our show, thanks for watching. lou: gd evening, everybody, and thank you for being with us. breaking news at this hour. the washingon post repo that the natonal security ancy and the fbi are mining the servers of nine leading u.s.internet companies. the highly classified proram is code name prism revealed to the washingtonost by an unnamed source. the agency's extracting audio, video, phoographs, and e-mail to track a person' movements and contacts he washington post reports. the technology companies participating knowingly including micrsoft, yahoo, google, facebook, pal talk, aol, skype, youtube, and apple.

meanwhile, washingt today a buzz regarding a separately and known ns effrt to min data from more than a hudred million verizon wireeless customers, and the president today tried to change the subject fro the number of scandal engulfing his aadministration changing both hs location and his message. president obama hope he can pivot the medianarrave from the scandals that threaten his legacy. the prident talking jobs. in north carolina today, before he heads to california for two more piva ritzy fundraises. while th president avoided the scandals or tried to without success, capito hi was not. two more herings today, one involving attorney general eric holder, the other investigating the blatant misuse f taxpayer dollars by the nternal reenue service. we begin with the attorney general. holder appearing before he

senate appropriations subcommittee where he has acknowleed mistakes have been made, ande claimed the justice department will not prosecute reporters or doing heir jobs so long as he is the top l enforcement official in the nation. he did not mention the constitution. house judicry chirman, bob goodlatty, trying to see ifhe purr juried himself in front of the committee. goodlatte calmed holder to stify began before he judiciary committee, and that appearance is slated foune 18. meanwhile, lawmakers from both parties are blasting the internal revenue service for what oversight committee chairman issa clls maliciously self-indulgence spending. the hous oversight committee looking for explanations how the irs blew 50 million of taxpayer money on lavish conferences

between 2010-12. one california based conference priced at $4 mllion itself. the head of the irs division that staged the conference offered nohing more than a nervous apology r the gross misuse of taxpayer money including his rol in the creation of the ridiculous "star trek" video that on your screen, that is also mr. ferris at the mommnt >> it's em - embarrassing. i apologize. i know in the inspector's report there's not a clear elin nation of the cost of the videos, ut they re embarrassing, and i regret the fact that thy were made. lou: for more n the hearing on the wateful spending, w turn to mike with th report.

>> thehouse oversight committee's investigation into the irs shifted focus on the extravagant spending at the tax collection agency featuring fink, thedeputy irs commissioner, who played mr. spoke in a accident star trek" spoof video in anaheim california. >> anarchy is spreading across the planet like a virus. >> starting with mr. fink, what were you thinking? >> the fact of the matter s it's embarrassing, and i apologize. >> the top democrat watched the videa number of times ahead of e hearing. >> i swear to god, i looked at that video over and over again, and i swear i do ot see th redeeng vaue. >> bynd the video, he he has hesitated asking to eplain who authorized the spending of $4.1 # is million on one conference. >> i did not beco aware of the massive expense unil much later. i did not know what the expense was at the time of the

conference tat we wer paying. >> but finkanswered differently after it was revealed e signed a document with th cost on it before the conference. >> you sined off o a routein slip. u participated in meetings understanding the cost before the conference happened. are you here claiming no responsibility at this point? >> absolutely not, that's why i'm here. i was aware of the cost when we did -- the estimated cost of 4.3 when we did the briefing for the two deputy ommissiers. >> on the investigation in the targetservative group, cincinni irs employee told investigators app irs lawyer in washington, carter hull,oversaw her work and suggested questions to does, quote, was essentially a front person because i had no autonomy or no authority to agent on applications without carter's influence o input.

the agent said he was angry when lois lerner was sapegoating cincinnati, quot i was furious. it looked like lois lerner put it op us. she pledthe fifth in te hearing after trying to defend herself. the transcript and interviews ntradict the initial narrative targeting a couple gentsin cincinnati going rogue. lou? lou: thank you. meanwhile, attorney genral eric holder's role in the tareting of journalists in the leak investigations, the principle topic at a haring held by the senate appropriations subcommittee. the attorney generalforced to defend his department's abuse of the first amendment leading to an admission that changes ned to be made. fox news correspondent shannon breen with the report. >> i hope you agree the american

people deerve an attorney generalcomletely focused on the fir, impartial judgment of the law of justice and not stracted by controversies of his own making. reporter: eric holder took heat from both sides of the hill today, tough quson from senators as long as a new demand from house republicans that rehurricane to the hill on june 18th to testfy under oath, again, about his role in aggressive leak investigations into reporters' phone records and personal e-mails saying there's a onflict of what he told the hose judiciary committee and what they later learned. quote, we do ot believe the request you provided the committee ith the on the record explanation of the on the record testimony is extraordinary. we believe the committee and the american people deserve to hear from you directly. today, holder told senators that the justice department is taking a hard look at its policies regarding leak investigations and made this vow. >> the department has not prosecuted, and as long as i have t privilege of

receiverring as attorney general of the uted states will not prosecute any reporter for doing his or her job. reporter: critics say that's not the issue. they confied what's public knowledge, that fox's chief respondent was the reporter subjected to search warran based on allegations that he engaged in criminal activity. despite the fact that rosen has not been prosecuted, house chairman bob goodlatte says the decision to identify him as a potential criminal is the real issue. >> it has a very chilling effect on the frst amendment, and it's avery serious matter for the attorney general to say he was not aware of this when he approved that search warrant raises aditional questions as well. reporter: we've reached outto the justice department for an response to the request that holder appear on the 18t. so far, no word, but it's likely they'll subpoena holder if he clines, lou? lou: shannon, thank you.

joining us now for more n the national security agency's prism program and the collection of records from verizon customers, fox news digital poitics center steven hayes, fox news contributor, gentlen, thank you fobeg her. steven, beginning with you. this report, this excluesive report from the washington post, to be clear, we al knee about what was breaking across news, that was all day long. we knew seven years ago. usa today mongs -- amongst other news organizations talking about thecollection of met that daa. this story isdiffer dealing with interpret svice providers >> yeah, i think you're exactly right. it's a proper distinction to make, and in some ways, at least my first two reads of the stoory about this new prism program or this prism program that's been in existence, bu we a first learning about it, seems to b magnitudes of ordermore

signifant than the verizon story, that, as you said, we talk about all the ime because it appears to, if you read closely, ppears to ge into content rather than collecting and animal idahoing meta data. meta data is cold, and patterns emer when you go through it and analyze, but this is requiring sort of eye's on analysis of actual content of actual communications which we were not seeing. we were not listening into hese conversations in the case of verizon and the other providers. lou: cris? >> it's remarkable. all i can say about olitics is that it's always true that when it rains it pour. i've never seena president have asix month this heinous to start a second term. i can't imagi how it could get worsfor the president, butti said that yesterday. i said that when the verizon story came out, and now even

before the day it done,the next thing is out, a president who owes is election and re-election in large part to his stature as a civil libertarian, a guy who was able to rally the democratic base against george w. bush, doing stuff that tody prompted the new york new timeso say the administration lost all credibility. this is a disaster. lou: repeati wat chris just said, that' the "new york times" saying that this president has lost all edibility, and irony within ironies, it is, of course, google and facebook that were principle allies of this president in his re-election campaign. no, hs orignal campign to take the office, they have been political partnersnd are becoming increasingly intertwined in their political connectivity, if y will. let's turn, if i ay, to the internal reven service.

steve, ts is dissing to ri berches by the internal revenue service. it is disgusting to see official after official wether they are talking about the lavish spending, the utter corruption, the political corruption of the organizatn, te contemptible organizational cowardness of the management of the internal revenue service. now we know blaming 88 and 9 people, sten miller initially saying that the number was something like two had gone rogue in cincinnati. it just monstrous lie and disturbing reveation, one after the other. >> be clea about one thing. if thre were really just two rogue individuals, low level individuals operating ouof the cincinnati office responsible for this, would know their name, and tey would be in deep trouble, could be in jail now, and theey are not. it was not that. i think mr. fink today in testimony as depighted in --

depicted tonight may have gotten himself in hot water. he seems, to me, claiming he doesn't know how expensive the $4.1 expenditure was but it was pointed out to him he, in fact, signedan estimate of the cost that was $4.3 million, so either he knew about it or he didn't know about it, and as you say, lou, his is one i sort of a cascading series of %-we've gotten from irs officias and, frankly, members of the backup administration about this paicular scale. lou: ad now we have, chis, the president, if you will, closing ranks. the post, susan rice to the nation security adiser, not requiring confirmation. if i've ever seen a ore

rational security team, i can't imagine who it would b >> well, i do know that the chances of us bmbing syria has gone way up, a western intervention in syria's much more likely. this is a signal that the interventionist approach taken in libya is very likely now to be put forward in syria. there's a genocide there already, and samantha powers, that's her portfolio, her professional life talking about how the west in particular should use power to intervenn. shements -- she wants it, susan rice wants it, she's very hawkish on that stuff. we can expect to see more of that from this administration. >> my colleague did not want to use that word, i did, which is radical. [laughter] when yo have the tthings that

have bee written and said by samantha power, it is stupid that there's not an outcry as shy moves towards taking the post in the united nations. do yougree with that? >> she, at one point, argued for a policy of a u.s. me culpa around the world, and, frankly, i think we saw that in some ways in the president's earliest months. look, i'm no sure that we'll e the kind of dramatic tun that my colleague suggests. i think he has good gounds for suspecting me might, but i believe president obama is driving the train, and you'll he arguments from susan rise and power t take a more activist and more inteentionist role, but it seems he's made clear over four and a half yearshe wants to reduce the united stat' foot rint, not project our values in the way that we certainly did under george w. bush and arguab under bill clinton.

lou: we'll not even refer to chris, just uniformly refer to as our colleague. [laughter] thank you, yes -- gentlemen, appreciate it. much more on the white house scandal throughout this broadcast. president obama set to make his pivot to asia and the pacific. the man who led our pacific fleet, admiral james lyons, on the strategy and otential or success. a volatile sesion on wall stet, the dow, however, avoids theirst three-day losing streak this year. we're joined next by ubs chief we're joined next by ubs chief economist mori

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session. e do jones industrials up 80 points after about a 200 point swing. the s&p gaining 14 points, the nasdaq up 33. volume on the big board, 3.5 billion shares, about what it was yesterday. jobless claims down 11,000 last week to 346,000ahead of tomorrow's jobs report. gold ained $17. goldat almost 1416 an ounce. crude oil up a dollar settling at 94.76 a barrel. the ten year fell, and the next guest says talk from the fed is confusing and already ervous market joining us with the outlook for the markets on the econy is mori harris, chief u.s. economist or ubs investment research. that dog-gone fed, do you think they are trying to confuse us all? >> they want to keep us guessing in som republics because wt they are worried about is that when they stop doing the qe,

when they stop purchasing the securities and maybe start to sell them down the road, they are worried about a runup in rates, and what that fear is that as soon as they start to dial back the qe and diaback securities, all of us go out there and shot the bond market. their trick is to say, well, we can bow the qe down, but bow it back up again if we need to so that way we don't etrapolate. i think i can see their thinking, but it confuses people. lou: confusing people. th fed has to be smart ore than at least in appearances than it's been. there's no confidence. in he consion, there's no confidence in what in the world they are doing. are there capacity, irrespective of what that might be, to exete it? >> on their behalf, you could say they are dealing with somethingthat's complicated. having said that, they could

still doa better job of couning, and, yo know, it's a situation where you got fferent members with feedom of speech, say anything they nt. they need to work hrder on getting only [audience boos] -- on the same page. lou: we'll get that indcation tomorrow. i love it. the unemployment rate is now a benchmark for monetary policy. what do you expect that unemloyment rate to show in termsof jobs created and unemployment rate? >> well, i think we added about # -- 200,000 to the payrolls, and unemployment rat we think, fell to 7.4%. a lot of these fed people have said that if jobs were going to be around 200,000 a month consistently, then they would die back the qe. you know, innthe first four months of the year, you were almost there. jobs averaging 196,00 a month. lou: right. it was better times. i don't -- i -- as i look at the

market, i look at the ecnomy, i@ personally do not see anything that's changed my thining over the course of the laat 30-60 das. th may be me being obtuseand incapable of appreciating changed circumstances. what do you see as te most significant change that people should be focusing on as you look out through the remainder of the year? >> well, there was important cross roads here. hat looks good? the layos are down. that's important. what looks god? consumer confidence is up. what dosn't look good is that the manufacturing sector's tading water right now. i thin the reconciliation is going to be that the consumer cotinuing to be optimistic and spends more and manufacturing picks up, but what i had my eye op right n that disconnect between manufacturing, just treading water, and the consumers feeling just find

about things. lou: and the investor a this point should do what? >> think about the long run, and in the long run, the stocks out perform the bonds, maybe not next weekor an ex month, but over the next number of months and over the next couple of ars. lou: all righ, as always, great to have you here. good to see you. coming up tomorrow, the ama scandals, the constitutional crisis that they may portend. ann culter and andrew mccarthy among our guests tomorrow. president oba set face-to-face meetings with his chinese counterpart tomorrow, d admiral james lyons on whether or not th president will succeed in his pivot. tea party groups not the only ones targeted by the irs. family research council leading con sirvetive, tony perkins, on fortunate first time what the irs did to his organization.

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lou: as we learn about the national security agency and the fbi, tapping into the servers of nine leading u.s. internet companies, cybersecurity taking center at obama's china summit tomorrow as well as the territorial disputes in the south china sea among the issues that the two leaders will be discussing. admiral james lyons is the retired # commander of the u.s. pacific fleet, and we are delighted to have you with us and i've got to begin with why do you suppose this is all coming out now? we know about the nsa, mta data gathering. we did not know about operaton prism, but there's some reason tt this material is pushed out here right now. it does not look -- it's truly a strange piece of timng.

>> well, i think they see a certain weakness in this administration, and they are taking advantage of it. lou: they" being who? >> well, i think china. certainly, they with their policies in the south china sea, aggressive bullying tactics, their decaration of recognized international water, which comprises 2.6 million square miles, which we canot let stand. here is no compromise on that issue. i can tell you or allies are going ton watching how presint obama handles this delicate issue. lou: how do you expect them to handle it? we're talking about south korea, we're talking about, obviously, japan. we're talking about perspectively and potentially an immensely important ally in india. >> right.

well, what he hs to make clear is that the united states-and-a-half vie stod for freedom of navigation and the right of innocent pasge for over 236 years, and we're not about to change course now. he has to make it clear to the chinese president that if his hostilities break ot because of china's bullying tactics, we'll stand with our allies and meet our obligations uder our mutual defense treaty. lou: now, how significant is the threat posed by china's new development of anticarryier missis and other weapons how important is that in the balance of power in the regin? >> well, certainly, he needs to make it clear that i chinese built the nav to fight the united states navy. they didn't build antiballistic

missiles to go aainst the bang bangladesh navy. it's onsidered unfriendly act. in fact, through their actions one could posture we're starting a 21st entury cold war. lou: with the chinese? >> with the chinese, and if they have that in mind, we're prepared to meet that challenge and take on another communism totalitarian regime. lou: we have, developing as well, obviously, a countervailing commitment of force and energy and troops and trsure in themiddle est at a time the potenal threat rises really from russia and really from china. >> right. lou: to what degree can this administration make a pivot s it's styling the discussion with

the president of chie? -- china? >> sequestering is not helping the situation. we've been on disarmormen, which must stop. we have to make president obama live up to his promises where he, to get the treaty assigned th the strategic talks with russia, he promised to modernize forces and devop a new nuclear weapon. we need to hole them to that. lou: meanwhile, i think, most people watching and listening know that the russians have more warheads now than does the united states. admiral, thank you very uch for being with us. nice be here. lou: some anniversaries of note today. it was exctly 69 years ago today that 160,000 american,

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lou: breaking news. tropical storm andrea making land fall in florida's big bend

area as you see there. it's quite a stor the atest update showing the first named storm of the atntic season. winds are rising to 6 # 5 miles per hour. government forecasters now say andrea should weak after having made land fall. in what remains of the stor continues to move up the east coast,moving north tomorrow and saturday and the northeast will be feelng the results. turning back to the irsscandal, next guest says freedoms of religion, assembly, petitionat risk because of the growing powers and buses of the internal revenue svice. here to talk about as well what happened to his organization for the first time ever, tony pkins. he's going to be revealing for the fir time ever what happened. toe -- ty, i'm delighted to say, a frequent guest of the broadcast. >> good to see you. i did't know you do the weather. lou: i do whatever is news, and that is news.

that storm, as ewe saw that was quite -- is quite something. wegot a storm bewing as ell when christian organizations, evangelical organizatio like your own are, frankly, a rget of thinternal revenue service. tell us about what happened to you. >> it's widespread. you had organizations that were seeking tax exemption that were asked about the content of their prayers. we had organizations required to sign afts they would not protest outside of plan the parenthood clinics. you know, we, what we found since then, is people talked and said, hey, we had an audit, an investigation, and, you knw, we didn't talk prior to tis because we thought that was the way government did business. we had a compensation audit in the same time where we had to turn over hundredsand hundreds pages of paper, untold staff hours. it still has not been resolved. now, was that tageted scandal?

you know k i don't know that, but that's theproblem. lou: what is the irs allegation there? >> well, there's no allegation. they just come in and say we nt to audit you, ook how you compensate your employees. lou: right, and the question would be -- >> well, the question is, why do you want to look at it? see if you're in standards, paid everything youeed to pay and it's a fishing expedition. we got a clean bill of health because we do everything by the book, but thefact is why did they come after us? was it -- lou: how long ago did this begin? >> the same ttime frame, about 18-24 months ago. lou: still resolved? >> yeah, still working with attorneys to ttle it because they wanted us to pay mney and we're not going to. we did everything we need to do to comply with the law. was it - this goads back to the point about the scandals, lou. is the irs lost credbility it's line enron.

they are out there blowing ou money. they are targeting people, organizations, and tey lack credibility. it's timee do away with the irs. we totally reform our system of taxation. the -- lou: i'm hearing this fom, you know, not all you, ho e respect immensely, but dave kemp, the chairman of the ways and means committee, i think there's a great dang in you conservatives, and i'm independent conservative, and you conservatives conflating the issues here. e tax code and the corruption of the internal revenue service, conflating the abue of power with a tax code that is monstrosity. this is political corruption it's insinuation into our federal government. it's not only, obviously, and importantly in the internal revenue svice, but it extends to the justice department, our state department. >> there's n department within is administration that has not en touched by ascandal.

here's the point, we have a system that's so masseso con convoluted that it -- lou: has nothingo do with this president, in all likelihood, leave him out of it until it's there. his political arm is nowbeing represented by the interim revenue service when it goes after you, after conservate groups, and evangelical groups. >> there's two issues. lou: definitely two issues, and th important issue is to rip corruption from the government wherever we find it and not get distracted from the course. >> there's a two-sp process. one is to srt out the information, see who committed the crme and psecute them to the fullest extent of the law, but we have to fix it so it's not used again by another corrupt administration. lou: you know how long we heard this, not used again, and there's deflction and distraction. >> i know, back to nixon.

lou: here we are again wi a presidency now engulfed in scandal, it's an administration corrupted beyond any imaginings, just a year ago. what we have now is a prolem to solve, and it cant be doe in half measures. >> no, no, you'reright. there's a dager here. ifwe do not address the criminal activities, what we d is we allow the moral boundary of what's acceptable to be moved, an we undermine ur very- our own system of government if we don't address these things. lou: you knw, one of the things that occurs to me, i never saw the republican arty, conservative movemenmore divided than it is right now at a time when th family research council, when all conservative groups should be coming together and working together. you're desperate, split, divided, and i know you're going to say, no, it's just fine. >> i wouldn't say that. lou: the reality is this is a

e cause that either you conservatives sand up for and resolve in support of our congressman who and senators who have the guts and courage to get it done. it's an assault op the country in my opinion. >> there's more happening than you see on the surface. there is unity under the -- undertanding what's at stake here, that you've got the -- lou: talking about action. >> it's happening, it's happening. lou: what's happening? because that's the news here. because no one knows that there's anything happening outside what we see in th halls of congress, and we'reroud and happy that shall be's taking care. >> first off, the information is -- folks are coming forward to say what happened to the organizations collected, but there's other scandals -- lou: okay, okay. we have to ave itthere, tony. it's always great to have you with us. >> all right, lo. lou: go to loudobbs.com, tweet

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♪ lou: our next guest created a name for himself by making the toughest callson wall street. her latest prediction describes how economic power is shifting from long time coastal strongholds like new jersey and california towards more fiscally attractive states, more inward bound, texas and indiana. joing us now, author of "fate of the states: new geography of americanprosperity." great to have you here p on the phone: honor to be here. >> cogratulations on your knew

book, i recommend it highly, online, in bookstores importannly, and we have a connection to it on loudobbs.com as well. make all transactions you want to. the idea that we're seeing a tion where along our east and west coast bcoming so hs regulated, such massive taxes that it's going to become a disincentive for folks and spell prosperity for the mddle of the country. how soon? >> well, i'll tell you the bidses are moving now. the businesses have been in the process of moving, and it'l take longer, the people are starting to follow because all people want in this country and pretty much eerywhere is an opportunity to ea a better life. they talk about why is there not job creation? it's a big deal for tomorrow. there is job creation. the half a million jobs created in this central corridor since the credit crisis.

the old school eonomic theory of,oh, the coasts are going to lead the economy forward is not working anymore. lou: it's not working. the taxes are rising. we're looking at demograph shifts as well that are going to be very, very important. you predict the smart money, the business, the wealthy folks will be relocating. you know, i think some interior states like illinois, i mean, that's got to get some folks -- smart money a lot of pause. >> well, no one ges to ilinois because they raise the the taxes by two-thirds. it's difficult to get anything done, ad if you're smart, nd, you know, you understand that the liabilities that you take on asa taxpayer, meaning that they are going to lean on you for more and more tax dollars if you move to illinois is pretty threatening because what happens is not onlydo your taxes go up, but when the states are eally in bad shape, money for other things, important things like education, roads, public safety, that goes away.

people are paying more and getting less for their money, and tre's no money to retrain ople. up employme stays structurally high. lou: unemployment iss chronic. it s without question now, structural, without policy response, without a leadership response. >> wthout policy response. amazing; right? all talk, no action. lou: and we're a nation dependent upon growth, but there's no discussion about when does prosperity return to the country. that's in the market, not simply in isolated areas. is it dependent on a new set of leaders, both in business and in washington? so here's the really cool thing. you're already seeing it in these state so 2008-20 #11, the last dta available, states like texas grw 8 #%. states like louisiana grew 16

pakistan, and states like north dakota grew 26%. you know, statings like california grew 3 #% in that time, half the nationalaverage, and states like florida, arizona, and neva grew less than that. it's really hapening here. yo know, if states that are not doing the right thing, california, new jersey, illinois don't wake up and pay attention, they will be way behind the game. it's dangerous. you know, it's sad that the states that need the change the most are the most resis tnt to the change. lou: re banks back? >> i think banks are going to -- are also in structural transition. lou: all right. oh, i like that, structural transition. we thank you very much. >> thank you o much. lou: we recommend your book, which is called "fate of the states" on sale on line and in bookstores now or loudobb south china south china sea -- loudobbs.com for the book.

thank you for joining us. andrew mccary a guest tomorrow. be with us. thyou for joini us to be the. we'll see you tomorrow. good night from new york.

neil: what the hell is going on? the nsa is tapping our phoand vr dleghting our phone records, and verizon, again, is letting them? forget about whether we are losing criminal. the more stuff like this happes, you know, we could be losing our country. weird, just weird. riddle me this. how can you tell if your phone is tapped? you can't. they are so good at it you wouldn't have the vaguestclue they are doing it, same goes for what is more likely the case here, someone getting your phone records. if verizon hands them over to the government, how would you know? well, you wouldn't. it's already happened. ibet you didn't know, did you? whether they