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were put to death. their new campaigns agait all sorts of other vices. let's start with the law most all of you says good and needed. the law against drk driving. drunk dri kill her into the federal government wh a hard limit on how much alcohol you could have your blood. is it set at the right level? i asked pecialorrespondent keedy to dnk anddrive. >> we are going to g through the urse sober and then with alcohol and have you tried the drunk. >> it is my dream come true. >> under the supervision of the los angeles county sheriff's office, she had no trouble driving between cones and parking between them >>et the gaes begin. >> she drank a mimosa and then a tequila and then another mimosa. >> it is reallyhocking how little alcohol takesyou to be

coidered junk. >> kenne is not ch of a drinker. itas clear she was feeling it. john: the detective gave her the breathalyzer test. >> she was at a .043. >> am i drunk? >> no, anything under 805 is not under the ifluence. joon: but she was feeling it leaves the buzz. >> buzzed driving is drunk driving, don't do it. john: that kennedy did it, and she did pretty well. watching her driving, you would not know that she was impaired. so she drank mor. >> that was more than i ever drink in my life.

>> definitely impairment there. do you see her slan? john: this time she flunked the breathalyzer test, as ll as the walking the line tst. and when shedrove, she was a mess. >> okay, there is atone. >> there's definitely impairment there. definite she would be going to jail. >> you have sobered up. what have you learned? >> i learned thati felt more drunk than i actually was. after three drinks when i took the second breathalyzer, i felt haered. i would never have gotten in the car. i was shocked that i only blew atmuch. >> that you could be different

from normal people. you are not a drinker. >> i drink a little bit. i am definitely a moderate drinker. seven drks to be considered junk? >> we should be clear to the audiencehat the government calls a drink is 1.5 ounces. >> it would've been 4 ounces of champagne and 11.5 ounc of tequila or hard alcohol. sohat you think is one drink could actually be closer to two. when you are for dris tn, you sometimes think you have only had a couple. that is when people have problems. >> the government has limit and they keep playing with it, changing it. the pressure is always tighter and tighter. you live in los ange where they have a lot of these checkpoints looking for drunk drivers and you become skeptical. >> yes, i'm skeptical after this because i realize that it really

is drinking twice as much in some cases, they could handle a car twice as well as i could in some cases. john:checkpoint have unintended consequences. >> thedo. you are taking one horman of the street on busy holidays. but now people are using social dia to let other rivers know where the checkpoints are. some critics say that encouraging people to drive drunk, others say no, it actually tells yo. there are those o t that they do not drink and drive..3 john: let's go back to the controversy over the legal blood alcohol level d what should it be. it is currently .08 down from the earlier limit of .10. now, the fed does it is .5. the police are eager to punish drunk drivers. >> there is no way to hide it. if you drivedrunk, cops

everywhere are stepping up enforcement in tracking you down like nverbefore. >> overwhelmingly, amerins support this. but as journalist ss if we rely care about road safety and saving les, we should abolish drunk driving laws. so what? >> well, the idea is not to encourage drun driving, but the idea is to improve highway safety and make t roads safer. i think th youo that by attacking reckless driving andd not whater it was that was causing the reckless driving to begin with. my problem is saying that it should be illegal to have alcohol in yur ystem while you are behind the wheel, even if you're not doig anythingwrong. only way you can enforce that is through the intrusive measures, including having cops draw blood on the side of the road or these checkpoints.

so my point is that we should focus on thedistraction. john: the government says tt sleep deprivation can be as much of a cause or more than alcohol. also having the kids in the backseat. the gps, eating. >> my blood alcohol is .81. they are driving home at nght. they get pulled over because, you know, ty are driving at 2:00 a.m. and maybe they do a rolling stop instead of coming to a complete stop at a stop sign. basically, you know, i rui their lives in a lot of ways they cane severely impacted. you get the finenes come you he to go to alcohol rehab classes.

and then you get a person who hasn't slept in long time and may be a truck driver isn't here because of the lack of sep. do not truck driver blows a red light and hit somebody. thatevel of distraction is actually worse tha most. that person is not going to get e same sort of punishment that the drunk driver get my points that it should be the recklessness and ifyou want to tack on extra penalties because someone was drunk after you get them forrwhatever infraction they committeted, tht is anotherstory. as kennedy pointed out, whe e federal government lowered e national blood alcohol level from the minimum level to .102.18, it had been in steep decline for about 20 years i think a good explanation for that wouldbe that when groups

like mothers against drunk driving put on tse massive publicrelations campaign, saying that this is not a joke anymore. it was sor of amusing back i the day tosee someone stumbling, th were successful and ey change public advocacy about it. i think that has a lot more effect on the drop in fatalities than changing the laws to more aggressive enforcement. john: so let's bring jtgriffin into our studio. what bradl is saing is that it's workflow close to the campaign. not your law. >> no, that is not true at all. bringing down the fatalilities s actually strong law enforcement couple strong laws that are shown to bring don fatalities, especially in regard to drunk driving. what he said about it is true. highway fatalities involving

drunk drivers have llen by over 50%. that is due to stronglaws that have been worked to ass. john: i don't see how you know at. >> well, youan look at the laws that have been studied. things like the .08, the zero-tolerance. right now we have a new campaign to eliminate drunk driving, which is based on all convicted drunk drivers, support for chkpoints and avanced technology thawe think cld actually stop a drunk driver from operating his or her vehicle. he wants a test of the guys drunk d yo couldn't start the car? >>ut setimes i wold misfire ad sober people wouldn't get too dry. what the passenger is drunk?

>> the technology is being developed to focs on the passenger and the driver. it is being blamed for a third of all highway fatalities. john: drunk drivingis involved, meaning afterwards we found alcohol, but it didn necessarily mean it was caused by that. >> i think that you can look at what is happing across the cotry. can see that it a cause. we kw at when someone is active, it is one of the most studied health laws in the country in theword. we know that when someone is at .08, they are too impaired to drive. john: bradley? last question? >> those arelcohol related fatalities. that is often interchanged with drunk driving fatalities. alcohorelated just meansthat somebody involved in the accident had alcohol in her system and it doesn't necessarily mean that someone wadrunk or over the legal

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[cheers] john: i like to gamble, that is my periodic poker game. but i'd bet on all kinds of things, politics, sports, which green job will drop faser. fortunately, in my state, that kind of social gambling is legal. in most of america, organized gambling is banned. and internet gambling is banned.

as one u.s. senator p it, it is the crack cocaine of gambling. i thought they were supposed to take protections with the u.s. department of homeland security and not be involved in gabling. our next guest says that he has testified before congress on what gambling, especially internet gambling, why quiet must be banned. whisthat? >> we are not talking about it

we lbertaria issue. we are talking about fun and games. john:houldn't people be fun and free? >> i likeo play games. everyone likes to play games. that we are talking about a potential of serious and strategic and economic national securiissues. john: i think this is politicians that want to control people. how is national security at ri? >> it is the economic national security issue. widespread internet mbling would do exact what thto commodity futuresdid when they eliminated all the anti-gambling for wall street. because the debacle that whad

four years ago. widespread internet gambling destabilizefinancial systems, economic systems, it created a ge speculative bubble. it would look great for a while. but then it would all collapse. john: michelle, this argument seeminteresting to me. >> this isn't a fun and games issu i agree with that. adts should be able topend their money as long as they are not harming another person if

you look at gambing in this country, it is lesshan 1%. and even if you had internet gambling come i don't see how this could increase that much to e po of a crisis ofthe professor is talng abo. hn: the public service announcements to try to convey what john is worried about. >> i tried to persuade him, i try to help them. >> if your kids gamble, they are playing more than just games. they are more than likely to drink and use ugs. hn: give me a brek.

people already have a more adventous syst. >> to some extent, i would agree with you on that. but e way to think about tis the study showed that when you have gambling facilities, electronic gambling in particular, whh is what the study commission called new addiive gambling, ain to crack and cocine, when he put this on thintern, it will be at every school desk work best and cell phone. hn: michel that this is entertainment? ju like what is in the movie? >> there are benefits way beyond just the entertainment factor of gambling. specially especially we are talking about poker. its social, it helps you run statistical analysis. i inksome kids could benet

greatly by playing games like poker that encourage focus and strategic thnking. >> we are talking about how this is supported by the national gambling study commissn. th2006 unlful internet gambling enforcement act. with ver 80% in the house. >> i get it. the politicians don't want us to do that. and they get to use force. thank you, john and michelle. a similadebate about paying fosex. most americans say that this is bad.

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iowa and hes right said the son of billy graham the took over his father's ministry. why is he right? >> first of all god unrstands violence. hison jesus christ was naed to a tree for our sins and god understands violence. we see it all around us but in our country over the last 30 or 40 years, of violence has come into o homes in the form of entertainment. when i was growing up, was gunsmoke every time he pulled out his gun to protect life and the good guy always one but it is a far cry from the video games of today.

and then to make a glorified john: day want toan them? >> we have a constitution to do that but we certainly can tax them. and alcohol why not violence dogive the money to the people who are the victims? john: the hea of the nra ages that video games business is a corrupt industry that sells violence against his own people through vicious and violent videogames is an fantasizing about killing people to get your kickseally the filthit form of pornography? john: he is right to defend ben wright's but there is no good evidence i pushed back

to both of yo i have had the guns all my life i got my first one in nine years old. everyone i grew up with had begun. we did not shoot people. and they wt to dress lke the actor they see on tv or the video ges in therm themselves and go out and commit killings. it is sick and it is the crime our entire nation. john: no, no, no. you talk about all this stuff coming into our homes over the past 30 or 40 years. you are right. much more olence but crime is down. maybe it is good for kids. we don't know. >> i would say it is not good for anybody.

these video games are murder stimators. >> in japan they watch twice as manvideogesan fire arm death in the united states and it causes peop. >> vendor stand what you are saying and i agree that we do need evidence we do need a national study but we don't have one as far as i know. the press -- president and congress need to find a way to curb violence. it is an epidemic in our country and how to restock this? we need god's help. we really do. john: the villain was the

comic-book the senate claimed it was causing juvenile delinquency and forensic scientists said one comic peronth sadistic fantasies for kids. that was superman. >> i don't know. maybe tse books did have a negative iact. i don't ow our government is not fosing on that. john: much more studies could we have that they are more popular and crime is down? but thank you. we move from violence to sex they can go on dates can do itbut if the (announcer) sctrade knows our clients trade and invt their own way. wiwith scottrade's smart text,i caquickly understand my charts, and spend more time trading.

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john: i want to discourage a ra behavior but how should it be done? it is okay with friends and family, friends, but government? it is force you are not mol if you stay away from san only because it is ilillegal and the law bans things like drugs or sex don't stop them from happing often they cause new problems because they create a black market. some politicians say they will not ban the activity but justax and that is -hat billy graham's son said he wants to do to nudge people to good behavior but michael thomas says that is a bad ideae authored a study of the syntax. >> one of the obama as advisers has said libertians should be 0k it is better than banning3

thing. >> it is still paternalism when you go from prohibition that is bad it creates a black market then we go to lou taxing that also causes a black market so this was to be an alternative but it is a contradiction of terms. john: and it causes problems india's people it incentive to break the law. >> the new was black market not drugs but cigarettes. john: people smgle cigarettes and in my state the tax alone is $5.34 per pack and that makes for the $11 a pack the taxation and used to collect cigarette packs and most of them were illegal? >> they went to pick up cigarette packs all over the year accidie but 61 percent had no tax thabout all or we're from another state.

john: my mayor said you cannot buy soda in bottles this big the court has stopped him but it is just as much sugar in apple juice >> the idea is the harm coming from the sugar you want to tax that u would change behavior by people could get anywhere they once and at is called substitutes in economics. >> indiana forces convience stores t ll beer that is warm. >> they say if the kids see the bier in the cooler and next to the coup they then they will somehow equate the to go walking by it in the aisle when it is warm does not have the same impact. >> and then you don't drink it in the car? >> thaare highly motivated to drink i don't think they will be discouraged and those of tients by it ahead of time. john: wh the steady what

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now along with her friend to works out moonlite bunnyranch owned by dennis hof. is legal in las vegas with the rest it is not? >> from virginia city uil 1972 but then they tell us we don't wantit in las vegas or read note of population of since it is the goal and a 15 year-old counties. john so you have your brothel the moonlite bunnyranch and 500 licensed sex workers. john: 50 working at a ti. this is disgusting t to people >> to view? we have a right. is a hypocrite politicians would wakep every state woul have a moonlite bunnyranch. john: you are selling your body. that just feels sleazy and demeaning to people.

>> really i.m. renting get. i still owe myself. the beauty is that i could live my life based on my moralsnd values. john: only a few counties of nevada. >> i moved from the midwt to do it within the confine of the loss of my oice are on me. i don't find it disgusting i carespect somebody else's opinion but i don't tell them what to do with their body. john: krissy summer i am to to do bause you don't have other options. >> i have a double major from university of miss it -- michigan. year bh college graduates. i could leave tomorrow and be fined. but before i came to the bunny ranch my student loans almost wen into default so ioncted dennis. why not? john: it is gross. >> is completely safe. >> to some people. that is the biggest probl

that we've you sexuality as being grossi and i is not. john: pay fort is. >> to someut notto all. if it was arrested everyone wouldn't be in business. john: let's bring in an opponent. of fred tecce who used to be prosecutor in philadelphia at. you have heard these women. how are they wrong? >> i will not judge th but as a prosecutor and someone who has done ai think the law should make it more difficuut outside of where they are to make it illegal. >> i appreciate that. becausi dislike is legal prostitution that is your frame of reference b people will do ts and tried to google's search philadelphia? trafficking and we don't have them in the county where it is legal in nevada because the men have a place to go instea of gettg

with illegal trafficking typically with underage children. john: th is a good point*. it doesn't make it go away. >> people will kill people but. john: that is a big difference that is takg away somebody else's freedom >>t will help then one netive owe have been one where the other vehie like drugs or pimp if they ta the money they put it back into other criminal enterprises more than anybody. >> i hear what you say that is the same argument out @%galizing drugs john: what about alcohol? go back to prohibition. >> exactly. withthose illegal operations should behut down. ani will tell you i don't need business guys. i could walk into a man's pris. >> but you could at the but

the ranch. >> i hr you. t to mke it legal is to add the temptation for anybody out there to regain to an ever they want. john: shoull we restore prohibition? >> no. john: i wod think it is the same argument that we are out of time. [laughter] >> come visit us. johna new law mandates that porn stars must wr condoms. with this protect people with jus another dumb idea fr the puritans? to make that will likely to make that will likely explain there is a pursuit we all share. a better life for your family, better legacy rtunity foto leave the world. we have alwa believed in this pursuit, striving to bring insight to everyry investment, and integrity to every plan.

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angeles, rigorous testing of all adult porn stars. john: for sexually transmitted diseases? >> no case of hiv not since 2004. what is happening now instead of having a testing process that makesense th rules and regulations they have driven the business underground or to other states with no rules. if the goal wasto protect the workerst is the opposite result. >> the customers don't want to watch sex films ready actors wear condoms? >> no doubt. after the initial aids scare and a nuer of companies went to condoms and over 30 percent of the market disappeared. john: what about that? it sounds like you're moving

it to other places and found that 25 percent of all adult workers so current tear it testing system is not adequate and it is theegal industry in people and making money off the workers activities than they are coinuoly being exposed on a daily basis but as part of a reasonable approach there is the additional measures to protect the health of the worr. >> t industry has a lesser percentage of its tv than the population as a whole. >> thais completely false. >> as a result of testing testing, he has no statistics that demonstrate that any of these diseases

are occurring as a result of the adultndustry. they may be discoved of those initial industry and the population as a whole and do they gee them in their private life? he tries to make it loo like they got them with the adult industry. that did not happen. but they have moved out of california so the protections that were there are gone. john: that doesn't seem to solve much but we have this clip. >> thatcould likely explain the film boom in ventura county. 90% of it is shot in sid fernandez valley bringing in $30 biion of revenue. -ohn: they tink it just makes peopleetter but people of los angelesre losing money. >> 57% of thooe approved it so the people of fosse

angeles said we want condoms in our adult films to protect workers and it went to the people. this is government for the people and by e people. john: so wat? it is not a tyranny of the pelen wte jaakets should be incarcerated? should we have the freedom to take her own risk? >> the option is that it could d.c. area and business need to comply with the law had to protect when it moves to a different place? >> that is the choice industry but there is talent of us angeles and resources and uteffort by the industry to scare people but

it wl continue and thrived and i am sure it will stay and try been los angeles. john:ebut. to sots what people call sin and fm the famous dead people. ralph waldo emerson wrote that which w call sid and others is an experiment for us. john: experiments are good we want more of that. another way as wn we have too many laws s and italy is hurtinoohers all others are invented nonsense. he is right. fo those who should have no bias against assaulting people? no. the libertarians don't say bob.

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