is your cholesterol at goal? ask your doctor about crestor. [ female announcer ] if you can't afford youmedication, astrazeneca may be able to help. neil: obama administration is nogetting sued by no less than lu the same aclu that went after president bus for the wiretaps. they are getting hotter, but instead i want you to watch out for a cold war because of this is getting colr. welcome i am neil cavuto, we think, nsa leaker snowden, somewhere in hong kon i assume we have alrdy asked the chinese to hand him over, b ed is still not here, that can only leade t believe, ed is still over there, and tt leads me to believe in the chinese are just as interested in talking to ed as we are, and guess what.

the russians want to talk to ed, an putin is considering asylum fo ed. the americanize version of gerald depardieu. like ed, sick of snooping bureaucrats in america that even russia looks good, by comparison. that puts a chill on our relationships with these countries. we have a american who spied, but said he did not spy. there are countries that want to know more aut tht stuff, our stuff. are you feeling stuffed? i am, this is how cold wars start. whether an an america pilot shot down or hapless high school drop out with a lot of secret to

tell. amazing we have gone from a series of domestic scandals to one officially a international crisis. cat think tngs can get worse i think they did. don't you think it worriesush 41, former deputy under secretary defense jed -- this is out of control >> well, it's kind of fun in a way, a very active cold war going on with the chinese with cyber espionage. it is obvious its going on, they are in position of mr. snowde maybe. and vic vladimir putin old habis die hard, he grew up in the kgb, he wants to make trouble. why not stick his nose in. why not make snowden think hes

more than he reay. is the snowed know guy is a punch, he has grandios ideas of hihimsf, she nnt that important. neil: you are notn the camp that think he is you know, free speech hero? >> no. he is a punk, a loser, he quit college, quit the army, you know you start quitting i is a nasty habit. and you know he has the idea, he will make this big splash. i don't know maybe he is angling for a book contract, maybe michael moore willublish a book for him. neil: he went to hodge continental immedialy -- hodge konhongkong immedly after leakig it did he think that chinese would welcome him with open arms without wondering that maybe they are going to on something else? >> well, we don't know. he maye that naive. and if he is, well, more the pit tpi to him.

neil: what do you think chinese are doing with him. we have not sn he or hair of him in last 24 hours. reportedly. what do you think they are doing. >> i don't know. neil: what do you suspect, you are pretty good at ts. >> thank you. but if i were in their shoes i all have him in a very isolated location, i would not be watrboarding him but i do erything else short of that, if he does not know more, which is probable, they would throw him aside like a used rag. neil: meantime vic vladimir putn the picture, what good is it for the russians then? >> the russians would as chinese woul try to make it useful to other people, we're talking about information that is tracble to trorists, and terrorist cells and ters and nation such as iran, i would think that you know, you have a

little race to get mr. snowden in hand, and to get what elsee knows to sell it to the iranians or give it to them. to make sure they really felt betterbout the russians or the chinese that is what i would do. neil: here is what really worries me, i hope i am wrong. i hope this does not happen, those roars that snowden - records that snowe kw retrieved showing 115 million wnads of verizon phone calls, and god knows what else from customers that chine have it russians potentially could. >> i think that is quite likely. we just don't know. i dot know the volume of information these got, i would suspt strongly he is not running around wit younow drink -- disk drives full of information from the verizon customers that could be more than h could handle. neil: well, she not a idiot.

>> no. but he is probably very naive, he has a exaggerated opinion of himself, and trying to make a bigplash. ly isleahy don't -- hes makinga big splash. neil: interesting. is he or for moder day youtube pilot in. >> ion't think so. gary powers of a hero, this guy is a thief, he stole this infoation he is leaking out. >> you a not buying he did this for the good of america, stuff. >> no, not for a minute. he did it for the goo of himself. neil: don't gray out on us, n't give us luke warm reasoning, thank you. neil: jed babbin thank you. >> and now fnce gets in the act, before you feel glad it is not vlad, remember roman polanski. the americanilm director

arrested for raping a 13-year-old girl, then pleading guilty to charges of unlawful sex is a minor, he fled to europe, and settled to france. former l.a.istrict attorney steve cooley, isoining us now, exclusively, of all of the options france would be the least, advantageous for us, given wt you had to go through, right? >> not necessarily, the polanski case,nd snowden are two different cases, polanski was a celebrity based upon his talents, his crimes were of a common variety sexually assaulting a minor applying her with drug - flying her with drugs, and possession of drugs, wh snowden has done is a larger scale potentially in terms of the potential thrt to

our country, and security interestn the world, and the cia, it is a high profile case, yes. but i don't think you can compare one to the other. >> here is will iake a comparison if you wl indulge me, they are both celrities the world h now attached itself to this guy,nowden, as some sort of a you know privacy rights hero. we don't know why he didhat he did. it might not be so heroic. but fr the time being, they welcome h as a hero of free speech >> you are right. you are right, that is a dynamic in thisarticular situation whether it be in contact of extrition or deportation, snowden will have a following, an international following, there will be some political aspect to this there will be campaigns just as there were campaigns if among hollywo

people for us not po to pursue poland ski theying or -- polanskihen organized -- >> really, steve, i find that incredible. whateverou think of his talents even at theime, this was aut raping a 13-year-old girl. >> you had movie sta like whoopie goldberg coming out in his defense. saying well, it's not rlly a rape, rape, that is her quote. it was not until a local "l.a. times" columnist, steve lez released details contains grand ry transcript that the whole movement was put down, they wer putting pressure on my offers, and mysel to let it g lets polanski go, i tnk you will see som support for snowden among those who belve he has done sometng heroic.

we don't know what he h done yet or how much harm heay have caused our nation's security, he may vy well be a trader. >> you are right, but nowhe questions, t cntries that have -- let's say china, and russia. an france that wants him, not a given we could extra diet him, i understand there are standing laws that allow this sort of thing. agreemt we have with likesf hodge kong, that does not mean the chinese have to honor them. i am sure we have requested him, what do you make? >> first question to ask, where is he. who is the -- >> where do you think he is in. >> i have no idea. but wherever he is, will dictate what will happen, if it i say friend or foe that makes a big differce, but is there extradition treaty. some nations, we have diplomac

relations and an extradition treaty, others we have diomic relations but no extradition treaty, and others with no dip lettic relions at all -- diplomatic relations at all, where he ends up, will dictate the future of what happens. you ll have an overlay of se peopleromoting him as a hero to be admired, and depending on the country where he lands, they may veryell be empathetic. you mentioned russia, communist countries or middle east were countries, there will be a serious debriefing. and not nessarily in the best interest of the u.s. of america. neil:r more mr. snowden who might regret what he was hoping d wishing for. >> true. neil: steve cooley thank you veryuch. >> thank you. neil: tuesday, there must be another scannedda scandalo repo?

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what's in your wallet? neil: all this time i thought that belgians like chocolate, but not everything that comes outf there is sweet. ambassador ofelgium, and former secrery of state hillary clinton -- lawyer representi the first person who blue the wis ol oldhis the amssor involved thoset department say there is nothing weird or wrong going on he. but, it now out of control. what have you learned, what does your whistle blow are discovered? >> you know, on the inspection

team, it circron make governmt says that. ththey looked into this, there s nothing to it, the government's inspection teamharged with inspting diplomatic security in this case. actually had fdings and concsions and recommendations that are ctrary. that is the governmt's inspection, those cases were some of the cases that were found, and undue influingoing on -- inthroughencence influence. neil: what does your whistle-blower say was going on. >> in diplomatic securityn state department, that would influence investigation into for example, special investigation division, investigations of criminal nature to employees, and discipliny roceedings and other investigations by law

enforcement officials, have you polical appointees interferes with law enforcement investigations. corruption. neil: to what e? what were they doing that would get to this level of offense? >> in some instances they wld halt investigations, in others, there is instances in the information that they would overly pursue some people. so,re was an unduenfluence from senior ranks officials above divisn of t invvstigator including political apointss that were -appointees that were interfere. neil: there was a sexual scandal going on and higher ups were trying to cover their tcks esseially? >> it was discoved they were trying to cover their tracks and

then tre is cer-up of the cover-up, which is office -- >> how close did that go to hillary clinton's office? >> well ther t there is indicatt was pretty close. neil: what is pretty close. >> indicatnshat people within that office were interfering with investigations, that was the finding of the inspection team that was st up to office of iestigator general. the findings andhese conclusionse removed from the report, essentially undue influence, gross amount of government misconduc was covered a remov from the report, and removed from report its to congress. neil: that sounds like white washing of the benghazi reports that everyone was in agreement the talking points, i know it is night and day, two different issues, t that brings to light, the possibility that higher ups at state departmt,

doort of white wash what we're told. >> there is no doubt, there is ve close silarities to what was going on in some of the her cases. i have no personal knowledge, i don't represent anydy in those instances, but this the case of -- the oice of iestigato neral charged and mandated reporting infoation to congress. they report to congress, they are supposed to be a indepeent watch dog if that independent watchdog is unduly influenc, and iormation is not getting to challenge that is ting to congress that citizen problem, my clilient cae forwar s ds not get a prize for this sh did this because report came out in march, and it done contain all of the very serious findings of governnt misconduc neil: does tt include on this belgium, ambassador, same thing

caught up in the same type of report jus irregularities. yes. yes. >> it sounds like a sodom and gomorrah shop of anything goes? it does, and you know, it is our feeling that whether there is public corruptn uncoved and t inspection team, the vernment inspection team, the government's findings, are there is uue influence ithould have been reported to the proper authorities. i don't know that oig investigators, i don't think -- i don't know they have jurisdiction or public corruption, essentially, what you have is the senior offials in department of state, now coming forward and sayg, we have investigated ourselves we did nothing wrong. neil: they wonder why we get cynical, gary thank you so much. >> i appreciate it. neil: i can'teep up with the scandals, i can't, i know there

is a pattern of wiredness, say this -- weirdness, they put a stop to the spending, right? wrong. full speed ahead on big spending in the sen

neil: a near trilion dollar farm bil no way to pay f it little matter to a democratic senate that keeps pushing it. the same sene with same measure barely trims food stamps spending at all, makes you wonder hownd why this scandal of speing behavior continues. to our guests, jedediah what happened here? i thought it would get side tracked. >> 17 trillion-dollars in debt,

we didn't just get here by someone snapping their fingers, we got about their by this, spending out of control. the house passed a bill, came up with something that does not touch food stamps it touches it by 3%, higher than senate. but still if you look at foodd@ stamps and amount of money we're spending 1 in 7 people on food stamps, idea tha senate would look to cut half a percent it makes me want to laugh. neil: in the end, whatever allowances, tony as they are -- tiny as they are, with all these scandals going on, this is one thing i thought we would not have toorry about not the case. >> hard to touchandatory spending, like food stamps, you look from years 2008 to 2012, there was an increase in program, 60%. and this gets rl problem whi is too often in government, ty

look at number, amount they a %-outcome, people will assume, this must be greaa program, we're spending a lot, instead of saying, why in the world are so manyeopl still on food stamps, what can we do to get them a job, and supports themselves??@ neil: what part of almost a trillion dollars do they wan undersnd that is what worries me. >> it could have been worse, that is only thing you could say. the problem with these bills there is something february both sides -- something for b sides, that is why they get through, who doe't like farmers and poor people? this is the bottom line, we have to ensurearrers -- iure faer and then, you know poor situation, i understand how the roles grow during a recession, but we're not in a recession did any more. they never go back to

prerecession levels, both sides like the spending, it gets you votes, a lot of votes, a lot of money to yourffice, these are ones that get most approval. neil: this is one of mt run away spendingrograms of all, food stamps, 1 out of 7 or close to 1 sut of 6 ar -- 1 out of 6 a gettg these, the genuinely poor deserve this,e're all for helping them, but if we'ret that point, where that is the case, we're as hird world as you can get. >> true, and the farm bills that usually gs to large commercial farms, that down need the money, this was instuted to hp the small farmshat were struggling, thesearmers, are not struggling average farmer overs there are si$80,000 a yeas a funds something they should not fund, we don't have the money for this no one in washington wts to hear two simpleords, we're broke.

we don't have the money. neil: we keep doing this, why i was surprised -- i could see slippingng in a $50 billion ite, in theseays it is like a rounding error. that would slip through. >> it goes back to 80% of thi bill, is food stas. and we don't see the momentum in congress to touch many of the mandatory spending programs, such as social security. neil: we never will. we will have to at some point. neil: i hear you. >> they cannot continue on. neil: you are a lot younger than me, you are those who should worry, i think ill just skate b -- i think i'll just skate by, here is great news, small business guys are feeling bett better. but not so grade news, not all but not so grade news, not all business g at od, whatever business you're in, that the biness we're in.

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neil: small biz or just big lies. some saying their struggling colleagues are not struggling so much these days, they are more optimistic tha they have been in a long time, l's say, my guys areot buying what they are hearing from those guys, my guests today thank you in sweet and good foodstuff, th are thin and fit i don't know why have you the on. but let's gets you know your ke on this david.

according to this, thingsre looking u they are feeling up, why not you? >> i just -- came through our what is our busiest two weeks of the year from a decorator cake standpoint with graduation, and school stuff, and it was like our easter, it of flat. -- it was flat, i don't see it, at least in midwest,e came through two months highest gas prices we've seen in years, i was talking with a buddy yeyesterday, a carpenter, they just got a dollar raisi raise, increase, sucd up by while and welfare, they keep preaching about dispose able income stuff, we'll be at grod zero in 4 to 6 years, that is what we see in the world they live it. neil: joseph, do yo see the same? >> first of all, good afterroon, fr a sweet place to do

business, reno, nevada, i am seeing in our business is that the mom and pops are wholesale -- our wholesale customers h slowed up in this last quarter. i don't understand, you know mi candy has done irease business but a primarily been exports, so, what my concern is our organic growth is growth we receive from the momnd pop, our main street in thenited states, and i have seen that a little bit flat here in the last two months. neil: you know, they are say, dave maybe you can respond, a lot saying they are optistic of better days ahead, if might prove misplaced optimism , what do youay? >> i think they are trying to talk people who a good mood, we're feeling fica cut and health care costs comingp, buddy, you see, i don't care what you say, people that used to buy's car every 3 year, now

buy it 10, what are they going to do get in a good mood,nd buy one every 7 years, we're never going to see this come back.. our company, we have had to reinvent ourselves, we were never in wholesale, we had t go to grocery stores, and use your names, 50 yrs of a qlity na. but the employees that i need to do that business and make that pruct, that not the high paid employee thaty used to hier, they are -- hire, they are pt time people, lower skilled people, low wage people, this is a watch 22 why this economy is recovering at the snail pace it is, i think these economists live in the same bubble or drink the same kool aid. neil: they don't eat can or eat baker products. joe, youhink that maybe we're

splurging. but not on some stuff you would think they would spurge on, like your stuff, youou know makery stuff, candy, that stuff. >> wel you know, i think we're in -- an affordable tre, a lot of us -- still, small businesses are gnghrough credit currents, i don't care what they sayith regard t sto mket looking great, that is a disconnect. you look at world economy, and in asia and europe, those ecomies are in a lot of hurt, th affect us. i subject that, you know the lile guys thatre still here, and in states that have not gone offshore, the struggling. credit is a problem, even for me to go to t bank, and you know, equit that's i had in my -- equity that i had in my home and ilding in last 5 years has en to nothing, they talk about housing prices coming bac up, that is great, that i everyo's equity.

we have not gotten to where we bought them in 2006 range. neil: the same there in st. louis. >> oh, yeah. tas have gone up on real estate but value of propertyas gone down 25%. neil: hang in there thank you veryuch. we t thought we would bounce it off you, did not jive with you either. i wish the news was better. neil: we' keep watching hang in there do you remember -- well this woman? she actually pays to look like this. that is the good news, but now she has to pay more to keep looking like this scandal that wil rlly burn you, or at least her. least her. >> i can -- you know once -- you hurt my feelings, todd. i did? when visa signure asked everybody what upgraded experiences really mattered... you suggested luxury car service instofstrength training with patrick willis." come on todd! flap them chicken wings.

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to tan, i don't care what anyon else has to say neil: has the taxman got no shame, gng after the tan lady. she will have to pay more for thatust-crispy look. our blitz, not only leathery folks who are in a fix. gary, you feeling burnt? >> you know just amazing to watch, the taxers, do this it rarely, a realized we're -- temporarily, and realized they or to something28 million people go into a tanning booth evy year, where tre money they will get it, this is jus a smitslither of the taxers. neil: they are not getting 160 million off this? that is an hour worth of government spending. >> a good way to dictate social

policy, let government decide some activities are good, if we ta tanning places let's put a x on t of taxes onal h alcohol, more taxes on working out on a treadmil it might give you a heart attack. the story their is something else going on. i thought it took congress legislate our to make a tax, i don't thi tt irs its own ability to lei any -- lay any tax it wt, you look at john ehner, do you not think this is irs targets conservatives, he is the most tan member of congress. neil: maybe it is natural all in the sun. >>hey are targets tanned conservatives. whatever haen to the sun, i don't get i i don't know why people do to those booths anyhow. neil: issue two. 000-dollar rebates if youuy

a which ofyolt. >> this so a chevy volt. >> this on top of a tax credit. you will have to start paying me cash to take the car. neil: take the car off our hand. >> did gm-chrysler er really want to sell the volhey introduced volt the time of bailout, and president obama said we need more green energy cars,. neil: are making money at this, tesla is making mon. very high-end, and pricey. your kind of price i car, gary. but what do you make? >> well, a very sympalupply and demand, expecting were between 60 and 100,000 cars sold this year, they have been 7,0 this yr. sohey have to try to move t and fact is they canno move it with a 7500 rebate, they haveo d 5,000, i don't think it will wo. and interesting note, cost gm 75,000 to make one of these

cars, they can't sell them for , there is another agendaut there as far as making tm. >> will they be allowed to kill it like you kill any own popular oductsr are they not to because it is politically incorrect. >> pure economics said they should kill itow, but iis not going to happen, not pc . neil: pure enomics conditi a long time ago - went a long time ago. >> so did sony just put microsoft in box? exbox. >> a huge change. when playstation 2 came out, en microsoft xbox killed it because microsoft product $ 250, and playstationost $600, now next xbox, it is 600 -- more 550 500 bucks outcomes y

with 400. neil: you could also argue that people wl pay for system they deem cool no matter the price, or no? >>ell, that is a fact but there are two words, that is price sensitivi. and microsoft is basically tempting fate right noo, good news from microsoft, is people love what they sel they love thei games, they have connext connect thing, it will be interesting going forwardn who wins this one. neil: do you think that microsoft lowers its price? >> i think they will have to. sony playstationn 4, backward come at t patible -- compatibli have playstation three games that i can use on the new

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neil: barack obama in over his head? all these scandals have famed analyst, not only wondering -- peter said, you should be

worried. what is your beef with president in his crucialole. >> americanublic by 55% has lost confidence in all of government because of the irs, d other scandals,nd the president is not ting -wnership of the problem, he has to step forward, say tse are my problem, he set the wrong tone, he is alibiing and trying to shift blame, that is not what a good ceo does. neil: a good ceo has to wait until all of the facts are in. giving the presidenn the benefit of the do yo doubt,e us know knt happened. but does that not bring into another issue, you don't know what is going on. >> he travels too much, he is out of the office, he does not too meet with his executives frequently enough, and the irs take their cues from t boss, can you find anybody from top

helon i irs that takes responsible, no i can not. >> what is the culture of this ministration, you have reminded m, everything bleeds from the ceo on down. what is the mind think of the dna of this adminnstration, it is takg cue from a president who my not be telling them to spy on good cservatives or go after reporters, but they are providing an atmosphere where it is okay. >> look atis own conduct, he slipped healthcare through the senate, you know it is slight of hand, at irs, they watched president, behaving in a political fashion, lied about . romney, sai things that were not true. and you know, so now, they do

now at irs? they are conservative, we target those peopl that will make the boss happy, they had a nice conduit, union president meeting wit the president, tting her money in resources as a union president, into democratic candidates and attackings tea party, so they do their own thing, theyse their own initiative to attack the tea party. neil: normally when a leader is under duress it not good for the cotry. it rattles markets brily, as it did with watergate hearis, from nixon, a impeachment hearing of bill clinton, they don't like this leadership ineases thing. but that is what we have. at ensues now? >> well he is in a lot of ouble because democratsre abandoning him, american plic are his stockholders, they lost

confidence inis stuard ship -- stewardship, they d't le the management. his board of directors, democratic leaders on the hill, he does not have a many as he thinks he should. now "new york times" attacking him, on the fox web site, long side our be on ed, a rdition on how "new york times" lost confidence in the president, this is what happens when do you not te ownership forhe mistakes of your subdinates, he does not put running the government first, everything is political, he tats this as a politica issue when it is a management pblem. neil very well put, peter if thank you. >> take care. neil: one fed, 1.4 million to go. 1.4 million americans have top-secret clearance. that is 1.4 million possible

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on the wings of lunesta. neil: whatf i told you, me people in the u.s. have secret clearance than the peoe of moana. i'm the surprised i don'tave top-secret clearance, or maybe i do. jedediah is back with us, how big a crise it is. that is a big number. >> i can announce, i do not have clearance, i have been denied. neil: what do you think of that? a lot of people. >> think in a post 1999 world there is -- 9/11 wld there is a more rush to data, a fear of ensuing terrorist attack or

tredy to pvent, i think made it ease year for peopl to get inhe system, we have anver stuffed bureaucracy in the government, that does not help maer, but everyone was trying figure out i the leaker was a hero or trader, i was thinking, how did he have access to the information with a very thin resume, a private compa for three months, how many of this guy are there out there? that could potentially jeopardi national security or you know, cau som sort of damage by virtue of the information hes holding in his hand, that worries me. neil: what worries me, is how easy this is to happen. when you run a division or a bureau at an agency, say i request pho records that goes through a chain of command, eh one of those sets of eyeballs are looking at this stuff along the way, for all i know there is a secretary doing one last

check, eh are privy to something maybe hey they should not be. >> there is no question 1.million is a lot of people. you know i c't tell you if that is appropriate number, but i can tell you, is ttting in to having top-secret clearance, you are not is up the olded to get -- supposed to get the information unless you need it for your job. neil: but boss handing it out, put it in a folde i am being simplisticere. it willnow downloaded, you are the big cheese, so, someone is going to do that for you. >> well, i mean, i think the scandals and may 2000 scandal with fello from army released that information, tt diplomatic -- >> sure. >> it does bridge that in to question -- bring thht into question. but you know top-secret clearance there are a lot of people that have it we have to do better job ming sure that

eakers do not leak secure information. neil: there is more out there, jonus, than before. and high-tech agency groups and power houses that have this at their disposal, this that could stumble into the wrong hand. >> a other millions of people who work f the companies and have this data. there are tens of millis of people who have access to what you consider secury data about yoself. ando your point, you raised, not that government was coecting it for checking to see ho is calling -- to see who is calling, it is once you database it, it isone, whether it i leaked out by peoe who work, handling it, it will get hacked away. bottom line cirmstance if it has a power button today it is

not private. neil: i tell you, what comes into focus is how easy i is to go. if that information is out there it is gettable. and it is reach able, it is download able. boom. >> and yeah. like privacy is dead. i've been saying that f a long time, but there has to be a way to better screen these people. or at least me the system more efficient. people with ls access,hose is moreccess. and there has to be a way to do this betteror private companies. neil: maybe, the young people who kno this so well. tech-savvy.ue they are neil: computer wiz kids here at fox, i can't turn my computer on. but before i know it, they 64 my tax files, i don't know -- they are intoy tax files, and i don't know how this happened. >> that is theble we' i now. neil this guy, this

29-year-old, it u.s. is not surprises. you they are gouge guys, they can do -- they are younguys they can access the stuff, then you realize, i'm stuck. >> they're computer wiz, in this case he did not graduate college, those are those you to have watch out for. the people -- >> i don't know about, tt. he made up for it in a lot of the diffent ways, but i will y up the chain of command, he kept going, something in his skill or skill set, look at th kid in new york, w was it yahoo! bought out his company, and he is worth a half trillion dollars right now. i am wondering, i know these guy all geniuses o they are close but they understand this stuff, they understand how to do circles around you. who els has that information, thats my fr? >> way me people than you know, including these companies. this was already outsources

because -- if the government did this, wond the couldn't thhy do. couldn't they have messed it up more than this. neil: they didn't have to just order it a give it to us. >> government can do this better without pvate sector, it the getet loosehether it is leaked or not that is nature of data on-line, and dates, almost 100% never securing, every company gets h hacke >> i tnk thisome h mainframes in the final days. >> i don't thi it is government versus private sector, this is where we're headed. we have to be prepared for it. privacy does not exist, for almost any of us, and n for high security. neil: that is you kids! you are destroying us. when i was your age! >> get offy lawn! neil: get off my lawn!

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