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show.com. have we'll have another great tv show next week and next. gerri: thank you for oining us. tonight on "the willis report." %-veterans waiting for benefits. one of our heroes is hre tonight to share his story. and young amics saying no to credit cards. d new concernssfor young athletes. we are watching out for you tonight on "the willis report." gerri: we will have th latest on o military veterans waiting
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yearfor veteran benefits. fit, it has been six months since the massacre at say hook elementary school in newto, connecticut. today, victim were remembered and theyopen their hearts and wallets over $1500 to help thse victims and families. we have been following what happened to thatmoney. tonight over $10 million has still not been given out. nearly all of that it held by one charity in particular. with us now is a spokesman r the family. >> very small percentage of it. they are still trying to figure out the best path forward for how to distribute the money.
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i represent a coalition of milies going back to columbine and weare saying that that money was given by a very generous american public and it was intended to go to them. together we are standing and saying that th is exactly what should happen. >> here is what hapened. americans we vy generous. they gave him $15 million to many charities. but the biggest one, the one thatas the lion's share was united way of western @%nnecticut. after the tragedy, that partular charity sat back and decided to create am kind of foundation to put this money in. they studied the issue, all of this going on over the st six months. that seems to me likeit's a lot of time to be waing for this moy to be distributed. >> it certainly is. is actually one of the longest distributions that w have seen.
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a lot of time the money is spent off to a separate organization and the pals are put together. the challenging part is that there are people who specialize in this veey painful process. the who know how to do this. the presumption that is completely ut of the depths and how to handle this kind of situation can figure this out on their own. the fact that they are not a failing themselves are the lessons that have been learned by other communities that have gone thrgh this. it isunfortunate. we are saying that we should bring in this to come in. boston has argued on the. >> lete justsay that the folks i the boston tragedy, which haened recently, the are alady starting to get
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money. i hink that certainlyor foreign newtown pele, that has to breally discouraging out there. karen, responded it. foundations say they have done nothing wrong. but they aren full compliance. what do you say. >> i would say how do they know that. if you look at their website it is going to meet the long-term needs of the community whenn you go to their wbsite. there is only one way to donate. you cannot say that i would like my domitian go to the victims or i would like it to go t mental-health services forhe communy or to build a memorial to plant trees or build playgrounds. there is no way identify what those in attendance.
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they are seen as a coalition of victctims, that the amrican public is responding with their hearts in reaching out to the families. >> okay, i need you to respond to a couple of things. unfortunaly they have put out mid messages. first was hat they were going to get $4millionof the $11 million to the victims. and they retracted that an aching back and said, we were going to ive 7 million to the victimss when you ask the question of how did you come up with a number what happens to the interest is being earned on that money. what happens to the wave of giving that is going to happen right around six months timeframe. what will happen will probably flew into the community. local happen at.
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gerri: now we are going to set up a distribution committee and there ar 40 families involved in this. there are $11 million. >> it is not quite that simple. the 40 are divided into three categories we have tw who suffered physical injury and survived. and we have 12 who were in the classrooms a escaped. there were different levels f injury. so you need t have someone who has experience in this. a victim compensation specialist who can come up with a formula on the degree of injury and how to parcel out and distribute the money. >> it isll really complicated. but you are sitting re six months later. the only people who have seen this are the people running the
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charity. no o is doing anything. the attorney general is asking for action. theharity itself is saying that we areaking allthe right moves. but at is nothing to see here what if something is something would happen. when are peope -- american were generous. o do they want to help? the victims. that is not happeninhere. it is just not right. do you see this coming down the pipe anytime soon? >> i wish i could say that i did. but the victims don't. we are at a deadlock and frankly there needs to be a wave of al qaeda. the governor has waiting. thirtyight and 40 families have said that they want a third party to come in nd determine how to distribute the money. >> in lieu of the distribution
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pal instead of the distribution panel. >> i just hope that something happens for tthose families. i know tatou do as well. please come back soon and tell us what is going on. ithnk that it is very interesting. >> thk you. >> we will invite the governor or the attorney general or whever it takes. this is the end. >> i cnot agree more. thank you for calling your attention o tis. we really apprecia it. >> thank you for coming on. >> thank you. >> going on in newtown, connecticut is just on example in a terble world. we rectly talke about america's worst charity. if you miss that segment, go to gerriwillls.com to find a list. and and family say that they gave money tsome of these loser charities tha ent pennies on the dollar to those in need. it's up to you to ceck out th
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charities. also you can see my pics on jt how to do that. we have more to come, including some must-have gadgets for your summer vacation. more young peop ditching their credit cards. what you should be looki for in asked.
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want more outrage tonight for our nations brave men and women who are coming home to a bureaucratic nightmare. the government organizaon claims disability benefits are mired in ontroversy and veterans wait soetimes years to wait for theprocess. meanwhile, the government is@ raking in bonuses a working for unions.
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robert, thank you for coming on the sh. it is an honor and we appreciate can you tell us about your story trying to get the benefits that we promised that we would give you? >> well, it is a very disheartening story. it can only be described as a breakdown of ptsd. i fed forompension benefits at that time. i waited until may of 2013 to receive the benefits. i waited 33 months for the entire process to go through >> did you get those benefits because they got you by that point? or was it because you'reaking a lot of noise? >> believe it was because i was talking about it publicly. i went to the baltimore sun nd they ran an article. within about two weeks i had
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partial completed. so really i think they play a game of whack him wth. gerri: that is not right. that is not how theeclaims should be. we were hearing last night really scary stories about these claims filed on paper. theyet lost. theyre put away somewhere where no one can find them. it is shocking. 850 veterans like yourself, some of them waiting more than 125 days. most of them 565,000. what should be done here? >> it is a compex issue quite fraly i am calling on the president to get involved. congress has been involved in
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this. they have been throwing a lot of moy at this situation. so something mu be done and it must be done immediately. >> the budget has only gone up. >> i think the budget goes up something like 40% since 2008? >> yes >> tell us aboutour experience in the military. tell the world what you did last. >> okay. i spet 20 years an i retired in 2007. i ge multiple deployments. my last deployment was in iraq in 2004 and 2005. itwas hit aout 160 mes over the ti that i was there.
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in addition to having no safe haven due to the mortars and rockets, we would go after insurgents trying to attack the base. so it was a very tough time and there were a lot of really god people and i did my best to make everything hppen that make peop safe. then i come back from iraq and come back to this quagre of red tape and it really is a disheaening suaon. >> did you feel likeou have support? gerri: were you expeing and what did you see? >> i definitely had the support of my family. escily for someone with psd there wa something very seriouy wrong with me. i think that the va, they are
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%-this pont. well enough at somehow and someway, we cannot keep throwinmoney at the problem in thinking that's going to fix that. we cannot keepthinking that we are going to fix it inthis way. it has to be done in a continent away. especially in working with the veterans as well. >> we cannot fail people like you. we have to serve you because you served us. >> i appreciate that thought. i think that it is something that needs to be thought of through the veterans affairs and in congress and by the president as well. when the vetera ce homome from injured emotionally or otherwise to and we cannot leave them out there. we cannot let them said, like i
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did, for 33 months wondering what is going on this syste why won'they answer, wante toy what my benefits claim is. quite frankly, i just wanted them to a balance the fact that i had ptsd and waited months within to do that. gerri: a little. well, thank you for your serve. we appreciated. master sgt. k you for coming on the show. we appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you very much. gerri: unbelievable story. 851,000 veterans stillaing. this shocking new trend ang our nations and people, ditching credit cards. at they're turng to instead is causing alarm a costing the money. joining me now, consumer education president for smart what is going on? >> yeah. i'm not sure if this is gd or bad news to beequite honest th you. on one hand you have yng people who are using credit cards lesn ere for staying out of credit card debt, which is nice. the oblem is that they're going to use plastic.
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as a fact. so whatplastic of the using? in my mind there are two reasons that are causinghis trend of downward usage. one is the card applications to of the card act which made it more difficult for people under 21 to get a edit card because now they're required to either have a job or a cosigner. nuer two is the incredibl aggressive marketing of the prepaid bit card which is starting in people and minorities as an alternave to credit cards. gerri: well, it -- >> is causing the trend. gerri: let's talk about the prepaid debit card. uni have done this before. were not big fans. tell people why. >> and not a big fan, and it's for couple of reasons. first of all of marketing is clause that is honest. they're suggesting that ppaid debit cards are a better alternative than traditional checking accounts, less expensive than traditional checking accounts because yo don't ha to pay overdraft fees andhey do, in fact, help you establish an bill credit histy.
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none of that is actually true. a prepaid debit card i what is called a storedalue card, which means you loveoney into the card itself. it is us sitting in the count ywhere like a traditional the card. did you have to pay fees to use it , either a monthly fee to match at&t's, a paper statement fees, live customer service fees. they just go on and on. gerri: we don't have enough money for them.@ >> this is fet use myoney, and i don't like paying that. people always get angry. that is at least the bank's money. this is e to use yourwn money. gerri: which is what is so insulting about it. pay to use your own money. just car cash. it aa this issue, and that think this is something people get hung up on. banks are expensive, charging mohly fees for your checking account. what is the advantage of having a real relationship with the bank if you're young perso >> first off, it's a fact that
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banks charge fees. they are for profit ornizations which is one of the ways that make mey having said that, if you are creative and willing to buy a little bit of research into choosing the bank and that type of account if you have with th bank, that is aually not that hard to find out see-free checking relationship. this rumor, thatt ione is absolutely not true. aot of people to give -- a lot places will offer you a free checking account. having a relationship with the bank is not a bad thing. you have access tod knows how many atm machines. your money is short. it is nice to have a relationship when you want to borrow money to buy a house or finance and education or by car orredit card or you have completely fraudrevention guaranteed because o federal la it is actually not a bad thing to have a relationship with the bank, yet we demonize them as if they are evil simply because they charge these.
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don't complain about it. avoid them. gerri: listen to this. young people banking 45%, prepaid cards, chhck cash, pawnshops, palin's. the worst of the worst. some of this is le -- not the lastst thing y want your miennial too. >> since we love touantify this, will quantify it for them. the average intert rate on a credit card, the worst thing in the world to my credit card is above 50%. annualized interest you pay adipate a loner pawnsholondon it i over 100 percent. compare those numbers. gerri: well pledge. very well put. >> havee a greaa weekend. gerri: you as wel well, later in the show, a form professiol soccer player has to mornings for those parents and kids who py sports. and a series oftops and starts to the u.s. open as rain has
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been a major factor between the weather and the choice. there may not beenough money made and a time pga winner is into give us his take comi . ♪
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gerri: is the usda losing green and their pick of the green for the u.s. open?
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♪ gerri: so excitin the best golferr in the world e ghered. pennsylvania, thearion golf club for the u.s. open. now, the usga has their work cut out for them as the severe storm swept in and said -- supended play.
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it will likely lose $10 million he event because of the location. here to weigh in is 8-time pga tourinner brad saxon who played his first u.s. open at marion in 81 as an 19-year-old amateur. tell us about that. >> wl, it was the most nervous i have never been in my life. e first is right on the patio, some members are literally on top of you. you can hear them staring their icedeas. they called my name. i happen to be i the group right behind jack nicklaus and in front of arnold palmer's. all of the caddy's picked me to finish dead last in the field. they have a bet every year for who will finish last. and i cannly tell you, i cannot remember hitting the first sho i birdied the first and second holes, leading the tournament ter two holes. saxon necklace ballmer. get that as one. gerri: that is a great sry. that is awesome. i don't know how you play when interest because your hands
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after shaking. and your stomach is all upset. it's a difficult to do. what d you think of the course itself? a lot of talk about this course and how it is very small. >> it is. most u.s. open courses that we plan would be on 250 acres plus. is one i just over 100. a very tight, narrow, short by todas standards. you know, you can't see the players today, they are nervous. the majors always good players more nervousani don think there is a tough tournament played in the u.s. open becae it tests of parts of your game. gerri: it is interesting because it is shorter and doesn't like it is aeally difficult course. they spend a lot of time on this course trying to improve it, upgraded, cnge it, and it seems to me that these guys are having a very tou time. >> they are. he looked at the leader board right now, ppil mickelson is to woer park. no one else is on the part. i am pretty sure that is round of 3-under, the only round under
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toy, and he is something that has not been done since 1992. he hit all 18 greens in regulation which islmost impossible. gerri: when you look at this, we had ttat rain delay. a lot of people got upset. how does that impact the player's game? >> first of all, i disturbs your whole routine. you're used to getting a few hours before your early tee time and being prepared and ready to yell. as you saw, threealf-ho delay yesterday. some of the players did not see off untilil today for the second roun until 430, 5:00. they will finish around 21 friday. you know, phil mickelson clinton's plan and did noo arrive until 330 in the morning thursday morning a few houours before h gerri@foxbusiness.com. he end up shooting below ground. it is unbelievable. gerri: i think he was going to his daughter's graduation. >> demand is eight grade
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graduation. in 1999, he beat phil nicholson on the last poll, he says, g home. be a father, have the baby. that was demanded being born then. gei: great context. one final question because the are so many about the idea that there willake less money because youork regular people like me can go watcht. what did they choose this course? >> well, ihink it's a great question. we could talk about four hhurs it's a historic course. bobby jones completed the grand am in 1930. be hogan came back after his almost fatal car accident, 1950. have not played there since 1981 because the courses to small. it's -- i hate to say i the circus of the u.s. open, but a the stuff that goes on, the corporate tents in the space the ne for television production. and they have a second golf course with the players are using for their pctice facity and for the locker room which is about a mile away, a
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even tt disturbs the players. they are goi to new work forces. courses no one has played before. to go back to a place like that -- i'm not worried about their financial pockets either. gerri: they do okay. >>ight. gerri: they're really do. he's going to win? >> well, i think phil mickelson is a great story right now because of the way helynn. he is never won the u.s. open. i know it's on his time. this is a short game players course. yoshould see him doing some pretty good magic rightow. unpicking a guy, but nobody really knows much about him. he is an aggressive, you know, nice cocky kid that is planning to break off. gerri: i have to go was filled. my heart is with phil. i would likee to see him play well. just as our viewers out there, brad is a super, super punter, and you n see him on the champions tour.
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be sure to check him out. thank you for coming on. >> appreciate your time. gerri: appreciate avenue. we will be following you on the torque. congratulations on your recent win. coming up next, warning for parents ofids to play sports and a new law that could send you to present theext time you buy a knockout back you have had your ion. our legal panel weighs in compite will get your reaction. ♪
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gerri: a warning for our young athletes. a recent study wiping out the idea that it takes up to two weeks to recover from a concussion. children and young adults with previous concussions mayeed even longer to heal. with more on this home of former jor-league soccer player and creator of think taylor, a foundation to bring awareness to traumatic brain injury. welcome to the show and think for coming on.
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i know they you have had your owexperience with this, but i think there are a lot of parent3 out there you just don't realize whatheir kids are up against. >> no, they don't. theuestion and i am asked all the te is, do we know anything out concussions in 2013? my injury happene in 2008. tooften we hear about back in the day when the rlity isy injury happenedugust 30th 2008. my life changed forever. two things parents need to realize is that no one coussion is the exactame as another. iould fall off his cha'm sitting right here in front of the camera, get a concussion. that could be very different than yours. that's the problem with recoveries. the other is, the one injury it takes away your life is traumatibrain jur do is bring yr ankle, break your wrist, break your leg, do so many things. you can have surgery in fix it. you can't have surgery on a traumatic brain injury. if you are not aware, an
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uneducated, and you make the wrong decision after getting that initial confession make takes away your life unliving that right now. gerri: tell us abouthat happened to o you. >> well, august 30th 2008 and was playing in a soccer game, the revolution, playing david beckham and the los angeles galaxy. my family wasn town. to make a long story short the ball came in. the goalkeeper misted in boston in the face. the biggest issue was not that initial injury. i plad in next wk's, the next eight weeks never diagnosed with a concussion, never once got an x-ray of my neck, never once again mri. right now i'm in the battle for th rest of my life. permanent brain damage. have not worked t for years. have not gon to a movie other than twice as four years. and just starting to reathe books. you know, it's just the wayhat my life is now, and that's why i started thinking tailored not a word because someone needs to start talking about it. i guess that' me. gerri: you think about kids
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playing football. you think about kids playing all these boards. even soccer. running down the field bill now@ with n no helmet, nothing. and out of the survey that we have been talking about, the recovery link from concussion for kids anddults, 12 days withou a prior concussion, 28 days with sever several previous concussions. i mean, i don't thinkeople know those facts. they don't know the statistics. u yourself played for eight ople need to be aware of this. mom and dad need t s it's high-school f football. o cares. you're sitting out. >> exaly. here's the sry in our society legal -- little league baseball, if you throw 65 pitches you have to sit at a minimal ree days. we don't have the headcnt and football, at, and soccer. we are more worried about the league baseball, our society is
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more wried about a elbow i the rotator cuff. you bring up elemes. helmets stopped anything hockey and football would not have a concussion problem. is not necessarily wearing a helmet. but being educated and where, and i just don't -- it was interesting about these studies. twenty-eight day. listen. sydney crosby was diagnosed with a mild concussion. ask him how the 19 months when after he was diagnosed with a mild concussion. it's time we get rid of md. time we get rid of moderate. if you have a concussion you have a concussion. as such anger mildly pregnant. no either you're pregnant are not. gerri: very well-known. from what you're saying this has been a very tough time for him. t's educate peopl possible concussion sentence, headaches, nausea, dizziness, vision problems, sensitivityo light and sound, balance and our vision proems.
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if you are a young kid and you have one of these, you want to think about it. you want to get some action, see a doctor, set out. you can always set o. >> of course. there is this sayi thi popula. when in doubt set them out. if you haveny doubt set out. if you're wrong, your fe is not going to be what mine is for the rest of my life. you made the right decision. you missed that soccer game or that football game, but you have your brain. you only get one ticket a life, and you need your brain to do everything. right now i start a little bit because for a bad jokeor what not, and half of my brain working. gerri: you sound great to me, but i think your advice -- >> that guy you fools. [laughter] gerri: good job. thank you foo coming on. and a people leg -- eager to your that.
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♪ gerri: well, not of goods, you know what i'm talking about, the ke ones made in china, they are in high demd, evething from fake rolex watches and gol clubs to imitation gucci in prod banks. new legislaon is trying to make it a crime to buyhem. fox n legal analyst and atrney join me now with the details.@ this is a fascinating story. we will startith you. less talk about what will happen to me if i am down on can street by my faithag. >> ifou buy a fake dagen baup is there, they can run you into jail for up to year and charged with thousan dollars fine f that's just because your they're buying something. we as consumers, ar't we allowed to buy will we want to buy? and you'll rrallget into the mind setdo i know what i'm going after the get the purse, not know anything about fashion. gerri: it looks nice.
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you don't understand canal street is canal street. >> i just get a good deal. gerri: all right. let's here from new york city council woman who is proposing this legislation. here is what she says. here is wha you want to penalize these consumers. people think is an adventure. it's always illegal for people toell, but not illegal for the people who buy this stuff. hopefully this law will cut down demand. >> i don't know that it ll cut down on demand in terms of people not goi to stores, but the purpose of it is to really reach below the surface, meening when you g on the street and you see somebody sell something at a table, you don't have to be a genius to know they're not pang rent, they didn't have a lot of overhead. so you already know there is an intent to try to get around something. when therice of the bag is one-tenth of what is in the store, you heo know someing's up. also not a victimless situation. people making those products working in sweatshops that are underage and workingelow
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minimum wage, work i buildgs that collapsed. >> that's a good point, but then go for the people were selling it to. gegerri: and of having a proble. >> prosecuted some of these counterfeit gs, but you're really going to go out to this nice little 70 your lady in from kansas, i get a great deal on the bag. you're going dollar into jail with everything else we have goingn? gerri: the reality, let's say yore on the streets. we have one of these guys s u on a card table becausehat is what it is. you see thisittle old lady come over my purse. well, if they go after her, that guy will be gone in 20 seconds. is h coming back is the question. have you stopp it? >> note. >> all laws are based upon deterrence. you want to try to deal with behavior and stop it if it something that's problematic. the proem is, this is not going to be passed as a lot to
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prevent crime. it will be something like a parking tict. >> bloomberg you wan to regulate the 32 oz of soda doesn't want thiso be the prosecuts don't nt this. go after the biguys. gerri: a thousand dolrs, we get maybe 100 people a year. now we're talking some dicit the. maybe this is the way to raise tax revvnue. [laughte >> the g general reality is you will have criminal record, up prosecutors taking time away from more serious cmes, police taking time away. people canive tickets. it will give you a ticketf you have to pay a fine like a parking ticket and say you did note. there will be all of those issues of enforcement. bottomine, lik i said befe, it isot that simple. what about the fact that the people tha put energy io making the real procts, they cannot hir gerri: now you're getting to my issue, wch is these wen who are not making a million dollars
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a year. they're spending thousands of ddars on designer handbags >> this i do not know. i do have a rl coach bag, but i have hadt for ten years. on bag, that's it. gerri: and you did not go to jail for it. >> i did not. >> coach just got up lawsuit against a major counterfeiter and won a lot of money. the person in the street, it's hard to stop them from buying it. that's what this is about. gerri: last word, brooklyn district attorney bureau chief, my 70-year-old mother would not know the difrence. what you prove what she knew. >> you cannot go inside the intent of someone going enceinte, and just got a good deal. >> buying someone from a card table. gerri: its new york city. all right. we won't go there. thanks. great job. always good. now we want to know what you
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think. here is our question. should people who buy imitation handba be jled? log on terriwillis.com, vote on the right-hand side of the screen, and we will show results of the end of the show. unbelievable. and we come back a look at some of the hottest ggets tha you should bring with you on your wait until you see this. ♪ @í0x;ñt
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♪ gerri: well, the best zmos for travel. witho many high duties?
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♪ rri: it' summer time. ignore the weather, hit the beach, take a trip, or just relax in the backyard. there are some great electronic gadgets to take with you, but with s many of their it's hard to decide which ones to take.
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how do you do that? with u now, travel expert mark murphy. we hav some cool stuff. stuff that i have not seen before. tell us about this is called the go pro year-old. >> we use is on location. just in ecuador shooting. they strapped it to me. a sh of the ground as i flew in like superman 500 feet above th ground. now -- gerri: a video camera. >> hi beth, superigh-quality. that is fromo pro. you put it on surfboard you have a wireless connectio you can wires to transt the same time. gerri: a that is not cheap, butt is pretty darned cool. >> oh, yes. gerr this amazing. >> thiis me. you take this and stick it in your pocket. a blue to wireless speaker. you can stream and listen to ur music anywhere you go. if you get a phone call, you justush the top and now you
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have a speakerphone, almost like a conference call. really nea allied is a lot because you enteain yourself but you can al take businessalls. gerri: $49. >> boom u.s.a. gerri: absolutely. what i like about this is you can throw it in your bag and it is really small. i am used to this. why not? >>ell because it is father's day this weekend. coming in withn extra $20 off and 79, but the really upgraded its of the use o a frost facing camera. wi-fi, down love movies, l's netflix. i mean, to me this is an entertainment center. gerri: you know wh i would do? and put my guidebook on it. a city or town, i would be able to get all the info that ieed. the brush. >> inow you are really a frustrated artist and art. what you can do with this is take this. 's a paintbrush. like that. a digital paintbrush.
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so now you take it, dowoad a painting. the star painting. and you can really have some fun. and the best part about it, no finger-pointing, no ms. gerri: that's perfect. the kids born in the backseat, $40. you're done. >> exactly. this is neat. $39.99. you can go pick it up and it is easy to throw in your bag. gerri: yes. you don't have to have a lot of space. now we have all monitor. >> any that for my wife. anyway. [laughte gerri: thank you so much for coming and telling uabout it. cruciate your time. >> we have here, this goes inside, but they have oncehe go outside. wh you're t traveling, mmksure everything is okay. gerri: appreciate ur time. weave no time. we have to leave. [ larry ] younow throughout history,
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gerri: a quick programming notes. we know isession friday. we just ran at a time. we will bring you this tory later this month. finally tonight, many of you at home keewriting in saying it is time to abolish the irs. as the scandal list just it's longer and longer, you couud be on the something. another treasury inspector general report shows more than 1,000 irs employees or misusing their government credit cards. what's worse, no one was getting in trole for it. the misuse of cards include someone else using it for nonofficial reasons, not paying on time, and buying things from an unauthorized merchant. using credit cards, spending $50 million on conferences, targeting conservative groups. like i said to my think your on to something. that'sy "2 cents more." and that's it for tonight on "the willis report." tha you for joining us. don' forget to record the show if you cannot get his life. emigrate knight commander will have that in fashion later in the month. ♪
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♪ ♪ >> tom: the scandals are flying. every day a new revelation in the name of o safet, has the government gon too far? let's begin talking about what to do with the leakers. edward snowden right here and right now. >> tom: thanks foroining us. here at the top of the stack. everyone by now has heard ed snowden. at first he was at any rater to i wanteding in washingn but hero to many people across the country his first revelation was simply that government is spying on us, its citizens. will that change as we

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