thht is coming tomrow. odbyy. ♪ >> still coming across by the hundreds and thousands john: iilegal immigration is down but people stl sneak and plexuses a pretty good-sized told. i am dissing this. >> it does not matter how high offenses. john: we need to seal our borders. >> god our borders,rotecting the homeland. >>llegals steal american jobs. john: if immigrants are such up problem what is cada's immigration by billboards in america. >> we willake it. >> the fight of the american dream. that is our show tonight ♪

>> and now john stossel. john: my parents were born in germany and could not find work in europe,,so tteyame here to amera, people around theorld amera is the dream. as a libertarian i say, let people come, let the man. tre should be free trade a labor as well as goodsnd services because that leaves everyooe more free and rich. except how c you let everyone and if some of them want to murder arrest? and since america is a welfare state, someone to come here. america's answer has been, well, we will let some pple in legally, but we should seal the border to keep undesirables out. we recently spent billions to put up the giants' offense the mexican border. w is that working out? special corporati -- special correspondent just went to the soutrn border with califoonia assemblyman a former member of the minutem

, one of the volunteer groups thattarted their own border patrol's to try to help stop illegal immigration. >>aught beeen two vernments. so many politicians pontificate. john: the border fence to not cover t old border. >> as smart smuggler is not going to go to where the security is. he wl take the weak spot. john: lots of weak spots like this and guard tunnel that led him what t mexico. >> you are in mexico now. you're in violation. john: even where there was fans, people vetiver. they bring ladders le this on we found lying right next to the ns', the cut holes in the fence. this o has been passed, but it does not matter how high fences if you can cut holes in it. john: many illegals are caught

sneaking through, they are sent back to mexico, many media the snk back to america. is where the jobs are, this man says >> ne, two, three,our, five times. john: four years lat, fewer cross illegally because the mexica economy has doneetter. we build bigger, stronger fefences. john as the border patrol now we are here? >> oh, yes. john: an hour later they showed up. >> filming a segment. i intend donald -- ten donnelly. john: after that the left them alone. once more fences. >> is thisour ideal fans? >> this is good. it forces people who want to smuggle something to go to a high point where l-enforcement border patrol agents can easily see they have been interdicted. we ought to secure it. jo: a problem with the current fans. >> here is this biggeffective

miti dance. impervious, scalable. then all the sudden it just hands. this right here is absurd. >> despite the billions we have spent, there are still lots of balls in the fence. especially the older part. >> this looks like a pretty good-sized already your. >> this is an arerea that whave volunteers who came downith a welding tra and wl that up thes holes. i mean, it is patchwork. >> i'm touching mexico. john: not that hard to get over the fence. drug dealers build ramps. this car happens to g stuck. kennedy found it was pretty easy to climb the fence. >> you could totally get over this. john: in fact, there were >> pointy. >> easiir to crossrom the other side.

jjhn: thank you for going there and clearly there are problems with both sounds. but pponents o the wall say, hey, this deters people. this keeps a lot of people out. >> not really because there are only 33 percent of the border th is actuall protected by some kd of fencing. as you saw, -- john: suspe at downtown every 2,000 miles in the mexican border. >> just the southern border. john: the other part is hder to get to, mountainous. >> it is mountainous, boris. there were holes all over the part of t fence that we saw. arizona, texas, you're going t see the same thing. it is the -- chain is only as strong as its weakest link. the chain is only effective as pistol. john: this is the age of cool, amazing technology. i would think with drones, the caras, president bush found it a virtu fans. >>e did promise a virtual

fans, but it was costly, still reires a lot of border patrol manpower. hn:he give up on it. they did. it was costing billions of dollars. the gao, a general accounting office issued several skating reports aboutheirtual fans because it w a boooggle, too expensive and it was enough time to work and still require just as much if not more manpower. john: they could snd more,ut most of the people who sne in the couny now, 40%. >> forty to 50%. forty to 50 percent of the people like him into this country and stayed illegally are here on sdent visas. john illegal vas and then just she was there already in the country. >> they ng out and stay past their sa stamp date. john: all wall does notolve the problem. than you. currently congress is working o. many people are optimistic that there will come up and it , but an agreement and a easier path to citizenship.

i, for one, up they do. many conservatives are nervous. for years they wanted moreone about thht stream of people crossing the border. >> we nnot shuthat off unless we build a fence and a wall. i want to put all wall in. i designed one. >> a little bit of wire on top to provide. put a letter there. @% can also electrify this wire. the kind of current thatould not kill somebody the simply be a discouraging for them to be fooling around. livestock all time. john: immigration problem should improve, he ss. >> you can take it back now. if somehow they got their economy rking and got their laws working and in mexico we cod pull this back and just as easily as reported in. john: former presidentl candidate in colorado congressman, more security and wants other measures to det illegal immigration. congressman, thank y for joining espirito wod you do? we showed the holes in the wall3

that does not look like the answer to me. >> it isn't. and the reporter is absolutely correct when she says it is only as good as its weakest link. there are some plac where there e t at all. it is almt a joke. for the most part it is de for the purpose offand coming to thh congress andhe amerin people and saying, w spent hundreds of millions of dollars on the border. it is now sece. the fact is, you can spend hundreds of millions of dollars on the border and istill not lle secure. here is what can be done. all you have too his mandate and then enforce e-rarefy. eandated for eveey single employee. they have to simply take social security. adelle on line and it takes two minutes of the most. d.c. the peson wanting a job, let they're social security number and put it and because bat-to-bat.

i don't know what's wrong with it. thnuer is bad. if you do that, if you mandate and un fce to importanthings , e-verify. most of this problem goes away. you say enfor. hn: meaning that somebody would punish the business that hires someonene without using e-verify. >> correct. or if they use it, even if they use it and still hire a pers wrong social security numr, that could be a violation and after enforcit. john: this sounds very appeing. just one computer database where you can check. but y are a conservative. you don't trust the government. why would you trust them to run e-verifyorrectly? >> well, right now about 250,000 businesses use it. they use it on a voluntary basis. it ia relatively easy thing to do.

we require businesses to do all kinds of things in tms of hiring practices. this isrobably the eas step in the process. a sime entry into a database. right now is le 98 percent accurate or better. john: think about that, 98 percent. 98 per accurate sounds pretty good. and it a gao aud into dozen 11 found it was even better. 99 percent auracy. t that means about 450,000 people who are legit g flagged as illegal. that is awful. >>irst of all, they don't get the job is t issue. you know what, this is not 100 percent. its not 1 percent.

@%t it just depends. uant an answer? that is my question. you actually want to do something about it all would you rather have, as you said, labor force that is affted only by markets? dend. people come. e wwge rates and lowed because they're is lot of demand. so be it. john: what's wrong with that? >> well, what is wrong with it? okay. how abouthe millions of americans whose wage rates are depressed and/or the people who are displaced. of consumers would like it,utt the worrs are oing toe negatively affected. john what about the americans to do have just because their work for gloria w were t these businesses created by emigrants.

>> let them keep working. immigrants, we are not tryin to stop eve immigrant fm coming to the country. why not take in that we need desperately, people coming in with capital toctually do exactly what you said, invest in business. people cing in with skills3 th we need. right now we don't need a lot of people with low skills and low wage rates. they are just not necessary. john: i'm going toalk later in the show about e onbe visas which is for skilled workers. you cald them fraudulent. >> they are. john: h1 be visas were originally designed fo the rson that has unique underlying -- uque qualifications nowhere else in the world can w find that person. that it -- that is what it was designed for. john: nowhere else in the wld? >> yes. i'm sorry. no one in the united states defined person withhat qualification.

what it has turned into unfortunely,gain, a lot o the oddesthatou referred to earlier have identifd the problem. they're w being used to bring people in who have skills but will work for less than people who are presently employed in the united states. john:eople inmerica are just as skilled and could take the people from india, the computer engineers are notette >> in the of the institutions of higher education. are you really not tning out anybody that has tse particularkills? it will tell you all the time that they are, but they are in direct up -- competition. john: a lot of the graauate students are from chinand india. they arekilled, but they're not americans. we bring them over and give them a college education and then put them out. >> that's right.

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♪ john: feeling one of these? cleaning our studio floor. the company that made iwas started by a immigrant, one of thousands. we allowed some skilled entrepreneurs in. and that is why we need let moreoreigners into the u.s. e consumer electronics association. so, your group runs this massive @%ow in las vegas were all of these tech entrepreneurs sho off this stuff. you can really see the emigrant? >> absolutely. 3,000ompanies that are extending to 150,000 peopl from around the world. many are pursuing the american

dream. they havan ideand now they can getunding to partnerips, retail and media coverag johnthey come here bause they wanto network in silicon valley and stuff happens. >> absolutely. i go around the world and every one step the like america because we're the bes in the world. detracted best and brightest. every country should have a strategy nd immigration we lost ours. we set up our borders, and it's hurting as. john: what do you mean we shot of our borders? from coming here.aging people very difficult. when they become students they get eir pcs an we ep them out. is a crime. john kicking them out as the weirpart. we pay for their education. help the pay for it. and then i know we have these h1b visas where we let high-skilled pple and, 85,000 year >> we need more bause that allocation buildup in a few

days. john: a few days. >> if you days. in the long run is a specialized jobs that cannote filled by americans which is why companies are lking for thousands of people which is why they go invest overseas between the tax laws and the immigration laws. forcing our best ompanies higher overseas. jo: we have american engines to could do these jobs. >> we have some, but not all engineers and software people of the same. thiss like the deficit i the nba and high-school basketbalal. america is a land where hibitionism stands out. we want the best and brightest. we want top from around the wod. e rest of the wor use to come here. australia, canda, new zealand, europe they're all saying we will go after the best and brightest. $7 billion per year to research and american universits. a lot of that is done by foreign students in science, technology, engineerg, math.

jimmy kick them out when they get a ph. john: on that note, give us some of these. these quotas mit the number. complex, so much so that canada is paying for billboards li this one. have h1b problems? pivot to canada. the immigration, even went to california jury chris meyer workers. >> they need immigration lawyers to figure out how keep their status will they're trying to start a business and create jobs we give you a green card to take a few months to process that. jo: sometng cald the start of the sow with the applicant 200,000 from a canadian venture-capital list. 75,000rom a canadian angel investor group. if he can speak french or english y can go to canad >> tse aremmigrants better jo creators. that is an iortant thi to remember. we are the most heterogeneous company in the boroughs, our diversity, dferent points of

view that give us that edge. compared to asian couries we everyone agrees. they lack innovation. the chinese have a goal. but they are not -- that is part of their pla that is what they're trng to do and it is somhing which does not make any sense because what it really takes is a cuure which is why there are over 200. john: an argument? i tell y, 200,000 chinese students increasingly tender ages bause they don't know how to teach kids. we as their kids, theytart. john: in america. >> right. in chinese they do our culture is right and no laws are wrong. hn: 200,000 from venture-capital i 75 from an angel. >> easier to get venture-capital probably a policy where you don't want people coming year. it requires significant investment. john: and it is harder now than they use to be for an immigrant to statart a business.

>> chaer because so many people want to. we made it much more difficult. we don't treat people as well as ey use to. we have competition and we have higher corporate taxes. a lot of things are working against this in the long term and we have to change as a country of one to succeed because other countries now are doin will we're doing. we are not getting the best and brightest. i have seen harvard ph.d. to tes in their eyes being kicked out the country. they want to stay here and hire people and get jobs and start. john: thank y. gary shapiro you can learn more about wha he says from this book, the come ba, how innovation will restore the american dream. i sur hope the american dream is still there and does not need total rtong, what wall might to avoid ameca's bureaucracy and immigration restricons might be to start eat your own country right off of america's

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♪ john: my last guest complains it is too hard for skilled immigrants to illegally work here. so if politicians won't allow engineers and physicists then, he is anoth approach, start your own business. 12 miles off the coast of california outside the reach of american immigraonontrol. that is actually the plan of a group called bluesy, founders are max marty and dario. so wt are you going to do? >> we are creating a commumunity 12 miles off the coast of the san francisco bay area to allow entrepreneurs from all arod the world to come there, live and work on their start-ups, brand new early stage companies. john: o a cruise ship.

>> is on aruise ship that will be essentially stationery 12 miles off the coast. john: off the coast of san franciscbecause that is where the yacht to printers want to be >> this is the place where silicon valley is, san francisco bay. this is one o the best locations anywhere in the world to start and grow businesses in the high-tech sector especially. so this is the mecca for enneurs, and many have hard time coming to this awesome place that silicon valley is because o the restrictions that the place -- face. ey're entpreneurs of one to create jobs and paradoxally ey have rd me coming in. john: 12 miles off the coast you're free to do at you want independent of the goverent? >> you are oside -- legal the outse of the u.s. regulatory regime to mouse out of the federal government, things like the sec, regulations, things like that. john: ls of companies hav

expresse interest. >> more than 414 cpanies expressed -- expect interest. the demand is clearly not a problem because soany companies are frustrarated with their current regulatory regime that they're fac with the. john: and people are already giving you money? what would cost? >> you have to rent the cruise ship, paper thingthat t crew onoard,oving provisions back-and-forth. it's a prey big operation tt will costbout 27 million to be dealt and certain operations. so far we have rsed a small seed fund and a silicon valley, of 400,000 have another 9 million reserved for investors in silicon valley, looking for the remaining 1 and we are looking for the remaining 18 sets get going. john: originally you planned to

us look at the picture here, build the whole city held in the ocean. that would have bee with pilings. why did you drop that? >> the current solution is much re coseffective. e version of this. we would like to start with some more lean can achieve version that will get the job done. john: you are an immigrant. >> i am mysel. john: you went through the process. was a torture? >> actually myself i came here out of political asylum, so the process -- john year from bosnia. >> number bosnia. gracious enough to exten leases to me and my family. and asn immigrant and i can tell you from a personal perspeive that ii made a huge difference being her having an opportunity this. and it can be seen as my way of paying back that opportunity that i have been given.

basically ali enead to others. many of them are asmbitious or more so than i am. smarr than i am. so this notion of the american eam definitely something that on a personal level i believe in because that's it. john: and a you parents were immigrants. >> ty came out -- came over when castro took pow in cuba. now they themselves entrepreneurs. they have a sma medical business in miami. john: something that is different. >> i think they are a self selected bunch. a person who is aually willing to leave everything that they have, their families, go somewhere else, they want to change their lives. ere areore likely to be a person who is polk --ro-active about creating aeature for the families and lives lost to g your. >> it is important to mention that this oath country was founded by emigrants. the american dna, not just the rece ones. e who country has this and

entrepreneurial dna because of the fact that people moved. they had to leave their countries across the oceans. so i think this story has -- it is an old one. so i see myself as jt a par of it come a ctinuation of the same story. john thank you. coming up,,a debaten wheth immiation takes js f amerrcans. we touched on that earlier. next, she isnef america's coolest ung entrepreneur is. e says beingn immigrant is part of what ade her an entrepreneur. ♪ my mother de the best toffee in the world. it's delicious. so now we'veurned her toffee into a busins. my goal was to take an idea and make it happen. i'm janet long and i formed my toffee company through legalzoom. ner really thoug i would make money doing what i love. [ robert we created legalzoom to help people start their business and launch their dreams.

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♪ john: before we return to the debate or immigration, let's celebrate th scess story. 40 percent of america's biggest companies founded by immigran or their children.

apple, budweiser, cgate, ibm, mcdold's. in the high-tech field it is 60%. well, a new company may be the next monster success. i don't know, but she is already earning millions commanding a magazine called one ofmerica's coolest ung entreeneurs. >> i don't know why oneaught but i bieve that i work hd d. i like makinghings happen. john: your company is this and maetin group you advise companies. >> the marketing, full-servic maeting firm. john: and youent to sool. you came here when you were a years old. >> nine years old. john: nine years o. your father drove a cab and your mom or to attract any shop. >> my parents left very -- a very successful family busines beckm.

itorkedery hard. i wentrom having lots of family surrounding me and being gutt on to bei a latchkey kid. i was responsible fory and your sister. i had to make sure she wased, save, got off from school locate . my parents worked full-time. so whenever, as long as she was okay. that's it. john: iss alive? >> successful, driving, so i did something right. -ohn: and were you aware of your parents wook ethic as a kid? there were maye different from the parents and the other kids the school. >> dinitely. my parents worked much harder than some of the parents. there would wake up ear, come on leaded night. they were grateful to be here that they were willing toork hard, d i never saw them compin. my dad worked ridiculously long hos, but i never saw him say

this is too tough. he just kind of embrace of that was the meaning of life. john: how are you different from our american beers? @% the general sense of enttilement that my generation often gets blamed goods. a little different tha that because i saw what i didn't have. compared to what i do have. a much mor grateful thing that some of my peers in thhat it not expect anything to bhanded to me. erra when the recession hit riyadh graduated and there were no jobs in the market. certainly my industry did n exist. it took me sometime,ut i went out there an started my own thing. i ave a lot of peers who graduated with me here still don't have jobs who are living with their parents. john: they went to companies in return down. you, instead, started your own thing. you tried. went to companies and said, expandhis thingalled twitter. they said -- >> they said you'rerazy.

this is social media is a fad. it did not get. very early so we decided you really ddn't have much to lose. and as some of parents in skynyrd facile nothing and built somemething substantial. i knew it could be done. john: 30 people working for you. americans. >> yes. john: a book, the zen of socl media marketing. >> that's right. hn: zen about the constant tweeting. >> is out to work with social media. so the essence ieople want have conversations. they're looking for quality information. they're looking for customer service. looking to connect. if you work with that rather than against it with -- which i e traditional way to market. aw message out there. instead, if you really workith sociallmia, kind o look at whyhese tools are created and go with the flow, it's a much more is in like experience. john: good luck.

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john: polls show most americans aren't -- thank arroganceake ay american jobs and then som cases they d and we see ads like this. >> and other american has lost his job. another badwinner going home with the bads. last year to a half million erica's lost jobs. high-tech construction and auto workers. with millions of jobless, our gornment is still bringing in a million have borne workers a year ttake american jobs. john: that sounds terrible, and it is just intuitive. that means there are fewer job left for americans. and it really botherthese people who did found standg in line and an unemployment office is going to make worse than it alreadys. >> i'm about making it over your

first before we take care of someone ee. john: interviewing as peoe for a documentary he has made lled they come to america. dennis says too much immigration harms american. studying immigraon at theato institute and said that prevailing wisdom is cra. the more immigration the better. why? it is lical that they're take onmerica's jobs. >> not a fixed nber of jobs in the economy. the more people that we have come to an area, attracted to an area for job opportunities. was there are the create jobs by being consumerist among being entrepreneurs, having different skills than american th wk together formericans and the job market. what we see an alarmingly, and minister of american history, they come when there are jobs, n'tt there aren't . john: they create job shaking your head and leaning

aw from them. >> youou will see. those people are not actors. and there are 20, maybe 30 million more people like them to grab my hand and say please tossup what you are doing because i cannot judge job because they being given to no onceid you mention theas. unemployment rate in this cotry. americans are hurting, john. they're hurting. people re taking their jobs. >> but are they hurting bause of immigration? we into the people waiting in the unemployment l. there are no jobs of there. john: we even -- hear me out. we went around and found whin two hours, within a few block of this on a pnt of this 40 jobs, 28 for beginners. i think the emigrants try harder >> try harder t what?

wrote the hideout tnk he crossed the rio grande. you watch my films and s hundreds of guy standing in the corner waiting to g picked up to build their roofs or to put in windows wereo paint the home. meanwhile, good for them. well, the lt time i checked a lot of america, constction workers,ho want to do those jobs. >> the last line of argument only makes sense if you think people are aiability in an asset. every single point heade coul be made against having more americans. th man, and i don't begrudge him, but he is part of the think tank. we have enough thiers. if i had it taken awayall it do tank. i am out there doing. i am meengith these peopl i am going down to the border. if you saw what i saw coming ross the border, little seent the you had the frrnt was nice. it was cute, but that is our people are coming. i haveeen men with machine

guns crossing over into the united states of america with 60 people at a clip. @%u to the rightnd see a guy from the middle east. iind science. i could give you the pictures off. signs written in chinese. >> every argument he is min is an argument for increasing legal immigration in allooing people to come in through the lel system so they can get back projects and get on lfare. >> that's not true. >> i studied. >> you can study all you want. there's a difnce. >> you d't know what you're talkg about? oh, i don't? okay. i have had businesses, many of them. don't want to here about americans will work hard. >> first of all, let me finish this point. very important. john: finish your point. >> and not against immigrati. iove immigration. i hire people through vises. but they're is a differee.

we are taking to many people right now, throwing amerins under the bus. john: the same as saying i'm against the people being born. it is an anti person argument. >> it is not an anti person argume. >> having peoole come. he's ming it an anti welfare argunt. it's great if he made an anti-immigrant argumen but every argument he is using his one is the welfare state, and i am in favor. we like reality in data. agassi's 42% less. >> then make the same arguments youid. [inaudible conversations] >> you need to know more about your history. john: too much at the same time.

in the 20's people sai the irish were drunks. the italians were stupid. jewsere obnoxious. we have old ads, no irish need apply. >> what's the point? >> people have alws said these immigrants are going to take welfare. >> pointed out irish and italian. i have notnted out and that the city since i have been sittg here john: there has always been an anti-immignt aitudes. >> she works for an organization where people donate money, ls and lots of money. a very rich people. but i and a stand that americans right now are hurting. they are hurting because they cannot fd js. i'm not saying stop all immigration. and sank in a swdown. catch our breath, get americans baak to work. let's make sure tha george kane does n have to save you from a building. >> one of the main arguments

made by the founders against king george is that he a the illegal immigration to the couny. americans founders sought emigration as a promise that anyone could come here john: hding the declaration of independence. you can get them freed. thank you. withthat in mind i should say that i would not be here today. todaday's immigration laws are n effect when my parents came here. that is next. ♪ clients are always learning more to make their money do more. (ann) to help me pn my next mo, i take scottrade's free, in-branch seminars... plus, their liebinars. i use daily mark commentary to improve my strategy. and local scottrade officeguig plus, their liebinars. i useery step of e way.tary to improve my strategy. because they know i dot ade likeverybody. i'm with scottrade. (announcer) scottrade... ranked "highest in customer le

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♪ john: i sure hope that congress is new emigration proposal will do some good because whenever you think t rules should be, it is not good for arica wn llions of people liv here ii secret. that means they don't report crimes to police, often don't pay taxes the neighborhoods where lotof peopleave no papers, it's easier for criminals toide their let's bring the illegals outf the shadows. in saying that, though, i contradict one of my heroes, the grea economist, milton friedman who once said of mexican immigrion, it is better if it is illegal because as long as it is illlgal for people to come, th don't qualify for welfare andocl security. they migrate to jobs which raises a contradiction that we libertarians face. i believe in open borders when products and ideas a people are free to move every where.

the whole world benefits. during america's first hundred years openmmigration helped make america rich. now arican is a welfare ste. some people do come here just a free love which i a big probl 7 billion people on earth and most of very poor. in some emigrants want to kill us which is a bigger problem. we need rulesand border control. t policing illegal immigration would be much easier if we did t have so many laws and such restrictive laws. if ten or 12 million people a here illegally, how could authorities possibly focus o the ones we should worry about? let's lighten up on the rules, he's the immigration quotas. my father was an immigrant to came here from germann bause he anted to work and did work. he eventuall built tell-all factory that employs 100 people making tells like these. he was good for america. odds are he would not be able to

me here t. the rules are much more complex an difficult. people say foreigners should just get in line and come here legally, but that line is brutal reason magazine caron tries to illustrad. my father only had to pass a tera ttst. now a computer programmer from india will have to wait an average 11 yearso get a visa. for others the rules are even more complex and the wait longer. this website asks you questions to determine if your answers would be allowed t america today. i answer them from my father and learned there is no ps for people like h, except the lottery whe the odds are really bad. no wonder so my people sneak to america. but creating a blackkmarket i people makes problems worse. people want to come here to work. we ought to lethem.3 immigrants are people with the ambition to my guts to leave their homes, to pursuehe american dream.

there are special peoe, and we should let most of them in. that is our show. thank you for watching. ♪ ne. gerri: thank you for joining us. tonight on "the will report." %-veterans wting for benefits. one of our heroes is here tonight to share his story. and young americans sayi no o to credit cards. and new ccernssfor young athlet. we are watching out for you tonit on "the willis report." gerri: we will have thelatest on our