i like it just fine. i like the index sdy dividend part of the standards and poors. stores are wreck? what did he mean by that. that will do it? >> if you are outraged by the evidence comin out that of the irs was being used as an idea logical enforcer, you may be outraged that some of those responsible for paid bonuses at work with your tax dollars. i am dave asman. what a week. we'll go with moshing an and mike and sabringa and rick. >> rick, this is usually steve forbes job but do you believe that the individuals who skewed up deserve bon us.

>> i feel theeed to talk flat tax. i think the bonus idea is a d idea pticularly as it a ployed to the irs. remember when we have had a situation with private insurance companies and they are bonusi adjustors and paying them to deny claims. i have a similar prlem with irs agents paid to collect more money. i tell you the great surprise. >> or just screw up. >> or screw up. you know who favors bonusing the federal -- the heritage foundation. >> you are an agent of the heritage foundation? >> i have been accused of many. from jes, the senior economist. we should shift t distribution from base pay to bonus. mike, lois learner who was in

charge of the tax exemption got a $42,000 bonus or several bonuses adding up to 42,000. show gave on the a bunch of information that was not true. and her predecessor got bonuses and all told $92 million in bonuses went outo i offials, isn't that wrong? >> you are trying to get us audited on the show today. >> they got your number and mine. i agree with the heritage foundation, in general government employee play should shift to bonus with strict performance metric and they would perform better. as far as the irs, they don't deserve it. >> i am looking around for and kind of metrics in which someone

behaved well and i don't see it. >> we are not in a market and there is not a competiter for those in government and so what are they judged on? on the number of conservative groups that they muzzle? >> i like the make government employees less effective and i don't want tem to be more active. i don't understand how he base $92 million worth of bonuses, that is concerning to me. >> it is not only the cash and bonuses, but getting bumped up. they give awards to the people involved in this. sarah gram hall, and they will talk about this in the next half-hour. she is managing the irs role for obama care. >> i ink we are mixing this up. a now bad eggs that got bonuses. i don't think everyone should

have it axed altogether. there is a plan and a legislation to cap the bonuses. this is slightly dated here. and i think y need to have bonuses in many cases to the governmen are tied to the performance. and you need to have that to be competitive with the private sector. >> but look at the people who got bonuses. first of all mismanagement and whatever it was, they all got bonuses and it was a matter of course here. >> i have to say in the case of miss learner, i have a funny feeling she might be out of work. >> or sarah hall ingram. >> and it is truly extraordinary week sabringa and i have aeed which never understand.

al around bonusing in the federal government doesn't make sense. if they do a bad job get rid of them. >> but sabringa, what bothers me about the whole thing, everythin was a matter of course. this is just the way they did business and of course, the president bumped up sarah hall graham and appointing her as part of the irs obama care role. the social contract between the people who pay taxes and the government has been broken by this scandal. is the president capable of fixing it? >> i think that is the issue here, we have a serious trust issue and the president is trying to distance himself and because it is happening in the walls of the whitete house, tha he is immune from the blame. but the reality is, heets the tone for the sxhrgz the massive

big government and regulatory state, it is his responsibility. he has a lot of healing to do with the american people who say i will not give bonuses to these people. i don't think a burrcrat in cicinnati woke up and said i will go after the tea party group. >> that is an interesting point and stephen miller who was under the grill spoke to this point we have a sound bite where whether it was mismanagement or partisanship. >> i don't believe that partis anship motivated the people engaged in theractices described in the attorney general report. >> this is a definition of partisanship. when you single people out on the basis of their ideology. >> the problem is with big and growing government and

particularly when the president obama of the united states is a fan of big government. this is what you get. you havecandal with benghazi and the less accountability. ngo a head morgan. >> it is not a partisan issue but an issue of political donations and whether the names get revealed. >> i don't care whohe president is under these circumstances, the irs is clearly dysfunctional and lois lernor was promoted under president bush. gang, we have to wrap it at that. and if the irs played politics with these groups, what about enforcing the president's health care law? that's what miclle batch batch

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energy and better environment. >> rick, you can have national goals. remember jfk saying i will put a man on the moon in ten years. we did it. the united states did it and the government was entirely involved in that. but what is the private sector goal? >> i have no objection to taking advantage of the opportunity. we are a world force that is a wonderful thing. ere i get nervous about the all in. there are down sides to this kind of energy. i recognize it will produce jobs and benefit our jobs. but don't lose sight for the long-term. here's what i propose, make it easier for the development of the oil shelves. but in return ask the energy producers to get involved in

developing better s sources of energy. >> rick, i realize, monte hall, let's make a deal. >> somebody out there. >> mike, this is how important this report is. here's what they said. you can't overemphasize this. the supply shock created by a surge in north american oil production will be transformative to the market in the next five years as was the rise of chinese demand in the last 15 years. we have the potential of overtaking opec. >> i agree withth sabringa. get the government out of the ay and unleash the private sector. i don't like the goal of overtaking opec, but what if oil goes back to $17 a barrel. just unleash the private sector,

david, they will do a far bettr job than the government will. we'll see all of the lousy investments and tax on solyndra. >> i do like focusing on opec. since the 1970s, we have been in the beck and call of opec. it is nice to put them as a minor inconvenience than a major inconvenience if our lives. >> it is a gutsy goal. mike hit the nail on the head. unleash the private sector. we are talking about recession years, when you look at that. traditional energy created 500,000 jobs and if government got out of the way, you wld see those numbers go crazy. this is the way of the future.

>> rick, you hear morgan talng. and she's disagreeing with you. >> i don't disagree she is smartest one in the group. but be more secific about getting the government out of the way. are you saying remove the regulations on the oi >> hold on, let morgan explain what you mean by. that >> every time president obama talks about the bad evil oil companies and cutting the tax subsidies, that pushes back against the private companies saying that. >> rick, can can you go that far. we are trying to sell you. >> i see where you are going. you can't totally get government out beuse of the federal land involved that people want to drill. aga i am goingto take you to the grand bargain, you want to open up more federal land, okay. oil companies do something about

producing. >> butold , sabringa there is a fact most significant old and gas discoveries are not on federal lands but state and private lands. i am 0 to let the facts co in an argument here and that's why the federal government is holding up the process through the epa. if they got theepa out of the way for the nonsense regulation, we could beat opec. >> and the fraccing, there is so much alarmism a round this and we are talking about injecting water and food based chemicals. we saw the governor of california drink it. and there is a methodology that is used over decades. we don't want american people to think that the water is

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>> morgan, what do you think will this exclusively good for the company in >> it is a bad marketing. the company is bing off their nose to spite their face. one of the underserved market system plus side females and we are seeing their competiters and lucky brands and kardashians and the exclusive have running out larger sizes to accommodate plus- side females. nmike, there is some successful companies that base success on exclusively. lock atative no. >> or armani. the stock is up since the ceo made the comments. there is something to be said for that. >> rick? >> what is not cool is mr. jeffries. my daughter is in great shape and very attractives and fits

the customer of ambercrombie, she was so insulted by the comments. why? the eths on of the customer. they don't think it is cool to pick on larger sizes. >> that is a fair point. but this is a company that is pushing the boundaries with the clothing and remember the catalogs that are border line pornographic. >> they are edgy. and ther is no question. >> they are look for example that edge to cope them up in sales. >> morgan, timing is everhing. and in the '90s over size was in. and everybodywanted extra large and are they squeezing them in a fashion corner that they may want to get out of? >> i think they are. it goes back to the point i

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