but that is a bombshell at the good oflood -- a the end of the discussion. we will continue to monitor the fallout. >> absolutely fantaic we will see you again. >> are you ready colonel? >> does america still have a true grit? space some why is taking a risk becoming illegal? and the that upsets the cowboy liberrian the idea you will retaliate can ban something is crazy. >> should this behavior be banned? it is time to toughen up this is it. >> these perdu engineers offended people because they are all white. is that offensive? at least some americans still have t. to l like the

businessman who fought back after thishappened. >> a tornado cut a path of destruction. t-72, what happened to it? that is our show tonight. john: the dictionary says 82 means firmness of character and the indomitable spirit some people think ofcowboys like characters pyed by john wayne and clint eastwood people think of patrick dorinson. whos he? a radio host who calls himself the cowboys a libertarian argues the bloated government is killing off grit in aerica. >> we have become a dependent state and we decided to trade freedom for security to say let the government handlthese things let's be dependent the government. john: you say your parents are very different.

>> absolutely they said if you want to go be something in your life you have to get out there a start working when you are young, start doing things and demonstrate the ability to stand by your own 2 feet the last few yearswe have been teaching self-esteem instead of self-reliance. john: they like them so. >> that is great we build an ice nation of narcissist. fe has risk you cannot litigate or legislate your way out of every problem. something just happene. john: the one thing is we baby boomers embrace was the welfare state. i believed this would end poverty and it is a good example of the dependency talk because if you look at a graph of what happened after the war on poverty began it is true poverty dropd the first five years 9 million people were helped the look that since then the lineoes up andown and the top people to be

dependent andprogress stopped and oked at the five years before the war on poverty and people were lifting themselves out of poverty on their own without government. government helped a few people then stop the progress. >> look what else. katrina. hurricane katrina was predicted now we have th ility to know that hurricane is coming your way and will hit new orleans like a powful powerful test. so people sat there and waited for the government to come to bring t bus to take them to safety. that you hav 10 days warning you start walking. you pack up your gear in and say i have got to get out of here because i have to save myself. no. peopleat there and said wait uil the government picks me up then people were sitting in the superdome. american people have become more of urbanized.m. surbanized and they wa

more things than the happy to sayay we will give you this a.m. best can that this tendency in this dependency and this service and people say keep doing ththat give us more goodies. once congress can find out a can bribe the public with its own money that is the end of the republic. congress figured out how to do with every local official they take your money and then it is that and saying stand by your own 2 feet. john: it offers extended unemployment benefits. can learn from denmark they once gave laid-off workers five years of unemployment benefits when did they finally find work? surprise. after exactly five years so denmark cut benefitshat for years then they found jobs in four years now it is limite at twoears but at

least they are learning people in this country say know we should go the other way. these people are suffering and give moreenefit. >> sococial governments in europe are running away from the welfare state and away from the fire but americans are dousing themselve as cosel -- gasoline that will burdown the whole structure because we cannot afford these things but it is about the character of the nation. if we keep puttinghe government do things for us what is this a about uas a people? john: i suppose you may say it is easy to talk about the harm done by the welfare state as we are privileged white guys but what about poor people are minorities? let's talk to mebody who is not white and grew up far from privilege. deneen borelli author of "backlash" claiming the left is driving americans to the government's plantation? >> the government economic

plantation because there are y too many people who feel they are entitled to government support huhrey every day one and need to look at the nuer of people who are obtaining government assistance we also trading that for votes. >> the number keeps going up and the numbers e deplorable money put that in perspective the state of california there are more people on food stamps. john: but the jobs are ou there. may not be the job that you won b in my book "backlas i have worked a number of jobs and i was not the only crazy look at new jeey department of motor vehicles of manual typewriters and without a typewritert w an experience but not the ial

situation but i did it. john: the jobs are out there last year i went to the welfare office not far from here and ask people why are you getting handouts? >> no jobs? didn't reay? i asked my team to check that out. within a few blocks they found lots of bsinesses that want to hire people. of 79 businesses that we asked him less than two hours, 40 said they would hire, 24 said they'd take people with no expeence. the owner of this restaurant saide would hire lots of people. >> dominated come with no experience? >> i would probably take nine people and train them. john: at the welfare office people would toll on -- tell us there are no jobs. >> the net this woman who says she works for a human-resoces there are no jobs around? >> i don't thi so o there wouldn't be a line.

john: arc some of them are not trying? some of them are not you can tell those that are. >> you think you encourage people to be dependent? >> yes we do. john: what shouldwe do? >> i don'tnow. stop giving away the money then they get a job. john: handiwork for the government. >> that's right. %-someone in the government says that. >> the jobs are out there. you need to take responsibility and not rely on the government. it has extended unemployment benefits that after that people go on disability i don't understand that. but we are broke. john: using the racal part you use the government plantation that it implies slavery that isery different. >> call it economic slavery and when you look at the people who are relying on government for the everyday ones antony's those resources are limited and

with those come restrictions if you are gainfully ememployed you can dohat everyone would resources and the sky's the limit is you can make as much money as you want when i left home i did not a no where job i would take but i took a job where i knew i could learn sothing and gain from it and indians from there. john: you say growing up you heard messages from civil rights -- rights leaders and said don't do that? >> yes. i call them the black liberal establishment community activist the naacp that message but it is the same message. john: that you cannot make it and blame others. john: charles murray saiin the book losing ground we tried to provide more for the pork and pduced more pork instead inadvertently we build a trap. >> absolutely.

to the people have babies will pay you to have children we would give you a day and welfare for not working and housing that u don't have to pay for if you have no skin and the game if yodon't have to ll out a lease with the deposit and pay re and then what is the difference? you have no skin in the game. she said plantation? i think we have a vtical indian reservation where we warehouse human beings. john: talk about the children you say you punish the children they are innocent. >> of course, but at some point* you have to breakhe cycle of poverty if you keep maki more pork people because we are now for five generations into people who have nothing else than government support. >> joint -- jge judy overstocks about the cas but then she says had to make a ling?

i get aid and they know government programs like the back of their nd but that is a they now. john: on amazon we looked at your page 45 there are some nasty comments about you. >> you are despicable. it is easy and profitable to pander to the republicans give them one more blackface to try to show that we are not racist. >> there are two types of conservatives, the very rich and pools and deneen borelli falls in to the latter category. >> i am an american i don't care what the comments are that people write about. the reason ty're right those comments is to tryo stifle me and shut me down because my message is resonating. i am about liberty. john: it is resonating? t welfare state growing >> people are coming out of the closet called black conservatives coming

announcing they appreciate what i do and what i say but they are afraid to be targeted and criticized by friends andnd family wn they agree with what i say. hn: when you say we made progress and i am skeptical i think of snapped which is the w name for welfare i guess less of a stigma. >> the gb stupid name for atrocious p program. [laughter] but they host the go themed parties for eldederly to encourage them to get food ststamps. >> whistle is how embarrassing our government is running ads for these partieto get more people to rely on the government and obama said he wants to fundamentally transform america to be more pendent on the government ispart of that plan and it is the wrong plan for our country. john: you see people being

in cities likethis and when i was a kid i would feel sorry for them and give them many. then we did test to find almost all of them had homes and were skimming people and the social service agencies say don't give to these e hour and made $11. more than minimum wage by giving money to then you are teaching them to be dependent to say you don't ne to work. >> we're teaching people to eat fish but not how to fish it is the old cliche it is ue the more you make people dependent they will not try to find themselves. >> we have to judge the program of milton friedman number their intention but their effectiveness. >> we have to many that are ineffective and you canno get ready -- rid of any of them. thank you. coming up we wanto protect our children but to as we

protect them or do we rob them of grit? we help kids tests are limits but now americans are toldo get rid of risk,

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jackson was our seventh president he is on a $20 bill and during the revolutionary war jackson volunteered to fight and was at the time. the british captured him and made him ar british officers 11 ordered jackson to clean his boots he said no and the officer lifted h ward and slashed jackson's hand and then he nearly starved in a prison mp but he had grit and survive damage on to become prident. did you have that much when you were a kid? i doubt that i have it now and today i your parents say th have to protect their kids from all danger. some do notet teen-agers go to school by tmsels that is nuts says lenore skanayzy saying ameritech needs and free range kids. >> their kids we believe and and don't think they are in

constant farrell when they step outside we don't think they need bodyguards. hn they're stupid an foldable and bad things happen. >> rethink any time anything bad happens now weave to worry about that exact same thing i kid got hurt in utah i better not let my kids that is why we don't let th walk to schl or rate at the bus stop do know what percenta of kids play outside unsupervised? john: 50? >> 6% play outside on their own because parents are afraid tnking something will terrible happened they will be kidnapped or fall down and they will be bullied. john: you became the point* person after you write an article about a loving your nine year-old to take the subway by himself and you

are correctly called america's worst mom. if you google america's worst on it is you. >> 77 google pages which was at last count. john: maybe you are. >>aybe but there is a lot of people to start to agree with me and realize for some reason we have been sold on the idea this generation can do anything on their own. my friends granddaughter is enrolled at what class? seven months old what do they do? >> she is enrolled in crawling class. i guess this is whatou get on your way out in these of our baby kneepads because you decorated the nursery in crash glass.

this is around because we're told this generation is so vulnerable they cannot do anything safely or successfully that is why they're not outside playing and this is just the tip of the iceberg. john: you started take our children to the parking and leave them there day. >> by a popular holiday. you take your children to the part that is closest to you because this stageome go to magnet or special ed or parochial and they don't necessarily know all the same children in the neighborhood. you bringhem to the loc park at the ages seven or eight or nine you leave them there. why? john: they learn to manage themselves. >> it is cled playing. john: they were t playing withhe parents watching a. >> they wernside or on something electronic and theyever had a chance remember we talked about 6 percent of kids outside

data have a chance to even come up with a game so if you have the kids there they don't knowhato do then they come up with something and learn how to invent games, and make t and decide who is in our outdoor compromise and wait their turn all the stuff that mother in nature intend for kids to get the lessons they need to be decent citizens sandy since students creating your own find as opposed to a coach or a teacher. >> your work is a giant step backward for child safety >> that is the block this year i think i am pro child safety but i don't believe they need a security detail every time they leave the home. when kids get a little street smarts i think they are safe one elderly woman wrote she d been inthe allergist

waiting room and was rding the newspaper with the magnifying glass and of the '03 year-old came over his she said the words get bigggr and the mother said get away from her you have to there and immediately not to trust strangers so that women just made her child into a cial crippled with things everybody is equally dangerous and every situation is bad in every stranger is a menace and i say the opposite that the more kids you get out and interact dimaria let them go and become han beings then they are safer. john: you broht this trophy? >> my son strophe but it as the of the teenage bowling league. john: eighth pace out of nine because i think the

camp really thought we cannot send a kid come without a trophy because they cannot take it and that is another vote of non confidence. john: did yo child rvive? [laughter] >> he will not suive seeing it on tv but he was okay until now becau he had understand he stinks a bowling talk about grit it is realizing you can be bad as something you can fall down and scrape your knee and it is not the end of the world. grit is the ability to say that stinks' let me go forwd. hn: you once taped the tv series. >> i cannot ride a bike my mom doesn't want me to fall and her myself. >> my mom thinks that will cut myfiers off if i use a knife. >> i will teach and how to use a knife.

>> i cut cheese. >> what are you dog? >> i cut a tomato. john: the clips that i saw putting some gri into their lives made them and their parents happier. >> i can do everything i couldn't do. >> it makes me happy. john: the paren were shocked? >> all you have to do is take the children awayrom the overprotective family for a few hours in a few days in a row to derided by by, and use a knife then they are "built to succeed". they have the grit built into them and let them do things on their own they are happy and thparents are the pride and joy. john: thank you leno skanayzy. do we need to protect college kids from this? oh the video shows him puing and screaming

scaming-- slurs at players >> do we need to protect them from thisideo because the students are white? ♪ t just to keep up our morale a man who does have grit. enough to come back after this. >> everything is gone.

not. >> the south has been torn apart and alabama i devastated. >> day mile wide tornado cuts a path of destruction. john: and destroyed much of tuscaloosa and within seconds this business express will change was turned into this. the owner bill his business over 25 years it would have been easy quit after it was destroyed j.p. rebuilt the company it said it would not cover all the cost and

worse, a city bureaucrats told him he would not be allowed to rebuild on his property there. but he did. here it is. john carney has gripped. >> as far a grit seven day per week never-ending challenge to achieve your goal. its is never give up when he mini possible to achieve the final goal. john: most jobs are not seve- per week. i look it you have an agreement with your employees i had employees tested by me and i thght it was be for me to stick by them. so i should exhaust every possibilit you get back in business as soon as possible john: the tornado destroyed is your property and you want to rebuild and the local government ss no because your place is the

eyesore? to make a site could not but i was not a desirable business they were loong for something more aesthetically appealingg pealin something. john: the wheel changed place. >> it is dirty and we are in the busit intersection of the town of the thousand. with my brother who is my partner we have beenery successful 25 years. when the tornado came through, the city was looking at ways to do take advaage''" end quote. of this situation and talking about rebuilding plans when it took me three eks to get a demolition permit to clean up mimas. john: and more delays they wanted you to do turn the building 90 degrees and add certain parking? they mean well? >> they meant well but i never said they did not have the best in mind but their recommendations were the code wasoing back to 1972

and they were outdated if officials wanted to compromise they could have. john: they have no sense the damage they do they just assume everybody can delay three wes? >> the most politicians have no concept of time or men needed to spend money in have nothing but time for a business person ke me the ock is so is ticking. john: i'm glad you got your business up congratulations john carwe put one example of true gri because now we will return to the stors would you think about what this basketball coach is doing? and he would kick them and throw balls he deserso be in a mental institution

john: ♪ ♪ john: were you offended? no? it is racist and sexist and promotes white supremacy. really. that is whyone college professor wrote their

attitude is not atypical the fire for individual rights d education. whdid they say that is racist? >> it is part of the grand tapestry. it is another example of how people take something that is an incentive you watch the whole biddy it is it in nerd adorable making geek jokes and it is based on a parity. john: they're trying to say we're not totally ners we like music. >> they are saying we are totally nerds but they are all white and male. >> a group of friends in the was a south aan students and some female students but it was a group of white friends to do the free video to promote the engineering department was a professor and head grad students said this represents white supremacy. john: uc more of this now?

>> the victory of the right not to be offended the false idea. john: and the assumption it offended you if you were right -- white? >> as a then the people who wrote the article it is hard to imagine anybody was offended b we have given privileged to the id that we are not allowed to contradict and campuses are making it worse. >> and thosere easily offended can dictate other's behavior. >> then it is insincere. if you have the trump card to shut down the arguments upheld who will not abuse that and they have been 30 years. john: use it to protect peoplemake this worse? >> federal laws federal discrimination laws and universities are so worried about being sued that when you have these overreactions on campus said general counsel house to say probably it is safer to

overreact. john: you could be sued for the hostile environment. >> in the studyor ameran associatn of colges only 30 percent of college seniors agree with the ste it is safe to hold unpopular opinions on campus. only 17 percent of professors agrees to matt that defeats the purpose of higher education. john: whicis debate. >> harvard has a pledge. >> we should be settled that you have to agree to hold civility and inclusiveness and kindness on the same level of intellectual attainment. it is dionest the idea that the most you the institution says now we are inclusive? what ever. and so we' just hosted at what they need to believe? why don't we shutdown the university if we have decided moral philosophy. john: the country was founded by people who were

in polite. >> very rude. >> one student journalist wrote to coaches on other campuses about the hockey coach and he wrote at the end. john: just tried to give information to write a paper. >> toe need t say anything just to be nice and he got a respon from cornell saying thiss suggesting that if there is anything nice that could be setting is fensive they suspended the student and kicked him off as if he was a serious threat. john: they notified the police. with your help he got back on campus and publicize these then the university gets embarrassed and they say never mind. >> the main weap is public scrutiny. john: syracuse? >> repeater offender making

the top of the worst colleges for free speech craig two years running. hn: of bck teachers editn hire more black colleges teachers. >> and one student was offended a white student said you say i have to st on m side of the tracks? he wrote this to his friends on facebook saying i am being unappreciated fo my volunteer ti and suspended him from the program. john: he was required to3 seek a and your management and diveity training in writing paper demonstrating gross regarding cultural diversity toet back on campus. he did n do those because you intervened, there was public outragee i am glad you're out there doing that. thank you greg lukianoff i think this basketball coach is a jerk but should he have the right?

john:hat is one clip of theutgers university basketball coach cursing and his players h threw balls, pushed others and in video hit the airwaves

governor christie called him an animal and others said what he didwas appalling in the cch was fired. but eric bolling said is. >> talk about wusfication of america and american men "this is it". john: wussification identify agree that coach is supposed to be a leader and role del and he was aerk and not even affected the team had a losing record and police are a big problem in schools now we're told bullying is getting rse. but the author o "bully nation" sue porter disagrees that police are no worse now and overprotective parents and legiators do more harm than gd. really? protecting theids from belize? >> here is what you have to understand kids are no different than they were when we were children but yet in our view ofhem has

changed radically in that is something i am interested in because. >> you are a school pshologist image now administrator so i know from experience kids are not meaner than they used to be in our notoing nastier things. john: they learn more lessons about kindness. >> i would say are nicer group than we were. john: b2. >> they are more polite but things shifted after columbine and we are now a nation that is not only fearful of children but raging. john: water redoing that is harmful? >> we no longer call kids to bet when they fail us test but wen they make a mistake we give them a label you are a bully and conversely you are a victim that is just as dangerous because you give them thmessage the identity comes from pain and

weakness. john: back to the basketball coach that evil thing he did the coach is too extreme things to get extreme response as i was an alete and althoh my coach never said words but what that guy diwas abed his power d that is the standard definition of bullying. i think he was a bad coach and probably needed a lot of discipline. john: but the reaction went too far? >> let me tell you as soon as wewe use the term billy we have license to get enred with whoever we give the term to. john: you argue that coaches are supposedto be tou and athletes perform bette? >> i would have performed there well if my coach said you are so great. john: so it is okay? >> not his but i think

you'll get people to perform at thei best just by telling them they are eat. you get them to perform by taking them to the edging get them to perform by mang them go inside to find something they have never found before. john: but he went toooo far. but now they defi it by unfriendly this? rolling your eyes? >> persistent and friendness of youork with middle school kids you find this is how they define bullying is ot the classic david kyd shaking down the lunch money it is i talto a school principal who got a call from my mom my child is believed because someone told her her earrings were too big. that is what is going on. john: manchin middle school. is in high school is mide school. >> middle school is so self-conscious and self absorbed they will see us liked everywhere in a big

part of to help them develop grit is deal with that and know that is part of life you will feel bad mes and yo have to find a way to get through that. how do you do that? >> anti-bullying laws make that effort? >> i think they do. transpose the word bully and i call it anti-child we are legislating against children's mistakes again stains that you and i experienced and perhaps did as kids nowestart to see kids as the aah and they haven't changed. john: a wisconsin acre woman who put on weight g an e-mail saying surely don't consider yourself a suitable example for young people or girls then she went on women and complained. >> october is national anti-bullying month and it is a problem growing every day in our schools and the

internet id has become a within our schools has become a battleground and this behaor is learned it is passed down from the people like the man who wrote me that the male. >> if you lot the clasc definition is has to do with power. ere was no power differential she received an e-mail s did not like. he could not fire her, the only thing he did was influence her feelings and yet she ft she could cal him a lly and also felt that when you do that y yourself never have to look your behavior so she went on tv to ta about it. what about his reaction? she doesn't care about that. then we ask what ever happened to grit charles edison and vincent van gogh and charles schulz what do they have in common? next.

and. >> are you ready conel? john: today's some people make fun of weste's but theyften tol thtrue story of the grit then made america possible. the pioneers left safe places to and travel enormous distances only to tough it out in wilderness. the term called and dealing and used for nothing and the ranches and fms, of breaking side and plowing and suffering through cold winters gr is what it took to create civilization and requires delaying gratification wanting something bigger than yourself and in the case of america's pioneers, a start date and abusing children and wives and husbands to build communities. as john wayne character put

it we're building an asian. we have got to suffer. no great trail was never placed without hardship. that is life and grit he stuff of life and greenness is achieved only after repeated failure. van gogh was unab to sell patingshe only so one during his lifetime and he painted 900. cartoonist charles schulz had every cartoon he submitted rejected and the nets became one of the st successful cartoons of all time and thomas edison teachers told his mom he was too stupid to learn and was fired from his firstwo jobs for nonproductive but he had the grit to try antry againnd got 1,000 u.s. patents including the electric railway and of course, the labeled that followed 1,000 unsuccesessful attempts and a a reporter asked him how does it feel to fail 1,000 mes?

he said i didn't. the late fall was an invention wi 1,000 steps. that is grit it is great we li in a wealthy country with the welfare state so big we worry about for people getting fat but what makes most people happy is not comrt but earned succs the struggle for the opposite of berndt success is learned helpssness and experiment whe good things occurred that were not burned like nichols coming onslaught machines it did not increase people's well-being but it produced helplessness and people gave and became passive. that passivity is a threat to our future. everybody goes through pain and loss a struggle to overcome the about to happiness and prosperity and that is our show. thank you for watching.

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