us live. have a great night. see you back here tomorrow. ♪ lou: good evening, everybody, and thank you for being with us. breaking news at this hour. the washington post reports that the national security agency and the fbi are mining the servers of nine leading u.s. internet companies. the highly classified program is code name prism revealed to the washington post by an unnamed source. the agency's extracting audio, video, photographs, and e-mail to track a person's movements and contacts the washington post reports. the technology companies participating knowingly including microsoft, yahoo, google, facebook, pal talk, aol, skype, youtube, and apple.

meanwhile, washington today a buzz regarding a separately and known nsa effort to mine data from more than a hundred million verizon wireless customers, and the president today tried to change the subject from the number of scandals engulfing his administration changing both his location and his message. president obama hoped he can pivot the media narrative from the scandals that threaten his legacy. the president talking jobs. in north carolina today, before he heads to california for two more private ritzy fundraisers. while the president avoided the scandals or tried to without success, capitol hill was not. two more hearings today, one involving attorney general eric holder, the other investigating the blatant misuse of taxpayer dollars by the internal revenue service. we begin with the attorney general. holder appearing before the

senate appropriations subcommittee where he has acknowledged mistakes have been made, and he claimed the justice department will not prosecute reporters for doing their jobs so long as he is the top law enforcement official in the nation. he did not mention the constitution. house judiciary chairman, bob goodlatty, trying to see if he purr juried himself in front of the committee. goodlatte calmed holder to testify began before the judiciary committee, and that appearance is slated for june 18. meanwhile, lawmakers from both parties are blasting the internal revenue service for what oversight committee chairman issa calls maliciously self-indulgence spending. the house oversight committee looking for explanations how the irs blew 50 million of taxpayer money on lavish conferences

between 2010-12. one california based conference priced at $4 million itself. the head of the irs division that staged the conference offered nothing more than a nervous apology for the gross misuse of taxpayer money including his role in the eo that on your screen,ous "star that is also mr. ferris at the mommnt. >> it's em -- embarrassing. i apologize. i know in the inspector's report there's not a clear delin nation of the cost of the videos, but they are embarrassing, and i regret the fact that they were made. lou: for more on the hearing on the wasteful spending, we turn to mike with the report.

>> the house oversight committee's investigation into the irs shifted focus on the extravagant spending at the tax collection agency featuring fink, the deputy irs commissioner, who played mr. spoke in a accident star trek" spoof video in anaheim california. >> anarchy is spreading across the planet like a virus. >> starting with mr. fink, what were you thinking? >> the fact of the matter is it's embarrassing, and i apologize. >> the top democrat watched the video a number of times ahead of the hearing. >> i swear to god, i looked at that video over and over again, and i swear i do not see the redeeming value. >> beyond the video, he he has hesitated asking to explain who authorized the spending of $4.1 # is million on one conference. >> i did not become aware of the massive expense until much later. i did not know what the expense was at the time of the

conference that we were paying. >> but fink answered differently after it was revealed he signed a document with the cost on it before the conference. >> you signed off on a routeing slip. you participated in meetings understanding the cost before the conference happened. are you here claiming no responsibility at this point? >> absolutely not, that's why i'm here. i was aware of the cost when we did -- the estimated cost of 4.3 when we did the briefing for the two deputy commissioners. >> on the investigation in the targeting of conservative group, cincinnati irs employee told investigators app irs lawyer in washington, carter hull, oversaw her work and suggested questions to does, quote, i was essentially a front person because i had no autonomy or no authority to agent on applications without carter's influence or input.

the agent said he was angry when lois lerner was scapegoating cincinnati, quote, i was furious. it looked like lois lerner put it op us. she pled the fifth in the hearing after trying to defend herself. the transcript and interviews contradict the initial narrative targeting a couple agents in cincinnati going rogue. lou? lou: thank you. meanwhile, attorney general eric holder's role in the targeting of journalists in the leak investigations, the principle topic at a hearing held by the senate appropriations subcommittee. the attorney general forced to defend his department's abuse of the first amendment leading to an admission that changes need to be made. fox news correspondent shannon breen with the report. >> i hope you agree the american

people deserve an attorney general completely focused on the fair, impartial judgment of the law of justice and not distracted by controversies of his own making. reporter: eric holder took heat from both sides of the hill today, tough questions from senators as long as a new demand from house republicans that rehurricane to the hill on june 18th to testify under oath, again, about his role in aggressive leak investigations into reporters' phone records and personal e-mails saying there's a conflict of what he told the house judiciary committee and what they later learned. quote, we do not believe the request you provided the committee with the on the record explanation of the on the record testimony is extraordinary. we believe the committee and the american people deserve to hear from you directly. today, holder told senators that the justice department is taking a hard look at its policies regarding leak investigations and made this vow. >> the department has not prosecuted, and as long as i have the privilege of

receiverring as attorney general of the united states will not prosecute any reporter for doing his or her job. reporter: critics say that's not the issue. they confirmed what's public knowledge, that fox's chief respondent was the reporter subjected to search warrants based on allegations that he engaged in criminal activity. despite the fact that rosen has not been prosecuted, house chairman bob goodlatte says the decision to identify him as a potential criminal is the real issue. >> it has a very chilling effect on the first amendment, and it's a very serious matter for the attorney general to say he was not aware of this when he approved that search warrant raises additional questions as well. reporter: we've reached out to the justice department for any response to the request that holder appear on the 18th. so far, no word, but it's likely they'll subpoena holder if he declines, lou? lou: shannon, thank you.

joining us now for more on the national security agency's prism program and the collection of records from verizon customers, fox news digital politics center steven hayes, fox news contributor, gentlemen, thank you for being here. steven, beginning with you. this report, this excluesive report from the washington post, to be clear, we all knee about what was breaking across news, that was all day long. we knew seven years ago. usa today mongs -- amongst other news organizations talking about the collection of met that data. this story is different dealing with interpret service providers. >> yeah, i think you're exactly right. it's a proper distinction to make, and in some ways, at least my first two reads of the story about this new prism program or this prism program that's been in existence, but we are first learning about it, seems to be magnitudes of order more

significant than the verizon story, that, as you said, we talk about all the time because it appears to, if you read closely, appears to get into content rather than collecting and animal idahoing meta data. meta data is cold, and patterns emerge when you go through it and analyze, but this is requiring sort of eye's on analysis of actual content of actual communications which we were not seeing. we were not listening into these conversations in the case of verizon and the other providers. lou: chris? >> it's remarkable. all i can say about politics is that it's always true that when it rains it pours. i've never seen a president have a six month this heinous to start a second term. i can't imagine how it could get worse for the president, butti said that yesterday. i said that when the verizon story came out, and now even

before the day it done, the next thing is out, a president who owes his election and re-election in large part to his stature as a civil libertarian, a guy who was able to rally the democratic base against george w. bush, doing stuff that today prompted the new york new timeso say the administration lost all credibility. this is a disaster. lou: repeating what chris just said, that's the "new york times" saying that this president has lost all credibility, and irony within ironies, it is, of course, google and facebook that were principle allies of this president in his re-election campaign. no, his original campaign to take the office, they have been political partners and are becoming increasingly intertwined in their political connectivity, if you will. let's turn, if i may, to the internal revenue service.

steve, this is a dissing to ri berches by the internal revenue service. it is disgusting to see official after official whether they are talking about the lavish spending, the utter corruption, the political corruption of the organization, the contemptible organizational cowardness of the management of the internal revenue service. now we know blaming 88 and 99 people, steven miller initially saying that the number was something like two had gone rogue in cincinnati. it just monstrous lie and disturbing revelation, one after the other. >> be clear about one thing. if there were really just two rogue individuals, low level individuals operating out of the cincinnati office responsible for this, we would know their name, and they would be in deep trouble, could be in jail now, and they are not. it was not that. i think mr. fink today in testimony as depighted in --

depicted tonight may have gotten himself in hot water. he seems, to me, claiming he doesn't know how expensive the $4.1 expenditure was, but it was pointed out to him he, in fact, signed an estimate of the cost that was $4.3 million, so either he knew about it or he didn't know about it, and as you say, lou, this is one in sort of a cascading series of %-we've gotten from irs officias and, frankly, members of the backup administration about this particular scale. lou: and now we have, chris, the president, if you will, closing ranks. the post, susan rice to the national security adviser, not requiring confirmation. if i've ever seen a more

rational security team, i can't imagine who it would be. >> well, i do know that the chances of us bombing syria has gone way up, a western intervention in syria's much more likely. this is a signal that the interventionist approach taken in libya is very likely now to be put forward in syria. there's a genocide there already, and samantha powers, that's her portfolio, her professional life talking about how the west in particular should use power to intervenn. shements -- she wants it, susan rice wants it, she's very hawkish on that stuff. we can expect to see more of that from this administration. >> my colleague did not want to use that word, i did, which is radical. [laughter] when you have the things that

have been written and said by samantha power, it is stupid that there's not an outcry as shy moves towards taking up the post in the united nations. do you agree with that? >> she, at one point, argued for a policy of a u.s. mea culpa around the world, and, frankly, i think we saw that in some ways in the president's earliest months. look, i'm not sure that we'll see the kind of dramatic turn that my colleague suggests. i think he has good grounds for suspecting me might, but i believe president obama is driving the train, and you'll hear arguments from susan rise and power to take a more activist and more interventionist role, but it seems he's made clear over four and a half years he wants to reduce the united states' foot print, not project our values in the way that we certainly did under george w. bush and arguably under bill clinton.

lou: we'll not even refer to chris, just uniformly refer to as our colleague. [laughter] thank you, yes -- gentlemen, appreciate it. much more on the white house scandal throughout this broadcast. president obama set to make his pivot to asia and the pacific. the man who led our pacific fleet, admiral james lyons, on the strategy and potential for success. a volatile session on wall street, the dow, however, avoids the first three-day losing streak this year. we're joined next by ubs chief economist mori harris.

lieu lie stocks finishing the day higher after a volatile

session. the dow jones industrials up 80 points after about a 200 point swing. the s&p gaining 14 points, the nasdaq up 33. volume on the big board, 3.5 billion shares, about what it was yesterday. jobless claims down 11,000 last week to 346,000 ahead of tomorrow's jobs report. gold gained $17. gold at almost 1416 an ounce. crude oil up a dollar settling at 94.76 a barrel. the ten year fell, and the next guest says talk from the fed is confusing and already nervous market joining us with the outlook for the markets on the economy is mori harris, chief u.s. economist for ubs investment research. that dog-gone fed, do you think they are trying to confuse us all? >> they want to keep us guessing in some republics because what they are worried about is that when they stop doing the qe,

when they stop purchasing the securities and maybe start to sell them down the road, they are worried about a runup in rates, and what that fear is that as soon as they start to dial back the qe and dial back securities, all of us go out there and short the bond market. their trick is to say, well, we can bow the qe down, but bow it back up again if we need to so that way we don't extrapolate. i think i can see their thinking, but it confuses people. lou: confusing people. the fed has to be smart ore than at least inces than it's been. there's no confidence. in the confusion, there's no confidence in what in the world they are doing. are there capacity, irrespective of what that might be, to execute it? >> on their behalf, you could say they are dealing with something that's complicated. having said that, they could

still do a better job of communing, and, you know, it's a situation where you got different members with freedom of speech, say anything they want. they need to work harder on getting only [audience boos] -- on the same page. lou: we'll get that indication tomorrow. i love it. the unemployment rate is now a benchmark for monetary policy. what do you expect that unemployment rate to show in terms of jobs created and unemployment rate? >> well, i think we added about 2 # -- 200,000 to the payrolls, and unemployment rate, we think, fell to 7.4%. a lot of these fed people have said that if jobs were going to be around 200,000 a month consistently, then they would die back the qe. you know, innthe first four months of the year, you were almost there. jobs averaging 196,000 a month. lou: right. it was better times. i don't -- i -- as i look at the

market, i look at the economy, @ personally do not see anything that's changed my thinking over the course of the laat 30-60 days. that may be me being obtuse and incapable of appreciating changed circumstances. what do you see as the most significant change that people should be focusing on as you look out through the remainder of the year? >> well, there was important cross roads here. what looks good? the layoffs are down. that's important. what looks good? consumer confidence is up. what doesn't look good is that the manufacturing sector's treading water right now. i think the reconciliation is going to be that the consumer continuing to be optimistic and spends more and manufacturing picks up, but what i had my eye op right now is that disconnect between manufacturing, just treading water, and the consumers feeling just find

about things. lou: and the investor at this point should do what? >> think about the long run, and in the long run, the stocks out perform the bonds, maybe not next week or an ex month, but over the next number of months and over the next couple of years. lou: all right, as always, great to have you here. good to see you. coming up tomorrow, the obama scandals, the constitutional crisis that they may portend. ann coulter and andrew mccarthy among our guests tomorrow. president obama set face-to-face meetings with his chinese counterpart tomorrow, and admiral james lyons on whether or not the president will succeed in his pivot. tea party groups not the only ones targeted by the irs. family research council leading con sirvetive, tony perkins, on fortunate first time what the irs did to his organization.

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lou: as we learn about the national security agency and the fbi, tapping into the servers of nine leading u.s. internet companies, cybersecurity taking center at obama's china summit tomorrow as well as the territorial disputes in the south china sea among the issues that the two leaders will be discussing. admiral james lyons is the retired # commander of the u.s. pacific fleet, and we are delighted to have you with us, and i've got to begin with why do you suppose this is all coming out now? we know about the nsa, meta data gathering. we did not know about operation prism, but there's some reason that this material is pushed out here right now. it does not look -- it's truly a strange piece of timing. >> well, i think they see a

certain weakness in this administration, and they are taking advantage of it. lou: "they" being who? >> well, i think china. certainly, they with their policies in the south china sea, aggressive bullying tactics, their declaration of recognized international water, which comprises 2.6 million square miles, which we cannot let stand. there is no compromise on that issue. i can tell you our allies are going ton watching how president obama handles this delicate issue. lou: how do you expect them to handle it? we're talking about south korea, we're talking about, obviously, japan. we're talking about perspectively and potentially an immensely important ally in india. >> right.

well, what he has to make clear is that the united states-and-a-half vie stood for freedom of navigation and the right of innocent passage for over 236 years, and we're not about to change course now. he has to make it clear to the chinese president that if his hostilities break out because of china's bullying tactics, we'll stand with our allies and meet our obligations under our mutual defense treaty. lou: now, how significant is the threat posed by china's new development of anticarryier missiles and other weapons? how important is that in the balance of power in the region? >> well, certainly, he needs to make it clear that i chinese built the navy to fight the united states navy. they didn't build antiballistic

missiles to go against the bang bangladesh navy. it's considered unfriendly act. in fact, through their actions one could posture we're starting a 21st century cold war. lou: with the chinese? >> with the chinese, and if they have that in mind, we're prepared to meet that challenge and take on another communism totalitarian regime. lou: we have, developing as well, obviously, a countervailing commitment of force and energy and troops and treasure in the middle east at a time the potential threat rises really from russia and really from china. >> right. lou: to what degree can this administration make a pivot as it's styling the discussion with

the president of chie? -- china? >> sequestering is not helping the situation. we've been on disarmorment, which must stop. we have to make president obama live up to his promises where he, to get the treaty assigned with the strategic talks with russia, he promised to modernize forces and develop a new nuclear weapon. we need to hole them to that. lou: meanwhile, i think, most people watching and listening know that the russians have more warheads now than does the united states. admiral, thank you very much for being with us. >> nice to be here. lou: some anniversaries of note today. it was exactly 69 years ago today that 160,000 american,

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lou: breaking news. tropical storm andrea making land fall in florida's big bend

area as you see there. it's quite a storm. the latest update showing the first named storm of the atlantic season. winds are rising to 6 # 5 miles per hour. government forecasters now say andrea should weaken after having made land fall. in what remains of the storm continues to move up the east coast, moving north tomorrow and saturday and the northeast will be feeling the results. turning back to the irs scandal, next guest says freedoms of religion, assembly, petition at risk because of the growing powers and abuses of the internal revenue service. here to talk about as well what happened to his organization for the first time ever, tony perkins. he's going to be revealing for the first time ever what happened. toe -- tony, i'm delighted to say, a frequent guest of the broadcast. >> good to see you. i didn't know you do the weather. lou: i do whatever is news, and that is news.

that storm, as ewe saw that was quite -- is quite something. we got a storm brewing as well when christian organizations, evangelical organizations like your own are, frankly, a target of the internal revenue service. tell us about what happened to you. >> it's widespread. you had organizations that were seeking tax exemption that were asked about the content of their prayers. we had organizations required to sign afts they would not protest outside of plan the parenthood clinics. you know, we, what we found since then, is people talked and said, hey, we had an audit, an investigation, and, you know, we didn't talk prior to this because we thought that was the way government did business. we had a compensation audit in the same time where we had to turn overnd hundreds of pages of paper, untold staff hours. it still has not been resolved. now, was that targeted scandal?

you know k i don't know that, but that's the problem. lou: what is the irs allegation there? >> well, there's no allegation. they just come in and say we want to audit you, look how you compensate your employees. lou: right, and the question would be -- >> well, the question is, why do you want to look at it? see if you're in standards, paid everything you need to pay, and it's a fishing expedition. we got a clean bill of health because we do everything by the book, but the fact is why did they come after us? was it -- lou: how long ago did this begin? >> the same time frame, about 18-24 months ago. lou: still unresolved? >> yeah, still working with attorneys to settle it because they wanted us to pay money, and we're not going to. we did everything we need to do to comply with the law. was it -- this goads back to the point about the scandals, lou. is the irs lost credibility. it's line enron.

they are out there blowing our money. they are targeting people, organizations, and they lack credibility. it's time we do away with the irs. we totally reform our system of taxation. the -- lou: i'm hearing this from, you know, not all you, who e respect immensely, but dave kemp, the chairman of the ways and means committee, i think there's a great danger in you conservatives, and i'm independent conservative, and you conservatives conflating the issues here. the tax code and the corruption of the internal revenue service, conflating the abuse of power with a tax code that is a monstrosity. this is political corruption. it's insinuation into our federal government. it's not only, obviously, and importantly in the internal revenue service, but it extends to the justice department, our state department. >> there's no department within this administration that has not been touched by a scandal.

here's the point, we have a system that's so massive and so con convoluted that it -- lou: has nothing to do with this president, in all likelihood, leave him out of it until it's there. his political arm is now being represented by the interim revenue service when it goes after you, after conservative groups, and evangelical groups. >> there's two issues. lou: definitely two issues, and the important issue is to rip corruption from the government wherever we find it and not get distracted from the course. >> there's a two-step process. one is to sort out the information, see who committed the crimes and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law, but we have to fix it so it's not used again by another corrupt administration. lou: you know how long we heard this, not used again, and there's deflection and distraction. >> i know, back to nixon. lou: here we are again with a

presidency now engulfed in scandal, it's an administration corrupted beyond any imaginings, just a year ago. what we have now is a problem to solve, and it cant be done in half measures. >> no, no, you're right. there's a danger here. if we do not address the criminal activities, what we do is we allow the moral boundary of what's acceptable to be moved, and we undermine our very -- our own system of government if we don't address these things. lou: you know, one of the things that occurs to me, i never saw the republican party, conservative movement more divided than it is right now at a time when the family research council, when all conservative groups should be coming together and working together. you're desperate, split, divided, and i know you're going to say, no, it's just fine. >> i wouldn't say that. lou: the reality is this is a

noble cause that either you conservatives stand up for and resolve in support of our congressman who and senators who have the guts and courage to get it done. it's an assault op the country in my opinion. >> there's more happening than you see on the surface. there is unity under the -- understanding what's at stake here, that you've got the -- lou: talking about action. >> it's happening, it's happening. lou: what's happening? because that's the news here. because no one knows that there's anything happening outside what we see in the halls of congress, and we're proud and happy that shall be's taking care. >> first off, the information is -- folks are coming forward to say what happened to the organizations collected, but there's other scandals -- lou: okay, okay. we have to leave it there, tony. it's always great to have you with us. >> all right, lou. lou: go to loudobbs.com, tweet me, facebook, and up next, we'll

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book, i recommend it highly, online, in bookstores importannly, and we have a connection to it on loudobbs.com as well. make all transactions you want to. the idea that we're seeing a nation where along our east and west coast becoming so hsm regulated, such massive taxes that it's going to become a disincentive for folks and spell prosperity for the middle of the country. how soon? >> well, i'll tell you the bidses are moving now. the businesses have been in the process of moving, and it'll take longer, the people are starting to follow because all people want in this country and pretty much everywhere is an opportunity to earn a better life. they talk about why is there not job creation? it's a big deal for tomorrow. there is job creation. the half a million jobs created in this central corridor since the credit crisis.

the old school economic theory of, oh, the coasts are going to lead the economy forward is not working anymore. lou: it's not working. the taxes are rising. we're looking at demographic shifts as well that are going to be very, very important. you predict the smart money, the business, the wealthy folks will be relocating. you know, i think some interior states like illinois, i mean, that's got to get some folks -- smart money a lot of pause. >> well, no one goes to illinois because they raise the the taxes by two-thirds. it's difficult to get anything done, and if you're smart, and, you know, you understand that the liabilities that you take on as a taxpayer, meaning that they are going to lean on you for more and more tax dollars if you move to illinois is pretty threatening because what happens is not only do your taxes go up, but when the states are really in bad shape, money for other things, important things like education, roads, public safety, that goes away.

people are paying more and getting less for their money, and there's no money to retrain people. up employment stays structurally high. lou: unemployment is chronic. it is, without question now, structural, without policy response, without a leadership response. >> without policy response. amazing; right? all talk, no action. lou: and we're a nation dependent upon growth, but there's no discussion about when does prosperity return to the country. that's in the market, not simply in isolated areas. is it dependent on a new set of leaders, both in business and in washington? >> so here's the really cool thing. you're already seeing it in these states so 2008-20 #11, the last data available, states like texas grew 8 #%. states like louisiana grew 16 pakistan, and states like north

dakota grew 26%. you know, statings like california grew 3 #% in that time, half the national average, and states like florida, arizona, and nevada grew less than that. it's really happening here. you know, if states that are not doing the right thing, california, new jersey, illinois don't wake up and pay attention, they will be way behind the game. it's dangerous. you know, it's sad that the states that need the change the most are the most resis tent to the change. lou: are banks back? >> i think banks are going to -- are also in structural transition. lou: all right. oh, i like that, structural transition. we thank you very much. >> thank you o much. lou: we recommend your book, which is called "fate of the states" on sale on line and in bookstores now or loudobb south china south china sea -- loudobbs.com for the book.

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neil: what the hell is going on? the nsa is tapping our phones and verizon is letting them or dleghting our phone records, and verizon, again, is letting them? forget about whether we are losing criminal. the more stuff like this happens, you know, we could be losing our country. weird, just weird. riddle me this. how can you tell if your phone is tapped? you can't. they are so good at it you wouldn't have the vaguest clue they are doing it, same goes for what is more likely the case here, someone getting your phone records. if verizon hands them over to the government, how would you know? well, you wouldn't. it's already happened. i bet you didn't know, did you? whether