neil: what the hell is going on? the nsa is tapping our phoand vr dleghting our phone records, and verizon, again, is letting them? forget about whether we are losing criminal. the more stuff like this happes, you know, we could be losing our country. weird, just weird. riddle me this. how can you tell if your phone is tapped? you can't. they are so good at it you wouldn't have the vaguestclue they are doing it, same goes for what is more likely the case here, someone getting your phone records. if verizon hands them over to the government, how would you know? well, you wouldn't. it's already happened. ibet you didn't know, did you? whether they are just listening

in or aving a phone company cough them up, it doesn't either get a little med up here? does me. the latest repor that the nsa got verizon to serve up phone records on millions of people, millions, has me wondering not who is spied and, butthink about how big it s getting and how big the lies are getting to explain how big it's getting. we went from the irs targetin what it first said were a few conservative groups to then zens, and then hundreds. it was over the course of the year, and it was not just conservative groups, but donors to the groups whose names were leaked to the press by unname roguagents to discover there were more than a couple agents, more like at least 88 of the doing stuff like this. there's the stuff at the justice department, going after what we

were told were a few reporters andtheir records and on ad on. the attorney geeral had no idea. then, oh, yeah, he had an idea. well, news he orchtrated the entire idea. they hit up private companies to promote the law only to discover it was more than just a few companies. you can't make it up. it just keeps going up and up and up making me wonder howigh up? if it's not coordinated, it looks like a pattern politically targeting bureaucrats using the full weight and power of government to spy on people and make it against the constitution that protcts us, people. we don't have to be less than right know this is wrong an private companies doing your bidding? scary to think richard nixon got in football -- for an enemy's list number in the hundreds, ad these go after

groups, phoe records and individuals that number, what, in the millions? for the love of god, where does it stop? we're past the time where we have to scream together, stop. i didn't shout it. a guy shouting it before nip else, ron paul, said this is the risk problem with big government. congressman, what do you think of the now littest revelations? >> well, i don't think they are brd new. i assume this has been going on, you know, in 2006, it was nnounced they were doing p. neil: absolutely. we have to stress this part the patriot act that allowed this to be done was something senator obama posed, but go ahead. >> caller: oh, yeah. of course, there were a few back in the beginning of the decade, last decade, an we trieded to point this out, but, no, i think it's been ongoing so it's great when news brraks so people find out about it and get annoyed about it, but the only benefit i see that comes from this is that

people get disgusted with big government. of cours you know that's been my goal to convince people they don't need big government to run a nanny state to take care of us because they give us perfect economic safety and security in equity and always perfect safety, but they only do that with the destruction of liberty. neil: urn the guys tht protect you. in other words, the phone records ey gathered, 110 million plus americans, it was just the phone records, maybe precaution coming as it did in april of this year after the boston bombings that maybe there's a threat these records could be destroyed so we want them handy, no one's calls monitored, the numbers of who you calledded, when you called, and how long you were on the call, so that's it. calm down, america. >> caller: yeah, and, you know, even now after this story breaksi still hear commentators on tv and radio say, well, we want to be safe, and that's the government's job. the government's job is not

that. neil: you watching msnbc again, congssman? >> caller: maybe it was on the interpret. i won't fess up. neil: you're right. we do a lot of whacky things. what do we do now? >> caller: well, what we have to do is get the american people, again to believe in self-reliance, lied government, believe in the constitution, get an understanding of what thefourth amendment says and get people with backbone. it's coming because wht w're witnesses now is the failure of the state, the failure of the government, the failure of the fed, the economic system is in shambles, our foreign policy in shambles, and this always leads to the undermining of civl liberties in war for perpetual peace with the sacrifice of personal liberty. it's a death struggle for the republic, and hopefully -- neil: to be fair, you were on this before anyone, but tel you

what, when the defense or those willingly on unknowingly ppetrated this, that speaks to your big government too unwieldy to deal with. >> caller: oh, i know where the contest is, but where i was encouraged, you know, i ran in 2008 and 2012, and in 2008, i condemned the patriot agent. it would et the lodest applause on college campuses. a een like berkeley, so i work unr on the assumption you don't have to convert, 51% of the people, you need leadership that lead the way and get pople to come along in the right direction. mostly, people are following leadership, but they are taught bad economics, ad foreign policy, ty are complacent, materialistic thinking wealth lasts forever, the fed takes care of us, debt works, and printing money solves the problems. that's ending. neil: abolutely. >> caller: i'm delighted to see this because with this along

with the irs, let me tell you, there's a lot of people coming our way on being rather annoyed by this intrusive government. neil: i admire your backbone then and really now. dead on target. thank you. >> caller: thank you. neil: is it me, but as a verizon customer, should i be ticked or furious tht they now have my records and my phon cal to all the duncan donuts? do i sue in legal eagle says, go ahead, but i guess i'd have a tough time; right? >> until that evidence that the phone records are used against you. it's called standing. you can't go into court unless you ar hurt or damaged, and say, yourhonor, because the government took my phone records, this is what happened to me. neil: is there a difference? we still -- this was done under court order, well told.

what if it was not and what if a company, after boston, ent down in boston, you're trying to go get a data base, get a government, and cross reference it and find a network of potential bad guys, so you're verizon; right? do you need a court order to give it over becuse it's a national security issue and national security threat? >> well, the national security, they are creating their own subpoena under the patriot agent. neil: you remember the fact they had legal action that took here toet the records? >> i don't know -- i don't think they had to o to a judge. neil: in other words, they walk up toverizon, hand it over. >> nder te patriot act. it was a knee jerk -- neil: i read the heelth care law, don't put too much o me. >> if you read the patriot act, a knee-jerk reaction to 9/11, and i'm not saying it was not necessary then, but the way it excisions now, you can get a federal subpoena, and you're not allowed to -- as an individual,

you can't tell anyone about it, -t's a secret other than from your lawyer. neil: that's the protection alone that you as a customer, and, by the way, verizon was one, but there could be others. >> his will be challenged hen this evidence is usedsomehow against someone to hurt someone in some way, shape, or form. right now, i can't just, tomorrow, go in and file a lawsuit i'm a verizon customer. neil: i dot know ho is telling the truth here because if hey sai here, you know, started out with few groups targeted, and no individua, and a lot of individuals, and now the phone records, take a chill pll. >> it's been going on for a long time. they'll kkeel all right, who is to say, what's to say they don't have and have not expanded their wiretapping campaign? i don't believe nip. >> it's fundamental fourth amendment principles; right? it's 200 years ago. you -- it's privacy to protect th innocent, that's what the fourth amendment is for, to protect the inocent. the way they act by the all of

the phones in the news room of the associated pres, by all of the people who a applying for nonprofofit status, by all the verizon customers, it's a direct violati of the spirit, the purpose of the fourth amendment. neil: i can't do aything as a customer. >> not unil you're hurt and damagedded. neil: what f i'm exposed, damaged, i was told i'm on a diet. >> say they find out and penalizes you, now you are damaged. you possibly you have the standing to go into a courtroom, but before anything negative happens to you, you just can't say that it happened. they allow peop to the dna swabs of heir mouth now. until they use that in court, they were not allowed to go into court. now they are in court. neil: if it's hard to sue the company doing the government's bidding, i would imagine it's next to imssible to sue the government. >> that's who you would be suing. neil: that would be the irs

ongoing after conservative groups? th would be justice department if i'm a reprter and i've been maligned, you know >> you do more than sue. you tell the judge whatever evidence they have against me, they can't use it because this was illegal. they obtained this evidence in an illegal manner so i should not be hurt in any way, shape, or form. neil: no law to protect me? you lawyers are brilliant, but there's not an icky law? >> no. the thing you literally learn in the first year of law school is called standing. even though something bad is happening, until you get hurt by it, real quick, people are hit by a car, dahl me, i'm in a car accident, i want to sue. where were you hurt? i didn't get hurt: i'm fine. why are we suing? in other words, what do you want to get money for? how did you get hurt? okay, yes, it was his fault, liability is clear. here it's verizon's fault or the government's fault. i don't know who is atfault for turning over the records, but -- okay, now we got over that

hurdle. whatthe damage? how were you hurt? well, nothing, they know i called for a lot of pizza. did you get in trouble for work for it? no. sorry, you can't come to out. only come to court if you were hurt, or if they charge yo with a crime because of it, now you can say, hey, they should not have beening at my phone records. neil: you can keep doing this, the government, with little fear that here's ny punishment. >> wee supposed to be the fear. the citizens are to be in touch with the congressman saying change p. >> the irs can apologize tous. if the irs, you know, goes after me, and i apologize to them, i can't get back to you right away, i'm screwed, they go on? >> that's big government. we're getting bigge and bigger nd bigger under both ides of the ail. neil: that's right. it's happning left and right. all right. i have no idea. it's an iris. >> confused. neil: thank you, buddy. good stuff. you heled me understand this,

which means i should b ticked off by this. worried about china hacking on us; right? frankly, to argue the., i'm worried about us hacking us. no matter, we are trying t get tough on beijing. why isn't china worried? because they know our bark, and they have never, ever remotely seen our bite. to the fomer cyber czar says that bites. i'll ask mitt whether all the scandalsbrewing no make it think but could have been m. he's the special guest here and only here tomorrow. only here tomorrow. ♪ you hurt my feelings, todd. i did? when visa signature asked everybody what upgraded experiences rely mattered... you suggested luxury car service instd of "strength training with patrick willis."

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neil: you know, i wonder if they namedthe antibill today, probably to soon to, but maybe they should call it we're really serious and not going to put up with your crap anymore, china,

and how, good luck. the latest efort to punsh overseas hckers is admirable, to think the presidentwould sin, shall w say, doubtful? even as it was marked up, china was doubling down. reports of more hacking incidents involving the most advced computer companies to supposedly spersecret and super safe defense contracrs. the former white house cyber -zar, howard schmidt. what's the goal to reign this activity, or nip else? what ca thewhite house -- what can anyone do? >> well, there's a couple things. one, this has been going on for a long tim and it's bee on sort of the back room discussions, very few companies have come forward to talk about it. google was the first one back in 2010. we saw companies complaining privately they are intruded upon, ata, their intellectual property is stolen, but they don't want to make a stink

because they want business in china. they don't want to make the world difficult. congress says, okay, what we'll do is go out and create a new statute that says if you d this against the united states, you don't have to rise to the level of normal criminal evidence that, you know, we look for law enforcement things, but have a level of accountabilityou had not before, and, importantly, is if it states whether it' state sponsored or not. the country you are in has to take action against you. the problem is it's almost inpossible to enforce. neil: what toy -- they do in europe is slap trades on it, and we do that, but they can come back to you, the chinese, and slap tarif, and it's a trade war, and historically, that does not end up good. still, our options appear limited, and we, in this country, eems to be on particular defense of the guards of china because we are afraid they go elsewhere and not fund our debt. what do we do then short of that? >> well, that's the problem tht

we've had because, like i said, this should not have reached the level where it's a crisis now. there's the sort of what they call track two disussions going on, mid level bureaucrats on both sides giving speeches about it, but, clearly, this is an issue where it's got to be separated from a lot of the other chia, u.s. relationship issues. doesn't talk much about the issue about, you know, the u.s. presence in asia, doesn't talk about the rel valuation, and this is an issue that stands alone on its own. we have to make them undehere af the road, even with cyber spionage. countries do that forever and forever they'll continue. that won't stop. when the theft of intelligence chewable property, then turned over to their nation's companies to compe against others in the world that that's out of bous. the next thing they have to is really understand hat they really would b better off from an economic perspective and a public perspective globally if they're inside the tent and not

outside. they don't seem to cch that for somerepublican, and we need to make sure that we make them understand you got to be inside. neil: i thinkchina has a case they don't care. we're rich, growing fast, the world is the oyster, blah, blah, blah. other ideas are banty about like, well, if they play dirty, we play back. if they hack s, we hack back. we hack them. we're pretty goodat that if we wanted to be, but we don't consider hatecause we're america, we don't do that. we just hack our own citizens, we don't go to other companies. you know what i mean? do you think that sometimes the only way to play with someone, you now, throwing you darts is to throw darts back? >> you know, if if i it was jusa u.s.-china thing, that would be an issue, but right now, looking at other nations saying, well, gee, everybody's out there hacking. i've seen cases in the past where u get on a system that's been compromised, data's moved from cmpanies all around the world, governments all around

the world, and so it's like a dirty pool. your really don't know who's in there. is it an intelligence agency from another country? a group of hackers? a group of activists? it's a consequence looking at us against them. it's much brooder than hat. they are the noiiest and the ones w worry about most because we have more intellectual property to lose than anybody else does. neil: well put. howard, thank yu very much for joining us. >> good talking with you, neil. neil: 16,000 new irs agents working on health care, and that's just the tip of the ice pack. the government with another hiring binge that just could make you cringe.

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♪ neil: well, the health care law is creating jobs. that is the good nudes. now, here's the bad news. getting the jobs are the people trying to figure out the health care law. not all of them, but a good

number of them. hiring temperatures of thousands of what they call navigators about people fluent in foreign los angeless like vietnamese so they can, i guess, figure out a measure we can't comprehend in english. anyway, i any language, it's a mess. gretchen, what do you think of this? >> well, you know, i think it's app unfortunate seeing the government do what they do best, spend a lot of money and keep on growing and create a government that doesn't know what the other hand is doing, and here w see this massive health care law's needing several of thousands of people to be implemented, and peoplewho have to understand what this bill is all about when the people who even voted for it and signed it into law don't know wha it's about. neil: they wre short on cash to the point that they, that is, the health and human services secretary, hit upcompanies over whichshe would be having direct control to fund it.

>> yeah, back to the argument, i love job creatin, who doesn't? it's public sector job creation. who pays the public employees? we do. neil: you can use the argument that they -- the moneyhey got, they spend on stuff and helps everybody. >> but how are we creating the ycck? we are raising taxes, deficit spending. california hired 20,000 public workers. california's doomed as a state. this is just a bad precedent, and it's like what was said, one end of government not knowing at the other enis doing, reminding me of thomas, the book, you know, the big government monster, and that is what this is. >> that's verizon, but that might be right. >> 50 shades of government. neil: you know, i was looking at this trying to think with the health care and latest issue on jobs, and now there's the irs stuff and the agents that, however many, led to that, re going to be, you know, hell to

pay, and this isthe same organization that ll be overseeing this thing. not a great confidence booster. >> well, you know, the first thing to acknowledge is 30 million people are going to et health care coverage who don't have it now. neil: you've seen that the two out of three of them are debating whether they should get it. >> right. i think -- neil: look at the folks who we through the trouble. they might not want it. >> they don't have it yet. how do they know? >> a lot have it. neil: if hey say, all right, this great man that from help coming our way, saying, yeah, we might, we might not, it's, like, hey! >>you know, i think, you know, to adm's point earlier, i think that california, by the way has their finances under contro but, sure, 20,000 jobs needed as far as that's concerned, but doctors are needed, nurses needed, and, you kno, we ned x-ray technicians. neil: who hires them? >> prate companies, hospitals, clinics. >> by the way, physicians are

opting out of the medical field. >> they are. >> because of the insurance liabilities and because of the bureaucracy they would rather not deal with, so, you know, in terms of doctors and so forth, things, water down and what's hired are bureaucrats and people to explain something that i don't understand, you don't understandings and you help me understand, but ost of us don't understand. >> i think people understand their current health insurance coverage. neil: what they didn't uerstand, andgretchen, with you, they thought they could keep their coverage, and the president sworn on a stack of bibles to keep coverage. he was to the letter right, but he left out, you keep the coverage, but you pay through the nnse, and unions discovered with their ow cadillac plans they, o, are subject to this, you know, high alth care coverage tax saying, wat a minute. that's not what we signed up for. that's going op in the country. it's a great wait a minute moment. >> it is a great wait a minute

moment. this administration promised a great deal on a number o different issues, and when it comes to health care, they are failing to meet its promises saying you can keep the plan. no, you can't keep your plan. look, there's a jobs report coming out tomorrow. most economists are already talking about how the health care law is ing to be a drag on the ecnomy, and it's going to be a drag on the jobs numbers. neil: we don't know yet. we don't know yet. >> ortheast are predicting it. >> you know, i have to be honest. my preference when this was done was hr676, medical care for all, something that everybody's already familiar with, there's no mystery toit. everybody's in favor, most are in favor of medire, and it would simp fie things. il: we didn't get that. the government wail. >> states have the option to go for medicare, and other universa health care things under this current. neil: all right, we'll get you backbut this makes me sick. >> i agree.

neil: we shall see. hope springs eternal, you know, you might be right. we'll see. mr. president, i know you now ignore fox news and fox business, but listen up, someone you never planned on creating a fuss is sick of you. remember al? he's not a pal. whengore goes full-bore. telling you, white house, this is war. ♪ [ male announcer ] if you suffer from a dry mouth then you'll know how uncomfortable it can be. [ crickets chirping ] but did you know that t lack of saliva can also lead to tooth decay and badreath? [ exhales deeply ] [ male announcer ] well there is biotene. specially formulated with moisturizers and lubricants, biotene can provide soothing relief and it helps keep your mouth healthy, too. [ applause ] biotene -- for people who suffer from dry mouth.

neil: all right, don't look now but more global warms is so hot under the collar. not at folks who dismiss this climate change stuff, but atlanta white house i think that al gore told to get stuffed. it is true. anyway to political money rainmaker noel on how bad they are for president, when captain climate change goes solar on the president. >> a big deal. to tho viewers that are big al gore fans, i am sorry, buu what he says and tweets is irrelevant. neil: you can help me here. we're doing a segment on it. but continue. i know what you are sayg. >> i'm trying to get at, what a time for him to pick bad at admiministration, and to be

mr. patriot when h sold tv to aljazeera. neil: that is an excellent point, i didn't think of that going into the segment. more democrats angry about the fo drag of released documents, this is getting tt be a bipartisan rip. >> why do you think that obama came out to a huge pressure, the day before yesteay, about the three court of appeals p peoplee is trying to get 3, and that republicans are trying to get through, and vacancies have been there forever. neil: i think it falls to deaf ears. >> i think he is trying to spin smog, the hori horrible g.o.p. when white house has the cluster bombs going on. neil: even if you are the

president, argue he has -y is in all of the above, it says sobody somebody about his detachedetached leadership styl. >> you have the ceo of america, saying, not on my watch, i didn't do? so what did you do. neil: one thing i remember about ken lay and enron, he has since paased away. he was mr. hands on. and then, at scandal escalated he became mr. magoo. i love that character, but you go from hands on to handsoff, th is where this white house is. >> mr.agoo had charlie. neil true. >> he blamed it on charlie. i think that obama is looking for his charlie. neil: charlie works for the irs, one of those rogue agents.

you are t president, you lost ale gore, that -- al gore, you could say that s not a big dial, you say that this festerser does not fester? hurts or not? >> number o republican party has a brands problem. i think that -- >> they can't brand it on just brands "the other guys" all of, right? >> no. i think what is wrong, democrats are now faced with their own brandsroblem, if the g.o.p. sits tight, does nothing, i think that will surface back to where we'll be party of choice by democrats. >> who is your nominee? >> 2016? neil: no for 2008. >> neil, someo that can appeal to moderate. neil: who, who? >> i kw you want me to say chris christie. neil: do you have an attitude coming in? >> no, i get viral tweets.

neil: you are your own woman, you stick to your guns, who'll be the nominee. >> i think it will be rand paul. neil: really? >> i do. there is movement with rand paul. neil: you know, y put my segment down and you put me down, you aretill a wonderful gift, i love you dearly, she is the best at what she does which is humiliating the hoist of the show. noel thank you. -i'm kidding. >> these are victoria secret models, what if i told you they save america, why somebody they are doing, makes me scandal

neil: victoria sales secret, chrysler recall secret, and president's scandal killer

secret, jonathan hoenig. here to blitz, same-store sales at victoria secret company jumping 3% last quarter, those sales, muc stronger than folks thought. a sign tt maybe, maybe, the skin is in? >> well for companies like the limited, is -- >> did you know it is now cled l-brand. >> it is, it is victoria secret, they own and define this sexy feminist phase right now, the stock has gone up, consumers out there and brands like tiffany, and victoria that are getting done the sky is the limit. neil: what do you make? >> true. not only that, they have gotten

to a sector of personal care, and lingerie, that is higher margin. they are really making nice money, and also, another thing is that they always paid above average dividends, would you believe it since 2010, 3 years almost $11 on dividend, you know, it is a great company a eat stock. neil: all right we'll continue to play that video through the next two issues. issue two. you say 3 million we say hicks00,000, chrysler recalls -- we say 600 hil 600 million vehi. jonathan what did chrysr, what happens? >> this is called beg responsible, memo out of washinon. neil: but while it is on the assembly line! before i give you $ 30,000 of my money. >> they want to fix it now,

because you know, they are concerned about not only your money but your welfare. neil: i am sorry to jump on y. you deserve better. >> thank y. neil: back to victoria sret - >> the car companies they remember back, samurai in 1990s they know if they don't address the safety problem quick the brand will get destroyed. it goes against that business person whohe fraudster what would sell car that does not york. work. neil: absolutely. john: not to make light of safety issue but regulatory ise has a lot to do with it, they stringent up requements and hefty finds. neil: all right, maybe they put that model in the aforemantioned vehicles. another story. a good jobs report, but will

best economy news shift american's attention from the spying on them news? >> there is no doubt, at the end of the day, we care about our tum mortummy more than the pres. president clinton put theory on test, open care more about the economy than scand, he used the it's the economy stupid to get reelected. andt has proven to us we care about the economy more than about the scandal. neil: and woman. >> you know, white house is full of scandals these days, irs, and ap, and verizon, but i till you so-called jobs recovery is more of a sndal from 1948 to 2008, country 11 presidents had 39 months of unemployment above 8%, obama 64 months in his presidency alone. no matter the number tomorrow it

is a scandal how anemic job recovery has been under president obama. >> no doubt about that it wil take 15 more years to get back to normal employment of 4% it is ridiculous. neil: understood. i want to thk you guys, and thank you to my control room and staff for keeping -- keeping abreast of these developments. this was just childish, i am a ground man, why do i do this? because it isable. remember, any of you mrs. crabtree? she loved to spy on samantha in "bewitched." if only she had a drone. if you got the dough, no need to pity you, have dollars have drone. go on? no, you go on. you hurt my feelings todd.

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neil: okay so what is uav? >> unmanned aerial vehicl neil: they are that size? >> they are this size. they are gps satellite guided, married to carry a go pro camera or similar action sport camera, comes in the box all that you need, they are ready to go, it takes about 5 minutes to put together. neil: what is in them? >> this does notome with a camera, it comes with a bracket for a go pro. >> i got it. >> we're getting ready to release stabilized camera head for go pros, if youment nice looking aerials, camera stays stable. neil: if i want to spy onny neighbor, not that -- on my neighbor, not that i would, what would i do? >> you use a different

tranitter, i see the image from the camera, we don't -- we're not proponents of using any tools whether a zoom lens or a drone for invading privacy. neil: do i have to control the remote? can it hover like the actual dres? >> sure, well, you know, faa for hobby use wts people to be controlling the drone at all-times, we don't allow it to do fully autonomous missions. only time if you lose signal from your transmitter, or the battery run out itemembers where it took off it willly itself home satellite guided and land where it took off. neil: there is a control on that, to let it hover? >> well, you just center all of the sticks, telng it don't go

anywhere. it the fight a 20-mile an hour wind. neil: i like the way you don't say hover over your neibor's house. now, this is -- >> well you know there a about 15 things that would work better for spying on your neighbor you can buy at apple store. >> what would -- i understand ththat. what would i buy this for and. >> to take aerial photos, and video of -- >> what? >> anything. of your property, of a range, a beach, near in hawaii look at dji phantom of youtube, you see hundreds of people having fun with these. neil: who are your customers, this i fascinating. >> photographers, presumer and consumer. neil: has the irs called y? or anyone in jusce to borrow these. >> no they have not yet. we're selling them at amazon,

and photo and video, a lot of camera shops, we have hundreds of dealers but it is camera enthusiasts. neil: i am kidding with you on a couple tngs, but in this environmentf privacy invasions, wow imagine that would help. people would like to spy back? >> you know, like i said we have worked with the legislation here in texas on putting in laws in ple that would prevent you from u using these types of devices for invading privacy or with intent to surveil. we wrap our arms around the 4 amendment. neil: and you should. i could park this over the irs? >> for about 8 minutes at a time, with a camera payload you

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has no definition of privacy, they took our records, they have our records, have to just wonder, where is then candidate obama, then senator obama who had a passion for making sure that government was transparent, and not getti in our way, and out of our life. we see every day it seems like government is doing more and mo in our lives, and our privacy is less and less, really privacy. >> you know. republican president cam up with patriot act, and pushed in name of protecting us, a policy that would call for now and then well, spying on us. >> and a democratic president that began spying on the american people. neil: i don't think it began with ts president. >> no -- let's be clear. this is not a republican democrat issue. >> what happened was, one can

argue, a lot of republicans were out spoken against the patriot act. neil: for this very reason. i want to know whether it is officially out of control. to gretchen's point there is enough blame to go around here. >> i am gratified to see across polical spectm concern about this stuff. tuallyelieve it or not, my opinion is, slightly better than it was a few years ago. we had warrant list wiretapping and seizing of recor. >> i love you, but we have an irs going after groups and individuals, a justice department going after reporters, you say things are getting better. >> in tere perms -- terms of ivacy. neil: that is aifference?

>> i'm not saying i love it. it is better. neil: that is better? thats showing up at pearl harbor on december 8, saying it could have been worse. >> actually it could have been worse. >> this is a indefensible situation we have here. neil if you dial it back, alternative to compromise our curity >> let's talk anywhere the irs fits into our security. i am for you know targeting wt we think would bead guys, but what irs did, and the verizon phone records. iould be hard pressed t argue all those phone records come from people who pose imminent national security threats. neil: over a hundred million americans, but part of a big ter bigger picture to me is risk you have a

government that means well, and runs amuck and out of control, one common theme this spills over with agencies leveraging off their power, that is that, too big, too powerful. >> yeah, look at holder signing an affidavit he does not remember signing? neil: he might have forgotten, oh, i will spy on james rosen. >> but that is a big step. neil: james rosen is a common name. >> you know, do something that government has never done before, you just forget you signed it? but think about this, ty will have our healthcare records, you think about privacy and who we are calalliig,hink about our heth care recorrs. neil: you think this is be aneurysms thank you to go -- impetus to go slow and stop. you steve you say we're mixing

signals. >> in holder's defense this means something to prosecutors, he was investigates not prosecuting. >> please, he has no defense. there is no -- >> that is a big difference. >> such liabilitiy for dodge. obama administration. neil: do you think that james rosen is bter off now had this n come to light, i think his fannie would be fried. >> i don't think it is better or worse for him. i think -- but i think -- >> you sound like this is what the meaning of the word is, is. >> this is a indefensible act that eric holder did. neil: we don't know. >> we don't know. neil: we don't know. we don'tnow! i wishe had more time, i know tomrow, i know i willsk mitt romney about this on friday, tomorrow. only guy you c find on fox,

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