good evening, everybody. thanks for being with us. attorney general eric holder tonight is trying to hold on to his job, despite calls from members of both political parties for the president to get rid of him. holder's role in politicizing the justice department, authorizing spying on mmmbers of the national media, his role in the fast and furious gun running scandal, all leading to calls for his resignation, and now top republicans on the house judiciary committee have begun an investigation into whether holder outright lied to their committee two weeks ago, when holder made this statement. >> with regard to the potential prosecution of the press for the disclosure of material, that is

not something that i have ever been involved in, heard of or would think would be a wise policy. in fact, my view's quite the opposite. >> it was just over a week later on may 24th that the department of justice revealed that an affidavit giving the department of justice access to fox chief washington correspondent james rosen's e-mails was quote, approved at the highest levels, including discussions with the attorney general himself. and to gain access to those records, the fbi and justice attorneys had to sign an affidavit that effectively accused rosen of espionage by labeling him a co-conspirator. house judiciary committee chairman bob goodlott said a pointed letter to holder demanding answers to a number of questions regarding the attorney general's role in the rosen scandal and his department spying on as many as 100 reporters and editors at the associated press. his letter read quote, it is imperative that the committee,

the congress and the american people be provided a full and accurate account of your involvement. the white house press secretary, jay carney today, who has been caught in a number of misstatements and contradictions of his own, if not outright lies, today claimed that holder's testimony was truthful and that president obama still has the utmost confidence in his attorney general. not all liberals agree with the president. prominent left wing scholar and george washington university law professor jonathan turley wrote a scathing op-ed in today's "usa today" . he called holder the president's quote, sin eater, while calling for his firing. this follows calls in the left-leaning huffington post for holder to go as well. the department of justice reacted by reaching out to washington, d.c. bureau chiefs of major print and broadcast organizations to set up a meeting with the attorney general to talk about changes to the doj's guidelines for news

organizations' subpoenas. a source close to the attorney general telling fox news that the a.g. regrets the breadth of the rosen and associated press inquiries. an official department of justice statement read quote, the a.g. realizes that things might have gotten a little out of balance, and he wants to make changes to be sure the rules fully account for the balance between the first amendment and law enforcement. not exactly a bouquet of roses extended by the attorney general. for more on the white house scandals and whether we can expect accountability from this administration, radio talk show host monica crowley, fox news digital politics editor, chris steinwald. thanks for being here. monica, let me begin with you. this reaching ut to the press by the attorney general, if there were ever a clearer act of desperation, what could it be? >> well, it's hard to find one, right? so far he's offered his quote, remorse and now he's offering

face time to reporters to try to put out his side of the story. it's a little late for that. this attorney general is really up to his eyeballs in a whole range of scandals. his answers have not been forthcoming. there's no truth telling going on so what he hopes to accomplish by meeting with these -pbureau chiefs is something le open. >> as we reported, chris, this -- the attorney general straight out said that he was not involved in anything that would be a potential prosecution. this could be a more outright misrepresentation of the reality by any imagination, could there? >> well, unfortunately for the attorney general, this is one of those situations where the only defense ends up being one of incompetence or neglect, where you are able to say well, i didn't read it or i didn't know, i signed it but i asn't aware. those are the kinds of statements that you have to make in this case to avoid a perjury charge and congressman goodlatt

and his committee are going to be very good at holding him to account on this because their goal more than anything else, yeah, they're pushing on the perjury but they want to know how many journalists over what period of time and how many phone lines, how many e-mail accounts. that's what they want to get to. >> to chris' poinn, monica, the reality is we have no idea how many journalists the justice department has spied upon or records were seized to follow and trace their traffic, whether it be in communication or whether it be their physical location in washington, d.c. or for that matter, any part of the country. >> right. >> does he actually survive this? >> it's a huge outstanding question because we have two tracks here. first of course we have the james rosen and fox news case which is the case in question here. but prior to that, we've had the exposure of the associated press and the justice department going after 20 phone lines there that cover about 100 reporters and editors of the a.p. so the question is how many journalists, that question has not been answered, what were you really hoping to gain by this.

the surface story is well, they were going after leakers and they wanted to prosecute national security leakers, but there's an underlying idealogical reason why they were going after the press which is an attempt to really intimidate and silence not only those reporters but potential whistleblowers on stories like benghazi and the a.p. and fox news. >> chris, does the attorney general survive? >> no, but the question is when. and that's the big one. attorney general is not a position in which somebody generally stays a very long time. mr. holder's tenure by comparison is long for an attorney general. he surprised many in staying on into the second term and not like hillary clinton excusing himself after re-election. so here he is. i bet obama wishes that holder would have retired already so he could have taken much of this with him, but instead, he stayed, so he can't leave now or it looks like a crisis, and who in the heck would the senate confirm under these circumstances, so mr. holder has to drag his feet, go slow, wait

for this to die down, and then find a more opportune moment to slip out. >> there is a lot of pressure building on the attorney general. you see not just republicans holding his feet to the fire, doing these investigations, but now you see left wing journalists, you see left wing people like jonathan turley, who you reported on earlier, the huffington post also calling for his resignation, but there's only one person whose opinion counts when it comes to eric holder and that's the president of the united states. the second the president deems him a political liability, lou, he is gone. president obama has shown no mercy when it comes to people who become inconvenient to him. >> i personally can't think of a person who has become a liability to the extent of eric holder. there are all sorts of articles about him being the president's altar ego. i don't know if any of that amounts to anything but i do know this. the president himself has a credibility crisis. the president himself has a

crisis of confidence on the part of certainly congress, and we have a president who is effectively willing to run off to chicago as he is tonight, and raise money as a way to, well, to distract himself. this is not a happy time. >> democrats are going to need all that money the president raises tonight and every penny more because 2014 is going to be a rough run and eric holder's not going to make it easier. but as to his being the alter ego and all of that stuff, it's important for not how it makes barack obama feel but for what the president's base thinks. the president is less concerned about what republicans say. he's more concerned about what his activist base says, the folks who got him re-elected. they like eric holder. if the president is seen cashiering him under republican pressure, there will be an uproar the president doesn't want to have to handle. >> an uproar. it would be an uproar that would be somewhat inconsistent with

the president's approval ratings which in the most recent gallup poll are at 50%. monica, your thoughts? >> well, it usually takes a long time for people to pay actual attention to scandals and enough to start assigning blame. usually the american public is very reticent about assigning blame to a president. it took months for the watergate scandal to gain traction, months for the clinton scandals to gain traction. so we're still in the early days of this. the president is in a unique position as the first black president. he's very insulated by this press and continues to be, lou, so it may be awhile before this starts flicking up on to him but it will. trust me. >> chris, you get the last word here. >> i think there's a lot of truth in that but i would say this, that the president has a strategy here. it's to go slow, drag his feet, get in the bunker, stay in the bunker, ride this out. whether that works for his fellow democrats who have to run for re-election, i don't know. >> thank you. thank you, chris. monica, thank you. hackers stealing u.s.

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turning to the syrian conflict, an arms race may be brewing as the united states and russia try to bring the assad regime and opposition leaders together for peace talks. joining us now, former pentagon official, fox national security analyst, k.t. mcfarland, general jack keene, retired four star army general, former army chief of staff. he's also a fox news military analyst. and it is great to have you both with us tonight. k.t., let me start first, the spectacle, if you will, of the

senior senator from arizona going to syria to talk about arming the rebels. your reaction. >> we do not belong in the middle of somebody else's civil war. it is a great tragedy but before you talk about arming anybody, what's the objective, how are you going to achieve that objective. this is not going to be something that's easy or quick, and i think the story you had when you opened this broadcast, chinese hackers, that's where we ought to be paying attention to. syria's important but the chinese stealing trillions of dollars of american intellectual capital and defense capabilities is to me a far more serious problem. >> then i'm confirmed in our lead. >> you indeed aae. >> thank you so much. general, your thoughts on syria as well. >> i completely disagree. if we never want to be involved in anybody's civil war, we would never ever back any insurgencies or try to counterinsurgencies and we've done both of those. i think largely for pretty good reasons. the fact of the matter is no less than secretary of state clinton and director of the cia

petraeus both believe that it's possible to arm the rebels and still achieve some outcome. i don't believe it could be decisive now, because time is on the side of assad, and he clearly is on the move. and frankly, i believe this administration and others are paralyzed by the fear of adverse consequence. therefore, the situation's hopeless and there's nothing we can do about it. quite frankly, we can do something about it and i also would take down assad's airfields and take down lots of his missile systems. i wouldn't establish the no-fly zone yet. i don't think you need to do that. but what the tipping point here militarily which would turn the tide if we want assad to go would be stop his air power from flying. once that happens, the momentum will shift rather quickly. doesn't mean we know what the political outcome is going to be. we don't. that's reality of it. we do know what we get if assad stays in power.

>> the syrian rebels, setting a 24 hour deadline for hezbollah to withdraw from its support of assad, is there a possibility that that deadline would be met? >> no. >> what is the u.s. interest? >> no. look, syria is now like the bar scene in a "star wars" movie. every bad guy in the universe is there. there are over 1,000 rebel groups, the predominant ones, the most powerful ones are tied to al qaeda, they are al qaeda affiliates. any threat that anybody's making right now is not going to happen. i think these guys are in it to fight to the finish. if i could just say, related to general keene, i respect greatly what you have to say but when you say you don't know what the political outcome is, haven't we just seen in syria, you knock off a dictator and what do you have in his place, chaos. you see it in egypt, pull the rug out from another dictator and what happens, economic and political chaos. i'm not sure that this is a situation where we want to go in yet again and roll the dice and hope that well, maybe it will be better than what we have. murde.

he will rot in hell. but the thought that we're going to now get involved in another war in the middle east where we don't know what the political outcome is, i think that's short-sighted. >> i'm going to turn if i may very quickly to the issue you raise. i want to understand why now. we have known that the chinese are carrying on with their front companies and cyberattacks assaults on u.s. intellectual capital, whether it is under the control of our military or whether it's under the control of the private sector. for literally two decades. why now, why is this information leaked, released, how did suddenly the "washington post" get its hands on this and to what end, what purpose of this administration? >> i think it's reaching critical mass. it's now to the point where every one of our major weapons systems has been hacked. in the case of the f-35 fighter, they found out, they hacked into it, got the information. phey put one out on the assembly line and on the tarmac before we could. so i think you're seeing a lot

more of it again because it's reaching critical mass. >> general, you get the last word here. your thoughts on that issue? >> well, i think we got to take the gloves off here with china. the private security company that exposed this a number of weeks ago could have exposed 20 different attacks. they actually had the pictures of the people who were doing it. that's how much we know. that's a private security company. listen, we know what the chinese are doing. we steal their intelligence, they steal our technology and intelligence. we have got to expose them for what they're doing and we're unwilling to do that, quite frankly, and until this administration is willing to do that, they're going to keep on coming. the fact of the matter is they do not want public exposure. they believe they have deniability because of cyber, you don't know who the hackers are. put it out publicly who the hackers are. at least tell the chinese, look, we're going to totally expose you unless you change your behavior and here's what we can give to the world public at large if you don't curb your behavior. i think then we finally start to

make some progress with these guys. >> general, thank you very much. k.t., thank you very much. it's been called a threat to the entire world. a deadly super bug that has no known origin, no known cure, and kills at an alarming rate. dr. mark siegel with the chilling details about the novel coronavirus. wi the spark miles card from capital one, bjorn earnunlimited rewas for his small business take theseags to room 12 please. [ garth ] bjors all busiss earns double miles on every purchase every day. produce delivery. [ bjorn ] just put it on my spark card. [ garth why settle for less? ahh, oh! [ garth ] great businesses deserve limited rerd here's your wake up call. [ male announcer ] get thspark business card from capital o and earn unlimited rewards choose double miles or 2% back on every purchase every day. what's in yourallet? [ crows ] now where's the snooze button?

deadly new threat that has world health officials on high alert. the world health organization today confirmed five more cases of middle east respiratory syndrome. a corona virus, according to the world health organization, the sars-like virus is a quote threat to the entire world. 27 of the 49 confirmed cases have resulted in death. joining us now to give us perspective and understanding on this deadly virus, fox news

medical contributor, dr. mark siegel. and doctor, i have to say, i have never heard of a virus that has better than a 50% death rate. this is stunning stuff. what is happening here? >> well, let me walk you through this. >> that's why you're here. >> it's certainly something we need to take seriously, any time a new virus emerges and we don't know what the scope of it's going to be. we don't knowwand you're right, the initial virus looks like it has a high death rate among the cases. but here's the problem. first of all, that dr. margaret chan is not very shy when she says threat to the entire world. she said this before. >> dr. margaret chan, director of the world health organization. >> she said it with bird flu, could kill up to 90 million, she said. she said it with swine flu. she says it every time there's an emerging virus. >> she's an alarmist. >> she did it with sars. now, sars, here's something very

interesting. sars in 2003 infected 7,000 people and killed about 700. when it first emerged, sars, it was about a 50% death rate and everyone panicked, it's going to kill the entire world. the city of toronto was cordoned off literally and asia spent $30 billion keeping people from traveling and sequestering people and you know what? that's the real story about sars. it's the fear, it's the panic. so now i see on tv everybody saying this could be another sars, and i'm thinking well, but sars wasn't as bad as people said. why am i talking about sars. it's the same kind of virus, a corona virus. guess what else is a corona virus? the common cold. the common cold which doesn't kill anybody. >> when i look at the symptoms of this virus, talking about a cold or flu-like symptoms, coughing, i think my god, how many illnesses have those as symptoms. it's going to be awfully hard to identify. i think to myself wait a minute,

wait a minute, the world health organization is telling us that there are 49 cases. this is pretty good, because we're a planet of over seven billion people and they've come down with 49 folks, they know how many of them have died, this doesn't sound right to me. what's going on? >> exactly right, what you just said. what's going on is it's too early to say anything like what she's saying because we don't even know what something called the attack rate is. in other words, for every person that gets one of these things, how many other people get it, and until we see it actually spreading llke that, we can't assume it will. most of these new viruses don't stay as deadly as they spread, they peter out. either they don't affect a lot of people -- >> that's some solace -- >> no, it should be. because again, every year, there's one of these and the real virus ere is fear. i'm not saying, i'm not dismissing this virus. it needs to be well studied but you know what, we have the scientists to study these things right now but we need a mixed message here.

we need a message of information, we're looking into it, we're studying it, we're figuring out the dna, we're even publishing the dna on the web but it is not clear that this is going to end up being a worldwide scourge. the chances are way against it becoming a major problem. >> when i think of the idea of panic, whether it be globally or otherwise, what in the world can one do if oneedid panic, the fact of the matter is we're dealing with science here. science is now identifying, medical science is identifying this virus and what i am curious about is now the reporting that's suggesting that this is at an abnormally high rate mutating to the point that it is absolutely resistant to antivirals. kind of put that in context for us, if you would. >> okaa. first of all, everyone loves the word mutating because it's a fear word, another fear word. all viruses are mutating all the time. >> we can call it change. >> no, i'm not saying -- you

described that accurately, again, but the problem is most of them mutate or change in ways that make them less harmful, not more harmful so i don't assume that because all of these viruses are changing all the time they're going to become more harmful. in terms of treatments, antivirals don't work against these corona viruses. if they did, we would have a cure for the common cold which is a corona virus. we don't have vaccines or treatments against them but most of the time, they don't spread like wildfire and become a threat. i think it's worth watching this virus and worth studying it. i don't see a vaccine coming against it because we don't have a vaccine against the common cold. >> that's a wonderful point. all of your points are wonderful and terrific, as always. dr. mark siegel, we know what your motivation is and that's the truth and reality and sharing as best you can your knowledge of medical science. wouldn't it be nice to be that smart? i would like to be that smart. >> you're pretty smart, lou. >> dr. mark siegel, thanks for being here.

attorney general eric holder accused of lying under oath. who should investigate america's top law man?

the house judiciary committee investigating whether attorney general eric holder lied under oath earlier this month. at issue, holder's claim about whether he knew about prosecuting reporters under the espionage act. >> with regard to the potential prosecution of the press for the disclosure of material, that is not something that i have ever been involved in, heard of, or would think would be a wise policy. >> well, we now know it was the attorney general who personally approved the search warrant concerning fox news' james rosen. joining us now, former prosecutor leis weil, arthur

idella, both fox news legal analysts. it looks to me like the attorney general lied. >> i think that's plain and simple, he absolutely did. he said he didn't have any knowledge of it but you see the search warrant was signed off. he was given wrong information, that's the only reason he signed off on that warrant for rosen's e-mail addresses and he signed off on it, went to the very highest level. now he's saying he didn't know about it? arthur, good luck defending that one. >> excuse me. >> i'm just saying. >> talk about coming out of your corner. >> isn't this your former agency? aren't you a former united states attorney? ah-ha! >> i never signed off on that. >> that looks like a straight-out open and shut case. >> i've had clients who get threatened to go to jail for a lot less than that. a lot less than that. martha stewart went to jail for basically the same exact thing and she's a layperson. he is not only an attorney. he's the attorney general.

he is supposed to be prepared. there's no excuses for him to have a lapse in judgment. >> this guy said i don't know in one form or another 57 times. >> right. >> good lord. >> either you signed off on it or you did not. he signed off on it. >> your former agency is supposed to prevent people from lying, went in front of the most prestigious panel and lied. >> thank you. you agree with me then. >> i agree that your former employer messed up and should be punished, the same way you always want my clients to be punished. >> there is agreement, then. >> yes. there is agreement. >> let's proceed to -- we got a lot on the docket here. >> lou, you know what's interesting. >> i know about dockets. >> there's the fox issue that has pushed the whole associated press subpoena like under the table. meanwhile, that's a whole other issue in and of itself. >> the associated press happened a week before we heard about

rosen. that was already there. this is now the second time, maybe the third because of a cbs reporter as well. >> we don't know how much experience that this attorney general has in, one, going after the press because this -- these court documents were sealed for a year and a half longer than they were supposed to be. >> right. >> the judge, by the way, apologized for that. >> yes. that's why i said the judge got bad information, got false information. you're calling a correspondent a criminal. i mean -- >> to be fair to the judge, what he had in front of him was this affidavit that holder -- >> who signed that affidavit? who signed that affidavit? the u.s. attorney? >> no, fbi agent. >> and the fbi agent. both, correct? >> right. correct. >> the attorney brings it to the judge. there were many u.s. attorneys now former saying this should have never happened, it never would have gotten through the layers before it even got to the u.s. attorney. >> you know why, you had a bunch of true believers in the room,

okay? >> i don't know what the believing is. that's the issue. >> they didn't believe in the constitution of the united states. they sure as hell didn't believe in that, did they? >> well, what -- >> call them true disbelievers. what do you think? >> to think that they didn't realize as they sat in their cloistered room and brought this to the judge, i'm not blaming the judge completely because he got bad information, that they wouldn't get caught. talk about martha stewart. you don't think ou're going to get caughh for something like that? are you kidding me? you're talking about fox news. >> let's back off here just a bit, too. when i said true believers, i mean true believers in a political sense. the reason i think we got a pretty good case for that is the attorney general had to shop this deal around looking for that judge. so i don't think there's much wiggle room even for these folks who make a living out of wiggling. >> the term that's used in the law is chilling effect. >> chilling effect.

>> you're not supposed to create a chilling effect for the media to do their job. james rosen to pick up the phone and call who he needs to call to do his job. >> it's not just james rosen or fox news. it's a.p., cbs, everybody, everything. to tell a reporter if you do your job, we're going to come after you and call you a co-conspirator. >> the reason cbs is because of sheryl atkins. we've got to take them at their word, the justice department said they didn't do it. no, i don't think they have to take them at their word in anything. that's a huge problem for this country. this administration is responsible for, i mean, such a disgusting lack of credibility. accountability. there needs to be integrity. by the way, do you think i'll get an invitation -- >> i don't think you'll be hanging out there any time soon.

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political service career and it puts him on track to be president. i was drawn to their stories. >> as a presidential historian, you're talking about one of the great presidents. you're talking about one of the pivotal moments in american history. when you look at what is happening right now in washington, d.c. with this president, this congress, this senate, give us your comparison, your thoughts, your emotions on the contrast. >> well, what strikes me about today is how heavy laden that the bureaucracy is. everybody is hiding behind the person above them or below them. there's a bureaucracy. when john quincy adams was a diplomat to russia, he communicated directly with the president of the united states through letters, and directly through letters to the secretary of state. we've lost a lot of that. i think that's the difference. communication was very slow, it would take weeks for letters to go by ship, but it's instant

today, yet the bureaucracy really does seem to weigh down and you know, just cover all of what we're seeing now. that's what they're trying to do is break through thatt bureaucratic stronghold. >> it is a stronghold, it is also a stronghold, if you will, a fortress now which, well, is encircled with a stone wall whether it be the obama irs scandal, whether it be the justice department fast and furious scandal, the associated press, the james rosen and fox news scandal, whether it be benghazi. i mean, the list goes on and on, and all of it is coming back to one man, the president of the united states. he's going to be judged by the character that is revealed in his response to these scandals and this crisis for him, don't you think? >> yes, he is. and there was a moment during the war of 1812 where james madison was under scrutiny for

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to put all of his scandals behind him for at least a day or so. but we'll talk to the a-team about whether he's about to lose his attorney general. we went out and asked people a simple question: how old is the oldest person you've known? we gave people a sticker and had them show us. we learned a lot of us have known someone who's lived well into their 90s. and that's a great thing. but even thgh we're living longer, one thing thahasn't changed much is the official retiment age. ♪ the question is how do you make sure you havthe money you need to enjoy all of these years. ♪ and so too is the summer event. now get anncredible offer on the powerful, efficient c250 sport sedan th an agility control sport-tuned suspension. but hurry before this opportunity... disappears. the mercedes-benz summer event ends soon.

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joining me now the a-team, former clintsen advisor fox news contributor doug shone. fox news contributor eric ericson and fox neww contributor juan williams. great to have you all here. let me start if i may with attorney general holder. he is now going to talk with the distinguished bureau chiefs of print and broadcast organizations in washington to talk about how to better serve subpoenas on them and spy on them and get their records. how is that going to be a sweet

bouquet and kiss to the national media that has been offended? >> well, at best it will be a wet kiss but i think it will be no kiss at all. i think frankly the attorney general has lost much, if not all, of his credibility. i don't think given what the justice department has done, he'll be -- seen too receptively. >> would you advise the president to get rid of him? >> i think he has to seriously consider it, because his credibility given his testimony, i'm not sure it rises to the level of perjury but there's certainly an operative question that raises the issue of a special prosecutor. >> juan williams, you've watched holder's testimony. let me ask you first, did he lie? >> no, i don't think so. i think he was talking specifically about publishing national security information and he was not party to any such discussion. he wasn't even technically party to the thought that you would prosecute james rosen. it was that he made a terrible

error in listing james as a co-conspirator but no, he didn't lie about that to the house. >> eric, do you concur with our colleague? >> well, i'm not so sure, given his statement pretty definitive that he didn't play a role in any of these investigations, he didn't sign off on them and now we know he did sign off on them. to his credit, i'll say attorney general s have a lot of paper shoved in their face and signed, not necessarily knowing what it is, but he did sign it. it was his call. we know he's concerned given the media push-back the last few days but fawning stories about how he's so upset that his public image isn't what he really believes. he did it. >> did he ever. let meeturn to the internal revenue service. four committees now are pursuing the internal revenue service. it turns out, doug, that we've been lied to again. >> well, that to me, lou, is fairly clear. the story that we were first told about a limited

investigation coming out of cincinnati by some low level employees is just plain false. we're learning of higher level involvement in washington, the treasury being informed earlier than the administration had indicated -- >> only by a year. only by a year. >> what's a year among friends. >> and only rising to the level of a deputy treasury secretary. is there any excuse for this level of -- i don't know what you want to call it. misrepresentation. we don't want to call it lies. i know you folks don't use that expression in washington. but this is an administration in the grip of an inability to find truth in their testimony before congress. >> well, i think there's a lot of, you know, hoo do you say it politely, i know we're on the great dobbs show so cover your something, derriere or something. >> we're all about the french. >> i think that everybody's in that mode, because you've seen

people now, you know, forced out and lois lerner is concerned about her fifth amendment rights and refusing to testify and she's been called a liar. at this point, everybody is lawyered up.

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be in large letters on the front page of every newspaper in america. what we're seeing with four out of ten families now, the woman is the primary breadwinner, you're seeing the disintegration of marriage, you're seeing men who were hard hit by the economic recession in ways that women weren't, but you're seeing i think systemically larger than the political stories that we follow every day, something going terribly wrong in american society and it's hurting our children. and it's going to have impact for generations to come. left, right, i don't see how you can argue this. >> you mention children, and those are the children who survive. 54 million abortions since roe v wade. 54 million in this country. what has been the impact of that? what does it say about our society, our high school dropouts. eric, your thoughts on this study and what it portends. >> i'm so used to liberals telling conservatives that they're anti-science but this is

liberals who defend this and say it's not a bad thing are very anti-science, when you look at biology, look at the natural world, the roles of a male and a female in society and other animals, that the male typically is the dominant role, the female is not antithesis or not competing, it's a complementary role. we as people in a smart society have lost the ability to have complementary relationships in nuclear families and it's tearing us apart. what i find interesting in the survey is that three-quarters of the people surveyed recognize that having mom as the primary breadwinner is bad for kids and bad for marriage and reality shows us that's the truth. >> polittcians won't say it. that's what bothers me, eric. you know what, they are so scared, they are so much a bunch of, you know, but they won't admit -- >> it's a war on women. >> i got to tell you it's tearing apart minorityy communities even worse than white communities in this country. >> yeah, look, i think i would associate myself completely with what juan is saying.

i wrote a biography once of daniel patrick moynihan. this is a catastrophic issue ann sadly, no one on the left, right or center is dealing with the breakdown of family structure. we're losing a generation. bottom line, it could undermine our social order. >> and it may in fact be doing that. as we look at the absolute disaster that is our public education system and the fictions that have grown up around what we've done to local schools. i mean, we've got a department of education which is no, no replacement or substitute or even adequate, frankly, complement to local school districts having control of if it hits a community, until we get this through our head, if it

hits any community in this country, it's our community. and this is not something that is, in my opinion, debatable. we are playing cannon fodder to the rhetoricians that want to use the language of race and division and we really ought to tell them to go to hell. we ought to say it first and foremost right here in the national media. >> the people that want school choice and benefit from school choice the most are poor african-americans and hispanics. >> we're not talking about school choice. >> you were talking about education. >> i'm talking about education and i don't want to hear the partisan words. i don't want to hear the idealogical nonsense. >> let's talk about teaching our kids how to read, to write, express themselves, and to build relationships. eric, you'll get the last word here. >> you know, it becomes more difficult for republicans these days because they're so scared of the idea of the war on women and raising this issue it sounds anti-women, the democrats bash them for it. but then to the basic point,

we've got a society of elites that not only don't think this is a bad thing, they're raising kids in schools to be workers, not citizens. >> well said. gentlemen, thank you. appreciate it. that's it for us. have a great one. see you tomorrow. >> announcer: the following is a paid presentation for the nutribullet, brought to you by nutribullet, l.l.c. [♪...] >> my muscle aches, my bk aches really started to decrease significantly in one week. >> the first night that i actually used the nutribult, i actually slept really well. that was exciting. that washenomenal. >> the bad cholesterol, which was 290, went down to 190. >> the changes that i saw in myself and my family were just amazing. >> announcer: join these people and thousands just like them and discover a mhine that finally has the power to take years off the y you look and feel. learn fromutrition expert and best-selling author david wolfe, who speaks to soldut audiences around the world, why he calls this the most siificant