willis report". thank you for joining us. have a great holiday weekend. ♪ ♪ lou: hello, everybody, and than you for being with us. these people are swearing to tell the truth in front of the house oversight committee, although not many americans are expected to believe them, and this wom, lerner, the woman at the center of the ira scandal did the unthinkable for a supposedly public servants. >> i have been advised by my counsel to assert my constitutional right not to testify or answer qutions related to the sbject matter of this hearing lou: lerner took the fifth and fuse to answer questions after pleading her case for a series of denials and deflections abou the lawfulness of her actions.

do you believe her when she say she is innocent? >> i have not done anything wrong. i have not broken any laws. i have not violated an irs rules or regulations, and they have not provided false information to this or any othe congressional committee. some people will listen that i have done something wro. i have not. lou: congressmen goudy made it clear that he does not believe her until she is subject hersel to cross-examination by the committee. and theongressman introdud and electric moment into those proceedings when he said that b telling her side of the stories she had ven a perfect the man writes. here he is. >> mr. cummings is shot to $5 run thisy the court room. he just testified and waved her fifth amendment rit to privilege. you will get to tell your side of the story in the not be subjected to cross-examinati.

lou: the congressman will join us in moments of talk about the latest in the obama irs scandal. also, among our guests, the man who led opposition to the gang of eight immigration bill, senator jeff sessions, and we will be talking about the polical impact of all of the white house scandals, former senator scott brown. but joining us now, member of the house oversight committee, former federal prosecutor. you heard his view of the fact that lerner forfeited her right under the fifth amendment when she played her innonce before the committee. and that is now a subject to be determined. it is great to have you back with this. >> thank you. lou: it is your firm view that she developed which she said suez and the sense, the assertions that she did not

break the law violated any regulations. what do you think the automobile ? >> well, if they apply u.s. versus brown which is the supreme court case on ving your fifth amendment privilege against incrimination, you cannot have it both ways. you cannot he to sale of the things that are exculpatory about you without having to withstand cross-examination. i think thechairman is going over all of his legal remedies tonight. one of which includes -- becaus he did not adjourn, he reid says , bring her back tomorrow. if she votes tomorrow, again, a you pointed out, her opening statement, she made a soliloquy about how innocents she was and specifically says she would never let to congress. well, you don't get to just say that without having to answer a few questions about it. if she evokes tomorrow then the chairman and house will have to decide whether or not to hold

her in contempt. immunity is something that we were taught to play in court, but i don't think that will be contemplated, nor should it be. lou: the president of citizens united served on thetand of the house ersight committee. he said that the straightforwar approach here is the decision must be made by a full load of the house as to whether or not she is a contempt. >> your reaction? lou: at least three different forms of contents, and i want t challenge his analysis. there are two other forms. you can neve make a witness talk. you can give them consequences for not talking, but youan neveke this person talk.

the other alternative, of course , is to do it --? mr. sherman. refer this for a criminal investigation. the u.s. attorney and others have access to tools that the congressman don't and that is sometimes a good way to it do that as well. lou: former irs commisoner douglas chairman, an acquaintance now, your colleagu says he visited the white house. visit the white house 118 times in 2010 and 2011. i mean, that is standing in and of itself. by itself us suppose it means nothing, but it suggests a cluster relationship but the white house and in the irs commissioner i ever heard, acting or otherwise. >> jimmy jordan did a fantastic job researching that. at the white house more than some of the employees who work at thehite house. of course very poor on things h

is not want to talk about and splendid on issues he does want to engage john. he cannot remember what they talk to and whether or not it was targeting the conservative groups or implementation of the affordable care act. he did not make a very compelling wiess in my judgment. lou: the committee alongith the rest of the house, the focu nowbe -- i know that there has been a temptation. there is an effort on the part of the administration, the democrats to conflate and numbe of issues, the ambiguguity th sort of thing. tax cut issues. even the chairman of the ways and means wants to talk about reforming the tax cut. with the american people need here is a vast set of answers to really troubling questions in the end to the contact that you committee is examining.

will we see that kind of focused ? >> i hope so. one of my colleagues on the other side of the i'll mention the special prosecutor. that was a democrat. i think -- i slevel -- i know what to say about partisanship, but equal opportunity, outrage that does not exist on most issues. you also heard me ask, can you name a single person who made the decision to target the chairman? here we are years after the decision and there are no names. lou: but -- >> if i were one of your viewer i would be asking every member of congress forhis started, where it is insidious report idea originate. and until we can swer that then we have not done our jobs as members of congress. lou: so far so good. i keep asking. my success rate is not much higher than that. i knothat the congressman will change of that. we thank you for being withus.

>> thank you and have a good night. lou: you, too. coming up, a credibility crisis for the obama lighthouse. the administration accused of abusing the trust of the american people. can americans get the truth out of this administration? former senator scott brown on exactly that question next. are you still sleeping? just wanted to check and make sure that we were on schedule. the first technology of its kind... mom and dad, i have great news. is now providing answers families need.

siems. answers. ♪ right. but the most important feature of all is... the capital one purchase eraser. i can redeem theouble miles i earned with my venture car to erasrecent tvel purchases. with a few clicks, this mission never happened. uh, what's this button do? [ electricity zaps ] ♪ you requested backup? yes. yes i di what's in your wallet?

♪ [ male announcer ] how do you engineer a true automotive brktough ♪ you give it bold styling, unsurpassed luxury and nearly 1,000 improvements. the redesigned 2013 glk. see your authorized mercedes-benz dealer for exceptional oers through mercedes-benz financial services.

♪ lou: former senatorscott brown says the obama administration has abused the trust the american people in connection with the irs scandal. joining me now to discuss the political impact of all of thes scandals that are emerging and plaguing this administration is former setor brrwn, now a fox

news contributor. great to have yo with us. and the more that we listen to what this administration says thmore conscious we year. >> when does tha line gets drawn and when did they cross that line and i will tell you what, the rate of free speech, the right of the press to do their jobs as a check and balance that is needed in government. other than that sometimes there that check and balance. the getting closer. i say it before and again. what happened with parasites have to go.

try to reestablish that just of the american people. the justice department and holder should have been fired a long time ago. very few people in congress tha have any faithin his authory. fast and furious, trying to hav ksm tried in new york city, we are hearing on and on and on. when does it stop? lou: the attorney-general turning to the justice department scandal testified before congress saying that he could not imagine such a thing as by on the press when precisely this attorney general is doing precisely what he was nine. >> if he did he should be fired in defeated not nobody should b fired. all the people work for him, an he works for the president. it has been a clear and convincing, almost a bullying

and chilling effect on entities individual citizens, news gathering agencies, individuals and it is wrong. it is not what our country is all about. as i said, he should hav been fired a long time ago. its unacceptable. lou: the justice department scandal the silence was deafening from the floor of the state's when they shou have been joined in this administration and bring powerful and critical judgments to bear against you. now we find that our colleagues had been surveiled. in the case of james rosen, someone in the justice department named him as a criminal co-conspirator waste i

--his person not to be in jail for lying, in my opinion, right now. what is your reaction? this is worsening by the week. plexuses america, correct? we do live in america. listen. i am dumbfounded as to how people a sell in the jobs. take a wide swath and go after the ap and have this blanket inquiry preparation, if it was more specific instance and ther was a real nationa security risk would say, okay, that is different, that is not the cas. to label a journalist as a co-conspirator is very serious. that needs to obviously be held accountable. i am shocked that every news agency whether it is conservative, and urged a more liberal is not going after the justice department of filing th opprobrium lawsuits to make sur that this and other things like

this never happen again. lou: this administration is quickly making it clear, are they not, that there is a year to assail the first amendment a they are the second. people thought there wou be limits and there appear to be none. your thoughts as we wrap up? >> very simple. we, as american citizens, have to look out for our rights d interest. now we have an executive branch and others who worked for the executive branch shirking their authority and taking it a step o far, need to stand up as americans and pushed back because that comes to the media, individual citizens, the file lawsuits, pushed back by gettin these people out of office and demanding redress and accountability. full, open, and become an transparent investigation into each and every one of these matters. u: thank you very much. >> tnk you. lou: the irs abused its public

trust. the president of citizens unite talks out about clear governmen overreach. bny mellon combines investment management & investment servicing, giving us unique insights which help us attract the industry's brightest minds who create powerful strategies for country's investments which are used to build new schools to build more bright minds. invested in the world. bny mellon. ...ameli.. neil and buzz: for teaching us that you can't create the future...

by clinging to the past. and with that: you're history. instead of looking behind... delta is looking beyond. 80 thousand of us investing billions... in everything from the best experiences below... to the finest comforts above. we're not simply saluting history... we're making it. at od,hatever business you're in, that's the business we're in with premium service like one of the best on-time delivery records and a low claims ratio, we do whatever it takes to make your business our business. od. helping the world keep promises.

lou: our next guest says president obama essence a issued maring orders to democrats in his administrion by attacking the supreme court decision non-citizens united in his 2010 state of the union address. joining us tonig is the president of citizens united. it is great to have you with us. when you say, in essence, what do you mean? >> well, first of all, thank yo for having me. this is ssch an outraged of wha is going on in washington. the american people are set abouit. first of all, the president of the united states sets the tone for the federal government. and when the uted states presidents in hisstate of the

union address denounces the united states supreme court and our decision which really was a fir amendment case first, that is what it did. it allowed more people to participate in the process. what they did was, they wanted the irs and the sec to come dow on 501c4. that the president really set the stage and then within weeks a list of left wing people sen aetter to the irs demanding that they do just that, really look closely at all the different conservave groups. the irs is out there doing things that the powers that be don't want them to be. that is what the american peopl have to focus on. it is not about incompetence. lou: it is interesting. the democrats in particular.

the president's administration, suddenly talking about the ambiguity of the law. 501(c)4, the necessity to deal with a tax cut. this is subterfuge. classic pr defense. >> us with their want to do. we will talk but the need to abolish 501c force. values a little romney manual. bus lot of leather cresses cutaways. let's focus on abolishi the irs and replacing it with a fai tax or a flat tax. and the american people will be better off without 97,000 irs agents. they could be used on the border .

lou: i think we can all agree the internal revenue service ha to have very, very strg audit. we have to have one that goes all the way to this -- the leaders of this a minisation, who ordered what and wind. >> wave to write to the fifth amendment a defense. as a former chief investigator of that committee, i'd help people in contempt. the senate and house. what you have to do is get to the full house and hold them in contempt of congress whic is the only way you will get testimony out her. lou: you will talk about that very issue, theman who raised the issue today. it is great to see you. back quickly and looking great. delighted to have you back.

>> that you very much. lou: you will talk with the sand . coming up peroration reform headed to the full senate floor. senator jeff sessions does not think so next. [ man ] on december 17, 1903, the wright brothers became the first in flight. [ goodall ] i think the most amazing thing is how like us these impanzees are. [ laughing ] [ woman ] can you hear me? and you hearour voice? oh, it's exciting! [ man ] touchdown confirmed. we're safe on mars. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ hi. [ baby fussing ] ♪ [ baby fussing ] welwhere new york state is inveing one billion dollars to attract and grow business. where companies like geico are investing inechnology & finance. welcome to thetate where cutting taxes for business...

is our business. welcome the new buffalo. welcome to the new buffalo. welcome to the new buffalo. new york state is throwing out the old rule book give your business a new edge, the edge you can only get in new york state. to grow our start your business, visit thenewny.com (announcer) at scottrade, our clto make eir money do more.more (ann) to help me plan my next move (ani take scottrade's free,ur clto in-branch seminars...e.more plus, their live webinars. i use daily market commentary to improve my strategy. and my local scottrade office guides my learning every step of the way. because they know i don't trade like everybody. i trade like me. i'm with scottrade. (announcer) scottrade... ranked "highest in customer loyalty for brokerage and investment companies."

it's delicious. so now we've turned her toffee into a business. my goal was to take an idea and maket happen. i'm janet long and i formed my toffee company through legalzoom. never really thought i would make money doing what i love. [ robert ] we created legalzoom to help people start their business and launch their dreams. go to legalzoom.com today and make your busiss dream a reality. at legalzoom.com we put the law on your side. and make y[growl]iss dream a reality. we used live with a bear. we'd always have to go everywhere with it. get in the front. we drive. it was so embarrasing that we just wanted to say, well, go away. shoo bear.

but we can't really tell bears what to do. then one day, it was just gone. mom! [announcer] you are how you sleep. tempur-pedic. ♪ lou: they gang of eight emigration bill was voted out o @%mmittee last night in the judiciary committee voting to approve the asure. >> i will. i will prepare. lou: yes, we can. breakings three republican senators joined the democrats o

the committee. bad for workers, taxpayers, an american safet numerous others including armed services. great to have you with this. you have fought a long and hard battle against this legislation in the dow moves to the floor. in your opinion it will succeed or fail, which is it? >> we hav to depend on the american pple to pay attention to the facts. what we need to know is that this woul legalize over the next ten years 30 million people , about three times will we wld normally legalize. it welll hammer working americas . far, far too many low-skill workers that will take jobs and

wages that people unemployed an underemoyed right now. it will add trillions to the long-term financial cost of the feet -- united states treasury from welfare and other benefit the law's first -- law enforcement officers it will no work. it will make things work. it will threaten the national security. when need to make this legal system better. that bill just does not do it. lou: suggesting that tre is something darwinian -- darwinn in all of this. they don't have the energy or care to defend its borders, to

claim its sovereignty for its citizens and the result is actually, if you will, a foregone conclusn. the destiny of the tion is in the hands of a new generation. howdy reacts to that? >> i think we need to ask some questions along that line. who is the congress representing ? i just saw a bullet that said 800 people spent th night for five days and nights in queens waiting for job. i saw something in philadelphia they expected a thousand ople that had a conviction on tir record for jobs and 3,000 peopl showed up. people are looking for work in america. that is who we owe our loyalty to first. we need to be helping your people getwork, get off welfare , enough food stamps, get out there and have that independence, take care of the

family and have the time and health care. that is not happening, and we just cannot solve this many new workers. the will to stand up and articulate that. lou: it is strange, senator, that night, we talked many times, that mccain kennedy or kennedy mccain legislation of that era. here we are talking seven, six years later. the answer still isn't there. we have the heritage report. there is a great divide among conservative we don't know anymore about who the people are whh are in this country illegally. we don't know anymore about the demogrhy.

neither ide, not those that seek to secur the border into managed care emigration as well as those who seek to open the borders, amnesty, neither side has the intellectual rigor of knowing what we're talking about . we don't know what it will cost a new will be in the country when it isaid and done. we don't know what the effect will be on o borers some of the effect yesterday because we know for a fact half of the people coming across the border are not apprehended. we have -- it is just extraordinary, an issue that ha persisted without the benefit, frankly, of tremends research and knledge on the part of the senators to represent us, the congressman and the presidents. >> it s remarkable. asked last week and yesterday.

the prime pressu of the bill, how many people would be legalized. he won't say. they will not even say how many people are going to be covered. how cane pass a major reform of we don't understand that? and n study has beedone and the economic it's. just how many workers we really need for. the truth is, civil-rights commission members have said that we have a surplus of low-skilled labor. that is to we need tobe getting into work and off of dependency. so i am reallyrelieved that there is way too little thought in sh as serious piece of legislation. lou: i want to say, i know you have been the focus of numerous attacks. just want to share some of the language. quickly. we are outof time. i want the audience to know. you presented your view. you have been in oppositi to this legislation. you have done so honorably and

forthrightly. the washington post attacking you, i have to say, he begins b saying, not since george llace has a and alabama in been a taken as passionate the stand for a lost cause as the one jef sessions is taking now. andhen i get this terrible sensation that he was trying to make a different point and one that probly is not to flattering to have. he said that he shouted in his trademark twang the wiry sevener , e petulant to alabama and, the only audible note came from

>> we will try to tell the trut about it and the american peopl will convey to their representatives what they think. >> absolutely. thank you. center jeff sessions. lou: and angry press turns on the attorney general holder for violations of first amendment rights. former justice department attorney tells us whetr or not the torney general can withstand yet another controversy. e went out and asked people a simple question: how old is the oldest person you've known? we gave people a sticker and had them show us. we learnea lot of us have known someone who's lived well into their 90s. and that's a great thing. but even though we're living longer, one thing that hasn't changed much is t official retirement age.

♪ the question is how do you make sure you have the money you need to enjoy all of these years. ♪ to enjoy all of these years. if you've got it, you know how hard it can be to breathe and man, you know how that feels. copd includes emphysema anchnic bronchitis. spiriva is a once-daily inhaled copd maintenance treatment that helps open my obstructed airways for a full 24 hours. you know, spiriva helps me breathe easier. spiriva handihaleriotropium bromide inhalation powder does not replace fast-acting . tell your doctor if you have kidney problems, glaucoma, trouble urinating, or an enlaed prostate. these may worsen with spiriva. discuss all medicines you take, even eye drops. stop taking spiriva and seek immediate medical help if your breathing suddenly worsens, your throat or tongue swells, you u get hives, visiochanges or eye pain, or problems passing urine. other sideffects include dry mouth and nstipation.

nothing can reverse copd. spiriva helps me breathe better. does breathing with copd weigh you down? don't wait to ask your doctor about spiriva. [ agent smith ] i've found software that intrigues me. it appears it's an agent of good. ♪ [ agent smith ] ge software connects patients to nurses to the right machines while dramatically reducing waiting time. [ telephone ringing ] now a waiting room is just a room. [ static warbles ]

to fly home for the big family reunion. y musbe garth's father? hlo. mother. mother! traveling is easy with the venture card because you can fly airline anytime. two words. double miles! this guy can act. wanna play dodge rock? oh, you guys! and with double miles you can actuay use, you never miss the fun. beard growing conte and go! ♪ win what's in your wallet? u: the president today reaffirm his support and nt tody confidence in attorney-general eric holder spite coerns g over the justice department's seizure of the associated press

reporters and editors phone uest records.n our nextuest served in the obama justice department and has suoenaed records from a news r organization and those share part of that with us tonight.iec joining us is christian adams, s former u.s. department of ght, j justice attorney, author of the book and justice. good to have you with us.oo >> thank you. lou: let's turn to first what has happened here.l the internal revenue service tht site is about to become an even to b bigger scandal because of what e the administration apparently tried to do which was to ignore the fact that the woman who led that tax-exempt divisi was, in fact, left in place at, of all departments, the affordability -- the affordable carr unit tha will be maning 16,500 irs agents added his support the indidual mandate and obamacare itself. i it cod not get much worse for r

that one small unit, could it? >> probay not. this is an administration that u knows how to use power and lovet it.bl ide they put tir most reliable, ideological, seasoned caer bureaucrats into the most ar important ples, and that is was happening in health care act . lou: this may, in fact, be the s death nail for affordable care t because there is no trust in ovm this government right now, not i in any court, this homeland o security, the stat department, %-loud., treasury for cryi out this is outrageous. >> what hapned with the irs is n frightening. to it is h not supposed to happen america to have theve powerful ring of a government like the address attacking people becaus of their beliefsse, because they believe in liberty this government was attacking them, g singling them out, asking for m, at books they read. t

this is the most outrageous sor of stuff that is never supposed to happen as a country.id lou: president oma -- as i watcd and listen to them, literally stunned as he talked abt going to senator schumer ero to restart the legislation, then shield law, the effect of whichh would be is askingshe were to injuries legislation that, if passed and signed by him caledo protect journalists from his en. justice department's. this is outrageous and so zarr bizarre. >> well, there is no there i accountability. this is a situation where the justice department issued these insanely over broad subpoenas. insanely over brd investigations of a news organization. then they could have done

yet,ing much more limited than what they did. what they did isin keeping th r their loss of power.lo lou: as i said you, while serving in the obama justice departmenn had to subpoena a 3b news organizztio. compe the experience for various reasons you cannot divulgthe name of a large his organization. what was your experience, how tw limited was it?s one will the differences?hatus >> this was one of the most . an careful things the justice o g department can do, and then is to use the power to go after a news organization. they'rvery clear on the you have regulations and guidelines.ir you have to try to work it out.t you have to try to negotiate resolution and use the least s,t intrusive means, and most ofallr , you have to have the attorney general personally sig off on your request, which she did for me. this justice departmentcraps all of this.y they don't have the ey

attorney-general sign-off. l they don't use the least use t restrictive ans. use the most restrictive means and cast a gigantic neton, it i. u: and in terms of frighting, you were also audited. >> yea %-least your political views, ad collusion with this highly policized administration. is this administration political orgization this has now taken control of a federal government that -- there a day its seemsha this fedal government circumstance is attacking values, traditions and laws of this country and our citizens, as if they are warring on cens across the board, in this

government. >> these are the people that founders feared, i saw it happening up close when i worked inustice department, the titude toward government is a perk of power, you impose your rld view on the country. an now america starting to see it. and that is hardly vinditing it is very disappointing but, these scandals, ap, a irs this is what these peoplere about, this isot mismanage am this is a muscular ideology that w dennis: we appreciate you being with us. please come back soon. coming up next, the oba irs admits wwongdoinn. but they will not say who was responsible for targeting conservative groups. the "a-team" unveils obama credibility thank you orville and wilbur... ...amelia... neil and buzz:

for teaching us that y can't create the future... by clinging to the past. and with that: you're history. instead of looking behind... delta is looking beyond. 80 thousand of us investinbillions... in everything from the best experiences below... to the finest comforts above. we're not simply saluting history... we're making it. the ocean gets warmer. the peruvian anchovy harve suffers. it raises the price of fishmeal, cattle feed and beef. bny mellon turns insights like these intoowerful investment strategies. for a university endowment. it funds a marine biologist... who sties the peruvian anchovy. invested in the world. bny mellon.

the one a growing number of labor unions turning on amacare. among them is the united workers international. they are worried now about the impact of obamacare. also the united workers is another group that is calling for the repeal of obamacare. the 1.4 million member union that is calling for changes in obamare. joining us now is the "a-team." analyst lis wiehl and hank sheinkopf andenior itor john fund. lis wiehl, let me start with you.

lois lerner will be before the house oversight committee. >> absolutely. you don't take the fifth amendment unless you think you've done something wrong. they won't advise you to that unless you have a prblem. >> the plans were thwarted and delayed. the donors were scared off. lou: here's what it meant for the election. >> there were voter suppression charges in the last election. they suppress the vote. they suppress the tea party, they suppressed get out the vote

efforts, all kinds of groups that would have involved this. that may have played a role for the outcome of that very close election. can we also attach tothat he fact that the story did not come out, and it's pretty clear that the inspecr general's report was ow, if i can be very gentle about it. >> this is interference in

american politics that is all well and good. to the irs is explaining tax exemption. >> a coalition passholder test. clearly it was harassment after seven years. if this went on for that long, it should have been investing somebodies nose on it. i am speaking metaphorically. because this is just ridiculous, the grown men and women who are committing themselves to be tread this way by y agency of the federal government. that is what i don't quite comprehend. but there is a lot i don't comprehend.

>> there is enough stuff here. >> i'm just going to go to a commercial break. [laughter] >> we're also going to find out whats going on in benghazi and why. and we now have testimony from two different department officials before the armed services committee of the house and what they revealed today. it is indeed remarkable. we will have that with the 18 in we will have that with the 18 in just you hurt my feelings, todd. i did? when visa signature asked everybody what upgraded experiences really mattered... you suggested luxury car service instd of "strength training with patrick willis." come on todd! flap them chicken wings. [ grunts ] well, i travel a lot and umm... [ male announcer ] at visa signature, every upgradedxperience comes from listening to our cardholders. visa signature.

your idea of what a card should be. visa signature. all stations come over to mithis is for real this time. step seven point two one two. rify and lock. command is locked. five seconds. three, two, one. standingy for capture. the most innovative software on the plan... dragon is captured. is connecting today's leading companies to places beyond it. siemens. answers.

>>e e going to turn to benghazi and most americans surveyed the most recent fox poll. they said that benghazi is a cover- by this administration

ambaador stevens withdrew a force of 20 million before the attack. one month before the attack. on the 18th of august. >> they are in benghazi. they have changed the

relationship with the defense strategy,. lou: wireless christopher stevens in benghazi? to well, they are whistleblowers that are going to come forward. let's just say that it was a national security outpost. i think a lot ofthis was conducted outsidef the state department and defense department.

when the whe house onunday said that we can have in a relevant situation, but the won't give you a timeline with the president was up to. why was that directive ignored. >> [inaudible] lou: hank, what y have to say? >> let's face it, folks. why don't you call the white house? congress has tried for eight months. that isyour customary standard. you know very well that it is at the prerogative of this

president. >> how many others were there? lou: the fact is the pattern that each one of these offenses are aimed against our traditional form of government.

i thank you all for being here. liwiehl, hank sheinkopf, thank you all for being here. good night from new york. neil: it is time to tell our thoughts. welcome, i am neil cavuto. here's how bad the scandalous are getting. eric holder is investing himself. he is revealing how his justice department went about targeting ap and fox news reporters even though we now know it was eric holder himse okay targeting our collie, james rsen.