show if you cannot watch us live. have a great night and we will see record tomorrow. ♪ lou: good evening, and thank you for being with us. the world has been waiting for several days for president obama and the russian president to sit down in a 1-on-1 meeting of the g87 in belfast and to discuss their differences over syria. president vladimir putin publicly criticized president obama's decision to arm the syrian rebels as reckless. today's meeting had been seen by many as a hopeful opportunity for the two leaders to resolve their competing and conflicting foreign policy goals for the region and syria. instead, both presidents effectively threw up their hands at the conclusion of their

meeting and agreed to disagree. >> we do have differing perspectives. we share an interest in reducing the violence and resolve the issues. so we will continue to work on the potential of follow-up. lou: theerussian president echoed president obama's comments saying, our opinions do not coincide, but we have the intention to stop the violence and solve the situation peacefully, including burning parties to the negotiation table in geneva. this after vladimir putin vowed to keep the rebels away from the negotiating table of the weekend, also warning it will not accept the imposition of a no-fly zone over syria. the russian foreign ministry

spokesman ahead of the meeting called such a move unproductive. the united states envoy confirming earlier today that such a no-fly zone is not now on the agenda. the issue of a no-fly zone is not on the table. whether it will be tomorrow or some other day, i don't know. it is not there yet. saudi arabia has decided to help arm the rebels with anti-aircraft weaponry and the latest poll gives considerable evidence that this country's citizens want no part of yet another conflict in the middle east. a brand new poll shows 70 percent of americans now oppose the united states and iis allies sending arms and military supplies to anti-government groups in syria, many of which have loyalties to terrorist groups..3 the united states and russia are looking for a peaceful political solution to end the carnage. many roadblocks remain in the

way of the geneva-based conference to negotiate an end to the 2-yeer civil war that claimed lives of more than 90,000 syrians. fox news senior white house correspondent has our report. >> get a pass doral golf course in northern ireland leaders of some of the world's richest nations gathered for an economic summit. the bloody fighting in northern syria dominated much of the private conversation. between the u.s. and russian leaders, there were common goals belittle meeting of the mines. >> we do have differing perspectives on the problem, but we share an interest in producing -- reducing the violence, securing chemmcal weapons and ensuring that they %-subject to proliferation.ey >> the day before with british prime minister camera and saying that the syrian leader must go.

[speaking in native tongue] >> i believe one does not need to support the people who not only kill their enemies, but open up their bodies to meet their intestines in front of the public gaze and cameras. >> in principle all the leaderr support another round of syrian peace talks in geneva, but the rebels said they will not attend unless the leader a greece to step down. but the u.s. and russia are threatening to raise the ante, neither has actually delivered the more sophisticaaed weapons and defenses they're promising. meanwhile, a report that's iranian fighters are going to be sent to a syria. we're going to send light weapons. it supported a no-fly zone in the past, but u.s. military officials saa the air defenses would make it a much more difficult proposition and it was in libya. >> all these maneuvers around the no-fly zone and the humanitarian corridors, the first sign of disrespect for

international law. >> at a speech mr. obama suggested his own success could be a model for companies like syria. >> the proof of what s possible because hope is contagious. >> this seemed unlikely he would respond, and some republicans suggested he is preaching to his own choir. >> it seems to me they have a great media strategy. they don't have a great syrian strategy. >> actually, the president's aides suggested the rest of the regime can stay on. my biography is more interested in stability and protecting him. lou: thank you very much. fox news senior white house correspondent. for more now on the differing perspectives, we welcome fox

news middle eastern terrorism analyst. general thomas mcinerney, a retired u.s. air force general, fox is military contributor. we thank you both for being with us. let me begin with you. that was quite a display today. the white house had been rather oblique at best. opaque about what the president's position on syria was unttl after the meeting. this meeting amounted to what, as they declared they had differing perspectives and agreed to basically disagree. >> well, that is what they have done in northern ireland. the attitude on the ground is different. on the grounding of a very aggressive the syrian regime we have an introduction by the iranian, full-fledged iranian direct support by hezbollah across europe. on the other hand, and unstoppable penetration of the opposition.

the only group with whom we can partner is now being weekend. the free syrian army in the people of the free syrian army. as the conventional leaders have been saying, we'll have a plan. we have a step after step, but not a comprehensive strategic plan so far. lou: we are listening to senator mccain, senator gramm and a handful of others, but certainly primarily from the republican party saying that we have got to get involved. there has to be a no-fly zone. we have to start arming these rebels. it is a peculiar cacophony that is erupting in washington in support for another conflict in the middle east. your thoughts? >> well, i don't think they know what they're talking about. they're talking about supporting the general, and he is the wrong one, not the second a member of the free syrian army that was just talked about. there are nine generals in the free syrian army.

a former fox is military analyst hazmat on two occasions. they are secular. there the ones that we need to help, but we're talking about arming the wrong people. as far as the no-fly zone goes, the only no-fly zones are in the united states, over our air -ases where we grounded one-third of our tactical air. now they want to crank it up. we aren't even prepared to do this. could we? sure. but it would be a great cost to us. it is not going to happen with this administration because they do not have a serious strategy on what to do with syria and what our goals are. and that is a very worrisome thing. lou: or some command at the same time as president seems intent on marching toward a specific result that involves our support of precisely the wrong people as both you and the general

state here it is inconceivable ---well, i should not say inconceivable. it is all but inconceivable that the united states with the very same leaders that have led us to the results that the american people and even the minority would consider beginning another conflict with such failed strategies and those who conjured the strategy's in command. >> you know, it is not just beginning to -- lou: let me be clear. i was not talking about having the stomach for it. i was talking about having the good judgment and intelligence, referring to the american people to tell failed leaders, don't bother. >> that's true. you have a point. the general also has brought up a very important point. we are not yet talking to the right people. if you want to do anything about

it the maximum goal at this point in time is to bring back some sort of balance between the opposition in general without defining what is the opposition and the as side regime in the hope to take everybody to geneva with the russians are waiting not to help us and then the security council to give us the veto. so that road is not going to be a solution. the other critique coming from inside washington, from some members of congress is that we will do an all-out no-fly zone over syria without actually clarifying to the player's score allies are on the ground. the general was right when he said there are some commanders who are secular. they should be invited to washington, not to istanbul or jordan. they should go to congress in front of the american public and clarify what syria we will see after. lou: general, as you were just speaking about the no-fly zone, it gave me pause because talking

with the chief of staff of the united states air force some years ago, you pointed out to me that we have had our airpower engaged at that time it was several some years ago. now it is 22 years that we have had our airpower engaged in no-fly zones, combat whether it is in afghanistan. this has been an unprecedented, persistent use of our power and an air force that has been taken to its limits, has it not? >> absolutely, and those 22 years we won a lot of the equipment out. we have not modernized the f-22 which would be absolutely required if the russians put in the as 300 surface-to-air missile. you have to be stealthy if you're going to survive. we cut the productioo off. secretary gates did under the obama administration appears fundamentally we have 100 f-22 is that are capable of operating

in this regime. and over this time friend we have continued to draw down the number of squadrons that we have that put them in the boneyard. sequestration and through other budget cuts. so you are spot on. we have over the last 22 years, we are not the same air force that we were 22 years ago. lou: and every are deploying f-16s to jordan. i'm not entirely sure what will be the result of that. and we are looking at a continued incremental steps toward ratcheting up at least the potential for congress. we will be the outcome if we do is engage in russia and are we prepared for such a conflict? is this commander in chief prepare for such a conflict? >> i don't have an answer. what i know, what i can see, there is no strategic plan. three conditions are success to

be number one, to partner with the right people. we want to see them in washington. we need to tell the other arab states to stop funding the dis. three, we better be prepared for confrontation if we want to venture. lou: you get the last word. your thoughts here. as we watch the president's come to no conclusion in a meeting. >> well, the president wants to humiliate president obama. president obama does not understand that. he is going to be humiliated. the saudis to massey said, are finding the islamists, muslim brotherhood and other radicals in this particular venture. and so the moderates are not getting the kind of funding that they need. and we have now exposed ourselves to a combination of challenges. if we do something we're going to have to go in big time.

the american people have not been explained why we should go do this. would support that force structure to go in and try to resolve this problem. it is not a very good decision that we have left to the american people. perhaps the israelis are going to have to pull it out themselves. lou: thank you very much. thank you, gentlemen. >> thank you. lou: much more on the possibility of u.s. involvement in the syrian conflict. we take it up throughout the broadcast. stay with us. we're coming right back. the obama scandals are unending. benghazi, the justice department, the internal revenue service. at this point tricky dick and slick willie have their nicknames. now is president obama's turned with your help. our search resumes in tonight's "chalk talk." bill will, facebook, an apple,

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the bond market, the yield on the ten year rose to its just over 2%. developments in the irs scandal. irs supervisor in washington d.c. admitting she was personally involved in the viewing of some of the earliest applications for tea party groups who were seeking tax-exempt status, including dozens of requests that were neglected for more than a year somehow. her testimony to congressional investigators directly contradicts claims by the internal revenue service leaders just a small group of agents in cincinnati where the only ones responsible for the targeting of the tea party and conservative groups. and a cincinnati-based irs agent confirms pro-israel groups were also targeted -- well, treated differently from other applications that think is a way that they put it. he says, those requests were routinely routed to a unit that examines groups for potential

terrorist ties. well, the presidents of reelection team launching a 7-figure ad campaign trying to turn around the obamacare record high and popularity. here is just a part of organizing for actions first. >> what is the impact of obamacare? the truth is, americans are already seeing the benefits. seeing more seniors with wellness visits. $150 rebate from health insurance companies. lou: does that look like it was directed at taxpayers'? i'm just curious. not only that, 0fa is building its own small army of 800 summer fellows who will be tasked with promoting obamacare as it moves toward full implementation next year. republican senator and gang of

eight member lindsay gramm sounds like a democrat when he appeared yesterday on talk shows here is the senator's argument for passing immigration reform. >> if we don't pass immigration reform, if we don't get it off the table in a reasonable, practical way, it does not matter who you run in 2016, we're in a demographic death spiral, and the only way we can get back in good graces with the hispanic community in my view is pass comprehensive immigration reform. if you do not do that it does not matter who we run in my view lou: as we reported, the republican party share of the hispanic vote actually fell after president reagan signed the amnesty legislation into law in 1986. but the benefit to the republican party in passing this legislation is certainly far from clear, if not out right we will be talking with the head of the republican national committee here tomorrow evening.

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lou: welcome back. in one of our chalk talkk last week, we laid out how the obama white house, engulfed by a

scandal affecting a number of agencies committee irs come in the state department, the justice department. just to name a few. until recently the president had taken a big hit in his approval numbers and that is no longer the case. a new fox nees survey shows the president's approval rating has fallen. it is down to 44%. that is his lowest rating in more than a year. he also asked our viewers to help us come up with a new nickname for the president. in the wake of all of these scandals, he deserves something special. something to rival slick willie or tricky dick. the response has been overwhelming. we shared a number of our favorites with you last week. scary nation and obama drama. here is more that have floated in over the weekend. it is not a contest, but there it is.

we start off with barely there very. the viewer who wrote and said that sometimes the president is sucking the life out of america. number three is shocker barack obama. and blameless barack. and the great divider, the great -- you see how this can go. it gets tricky the pronunciation of some of these. the kool-aid president. the author of the kool-aid president. he says the supporters cannot

keep from drinking the kool-aid. number 10 is the lion homeland. keep your suggestion's coming. meanwhile, keep your suggestions coming in. e-mail me at lou@loudobbs.com. and a fifth straight triple digit day for the dow jones industrial. and these jittery and bestsellers. fox news's john fund and judith miller of their assessment of the man who gave away america's top secrets she knowyou like no one else.

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lou: john morton has announced that he is leaving the immigration and customs agents at the end of next month. employees us have sued the obama administration immigration agency, they were filled up with being told that they can't do their jobs and the announcement comes on the same day that federal officials had done their jobs. they carried out successful rate of more than a dozen 7-eleven stores in virginia anddin new york's long island as part of a human struggling investigation. the hiring and firing of several . apple and google and microsoft claiming that they now knew

nothing about the so-called proven surveillance program. that our but our next guest says that we have already given up control of computing platforms to the various companies under discussion. joining us includes our privacy and security over the web. bruce is a security expert enabling the trust the society needs. it is great to have you with us here. as a security expert, you probably have the best opportunity to explain why anyone should not start laughing out loud when google and apple and facebook start to talk about they deserve more respect from us because they just haven't more than a few thousand requests from the nsa and other

agencies. indeed, they are the ones that are actually taking a personal and private information and disseminating it across the web, aren't they? >> we are giving it to them. that is the way the web works. they need us to trust them with our data and our friends and our photos. but the real good news is betraying that trust. that is their business model. they try to hide it. that they really rely on us not noticing it. it definitely had a sideline. saying that the government as well as just one more thing spume i said the companies disseminated information and that they'd didn't necessarily take it. disseminated across the web.

some doesn't care what the privacy preferences are. they are going to do it they will. yet at the same time, it relates to the nsa and what other agencies have done and i find that utterly maddening that people are buying not posture almost unquestioned. >> there is a conflict of interest. these are the same types of correlations that you see in this that facebook and google and others do. thh difference is going to be the false positives. they actually show you this advertisement that you don't want to see. or maybe the same algorithms that work in advertising do not work the same way when the government tries to get them to do illegal things. >> i think there should be a higher standard and in one case we are talking about a virtual

world versus a real world and their there are accommodationn that have to be made in which we do not live. but our information and our data and some of her most private concerns have to do with us. you make a wonderful assessment and the way in which we are treated as consumers and users. and i think that you are exactly not. do you think that this will persist for some time? >> i think that it will still be for a wild. if you have an iphone and an apple computer, they invented the cloud. they are trusting that apple will protect you. all of your data, there is a lot of reasons that you do it. but you hope that their interests align with yours.

and a lot of these cases, facebook, google, you are not their customer. you are the product. so the normal customer relationship does not apply in the same way. the fact that we are increasingly the product and that our data is the product, it makes us really search for these companies, producing data that they use to sell to the government. lou: i think you make a fascinating point. but i think we have to persist in not going and extend it out as far as we can. we talk about making this trade-off about our privacy and convenience and the alignment of interest. what could be a greater alignment than the nsa in the government that is acting in our interests to protect us from terrorists. or what could be a greater convenience and to still be alive at the end of the day thanks to this broad surveillance program.

there is a certain political, if you will, a political group in this country, identifiable and really hates the nsa doing precisely what google and facebook are doing. but in each instance, the acts are almost analogous in both the alignment, as you say, of interest, and not always understood. >> this is what we need to understand. the question is what is being done and how effective is it. so we are the taxpayers, we are the ones who pay for it and make the trade-off. we need to be told how effective each program ends. there has been a lot of weaseling, they might have been affected in some ways. so we don't know how much they

cost. it is a good use of our money. it is very unlikely to be effective. this is why we need transparency and accountability and we are talking about the irs, and it's the same thing. they are doing a good thing and they need to fix it and they need to have the information. edward snowden gave us information. but what the government is doing in our name with our money. spume celerity challenging the business model in the aggregate, a highly concentrated and powerful group that could easily be facebook and apple and microsoft and others. did i mention facebook?

these are some of the intellectuals, those that include contradictions and we laid there something else. that is the politics of those of the nsa and those who are getting exercised about, you know, those who are really driving the virtual world in which we find great convenience and value. >> there are two reasons. one is that we are being shown this and it's different from being investigated. lou: that we noticed about everybody. it is almost ubiquitous that everyone is being invaded with privacy in the corporate world. but there is a narrow small

number being investigated by the government. they are not analogous in size or scale or incident. the we are going to have to pick this up. because bruce, as he said, we could talk for a long time. come back and we can continue the conversation. i think that it is a fascinating perspective. >> thank you. lou: coming up tomorrow, andrew mccarthy on the numerous scandals that now engulf the obama administration. we will be joined by reince priebus coming up as well. we will talk about what voting demographics include. we will talk about this up next. the dow jones industrials up nearly 200 points today. we will be talking with our next

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lou: a quite interesting daa on wall street. stocks selling off in a op-ed piece, ben bernanke says in on wednesday investors discriminated between it what about it is a market that we need to talk about right now? >> is how would permeate.

there are a few things that we are looking at. lou: dear ben, don't do that. let me put that down. [laughter] >> precisely. it is all a matter of the economic data. we have seen an uptick in jobless claims ever sends we saw the adjustment in may. lou: so the sun is high in the

sky and ww are feeling better. that is a positive indication and it does drive earnings higher. lou: yes, there is such a thing as supply and demand. if these companies are buying -ack shares, this is complicated . there are issues that would be there and therefore there are more dollars chasing the issues and that leads to a tendency for the market to go higher.

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lou: joining us now is john fund. as well as judith miller. both fox news contributors. it is so great to have you with us. let's start with syria. several people talk about the on backhanded by president vladimir putin. where is he headed? >> since the moment he declared that he had a red line and if the syrians actually used chemical weapons against the rebels were civilians, she is basically committing this country to military action.

lou: it is only claimed by the administration, 100 to 150 syrians killed by the saudi regime if these people don't send out more, i can see that, you know, people compare with the bay of pigs. you hang the people out to dry and you don't support them when they really needed. lou: to a limited degree it might be the case. it seems to be leaving out a important piece of information. why would they not have as high of a sense of responsibility higher than the united states. i don't understand why we are in

default. >> that is exactly right. lou: it seems like it is pretty interesting for a book. >> turkey doesn't want to do any more than it's doing. lou: how about the israelis? >> do the israelis can't? [laughter] lou: a new cnn poll showing that

approoal is down to 44%. he is going the wrong direction. it is simply an adjustable. >> it is simply credibility. have the american people -- lou: i'm sorry, that was a cnn poll. i was crediting the more ruthless foxpl >> that is part of the cnn poll. including 56% of the fox poll. the benghazi policy is protecting the american diplomats based on policy rather than american interest. this is very troubling for a president. it is this kind of thing where

it led to a complete lack of confidence in the president's lead. then president bush could not get social security through, he could not -- disaster if he would've gone through that. >> i am just saying that this t. >> if he lost his lead, he is becoming a lame duck unless he can turn this around. lou: are you going to say that he is now? >> there is an enormous reservoir of propaganda.

lou: google business from the facebook business good night from new york.our that's it for us tonight.you han >> are your favorite foods fighting you?

neil: it keeps on coming. welcome, i am neil cavuto. don't say that i didn't warn you. we learned that they were bigger and far more widespread. the reports now showing that american and british delegations were eavesdrops in one world most of these guys were spying on things at this meeting. a kind of makes you wonder what is going on in ireland at this latest meeting. we