nixon or reagan. >> can you imagine that. >> that is why they need a special committee to investigate this. the people that were there, if you come forward your career is over. you lose your security clearance. we can prosecute you if you become a whistleblower and your cover will be blown. you'll never get a job again. >> lou: any doubt about the complicit and alliance between this administration, ambassador and the national liberal media it will be on this story that

those doubts would be resolved. without a response the state, it will be left exactly where it stands tonight. wouldn't you agree? >> i agree. that is why subpoenas are important. subpoena the people that the administration is not letting come forward. then they have no choice. they have to go forth. it's protection for them against these threats that vicky and others have been talking about. >> lou: let's turn to syria. we've got the g.o.p., calling for action that their red line has been crossed. i would have to say it's breathtaking to hear john mccain lindsay graham, corker talking about what has to be done if they are running the state department. this is in and of itself a departure of demeanor from the loyal opposition on a foreign

policy issue, don't you think, ambassador? >> yeah, the fact is the obama administration red line was a bad idea. the fact he is not going to enforce his own red line is a worse idea. it is a credibility hit to him. it's a credibility hit to the government itself. just because you do one foolish thing means you have to do another foolish thing. >> lou: reconcile something for me. we have had over 70,000 people murdered in the country of mexico. that is on our border. there hasn't been a peep from this administration about the narco violence that has raged through mexico. we suddenly have a group of council of foreign relation subscribers, we have to go to war in syria. can somebody square that.

>> it's time to take a deep breath. what are our objectives in syria by saying, red line and not sure what to do. chemical weapons, send in the marines. we do not belong in the middle of another sill war. problem with the chemical weapons, go in and destroy them. have our allies allies do it. >> lou: thank you. >> the epa working to delay the keystone pipeline. did i say epa -- i meant president obama. we'll be joined by congressman, what happens next is next.

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>>. >> lou: environmental protection agency today opening the door to another keystone pipeline delay picking a fight over the state department that found the pipeline would have no significant impact on climate change. they call the analysis insufficient despite being the most advanced and studied pipeline project in american history. joining us tonight is bob ladda a member of the house committee on energy and commerce. it's great to have you with us. your reaction to the epa. this looks like, this is intramural fight. >> you are absolutely right. this is most studied pipeline in history. we've had just last week, they finished a supplemental that was done on april 22nd which is now starting another 90-day report they are going to be doing. it comes down to, they want to

study this thing to debt. big thing we've already seen the state department come out and said, there is insignificant minimal impact here. it has to go forward. we're talking about 830,000 barrels of oil that come into the united states from canada that would create 20,000 jobs and another 100,000. >> lou: it's been out of hands of the house of representatives because this president and senate are going to drive policy in near almost every instance but with the epa stepping in, it had been the state department's game to approve the administration to approve and move on. people forget, epa is this administration. this is the president speaking. this isn't the epa. >> it's supposed to happen the state department says, this is in the national interests to have this pipeline. president would give the presidential permit to get it

moving. it's sitting in committee and we've heard it over and over, epa saying there is this problem and that problem. we want to make sure again this oil is coming to the united states. canadians are best trading partners, plus we don't want to see that oil going to china or to india going to the west coast of canada. >> lou: there are all sorts of strategic issues, job issues, economic issues here. there is also just good judgment and architecture of values that will set the stage for the country's destiny to at least through this century. we are the world's richest nation in terms of energy reserves. for this kind of decision to be taken by the administration, this will be a pivotal issue in the 2014 elections, don't you think? >> i think so. especially in the midwestern states where the pipeline is going through, you have the senate races that will be hotly

contested. it will be asking those members or those candidates, where do youtand on this pipeline. again, it's just not, people are going to know, this is private line. this is nothing to do with federal taxpayer dollars. this a private line that will bring the oil into this country. that is going to be a big issue for those states. >> lou: very important decision today, important ruling by the department of environmental protection. state department in pennsylvania ruling that there is no evidence whatsoever to connect natural gas drilling with high levels of methane found in private water supplies in the town of franklin pennsylvania. it clears the way for fracking in pennsylvania. is eight boon nationwide next-door for example in new york? >> i think it's important. individual states are out there

doing the regulations and putting the laws on the books they have to do. when you look at the federal vernment or epa thing they will have a one size fits all. what they do in pennsylvania is different than ohio or north and south dakota. it's different. when the states are out there, they are the ones that have to answer to their constituents so i think it's very important ruling. >> lou: this is war between the obama administration and environmental protection agency and industry, particularly the petroleum industry, chemical industry across ts country. who is going to win? >> i think the american people will win. when i say the american peop. it's the jobs that are created. over three million jobs most likely in oil and gas production in this country. you are absolutely right. when you are talking about where we've come. 25, 30 years ago people were saying, this country has no energy. has no supplies, here we are

sitting on this vast amount of natural gas. i got 60,000 manufacturing jobs in my district. a lot of those countries say. we would love to have our trucks flowing on natural gas. let's get it. >> lou: congressman, thanks for being here. look forward to talking to you soon. >> a decade of war in iraq and afghanistan. afghanistan. author valley nassar says the capital one cash rewards card gives you 1% cash back on all purchases plus a 50% annual bonus. and everyone wants... ♪ 50% more doo wop ♪ 50% more buckarooooooooos ♪ 50% more yeeeaaahhhh!!!! ♪ 50% more yeah yeah [ male announcer ] the capital one cash rewards card gives you 1% cash back on every purchase, plus a 50% annual bonus on the cash you earn. it's the card for people who like more cash. ♪ 50% more boogie ♪ what's in your wallet? cashhhhh!!!

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lou: talking with our next guest said that battle for power within obama administration sent american foreign policy into retreat making country look less engaged. joining us now, best selling author of brand-new book "the dispensable nation."

vali nasr, welcome, we recommend your book. the need to stop leading militarily, you and i are having this conversation to day that president talks about game changers and red lines once again in syria and rhetori rhett continues. what is going on here? >> well president laid down a red line if syria uses chemical weapon then u.s. will get involved in the conflict, syria -- there severed tha there is ea has done so, if america does not do anything, it is about our credibility.

our willingness to enforce our red line, we're not doing so that would impact our standing. lou: our standing is already i guess, suspect, given all developments. we have watched the obama drama, if you will with north korea recede from headlines with boston bombing, we have now watching a president recede from his red line deck l declarationa number of months iran remains a in middle east, where is this leading us? >> message outside to everyone that wireless engaged with the world, we don't want to lead on critical issues globally there is north korea and syria, have you crises that really require american leadership. in order t galvanize international community around longerstitutions, but also, is

cases like arab spring since had happened we've been disengaged in an important region of world, as development push it in new directs, message outside is that we are downgrading the importance of foreign policy, we don't see as much value of our role in the world, we don't want to b a leading player that leads everyone to march to their own drummer that creates a greater chaos, that we're seeing with syria. in last twos being for the best. >> vali i look forward to your earlier return to the broadcast. congratulation on your new book indispensable. thank you very much.

>> thank you. lou: go to loudobbs.com. you can get links directly to the purchase of theook, have a . we will see you tomorrow. john: and they're off. south dakota an early lead. in which state our people freest? >> new hampshire is looking especially coveted. john: laboratories of democracy. states can battle over smoking weed. >> should the federal government telling you what to put in your body? >> no. >> this is what democracy looks like. john: whether you can be forced to join a union. the battle over how much money you must give to government. >> indiana and delaware are rocketing. john: which strangles freedom?