first place. we've surcome a long way. ♪ [ le announcer ] one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. is are serious. they have not only change the rules of health care, but they have put opponents. >> if you like your doctor committee will be able to keep your doctor. you can keep your doctor. he will be able to keep your health care plan. period. neil: that was just a lie. welcome, everyone, i am neil cavuto. how about your health insurance company dropping y

care? get ready, it is coming. thousands if not millions of folks who buy their own health insurance. this seems to have been the administration's attempt all along. they are easing the way for only one kind of coverage. uncle sam's coverage. that is what happens when you cover 30 million more americans and include those with pre-existing conditions and keep kids on current policies longer. rates go higher. no one is happy about this.

health care is not telling because no one is buying. nevermind what kathleen sebelius is doing. it could be against the law. this thing is going against the public. unions are increasingly against this law because they are being taxed. democrats are running way because it risks their reelection and now nancy pelosi scrambled to put a tourniquet on these democratic turncoat. she issued 78 pages of talking points of the benefits of health care. i think it is too late. it is heading in fever pitch. for insurance companies, those

insurance reforms are costly. it offsets costs by requiring every american to have health insurance are in millions of new paying customers. so insurers question whether penalties are too forgiving. more than half other states have refused to implement this health care. so the republicans have blocked the extra funding. they say will all work once it begins in january. neil: to the democrats interests to just wait faith, rolling out the more onerous or expensive parts. >> it is.

but the thing is that you strike a delicate allensworth had to strike a delicate balance. you beginnto acknowledge that part of the law do not work, then they feared evil taxpayers elsewhere. as these exchanges are not running yet, they are walking a fine line, hoping that it will be ready to go genuinely. neil: rich edson in washington. thank you, sir. it really comes down to this health care law and the guy who said he is a doctor. mitchell brooks is joining me now. i'm going to give credit to hurricane katrina. welcome to both of you. >> affordable healthcare act, there's nothing for health care. what it is as the health care cost for the government wants to control cost him the best thing for them to do is to get out of

it because we all know that this controls cost. what we are seeing play out now is the initial fear. but the obama administration's ending was not in control costs. what they want is a one payer system. this disaster will lead to the one pair system. neil: before the show started, we were chatting. the president might not have broken any promises yet. he had a very legalistic way of explaining if you like your doctor and coverage, you can keep your plan. you can keep your doctor. what he did not think he would be paying through the nose for it. >> he did saa he would be able to keep it if you so choose. >> it is going through this system of health care. it is going to a government system for 70%, 65% of people who can't afford specialized insurance policy or an insurance policy at all. and then the second one is those who will either not accept any insurance or those who by

government decree must accept medicare but will assign medicare slots to their schedule like american airlines assigns frequent flyer miles. neil: i know how that works out. if you pay up front, utility insurance or whatever. because we can't anyone. >> basically you have up to an hour and a half to see a doctor. you have to make a choice. do you want to have a drive-by visit for three to five miiutes and wait, or, a family, you don't pay attention and you can wait up to now an hour have. that is your choice. if you took on another three years and spend $1500 on it, but when you not pay for $500 for an

orthopedic surgeon? neil: now they are trying to stop the leaks. now we are going to put them in charge of a 49 different elements. at the very least, this has to slow the rollout, doesn't it? >> i doubt it. >> this administration is moving full speed ahead.3 they have won the reelection and they're going to move forward. >> they think that anything they delay would compromise the law itself. >> absolutely. but if you look at the average family income i have worked in what is happening in these facilities is that there is a new bureaucracy even if physicians -- you're looking at average physicians who are looking at up to 20% dependency of their salary on obamacare. neil: far from slowing the momentum for this thing, all of these questions, the 78 page

nancy pelosi, whatever it is, this is all there way of saying that we have to rush even faster. >> this includes the officer of hhs who is in charge of the exchanges and we ask them how they felt it go. he said that we hope that it is not a good world experience. what we have here is the government rushing to do something. selena barnes was saying that health care will not be heard world experience. now, i'm not making the. this is a quote. and then to your point about hospitals, there is something going on in this country that republicans the public needs to be aware of. hospitals and insurance

companies are buying physicians practices. now, when you have the means of production and you buy from the actual people who produce and control the cost, and you turn them into an employee, it trust me, they're only going to work 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. and they are not going to work to the greatest extent of their capacity. and this is the danger. we are taking 200,000 entities and we are boiling them down to about 200 entities would the government wishes to deal with. they are de facto monopolies in each city and area. you have very large hospital organizations here in new york city, you have columbia-presbyterian and new york hospital. they have bought their doctors and physicians. they come close to the monopoly wars but don't go over the line. this is a consolidation of health care. neil: if you are a young man again -- even though your a young man now -- which into the profession? >> no, i would not. >> be one answer a lot of

doctors say that. >> it is really disturbing is happening. all of america need to be aware of it. >> these are not scare tactics. i want people to understand. we are not satanists -- it is not our practice can be great. this is a country of 320 million people have a knife and gun club. in those countries that are relatively peaceful -- they are being rationed to no extent. neil: doctor, katrina, thank you both very much. anyway, when you are strongly requested to come to a meeting, do you rest the wrath of the host can you do not? also, off the record or off his rocker? eric holder it merely holding on. and a reality check for the white house. many on the left are leaving and many democrats are complaining. the folks you wouldn't expect to bolts are bolting we nt out and asked people a simple question:

how old is the oldest person you'venown? we gave people a sticker and had them show us. we learned a lot of us have known someone w's lived wl into their 90s. and that's a great thing. but even though we're living longer, one thing that hasn't cnged much is the official tirement age.

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neil: lots of news organizations talking about how leak investigations are done. some of the media refused to meet about it. kind of forfeiting your right to gripe. the huffington post, fox news, all of these other news organizations sent their regrets. and now they are going to regret it? we have the former justice official with us. mark, it does sound ike bo, we find it interesting that you are not going to be going. maybe i have read too much into it. maybe i have become so concerned that i worry. >> you know, it is more like the

boyfriend that has been caught cheating by the girlfriend and then says, if you don't go out with me tonight, we are done. it is ludicrous. [laughter] neil: that is very dead. >> well, there is no secret. the press has had this sort of thing going on going back to the '90s. the justice department used to talk about it in saintly tones. as if it hadn't fallen apart. but honestly, this is a guy who has now been caught the train the press. the mainstream media. you would get in even louder outcry if it wasn't fox news. what you're getting now is finally the abused spouse who has finally said, it is public, we can't do it anymore. now they want to go forward.

now you have the justice department and eric holder. neil: this whole thing happened because it was behind doors you are going to compound this in and gripe. this is what this whole thing was about. neil: what i find amazing. neil: they cannot be that emotionally constipated include clueless to think that this would be a good idea. >> they actually did because they have had this relationship with eric holder. they on the we believe that hey, we can turn them back. we can get them to come back.

i'm actually proud of the news organizations for acting like news organizations for one in covering this. neil: they suddenly want to talk about this and have ideas on us, we will do so publicly. a little late to the party, but fine. what worries me is those that are going and what they hope to get out of it. is this like you are in with eric holder, your output eric holder list here? >> exactly. this is the threat of withholding access from here on out. if you don't come, you will regret it. you will not get the access to the department that you're used to. you really want to know about this. the things that they could do to strengthen the system going forward. let me point going to have an

interesting history.3 we had adult. actually, i probably would've sent the prosecutor in the deputy attorney general and say, you need to talk to this guy because he embedded reporter is a criminal. he is making the reported the target oo the investigation. it is absurd, it is ludicrous. they have lost that there is no adult leadership. neil: there's nothing of the fact that he clearly misrepresented what was first the case and what proved to be the case. but the bottom line is that he was not consistent. >> whether or not he was willfully misleading with congress were somehow just forgot -- neil: come on, that is like saying that i might have been an airing to that. >> we have gotten dozens of

requests. one was a really serious, almost life-and-death type of case. and it was very narrowly circumscribedd we certainly would never have contemplated saying that the reporter had committed a crime for doing their job. and then go to congress and not fess up to it. look, this is bad for the justice department. it is bad for the mooale. it is bad for the morale of the staff. it is also bad for the country. reporters are the last line of defense. there is just no doubt about it. they are the watchdogs of government it is almost that they are doubling down in the.

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neil: this man comes with ample backing and many in the tea party revere the guy. with michelle up and stepping out, he is the new tea party to lead the charge.

>> we are moving our process forward. we just took another step and we have a good bunch of people behind us. we are ready to access what has been going on the last several years. >> it comes at a time when a lot of democrats, they are all saying the same thing. we are pretty vulnerable here. is that the wind at your back when i. >> absolutely. obamacare, just like so many other states like alaska, they have premium increases, most americans are very determined. neil: is that a big thing that they are concerned with?

they are all critically important. this is going to be an anchor as well. neil: to get to this, to challenge the income you actually have to get through the republican party. now, you have the lieutenant governor sniffing around for the same that. is it going to be a repeat of what he went through before? >> well, i have to tell you what a repeat will be and that is the victory of the primaries. this is much bigger than what was before. i would say that we are light years ahead of where we were before. so we are excited about this, the support we have seen so far,

we know that that is going to be there again in this next election in 2014. neil: what would your big issue be? >> it is obamacare. given the scandal at the irs, i think americans are now more open to that than ever before. there are critical monetary policies and states rights, and that is a fundamental design i am wondering if this is a perverse logic way, but crack down on tea partiers. >> it seems like many of the tea partiers push back. they certainly include what the

tea party has been saying. but you're absolutely you are absolutely right. that is going to be something that provide us additional support. neil: we shall see. thank you, joe. in the meantime when nancy pelosi needs publicly health care, maybe it is the administration needs help.

neil: well health care is flailing now dancing is doing retool, nancy pelosi a 78 page tool kit to help democrats build a better case for the law. we have vided these graphics to give you a sense of the drama. is this fix beyond repair? to president's "biz buzz." robert wolf always good having you, your guy is hurting here, his image is hurting his white house is hurting. scandal ago-go. >> i would sat say that just some hiccups here.

neil: hiccups? >> neil let's talk about the economy. >> do you think that is a good coin faith. >> quick good point, consumer confidence is up, manufacturing up, housing doing better, i am nervous in second half of the year, i think that sequester will impact the second half of the year. neil: epa is cutting back on the layoffs, the sequester did not have an impact. >> it has an impact. i spoke with oscar gullsby. >> you could be waiting -- we have yet to see the impact. >> i think we'll get a slow up. and quantitative easing, i believe it will slowdown fourth quarter. >> but back to the scandals. a lot of business-types say, how

could you be so distant, most think that president was not directly involved but maybe he provided an atmosphere of being so hands off some gremlins got their hands for dirty. >> i was on the night the ap came out, and the irs, i was again the targeting the irs. neil: you said they should have targeted conservative individuals. >> i don't like the idea of targeting period. i think that there are rules you stick by the rules. neil: how do you think it happened? >> i think that you know, the whole thing of political giving has got everyone out of control. on all sides. -- gotten out of control on all sides. i'm not sure. neil: here is my theory, i think sometimes we try to do what we thiik the boss would like.

let's say in with president made no secret of the fact, that really became bain of his existence. and impetus for the pileens that maybe they thought, really, impress the big guy if i target the conservative groups. the big guy doesn't have to know. he doesn't have to order it. it is that it is done supposedly in his name. >> here is my view. i am not sure i agree. i never gave to the super pac either side, to me, whole idea. neil: did you give any money at all. >> i did. neil: limit. >> but nothing to the super pacs. neil: because gdp in latin america. >> my view is one. neil: you just gave to -- >> obama for america. not po priorities usa. neil: no super pacs. >> i don't like idea that a lot of money goes to negative

campaigning. on either side. neil: other side is doing the same thing. >> on either side. neil: you got to counter it. >> for someone been in media with a bit of negative tie, it is best to accentuate the positive, but everyone comment pitching me, it stays anonymous, i don't believe anything stays anonymous. i would not ave liked to situation. either side. neil: why do you think -- you had some success in business world, it seems more distant and aloof is not a fair word. the president is a smart guy. you don't get to be president being a dumb guy. but so out of the loop, that i'm wondering. >> i would disagree. i am friends with him, i find him engaging. neil: how could you be oblivious to all of these departments doing all this stuff? >> they are independent agencies. neil: i understand that. >> idea he is looking at what is happening in since for the irs

-- in cincinnati for irs is ridiculous. neil: what justice department thing while we keep investigating that should not trouble. you have an administration where the chief does not know a lot of salty stuff going on. >> there are a thousand of these things that happen every day. neil: the fall of a government too big, too out of control. >> we're cutting back on government. neil: cutting back on government? like telling the guy who weighs 700-pounds he lost 5, you are done. >> spending is down significantly. neil: as a percentage of gdp . >> yes. neil: you are not using 680 billion deficits saying hurry aircraft homhurray, home . >> no. neil: you don't think that big government and how unwieldy it is contributed to this. >> i have been for streamline agencies, i i -- occ, and partf

the fdic could go together, i like dodd-frank at 85 pages, but i still think we need to be regulated. i would like to find a better balance. neil: do you worry about the backlash this is yielding we're talk will to miller in alaska it prompted a backlash against government. >> i am concerned i am a proponent of national infrastructure bank. so, you know, on the flip side, i think fema has done a good job. neil: you have got to be kidding? >> wait, whether they came in during that severe storm, it was very needed. where the money has gone to date, you can't -- >> i love you darrelly but you are out on dearly but you are out to lunch to that one. >> all right. neil: i kid you, robert, you are a good egg, and a good guy, but you should talk to the president

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advertisers insist this stuff like this because matter jonathan what do you think, delicious. >> it is a beautiful thing. matisse, michelangelo, they had great success features human body. that is what pinterest is doing, they are not allowing hard-core corner pornograph but images of human body is a win for them, and win for consumers, it will be about the site itself. neil: you planned this out, i am going shirt less and disrupt neil's dinner it succee success. ed that you, what do you make. here is a site embracing what it is. whether it commands advertising

or some were stared away, in it honest to what it is. >> cues simon and ga garfunkel song, keeping the customer satisfied. the most important thing for the viewers is if you get a job in america for a decent size company or company, do not put nude pictures of yourself on the internet, they live there forever, and your employer will not want to see them or give you a job, a tip. neil: really. >> we're talking about more like artistic you know pieces of art that feature human form. and i think that is marketplace at work, some sites, will character low this materiaa, others not. neil: cover yourself, gingerly with canollis is not going to cut it. >> what the heck is going on with japanese stocks, nikkei in

full correction mode. todd, is the skinny on stocks over there that emperor has no clothes over there? >> i think you had a huge move up in the last 9 months in japanese stock market. you had new prime minister there trying to move their economy forward after two decades of subpar growth. you see, you had a huge move up, you had buyers pause. 1 the buyers tossed you had sellers -- pause you can sellers come in, does that mean rallye ieis japan is over or is this pause that reflects that depends on what our fed does. and what happens in china. because china and the usa are very important markets for japanese goods. neil: jonathan you worried ? >> i am, i own a lot of the japanese stocks and enjoyed some of the move, but what i have seen is not only as todd said a

lot of great performance but a huge influx of money, a lot of public investors getting on board, this is a good idea to get off the train, if you want to bet on asset in japan bet against japanese funds, a fund jbbs it goes up when japanese interest rates go up. neil: i'm trying to pay attention to what you are saying now your outfit does not match what you are saying, i am fines it hard not to digress. >> and texas. motorola setting up shop there they like the heat, and big bugs, and tiny or virtually no taxes, a score for governor perry? >> and for texas. another 2000 jobs, created not in new jersey, not in california -- >> hey, hey, watcher new jersey. >> they are going to texas, if

you want to create wealth that is how you start. neil: todd. >> jonathan hit it on the head, in california state income tox tax over 10%, illinois high, and in texas zero. perfect place to have a business. >> all right, jonathan you stole the show, but ladies, if you are watching all of this edible. that's bad. that's really bad. >> go jonathan. we leap to jonathan. we got justice department stoopinsnooping on reporters, hh and human servicing brow beating companies for cash. now state department ignoring congressional subpoenas, jackpot or crack pot?

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neil: no documents to be had, after 9 months of the benghazi attacks, white house very much on defense still. not giving an inch. is this defiant, denial what is going to bring benghazi back to the front pages and fast? we ask former special council to president clinton lanny davis. this adds fuel to some fire, you were this morning on wor, you referred to you know eric holder going after james rosen as a coconspirate or a politically brain dead move, do you think that moves or crackdowns we've seen have echoed that?

>> if you don't mind my shameless plug of the crisis wh"crisistales." if you have bad fats you better -- facts you better put them out early. they are going to come out, why fight when you know what is going to happen. neil: inflational security is a valid defense? >> it might be if they want to litigate it in courts and lose in court of public opinion. there is no way to win in the court of public opinion if there is a classified document that could give up lives, methods and techniques of course. but if chairman issa looks at that document, he will say no, i down want that document, but they could show it to him, but

ultimate fact i believe that benghazi documents, talking point versions vindicate the whiteehouse, vindwai vindicate y susan rice. why not put those out yourself rather than waiting those months to let them dribble out. neil: benghazi issue notwithstanding, maybe a very aloof president. maybe for good reason, you are a lawyer, a darn good one, you know legal reasons why chief council might not tell the president that the irs is up to something, i understand that. but when the scandals back up like planes at la garde la gards raise -- at laguardia is raises the question, how much did he know.

>> you know mr. president this is coming, if the chief of staff knows, if your council knows you ought to know and have a heads up. for crisis management purposes on the state epartment issue, i for the life of me don't understand what they are thinking. you can't resist a congressional subpoena unless you are willing to go to court, last party that went to court about being transparent was bush and chaney administration, i think these documents help us, and if there is a legal the reason, sometimes political reasons have to trump legal reasons, when you are in an administration that should be about transparency, i pup sort president obama -- support president obama, the documents help him and need to be put out. neil: let me ask you something about crisis and responding.

you get in front of them, i am wondering now if it is almost too late, anything you say now, for example irs thing going after the reporter thing that will look in a variance with the facts that someone lied or misrepresented themselves, and then issue of people being truthful. now you have meetings with eric holder that are supposed to be off the record, this is now, pr out of control. do you think? >> well, it has been handled well from a public relations standpoint, but the irony is that i think that everyone is acted honorably, nobody i think that lied. they made mistakes. neil: but you don't know that? right? there was a time you troughed bill clinton that -- that you trusted bill clinton that he did not have second wit sex with tht

turns out he did. you said, an interview with don imass you can understand that. but it is what it is, right. >> everyone has over that line but neil cavuto, still remembers it. i'm not going there other to say we all have human weaknesses, so did president clinton. neil: posture that, no one is lying here we don't know that, right? >> well i don't know that but i don't impute lying unless i know that, whereas people for partisan reasons use the lie word, they don't know that. what we do know as a fact. the cia drafted the first line of 12 versions of those talking points that first line said, that the attack was a spontaneous demonstration inspired by cairo. that vindicate the white house.

neil: they followed up with mentioning terror. >> and -- correct, they did delet references to the al qaeda as possibly an element in those demonstrations, but that was done by the cia. and yet not putting the truth out right away, a lod them to be -- allowed them to be suspected of deleting somebody for political reasons. neil: very good pain, lanny davis, thank you. neil: we interrupt this end of the world for everything is fine, mov move on world. what i in the world.

neil: well they were wrong, sequester doesn't kill, the economy doing fine, home sales are soaring, high-end and loewen low end stores are humming. what happened?

i am still looking. okay, mercedes what is the deal? >> well, i think that president obama is learning to live with the sequestration cuts just as majority of american people are, there was no immediate impact on the majority of the american people. he went out on his warning tour, where it would be immediate, and very severe impact we would see with the cuts, we have not seen it at the end we're seeing dc area still booming, housing market doing very well. the unemployment rate here has been unchanged at about 5.9%. so, i think that you know, there may be some bit of an impact but not enough for him to have put forward when he decided a warning to that you know sky was going to fall, we would have huge fallens. >> so happy to hear that you

think that obama administration is doing a good job with the economy. neil: to our regular viewer, i have been talking about real estate. off the mat is not the same as off to the races. >> thank you. i will also say -- neil: it is better. >> good that is -- >> sequestration notwithstanding. >> we're make progress with you. that is good. neil: can we make it colder in here for her, always whining about how cold it is. maybe see if we can get if snowing. >> we'll see, with the sequestration, theic if es have if eeffects have not been felt. irs salehing off. neil: they have to compensate for 16,000 new agents they are bringing in. >> you know they are trying to hire 27,000 people right now, a quarter of them will makeover

$100 thousand a year. the federal government, is not getting rid of the abuse, waste or fat bureaucracy. neil: in washington d.c. the hiring has gone up. >> unbelieveable, i am a small business owner, i know small business owners who have to put people on furlough it is painful. we have to be able it survive, government is not looking at it that way, we're in an economic crisis. neil: maybe the government doosn't have to present or worry about it to get to julie's point, mers merit puts them in a -- mercedes, it puts them in a bit of a box. if we say sequestration is all doom and gloom it not. but, both sides can win out. >> right president has changed his rhetoric, he spoke about the sequestration in 4 speeches in

last month, more about fighting off foolish cuts, his approach has been so irresponsible. he needs to be -- >> spending has gone down, rig right? >> i think sequestration had the agents be able to review and prioritize. neil: well, yeah, but just a spit in the ocean. >> it is. neil: right? >> without raising taxes. >> i understand. >> deficits down, economy is doing much better. sequestration, i'm hope ago. neil: you are saying? >> i am saying, i am hopeful you are right, but i'm worried you are not. neil: craig, i think this emboltens people there is no risk to be had with cutting spending. >> neil, we need to cut deeper. and. neil: i agree. >> i want to cut the air-conditioning in here. neil: i want to cut you off

future appearance on the show. >> over in! neil: julie thank you, your final appearance memorable, mercedes you can come back, and craig you can come back, that is is it here, see you tomorrow >> where is it? winning streak on wall street goes on, and where is the austerity? let's bring economist frifdrich hey yeck back in the mix. >> what is austerity anyway? >> i do not know. >> i have no