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radio show every weekday 3:00 to 6:00 eastern time. we'll have another great tv show for you next week. ♪ lou: hello, everybody, and than you for being with us. these people are swearing to tell the truth in front of the house oversight committee, although not many americans are expected to believe them, and this woman, lerner, the woman a the center of the ira scandal did e unthinkable for a supposedly public servants. >> i have been advised by my counsel to assert my constitutional right not to testify or answer questions reted to the subject matter of this hearing. lou: lerner took the fifth and refuse to answer questions afte pleading her case for a series of denials and deflections abou the lawfulness of her actions. do you believe her when she say
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she is innocent? >> i have not done anything wrong. i have not broken any laws. i have not violated any irs rules or regulatns,and they have not provided false information to this or any othe congressional committee. some people will listen that i have done something wrong. i have not. lou: congressmen goudy made it clear that he does not believe her until she is subject hersel to cross-examination by the committee. and the congressman introduced and electric moment into those proceedings when he said that b telling her side of the stories she had given a perfect the man writes. here he is. >> mr. cummings is shot to $5 run this by the court room. he just testified and waved her fifth amendment right to privilege. you will get to tell your side of the story in the not be subjected to cross-examination.
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lou: the congressman will join us in moments of talk about the latest in the obama irs scandal. also, among our guests, the man who led opposition to the gang of eight immigration bill, senator jeff sessions, and we will be talking about the political impact of all of the white house scandals, former senator scott brown. but joining us now, member of the house oversight committee, former federal prosecutor. you heard his view of the fact that lerner forfeited her right under the fifth amendment when she played her innocence before the committee. and that is now a subject to be determined. it is great to have you back with this. >> thank you. lou: it is your firm view that she developed which she said suez and the sense, the assertions that she did not
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break the law violated any regulations. what d you think the automobile ? >> well, if they apply u.s. versus brown which is the supreme court case on waving your fifth amendment privilege against incrimination, you cannot have it both ways. you cannot he to sale of the things that are exculpatory about you without having to withstand cross-examination. i think the chairman is going over all of his legal remedies tonight. one of which includes -- becaus he did not adjourn, he reid says , bring her back tomorrow. if she votes tomorrow, again, a you pointed out, her opening stement, she made a soliloquy about how innocents she was and specifically says she would never let to congress. well, you don't get to just say that without having to answer a few questions about it. if she evokes tomorrow then the chairman and house will have to decide whether or not to hold her in contempt.
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immunity is something that we were taught to play in court, but i don't think that will be contemplated, nor should it be. lou: the president of citizens united served on the stand of the house oversight committee. said that the straightfward approach here is the decision must be made by a full load of the house as to whether or not she is a contempt. >> your reaction? lou: at least three different forms of contents, and i want t challenge his analysis. ere are two other forms. you can never make a witness talk. you can give them consequences for not tking, but you can never make this person talk. the other alternative, of course
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, is to do it --? mr. sherman. refer this for a criminal investigation. the u.s. attorney and others have access to tools that the congressman don't and that is sometimes a good way to it do that as well. lou: former irs commissioner douglas chairman, an acquaintance now, your colleagu says he visited the white house. visit the white house 118 times in 2010 and 2011. i mean, that is standing in and of itself. by itself us suppose it means nothing, but it suggests a cluster relationship but the white house and in the irs commissioner i ever heard, acting or otherwise. >> jimmy jordan did a fantastic job researching that. at the white house more than some othe employees who work at the white house. of course very poor on tngs he is not want to talk about and
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splendid on issues he does want to engage john. he cannot remember what they talk to and whether or not it was targeting the conservative groups or implementation of the affordable care act. he did not make a very compelling witness in my judgment. lou: the committee alongith the rest of the house, the fos now be -- i know that there has been a temptation. there is an effort on the part of the administration, the democrats to conflate and numbe of issues, the ambiguity. that sort of thing. tax cut issues. even the chairman of the ways and means wants to talk about reforming the tax cut. with the american people need here is a vast set of answers t really troubling questions in the end to the contact that you committee is examining. will we see that kind of focused
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? >> i hope so. one of my colleagues on the other side of the i'll mention the special prosecutor. that wasa democrat. i think -- i saw level -- i kno what to say abou partisanship, but equal opportunity, outrage that does not exist on most issues. you also heard me ask, can you name a single person who made the decision to target the chairman? here we are years after the decision and there are no names. lou: but -- >> if i were one of your viewer i would be asking every member of congress for this started, where it is insidious report idea originated. and until we can answer that then we have not done our jobs as members of congress. lou: so far so good. i keep asking. my success rate is not much higher than that. i know that the congressmawill chge of that. we thank you for being with us.
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>> thank you and have a good night. lou: you, too. coming up, a credibility crisis for the obama lighthouse. the administration accused of abusing the trust of the american people. can americans get the truth out of this administration? former senator scott brown on exactly that question next. all stations come over to mission for a final go. this is for real this time. step seven point two one two. rify and lock. command is locked. five seconds. three, two, one. standing by for capture. the mostnnovative software on the planet... dragon is captured. is connecting today's leading companies to places beyond it.
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ne contributor. great to have you with us. and the more that we listen to what this administration says the mo conscious we year. >> when does that line gets drawn and when did they cross that line and i will tell you what, the rate of free speech, the right of the press to do their jobs as a check and balance that is need in government. other than that sometimes there is that check and balance. the getting closer. i say it before and again. what happened with parasites have to go.
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try to reestablish that just of the american people. the ustice department and holder should have been fired a long time ago. very few people in congress tha have an faith in his authority. fast and furious, trying to hav ksm tried in new york city, we are hearing on and on and on. when does it stop? lou: the attorney-general turning to the justice department scandal testified before congress saying that he could not imagine such a thing as by on the press when precisely this attorney general is doing precisely what he was nine. >> if he did he should be fired in defeated not nobody should b fired. all the people work for him, an he works for the president. it has been a clear and convincing, almost a bullying
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and chilling effect on entities individual citizens, news gathering agencies, individuals and it is wrong. it is not what our country is all about. as i said, he shld have been fired a long time ago it is unacceptable. lou: the justice department scandal the silence was deafening from the floor of the state's when they should have en joined in this administration and bring powerful and critical judgments to bear against you. now we find that our colleagues had been surveiled. in the case of james rosen, someone in the justice departnt named him as a criminal co-conspirator waste i
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-- this person not to be in jai for lying, in mypinion,ight now. what is your reaction? this is worsening by the week. plexuses america, correct? we do live in america. listen. i am dumbfounded as to how people a ll in their jobs. take a wide swath and go after the ap and have this blanket inquiry preparation, if it was more specific instance and ther was a real national security risk would say, okay, that is different, that is not the case. to label a journalist as a co-conspirator is very serious. that needs to obviously be held accountable. i am shocked that every news agency whether it is conservative, and urged a more libel is not going after the justice department of filing th opprobrium lawsuits to make sur that this and other things like
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this never happen again. lou: this administration is quickly making it clear, are they not, that there is a year to assail the first amendment a they are the second. people thought there would be limits and there appear to be none. your thoughts as we wrap up? >> very simple. we, as american citizens, have to look out for our rights and interest. now we have an executive branch and others who worked for the executive branch shirking their authority and taking it a step too far, need t stand up as americans and pushed back because that comes to the media individual citizens, the file lawsuits, pushed back by gettin these people out of office and demanding redress and accountability. full, open, and become an transparent investigation into each and every one of these matters. lou: thank you very much. >> thank you. lou: the irs abused its public
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lou: our next guest says president obama in essence a issued marching orders to democrats in his administration by attacking the supreme court decision non-citizens united in his 2010 state of the union address. joining us tonight is the president of citizens united. it is great to have you with us. when you say, in essence, what do you mean? >> well, first of all, thank yo for having me. this is ssch an outraged of wha is going on in washington. the american people are upset ab first of all, the president of the united states sets the tone for the federal gornment. and when the united states presidents in his state of the union address denounces the
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united states supreme court and our decision which really was a first amendment case first, tha is what it did. it allowed more people to participatin the process. whathey did was, they wanted the irs and the sec to come dow on 501c4. so that the president really se the stage and then within weeks a list of left wing people sent a letter to the irs demanding that they do just that, really look closely at all the different conservative groups. the irs is out there doing things that the powers that be don't want them to be. that is what the american peopl have to focus on. it is not about incompetence. lou: it is interesting. the democrats in particular. the president's administration,
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suddenly talking about the ambiguity of the law. 501(c)4, the necessity to deal with a tax cut. this is subterfuge. classic pr defense. >> us with their want to do. we will talk but the neeto abolish 501c force. values a little romney manual. bus lot of leather cresses cutays. let's focus on abolishing the irs and replacing it with a fai tax or a flat tax. and the american people will be better off without 97,000 irs agents. they could be used on the border .
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lou: i think we can all agree the internal revenue service ha to have a very, very strong audit. we have to have one that goes all the way to this -- the leaders of this a ministration, who ordered what and wind. >> wave to write to the fifth amendment a defense. as a former chief investigator of that committee, i'd help people in contempt. the senate and house. what you have to do is get to the full house and hold them in contempt of congress which is the only way you will get testimony out of her. lou: you will talk about that very issue,e, the man who raise the issue today. it is great to see you. back quickly and looking great. delighted to have you back.
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the committee. bad for workers, taxpayers, an american safety. numerous others including armed services. greaeat to have you with this. you have fought a long and hard battle against this legislation in the dow moves to the floor. in your opinion it will succeed or fail, which is it? >> we have to depend on the american people to pay atntion to the facts. what we need to know is that this would legalize over the next ten years 30 million people , about three times will we would normally legalize. it well hammer working americans . far, far too many low-skill workers that will take jobs and wages that people unemployed an
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underemployed right now. it will add trillions to the long-term financial cost of the feet -- united states treasury from welfare and other benefits. the law's first -- law enforcement officers it ll not work. it will make things work. it will threaten the national security. when need to make this legal system better. that bill just does not do it. lou: suggesting that there i something darwinian -- darwinia in all of this. they don't have the energy or care to defend its borders, to claim its sovereignty for its
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citizens and the result is actually, if you will, a foregone conclusion. the destiny of the nation is in the hands of a new generation. howdy reacts to that? >> i think we need to ask some questions along that line. who is the congress representing ? i just saw a bullet that said 800 people spent the night for five days and nights in queens waiting for job. i saw something in philadelphia they expected a thousand people that had a convictionon their record for jobs and 3,000 peopl showed up. people are looking for work in america. that is who we owe our loyalty to first. we need to be helping your people get work, get off welfare , enough food stamps, get out there and have that independence, take care of the
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family and have the time and health care. that is not happening, and we just cannot solve this many new workers. the will to stand up and articulate that. lou: it is strange, senator, that night, we talked many times, that mccain kennedy or kennedy mccain legislation of that era. here we are talking seven, six years later. the answer still isn't there. we have the heritage report. there is a great divide among conservatives. we don't know anymore about who the people a whh are in this country illegally. we don't know anymore about the demography.
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neither side, not those that seek to secure the border into managed care emigration as well as thoseho seek to open the borders, amnesty, neither side has the intellectual rigor of knowing what we're talking about . we don't know what it will cost a new wille in the country when it is said and done. we don't know what the effect will be on our borders some of the effect yesterday because we know for a fact half of the people coming across the border are not apprehended. we have -- it is just extraordinary, an issue that ha persisted without the benefit, frankly, of tremendous research and knowlee on thepart of the senators to represent us, the congressman anthe presidents. >> it s remarkable. asked last week and yesterday. the prime pressure of the bill,
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how many people would be legalized. he won't say. they will no even say how many people are going to be covered. how can we pass a major reform of we don't understand that? and no study has been done and the economic it's. just how many workers we really need for. the truth is, civil-rights commission members have said that we have a surplus of low-skilled labor. that is to we need to be gettin into work and off of dependency. so i am really relieved that there is way too little thought in such as serious piece of legislation. lou: i want to say, i know y have been the focus of numerous attacks. i just want to share some of th language. quickly. we are out of time. i want the audience to know. you presented your view. you have been in opposition to this legislation. you have done so honorably an
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forthrightly. the washington post attacking you, i have to say, he begins b saying, not since george wallac has a and abama in been a taken as passionate the stand for a lost cause as the one jef sessions is taking now. and then i get this terrible sensation that he was trying to make a different point and one that probably is not too flattering to have. he said that he shouted in his trademark twang the wiry sevener , the petulant to alabama and, the only audible note came from
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>> we will try to tell the trut about it and the american peopl will convey to their representatives what they think. >> absolutely. thank you. center jeff sessions. lou: and angry press turns on the attorney general holder for violations of first amendment rights. former justice department attorney tells us whether or no the attorney general can withstand yet another controversy. ♪
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records.n guest served in the obama justice department and has subpoenaed records from a news r organization and those share part of that with us tonight.iec joining us is christian adams, s former u.s.department of ght, j justice attorney, author of e book and justice. good to have you with us.oo >> thank you. lou: let's turnoirst what has happened here.l the internal revenue service tht site is about to become an even to b bigger scandal because of what e the administration apparently tried to do which was to ignore the fact that e woman who led that tax-exempt division was, i fact, left in place at, of all departments, the affordability -- the affordable carr unit tha will be managing 16,500 irs agents added his support the individual mandate and obamacar itself. i it could not get much worse forr that one small unit, could it?
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>> probably not. this is an administrationthat ou knows how to use power and lovet it.bl ide they put their most reliable, ideological, seasoned career bureaucrats into the most ar important places, and that is was happening in health care act . lou: this may, in fact, be the s death nail for affordable care t because there is no trust in ovm this government right now, not i in any court, this homeland o security, the state department, %-loud., treasury for crying ou this is outrageous. >> what happened with the irs in frightening. to it is h not supposed to happen ha america to have theve powerful ring of a goverent like the address attacking people becaus of their beliefsse, because they believe in liberty this government was attacking them, g singling them out, asking for m, what books they read. t
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this is the most outrageous sor of stuff that is never supposed to happen as a country.id lo president obama -- as i watchednd listened to them, literally stunned as he talked about going to senator schumer o to restart the legislation, then shield law, the effect of whichh would be is asking she were to injuries legislation that, if passed and signed by him caledo protect journalists from his en. justice department's. this is outrageous and so zarr bizarre. >> well, there is no there i accountability. this is a situation where the justice department issued these insanely over broad subpoenas. insanely over broad investigations of a news organization. then they could have done yet,ing much more limited than
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what they did. what they did is in keeping witr their loss of power.lo lou: as i said, you, while serving in the obama justice departmenn had to subpoena a 3b news organizztion. compare the experience for various asons you cannot divulge the name of a large his organization. what was your experience, how tw limited was it?s one will the differences?hatus >> this was one of the most . an careful things the justice o g department can do, and then is to use the power to go after a news organization. they're very clear on the you he regulations and guidelines.ir you have to try to work it out.t you have to try to negotiate a resolution and use the least s,t intrusi means, and most of all r , you have to have the attorney general personally sig off on your request, which she did for me. this justice department scraps all of this.y they don't have the ey
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attorney-general sign-off. l they don't use the least use t restrictive means. use the most restrictive means and cast a gigantic neton, it i. lou: and in terms of frighting, you were also audited. >> yea %-least your political views, ad collusion with this highly policized administration. is this administration political orgization this has now taken control of a federal government that -- there a day its seems tha this fedal government circumstance is attacking values, tradions and laws of this country and our citizens, as if they are warring on citens across the board, in this
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government. >> these are the people that founders fead, i saw it happening up close when i worked inustice department, the attitude toward government is a perk of power, you impose your rld view on the country. and now america starting to see it. and that is hardly vinditing it is very disappointing but, these scandals, ap, a irs this is what these peoplere about, this isot mismanage am this is a muscular ideology that w dennis: we appreciate you being with us. please come back soon. coming up next, the obama irs admits wwongdoinn. but they will not say who was responsible for targeting conservative groups. the "a-tm" unveils obama credibility thank you orville and wilbur... ...amelia... neil and buzz: for teaching us that you can't create the future...
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the one a growing number of labor unions turning on obamacare. among them is the united workers international. they are worried now abouthe impact of obamacare. also the united workers is another group that is calling for the repeal of obamacare. the 1.4 million member union that is calling for changes in obamacare. joing us now is the "a-team." analyst lis wiehl and hank sheinkopf and senior editor john fund. lis wiehl, let me start with you. lois lerner will be before the
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house oversight committee. >> absolutely. you don't take the fifth amendment unless you think you've done something wrong. they won't advise you to that unless you have a roblem. >> the plans were thwarted and delayed. the donors were scared off. lou: here's what it meant for the ection. >> there were voter suppression charges in the last election. they suppress the vote. they suppress the tea party, they suppressed get out the vote efforts, all kinds of groups
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that would have involved this. that may have played a role for the outcome of that very close election. can we also attach to that the fact that the story did not come out, and it's pretty clear that the inspector general's report was slow, if i can be very gentle about it. >> this is interference in
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american politics that is all well and good. to the irs is explaining tax exemption. >> a coalition passholder test. clearly it wasarassment after seven years. if this went on for that long, it should have been investing somebodies nose on it. i am speaking metaphorically. because this is just ridiculous, the grown men and women who are committing themselves to be treated this way by any agency of the federal government. that is what i don't quite comprehend. but there is a lot i don't comprehend. >> there is enough stuff here.
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when the white house on sunday said that we can have in a relevant situation, but they won't give you a imeline with the president was up to. why was that directive ignored. >> [inaudible] lou: hank, what you have to say? >> let's face it, folks. why don't you call the white house? congress has tried for eight months. that is your customary standard. you know very well that it is at the prerogative of this
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