is embroiled in a scandal. >> l right. that is it for "forbes on fox." thank you for watching. ep it here, number onebusiness h eric bolling and "cashin' in." ♪ >> they finally got it. i'm so proud. they are ready for anaheim. [ applause ] >> yep, livingit up amid the crackdown. i.r.s. employeeses dancing the night away. and showing silly ar trek videos at a victim junct, all the while tax officials target conservative group. we know how much it cost all taxpayers. you won'te dancing with joy. the government is dialing up more controversy. this time unclal sam getting info from major internet companies. microsoft, yahoo, goggle, faboo apple. oh, and they are seizing your phone records, too. is your personal information at risk? "cashin' in" demanding answers

right now. ♪ >> eric: welcome, everybody. the i.r.s. hits keep coming. now we find out that the agency is dropping $million of your tax dollars on the conference at a swanky hotel in 2010. junket with the "star trek" skit and infa mouse line dancing. itall went down the same time that i.r.s. began targeting conservativ groups. get this. they were learning how to be open and transparent with taxpayers. >> eric, i mean they are going after the tea party groups that want to cut down on government spending. the same time they are spening $4 million on a conferencconference? $3,000 for presidential suite. i'm a successful guy an i

never spe $3,000 on hotel room. it's part of a trend. the g.s.a. with their lavish spending the clow and mind reader a couple year ago or the v.a. they treat the money like it's not theirs because it's not. it's not just inexplainable, it's inexcusable. >> eric: yes. it's inexcusable. to spend taxpayer money privously, arrogantly like that. but at the same time they were targeting cop servive groups. what does that tell you? >> well, itells me a lot of things. first, it tells yo that the more fundamental problem the government is out of control. e's gotp so big that nobody knows what is going on. i'm not sure they kne themselves. the increased gran diazment of power is in the bureaucracy, one element of the government has no idea of what other element of the gernment is doing. agencies are out of control. they feel entitled. they think tha they are th people working for them. as opposed to them working for

us. that is the problem. >> right. austin, where are the checks and balances on stuff like this? the conferences? $50 million between 2010 and 2012. there must be some oversight. >> y kno i think there is. but i thought that, i thought wayne's point is rit. you got to have some oversight dispalestinian odiscipline or tl happen. this is similar in a big company, of people who start abusing expense reports or that kind of thing. the budget of the 50 or the $40 million was for 220 differnt conferences. i thought to the extent the i.r.s. h conferences where the people are coming in and actually helping them do the job in a less burdensome way. >> eric: i hate to cut you off. it was $50 million. 220onferences. they are line dancing and doing stupid star trek videos. this is one agency, one group that can bring every american

to the knees when you get a phone call from these peopl i think they have more respoibility to the taxpayer >> look, i 100% agree with that. what i amaying i this conference in anaheim with the $3,000 psidential suite, me that is the more egreous example than the fact they ran 220 differe conferences. >> right. to add to your point, t more egregious point is the money was set aside to hire mre enforcement officials. to hire more people. and instead they kind of made a little entry, accounting entry and moved the money over to their party budget. and had a big old conrence instead. it hurts us double as taxpays. one they shouldn't be wasting our money. two, mon that was supposed be set aside for something to help us. we lose completely. >> it doesn't haveo be this way, eric. it doesn't have to be this way. i.r.s. has $12 billion budget. that is $42 for ever man, woman and child in america.

it's six months of netflix you pay for every ar for the budget of the i.r.s. there are studies that show a flat tax could reduce th expense by 95%. but, of course, the government would never go for it. because it doesn't punish the rich to help the poor. that is something worth exploring rather than more oversight of the government spending that is out of control. >> eric: all right. i will ask wayne this. i want austan to weigh in also. the i.s. came to congress, raised the right hand and swore under oath they were asked what they were doing. doug shulman who had been to the white house or cleared by the white house 157 times over the last couple of years. when asked what he was doi there, he said something to the effect of, you know, i went to the easter egg roll. that is just contemptuous to the ameran people; is it not? >> it's arrogance beyond it. that is what i said before. these things are out of control in the sensehey are self-imbued with a power. and nobody is watchinghe store. they think that they are

independent. it's the fact that they -- this exists throughout the government. ea one of thesing as has found themselves -- each one of these agencies found themselv, so topeak, powerful within itself. nobody is contlling them it's getting worse and worse. so big government is a theory that is pervasive throughout what we are doing and it has to stop. >> wait. quick. eric, you talk to any event planner out there. they do have big lavish conferences like this. but for companies that have the money to spend, all the power to them. the i.r.s. dsn't have this kind of budget. to au stan's earlier point, look, they need the conferences. they got to learn what is going on. but don't waste our money. >> eric: private and taxpayers money are differences. before we move on in the show, tell me. who decided to target conservative groups? we have known that it came from since gnatty. but since gnatty is pointing their finger at d.c. some lawyer in d.c. didn't come up with this on his own.

you were in the white house and administration. who to you think did it? >> this is -- what i think happened is we the congress set up aeird situation in which we allow political groups to spend on elections with secret donor lists, etetera. we tell the i.r.s. you make sure they are not partisan organizatio. so, i think what it seems like so far to me is that somebody whether in washington or cincinnati or wherever in the i.r.s. got in their head. kay, well, here is how we'll figure out who is parsan. does it say "tea party "give them an extra check. >> eric: who? we agre on that. we agree o the details. who? who ce up with the idea? it has to generate from somewhere. we need to know whohat is. >> that is what they should figure out. let me say one thing, which is, if what we find outn the end is that they applied the scrutiny to the tea party, and to a whole bunch of other gups, then i think that situations very different

than if the i.r.s. itself is being partisan. if the i.r.s. turns out to be partisan, i think that is a huge problm. they shoulde trying to figure that out. >> the president version of accountability. we'll figure it out. get back to you. >> eric: there are n libal groups targeted. if you know of one liberal group target go ahead. go to my twitter account. let me know. i will bring it. i heard zero liberal groups. >> the only groups, the only groups that lost their tax exempt status actually were liberal groups.. the progress whatever groups. those are the only ones that had it taken away. >> eric: no, no, no. but you conating two different issues. they were targeting the conservative groups to allow them to get the tax exemption status, they weren't doing it on the liberal groups. last thought, jonathan, quickly, please. >> i think to some extent austan is right we have given the governmt power but instead of emboldening the power and enlarging the power to make the i.r.s. bigger a

more powerful, timeto c it. flat tax is not explored in congress these days to your point about the problem is the congress. that would be an initial moral step toward tax system to work not just for those in the i.r.s., but for all americans. >> eric: all right. we have to leave it there. power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. from government spending spree to snooping spree. if you use the inrnet or talk on the phone, listen up. uncle sam is tapping major internet and cell phone companies. is anyone's privacy safe? >> it seems like an invasion of privacy. >> there is no reason for them to know who i'm talkingith. >> it doesn't make you feel comfortable. big government is not a good thing.

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brotherhood, doing nothing on bengals. basically apologizing for islamic jihadism. why is it that we are targeting american citizens? not actually terrorist that the president profess to want to stop? >> eric: traracy, are you con ised that every time you google something big brother is taking look at or could have a look at what you are up to? >> i hope big broers like the heels i ordered the other day then. i amery concerned. very concerned. it's not that y know this is not going to stop. this started with your soda. now they arem coal down on everything. lo i get the notion they want to keep us safe. but there has to be a way to do this and be transparentt the same time. otherwise, i'm loving the black heels. i hope you are too. >> eric: austan, where do you fall on this one? it doesn seem to be partisan line. some are okay and say keep me safe. others say too much government overreach. >> you know, i think a couple of things. this does creep me out. i thought there would be a mash shift of people getting id of verizon and go t at&t.

but we found outt's with all the carriers. the national security part of this, it's somewhat notable on a bipartisan basis, all the senators from the senate intelligence committee who know what is going on, which we do not. they have comeout in a bipartisan basis a say they support it and think it's important for the country to ve this ability. the issue on the intnet, they are focusing on people calling overseas. so if you find that five different suspects and people you are looking at in the u.s. are all calling some house complex in pakistan, this is probably could be importt to keep that number. the other thing when you click on the user agreement, i agree for the online companies. you haven't read it. do you know what it is? >> no. you hit on something.

>> i don't like anybody spying. >> they collect it and sell it to people for money. >> wayne, the overreach. foth amendment of the constitution says be carefu for unlawful search and says sure. is this unlawful search and seizure? >> it is. th patrot act is specific. it talk about how you gather the information and this is done indiscriminately and in bulk. under the patriarch at there has to be a suspicion of wrongdoing. the judge who signed this order to allow them to get this information i don't know what he saw, we don't noah he saw yet. that may be important. in the meantime, the possibility of abuse. imagine giving eric holder this information. you know what he is going to do with it. he would violate your constitutional guarantee in a second. >> eric: weave to go. i don't have time.

everybody pointed finger about george bush aut the patriot t. this is patriarch act on steroids -- patriot act on steroids. comment? >> this is almost exactly what george bush did. on the up side and down side. i find it odd to see people saying it's great when bush did condemn the president. >> eric: or conversely the people who had a problem wh itwhen bush did it now say it's ki. we have to ligh i leave it ther. coming up, the happiest place on earth becing the most expensive place on earth. disney with a big price disney with a big price [ male announcer ] need hlp keeping your digestive balance in sync? try align. it's the number one ge recommended probiotic that helps maintain digestive balance.

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report. mickey mouse may be telling us what is up with the economy. disneyland and disney world are raising prices. while parents may be cringing, but there could be a silver lining. >> the parents will keep paying it. your little one wants to see cinder cinderella, you will scrape the pennies -- >> well, he is a boy. >> well he wants to say tarzan. >> or jack sparrow. >> you are still going. the upside it means people have extra money in their pockets or willing to charge it or do something. but they are still going to disney world. >> take a vic authorize -- victory lap. disney afford to raise prices. >> the jobs report was respectable, but not great. let's not take a victory lap yet. i think that's right. i think her insight is that's

probably a sign that tourism and economy is coming back. entertament tourism is a big driver of the economy. let's just hope it is not only a sign tt there are foreigners who have a lot of money whore cong and increasing the mand a disneyland. if it is just that, that won't bode well. >> disney raised the price 100% in th last 10 years. i'm sure americans incomes haven't gone up that same period of time. >> eric, you make a good point. disney races ts prices eve year for the last 10 years. this is not new. this is not something that is saying that the economy is fine. this is costs going up. this the thrt of inflation. we have commodities that have gone up substantially, cotton, will you lumber. and you better look out for the federal reserve policy. theywill take the wraps off and we will see inflation in a big way. >> wayne hit on something. a lot of theater rides at

disney,y,ater pces are sky rocketing and fuel prices going up too. >> it is not bottled water in those rides there. >> i know that. >> mr.ed to -- mr. tead can barely afford it. nobody is taking a victory lap for any job growth. wayne hit the nail on the head. often time rising prices c give the appearance of growth when in ago few wall tee it is thappearance of inflation. there is no such thing as a free lunch. one thing is that we are starting to see the net affect of the intervention from the fed on down and it is higher prices across the board including at disneyland. >> i have to tell you i think you are all overthinking it. i think mickey mouse is sitting back in his chair saying they will keep coming regardless of what i charge. >> they less -- elasticity. >> just keep coming.

>> core inflation is about 1%. it is below the targe rate that the fed has been searching for. i think this argument that this is sign of imminent hyper iflation is pretty ridiculous. >> we need to point this out. universal studios raised their prices. they are in florida. they are up to $92, $95. i guesse are pairing for it, right? >> we are going to pay to are it. in all due respect, i don't knowif you are watching what fed policy has done and jonathon is rightfully saying. you will see an increase in bond yields and you will see an increase in inflation. i will be happy to bet you on it if you want to put some real money, some personal money. we'll bet on it and i will say inflation will be much higher next year and i bet you -- >> you have a lot more money than i got. i need to be caref than that. >> i think i know more than you do about inflation.

>> lien, maybe -- >> this is one of the historic lows. of course they will go up. >> austin, we invite you every month. maybe we will teak the temperature the next month and the month after that. we will say thank you to austin. a great sport for joining us. coming up, a teacher under fire for suggesting his female students forget the corner office and focus on being mothers. not sure what they think, but we went out and asked people a simple question: how old is the oldest person you've known? we gave people a sticker and had them show us. we learned a lot of us have known someone who's lived well into their 90s. and that's a great thing. but even though we're living longer, one thing that hasn't changed much

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