you next week on fox business. in between then and now, i hope to hear you on the radio. ♪ >> lou: good ening and thank you for being with us. breaking neww this hour, reporting that the natiol security agency and.b.i. are mining the servers of nine leading internet programs. it's called prism and revead by an unnamed source and extracting audio and photographs and email to track a person's movement thewashington post" reports. the technology companies participating knowingly, microsoft, google, facebook, pal talk, skype, ytube and apple. meanwhile, washington today

a buzz regarding a separately and known nsa effort to mine meta data from more than a hundred million veriz wireless customers and the president today trying to change the subject from the number of scandals engulfing his administration by change his location and his message. president obama hopes he can pivot the media and talking jobs in north carolina before he heads to california for two mre private fund-raisers. while the president was avoiding the scandals or at least trying to without success, capitol hill was not. two mmore hearings, one involving aorney general eric holder and the other investigating the plate and the misuse of taxpayer dollars by the internal revenue service. we begin with the attorney gener. holder appearing before the

senate appropriations subcommittee where he acknowledged mistakes have been made. he cimed the justice department will not prosecute reporters for doing their jobs so long as he is the top law enforcement official in the nation. he did not mention the constitution. house chairman bob goodlock is trying to decide whether lied to the committee. calling to testimony once again and that appearance is now slated for june 18. meanwhile, lawmakers from both parties are blags tinge the irs for what oversight committee chairmanalls maliciously indid you live jentd overspending. in how the irs blew $50 million of taxpayer money on lavish conferences

between 2010 and 2012. one california based conference priced at $4 million itself. the head of the irs division that staged the conference offered nothing more than a nervous apology for the gross misuse of taxpayer money including his role in the creation of the ridiculous star trek video on your screen. that is also mr. ferris at the moment. >> it's embarrassing. i apologe. those videos, i know inspector general's report there is not a clear delineation cost of both videos, they are embarrassing and i regret the fact the were made. >> lou: joining us more on the nsa prism program and

collection o records by verizon customers. chs, steven hayes, fox news contributor, steven. let me begin with you. this report, expsive report from the "washington post." to be clear we a all knew what was breaking across the news. we knew seven years ago. u.s.a. today among other news organizations reportg e collection of so-called meta data. this "washington post" story is quite different dealing with service providers? >> i thinkou are exactly right. the proper distinction to make. in some ways, my first two reads of the story about the prism program that has been in existence seems to be magnitudes of order, more significant than the verizon story as you say we've been talking about all the time. it appears, if you read the piece cloly, it appears to be getting into content

rather than just colcting and analyzing meta data. meta data that is cold and numerical, if you go through it and only analyze, it's requiring eyes on alysis of actual content of actual communications which we were not seeing. we were not listening into these conversations in the case of verizon an these other providers. >> lou: chris? >> it's remarkae. all i can say about politicss this it's always true when it rains it pours. i've never seen six months this heinous too start a second term. i can't imagine how it could get worse for the president. i said that yesterday. when the verizon sry came out. now even before the day is ne, the next thing comes out, a president who owes his election and reelection in large part to his stature as civil

libertarian. a guy that was abl to rally the democratic base that prompted the "new york times" today to s the administration has lostll credibility. this is a disaster. >>ou: repeatin, with a chris just said, that is the "new york times" saying this is president has lost all credibility. the irony withhn irony, googlend facebook that were principal allies in his reelection campaign, his original campaign to ta the office. they have been political partners and becoming increasingly intertwined in thr political connectivity i you will. let's turn to the irs. steve, this is a just tawdry performance by the internalevenue service.

offial after official whether they are talking about lavish spending the uttee corruption and the corruption of the organization and cowardice of the manager of the internal revenue service blaming 90 people, steven miller said the two had gone rogue in cincinnati. it's monstrous lies and disturbing revelation one after another. >> we oug to b clear about onehing. if there were rely two rogue individuals continuing out of the ccinnati office who were responsible for this, we they would be in deeps and trouble. hey could be in jail. we know it wasn't that. i think mr. fink in his testimony in the mike emanuel package may have gotten himself in real hot water. he seems to me he didn't know how expensive the

expenditure was and he had in fact found an estime of the cost that was $4.3 miion. eithehe did know abut it or didn't know about it and this is one of the cascading series of misrepresentations and lies we've gotten from irs officials and membersf e obama administration about this particular scandal. >> lou: now we have the president, if you will, closing ranks. samantha power to the united nations post now held by susan rice. susan rice national security advisor, not requiring confirmation. this if i've ever seen a more radical national security team, i certainly can't imagine who it would be. wel io know that the chances of us bombing

stuff in siahas gone way up. a western intervention in syriais much more likely. this this is a signal that the approach that was taken in libya is now to be put forward in syria. there has been a genocide already. that is samantha pers, that is her portfolio, how the west should inteene. she wants it. susan rice is very much that way. she is a very hawkish on that stuff. yeah, i think we can see important of that from this administration. >> lou: high colleague chris did not want to use that word, radical, but i did. when you have things written and said by samantha powers, it is stupidfied there is not

more than a an outcry to talk the point in united nations. would you agree with that? >> she has wanted a policy of mea culpa and we saw that in the president's earliest months. i'mot sure we'll see a turn that my colleague will suggggest. very good grounds to suspect we might. but president obama is strained and you'll hear arguments from rice and por that we should takes a more intervention-i role. he has made it clear that he wants to reduce the u.s. footprint. >> lou: we will not have to refer to chris, we'll jt refer to him as our colleague. [ laughter ] >> lou: thank you gentlemen.

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♪ >> lou: my next guest says the susan rice appointment is a slap in the face. she belves it's done to distract in the various scandal that is boiling around. joining us is best selling thor conservative lumnist ann coulter. you say there is politics

in the appointment of rice >> yes, it remenus me of the clint era when he distracts one scandal by starting a new one. and what are republicans supposed to do with this. susan rice was all over tv about the video bei the cause of the atack on the ambassador and death of four americans. over and over again. she is promoting now what we know now is an absolute lie. of course republicans are oing explain about this. it's dangling a sardi in front of the ka cat. you have wasted 60 seconds on this,ather than amnestynd rather than the irs scandal. >>ou: let's turn first to the internal revenue service. that scandal and the prosecution is going after the irs to find relf to

his clients which have been victims of egregious use of power. when we look up all the scandls, i think the republicans have to give considerable credit. they have maintained focus here. i think they are doing very well to this point, don't you? >> i absolutely agree. if you watch some of the oma network, they keep complaining, republicans say obama is behind the scandal. many republicans and say they want you to investigate that. there are some facts we do know. they are pretty devastating ct beyond the line, the hearing yesterday i think it was very powerful for them and the least directly to their political opponents with the irs ternal stamp on it, then

that gets publishednd. we have a pro-life group indeed all the members have to pledge under penalty of perjury they will notray outside of planned parenthood facility. >> lou: inuding the fact the attorney general refuses to meet with the chairman of the house judiciary committee who demanded answers on the holder scandals, they are pluralby the way -- he and his committee will attorney general has committed perjury. as i lisn to the statement, i couldn't igine that you would doubt it ttat it contradicted himself? >> it seems like it.

i don't have a strong opinion on that. main point with the older and the tapping of journalist phone lines, fox new, james rosen and his parents is that the national securit justification is a fraud. that seems to be the linchpin of the whole story. if james rosen or any other journalist were trying to prsure a member of the state department to rease serious, sensitive security information, how about it. listen to their phones. > lou: i truly believe, holder the judge that signed off to the subpoena, f.b.i. agent that attested to probable cause, i think they could face significant consequences because it was preposterous what they accepted as fact. we have 15 seconds here. i know you've been very concerned about the gang of

eight and what you call the amnesty that is being proposed, do you think it will pass? >> right now it is on the and all these statements in the media, rubio saying we might not vote for it. this is fool the american people the way amnesty was stopped is when americans called and complained. that is not happening because talk radio hosts and all the media, don't worry it's not going pass. right now it's going to pa. >> lou: ann, always good to have you with us. >> the last recession called a man session because it hit n in the work force particularly hard. feminists and liberal media are celebratg a pew researc study. we wonder why

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some folks including some in my own tent including with a troubles about me bout this country. a few of my detractors decided was a hallmark and sisterhood towardend equality since moms ar the primary breadwinners in 40% of their homes. here is what they are focusing on th new pew survey. there is a lot to celebrate. it is in some small percentage they suggest. both at pew in which i've had a word or two, there is some good and there is also some submged material th a lot of people didn't look at. we areow looking at 5.1 million married mothers, we have a higher income that have higher income than their husbands.

49% of them have at least a college degree. 65% of them are white. 67% are between the ages of a 30 and 50. their median family income is nearly $80,000. i think that is pretty much what most people would expect. all that isn't what imprsed me in this study or concerned me. believe it or not, there are few folks that i shouldn't be concerned or i shouldn't be troubled by what we're seeing. i don't know why they felt that way. frankly, i don't care. it was mor ideogical. it was more reflexivend had something to do with in some abstract way with some sort of gender politics. here is what my detractors refused to acknowledge. in some cases they didn't even want to talk about it. the single mom. there are 8.6 million of

them. versus the 5.1 million with the $80,000 and that is going pretty good. these single mothers who are working, 49% o them have a high school degree. they are working because they have . this isn'tbout te sisterhood. this isn't about progress. this is about the consequence of choices that we're making as a society and it's not working out great for these folks. to deny that, i consider to be outrageous. 40% of them are black. ne a quarter. 24% hispanic and neay a third are white. almost half, 46% are 30 years or younger. if they've ever been married or whether divorced or widowed they make on an average $29,000 a year.

if they've never been married, they make on average, $17,400 a year. the poverty line for a family with one adult, one child, just over $15,000. so that tells you where these women and their children live i our economy. their children live in poverty and the moms are the sole provider by default, not becauue of gender equality orrogress. many of these children of the single moms are at risk andn so being they perpetuate a cycle of poverty or illegal behavior. all of us, men and women have got to break the cycle of pass ist and difference and break the cycle of irresponsibility responsible political correctness to delude some men in denying the pain in society and consequences of

poor public policy decisions. we've got to address and fix this for these people's sake. we're going to take all of that up with fox ns national security analyst k.t. mcfarland. she has had a career of home and family andareer and also one oer that says the traditional ways is not for her. [ male announcer ] if you suffer from a dry mouth then you'll know how uncomftable it can be. [ crickets chirping ] but did you know that the lack of saliva can also lead to tooth decay and bad breath? [ exhales deeply ] [ male announcer ] well there is biotene. specially formulated with moisturizers and lubricants, biotene can provide soothing relief and it helps keep your mouth health too. [ applause ] biotene -- for pele who suffer from dry mouth.

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k.t. mcfarland. >> we are tied as a grandparent of five. let's get to,bviously you pre dealing with somewhat traditionalersonalities when we started talking about grandchildren. >> she is my daughter. [ laughter ] >> lou: han it be that we can bamlyhoo and we talk about this progress, more than $8.5 million, $17,400 average on year. lacking education the children will be going into the same cycle. we are perpetuating such a waste in our society. >> the unfortunate part there are very few people that are willing to talk about this. th is a very sensitive

subject. you have to be ae to talk about single mothers and the problems that ensue. you are not talking abo not being able to give them educational opportunities. what ultimately leads to the entitlement socie where people become dependent on gernment programs and government systems because they don't have a two parent householdld where they have two figures that can contribute to their financial well-being. so its conversation that needs to happen. i'm all for strong empowered women in the work force. i'm all for female breadwinners and i don't want to equate them to the animal kingdom as others have done. i support -- if you are a single woman ou there and you want to have a child and you can handle that and you ha a supportive family around you and you are financially able to take that on, i tip myat to you. you need to be sure that you can financially provide for that child or you are

doing a disservice not only to your child but to society at large. >> lou: there is a lot more at work than money here? >> yes. the chalk talk you did you paint two societies. u and i talkedd by charles murray called "coming apart." he studied wte american families, we have an elite tribe that is well educated. >> lou: and very smart. he kept his entire analysis and conclusions only to white america so there would not be any racialism. >> he found an elite group they have a low divorce rate only 4% have children out of wedlock. they are very intact and doing very well.

but a whole other group that you talked a about it. they are single parent families. women are breadwinners out of necessity and children are fa more likely to use drugs to be poorly educated and not have high school diplomas. >> lou: do you want to have children or get married? >> whether i get mried in the future i don't know. hopefully i have a husband when i do. i intend to have a long prosperous career. i'm one of tse people doesn feel like it matters who wears the financia pants in the family. that needs to be decided on an individual basis, per couple per family. >> lou: we've got to be able to accommodate a lot of choices and reflex

shouldn't be a neanderthal or bizarre. it's your life. it's america, you live it. i don't see why that isn't the case. there is a sort of a feminist about it all, i don't know way to say it. primitive outlook of something -- i don't know what the devil is going on. > i think you can also talk about the importance of family and talk about the importance of two-people that love and support a child without being outdated. you say i want women to be empowered. i want men to be empowered >> i want childreto be empowered and children of 8.6 million are at risk are not empowered. >> they'll never catchp. they'll never catch up to

the elite group that is going to gradue school and stays mared. >> lou: it challenges a lot of the assumption made across society by the traditional and different views. >> talk about the cultural components in society out how people feel about men, how people feel about women. what that has to do with this. i think it puts an interesting mix. i know there was on college campuses if men don't feel welcome. [ laughter ] >> lou: get out there and go to work at something you enjoy. it's not going to be an education but that is why we have 57% of college graduates are women and ensures their women for the next couple of decades as breadwinners. thank you both.

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>>. >> loumy next guest has been saying foronths on this broadcast that tte relationship between the obamas and the clintons has never been warm and cozy. sources now say president bill clinton agreed to give that incdible speech at the democratic national convention because there was deal in place. in return president obama would endorse hillary in 2016. the president, however, has been dodging in and out of that deal ever since. joining us with the details of this fascinating relationship and deal, author of the best-selling

book, "the amateur," brand-new details we will be discussing here tonight. ed cline, great to have you here. this deal, as we all watch bill clinton perform the democratic national convtion we knew something was going on because his animation, his enthusiasm had never been so ebullient? >> he thought he nailed down a deal to get hillary endorsed in 2016 but he had the right to name the chairman of the democratic committee thereby getting control over the democratic party apparatus. i stuck right through the election until obama won and then he started backing off the deal.

>> lou: backing off the deal and i have to tell you it's hard tofollow because as you report, bill clinton gets furious because the pridentdecides, i don't need him anymore. next thing we see is hillary clinton and barack obama in a departing secretary of state, second term president all love have i dovy on the cameras of 60 minutes. >> that was t payoff that obama had to do when he found out that clinton was so upset. that clinton was so apoplectic. when obama's people discovered how upset clinton was they got scared. >> lou: this is not a potential adversary even if

you are president of the uned states? >> exactly. i think obama realized that. 60 minutes was one payoff, the big kiss on television and the secretary payoff was the obamas invited the clintons to the white house for the very first time to have dinner in the family quarters. guessss who was there at the dinner? valie jarret. they wouldn't have dinner with him a. they had to have valerie jarret. >> lou: president obama h never been close, but president clinton talking about the george w. bush asking more for advice who are has president obama. whattis the current state of relationship. what is the currenttate of the deal? >> current state of the deal i've be told by

sources've been talking to for several months is that the clintons have more or less given up any hope of getting obamas endorsement in 2016. >> lou: despite the deal? >> the deal has been tossed over the side of the boat. it appears from what i've been told that joe biden has decided to run f president in 2016. and obama is saying, he is my vice president. he is the guy been very loyal to me. i can't turny back on joe. i can't really endorse hillry because of that. it's excuse to get out of endors hillary. >> lou: parameters changing quite frequently. i guess john boehner would be reminded how effective a

deal is with this president. this can't be helpful to the president. it doesn't is seem, at least to me, to be a deal breaker for hillary and her aspirations for 2016, is it? >> i don't think so at all. i think you have a president who breaks his word with almt everyne whom he gives it. i have been reporng on barack obama for several ars. i n't tell you how many people have told me, i thought iad a deal with him. i thought i had a agreement with him. i did my side and then he didn't follow through. this happens again and agn. i think this is what has happened in congres >> lou: ed cline, thanks very much. the paperback edition is now on sale and online or go to lou dobbs for a link. >> psperity headed to the heartland says the author of a new bk, meredith

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♪ >> lou: our next guest created quite a name for herself by making the toughest calls on wall street. her latest edition that economic strongholds are shifting to california and new jersey to texas and indiana. joining us is prominent and author, new gee geography? >> it's such an honor to be here. >> lou: congratulatis on your new book. it's out and online and in book stores. we've got a connection to

it on lou dobbs dotcom. the idea that we're seeing a nation along our east and west coast, becoming so heavily regulated and such massive taxes that it's actually be a disincentive for folks for prosperity for the middle of the country. howoon? >> well, i'll tell you that businesses that are moving now, the bunesses have% been in the process of moving. people are starting to follow. all peopl want in ts country and pretty much everywhere is an opportunity to earn a better life. so when people talk about why is there no the job creation? there is a job creation. half a milon jobs have% been created in the central corridor. the old schoo economic theory the coasts are going to lead the economy forward

isn't working anymore. >> lou: it's not working and taxes are rising and democratic shiftt as well that are going to be very important. you predict the smart money, the wealthy folks will be relocating. i think of some interior states lik illinois, that has to give folks smart money a lot of pause. >> no one is going to illinois because they just raised their taxes by two-this. it's difficult to get if you are smart, you understand that the liabilities that are taking on as a taxpayer, meaning they are going to lean on you important more tax dollars is prett threatening. what happens not only do your taxes go up but when the states are in bad shape, money for other things like educatio, roads, public safety, that goes away. so people pay more and getting less for their money. there is month money to retrain people.

unemployment stays high. lou: unemployment has become chronic. it is without question structural without policy response,ithout a leadership response. >> all talk and no action. >> lou: and we are depended upon growth and no discussionf when prosperity returns to this country. when do we start to see the return of prosperity? is it dependent on a new set of leaders? >> here is the cool thg. you are sing itt in these states, 2008 and 2011, last data available, states like texas grew over 8%. states like louisiana grew 16% andtates like nor dakota grew 26%. states like california grew

3% and florida and nevada grew even less than that. it's really happening here. the states are not doing the right thing, california, new jersey, illinois don't wake up and pay attention, they are going to be way behind the game. it's sad that the states that need the change the most are the most distance from the change. >> lou: are banks back? >> i think banks are also in structural transition. >> lou: i like that structural transition. meredith, we like i very much. we recommend her book "fate of the states," on sale and online or go to our website for a link. >> lou: up xt, new book and author's words telling the inside story of the shadow international bank

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stopping at nothing to help you save. >>. >> lou: myext guest n book "tower of bel," the bank of international settlements, b.i.s.and how they operate out of lawand oversight. joining me is the author of "tower of babel," the bank itself is not secret but n sure the operations are. great to have you adam lebor. this is fascinating book. this is fasciiating subject and one most peopleven in business and banking don't understand this bank and it's role as the

b.i.s. what drew to you so to the conspiracies and world of financial management? >> it started in the late 1990s. wrote a book called the secret bankers that investigates switzerland and connections with nazi germany. there was a chapter i wrote on the b.i.s., and it's a strange situation. >> lou: who really once the bank? >> the bank runs itself. it'somposed of 15 governors from around the world. for examplehe govnor of federal reserve. bank of england, bank of italy and central bank. >> lou: youveeen a correspondent through your career. do you believe it to be a benign force or a force that is somewhat gnificantly sinister? >> i don't think it's

sinister in itself. what we know, we want more information what goes on there. this isn't a bank that is out to ruin the world or be malevolent. but it's very secret cause it was set upn 1930. it's an average of deference to authority and did what they were told. nowadays thatoesn't work any more. >> lou: perhaps we are becomiig more submisse and passive, certainly in this coury. we accept it. there are those that resist the federal reserve, an important part. i compensated the book to you. adam lebor, the book is "tower of babel," adam

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