>> conservatives face a similar tension today, how do you deal with the complaining lector at and stay relevant. >> we're going to see that anered. you.

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were put to death. their new campaigns against all sorts of other vices let's start with the lawost all of you say is good and needed. the w against drunk driving. drunk drivers kill her into the fedel government with a hard limit how much alcohol you could have your blood. is it set at the right level i asked special correspondent nnedy to drink and drive. >> we are going to go through the course sober and then with alcohol and have you tried the drunk. >> it is my dream come true. >> under the supervision of the los geles county sheriff's office, she had no trouble driving betweecones and parkinbetween them. >> let the games begin. >> she dank a mimosa and hen a tequila and then another mimosa. >> it isreally shocking how little alcohol takes you to be

consered junk. >> kenne is not much a drinker. it was clear she was feelingit. john: the detective gave her the brthalyzer test >> she was at a.043. >> am i drun >> no, anythinunder 805 is not underthe influence. joon: but she was feeling it leaves the buzz. >> buzzed driving is drunk drivg, don't o it. john: that kennedy did it, and she did prett well. watching her drivingyou would not know that she was impaired. so she drank more. >> that was more than i ever drink in my life.

>> definitely impairment there. do you see her slain? john: this time she flunked the breathalyzer test, as ell as the walking the line test. and when she drove, she was a mess. >> okay, there is a tone. >> there's definity impairment there. definitely she wld be going to jail. >> you have sobered up. what have you lear? >> i earned that i felt more unk than actuallwas. after three drinks when i took e second breathalyze, i felt hammered. i would never have gotten in t car. i was shocked that i only blew that much. >> that you cod be different

fr normal people. you are not a drinker. >> i drink a little bit. i am definitely a moderate drinker. seven drinks to be considred junk? >> we hould be clear to the audience what the government calls a drink is 1.5 ounces. >> it uld've been 4 ounces f champagne and 1.5 ounces of tequila or hard alcohol. so what you thinkis one drink could actually be closer to two. when you are for drinks then, you sometimes think you have only had a couple. that is when people have problems. >> the government has imit and they keep playing with it, changing it. the pressures always tighter d tighter. you livein los angeles where they have a lot of these checkpoints oking for drunk drivers and you becoe skeptical. >> yes, i'm skeptical after this because i realize that it really

drinking twice as much in some cases, theycouldandle a car twice asl as i could in some cases. john: checkpoint have unintded consequences >> they do. you are taking o horseman off the street on busy holidays. but now people are using social media to let other drivers know where the eckpointnts are. some critics say that encouraging people to drive drunk,thers say no, it actually tells you. there are those out there that they do not drink and drie..3 john: let's goback to the controversy over the legal b alcohol level and what should it be. it is current .08 down from the earlier limit of .10 now, the feddoesit is .05. the police are eager to punish drunk drivers. >> there ino way to hide it. if yu drive drunk, cops

everre are stepping up enforcement in tracking you down li never before. >> overwhelmingly, amricans support this. but as jonalist sayif we really care about road safety and savi lives, we should abolish drunk drivinglaws. so ha? >> well, the idea is not to encouragdrunk driving but the idea is to improve highway safety and make the roads safer. i think that youo that by atg reckless driving andd3 not whatever it was that was causing the reckless driving to begin with. my problem is saing that it should beillegal to have alcohol in your system whileou are hind the wheel, even if you're not dong anything wrong. only way you can enforce that is through these intrusive measures, including having cops draw blood on the side of the road or these checkpoints.

so mpoint is that we should focus on the distraction. john: the government ays that sleep deprivation can be as much of a cause or more than alcohol. also having the kids in the ckseat. the gp, eatin >> my blood alcohol is .81. they are driving home at night. they get pulled over because, you know, theye driving at 2:00 a.m.and maybe they do a rolling stop instead of coming to a complete stop at a stop sign. basically, you know, it r ruins their lives in a lot of ways. th can be severelyimpacted. you get th fines come youave to go to alcohol rehab classes.

and then you get a person who hasn't slept in a long ime and may be a truck drir isn't here because of the lack of sleep. do not truk driver blows a red light and hit sombody. that level of distraction is actually worsethan most. that pern is not going to get the same sort of punihm that the drunk driver gets. point is that it should be the recklessnes and if you want to tack on extra penalties because someone was drunk after you gethem forrwhatever infracti they committed, that is another story. asennedy pointed out, when the federal government lowered the national bod alcohol level from the minimum level to .102.18, it had been in steep decline foabout 20 years. i think a good explanation for that would be tat when groups

like mothers against drunk driving put on these massive public relations campaign, sang that this inot a joke anymore. it was sort of amusing back in the day to see someone stumbling, they were ccessful and they change public advocacy about it. i think that has a lot more effect on the drop n fatalities than changing the laws to more aggressi enforcement. johnsoso let's bring jt giffin into our studio. what bradley is saying is that it's workflow close to the campaign. not your law. >> no, that is not true at ll. brinng down the fatalities is actually strong law enforcement coupled with strong laws that are own to bring dwn fatalities, especially in regard to drunk driving. what he said about it is true. highway fatalitiesnvolvin

drunk drivers have faen by over0%. at is e to strong laws that have been worked to pas. john i don't see how you know that. >> wel you c look at the la that have been studied. things like th.08, the zero-tolerce. right now we have a new campaign to eliminate drunkriving, which is based on all convicted drunk drivers,support for checkpoints and advanced technology that we tink could actually stop a drunk driver from operating his or her vehicle. he wan a test of the guys drunk and you couldn't start the car? but sometimes it ould misfire and sober people wodn't get too dry. what the passenger is drnk?

>> the technology is being developed to focus on the passenger and the driver. it is being blamed for a third of all highway fatalities. john: drunk driving isinolved, meaning afterwards we found alcohol, but it didn't necessarily mean it was caused by that. >> i think that you can look at what is happening across the country. can see that it is a cause. we kw that when smeone is active, it is one of the most studied health laws in the country in the wrld. we kow that when someone is at .08, they are too impaired to drive. hn: bradley? st question? >> thosese are alcohol related talities. that is often interchanged with drunk driving fatalities. alcohol-related just means that somebody involved in the accint had alcoholn her system and it doesn't necessarily mean that someone was drunk or over the legal

limit. >> you can test if they have alcohol in her system. you can't test if they are yelling at the ks were struggling with the dog in the car. it is harder to measure. than you both for being here. up next, i like to gamble, but some politicians want that band. if your ds gble, they are threor four more timeso steal or get in trouble with t law. john: oh, my goodness. while my gambling make it worse? we will debate it coming up next the boys used double les from their capital one venture card to fly home for the big family reunion. you must be garth's father? hello. mother. mother! traveling is easy with the vente card because you can fly airline anytime. two words.

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>> what do you think? [cheers] john: i like to gamble, that is my periodic poker game. but i'd bet on all kinds of thgs, politics, sports, which green job will drop faster. fortunately, in my state, that kind of social gambling is legal. in most of ameica, organized gambling is banned. and ntert gambling is banned.

one u.s. senator put it, it is the crack cocaine of gambling. i thought they were supposed to ta protections with the u.s. department of homeland security and not be involved in gambling. our next guest says that he has testified beore congreson what gambling, especially internet gambling, why quiethat? we ar not talking about it

we libertarian issue. were talking about fun and games. john: shouldn't people be fun and free? >> like to play games. everyone likes to play games. that we are talking about a potential of serious and strategic and economic national security issues. jo: i think this is politicians that want to control people. w is national security at risk? >>is the economic national security issue. widespread internet gambling would do exactly what the to commodity futures did when they eliminated all the anti-gambling for wall street. because the debae that we had

four years ago. widespread internet gambling destabilize financial systems, economic systems, it created a huge speculative buble. it would look great for a while. but then it would all colapse. john: michelle, this argument seems intesting to me. >> this isn't a fun and games issue. i agree with that. adults should b able to spend their moy as long as they are not harming another person if

you look at gambling in this country, it is less than 1% and even if you had iernet gambling come i don't see w this cou increase that much to the point of a criss of the professor talking aut john: the public service announcements to try to convey what john is worried abut. >> i tried to persuade him, i try to help them. >> if your kids game, they are playing more than just games. they are more thn likely to drink and use drugs. john: give me a break.

people already have a more adventurs system. >> to some extent, i would agree with y on that. but the y to think abotthis the sty showed that when you have gambling facilities, electronic gambling in particular, which is what the study commission called ew addictive gambling, akin to crack and cocaine, when he put this on the internet, it will be at every school desk work best and cell phone. john: michelle, do you s that this is entertainment? just like wha is in the movie? >> there are benefits way beyond just the entertainment factor of gambling. especially especially we are talking about poker. it is social, it helps you run statistical analysis. i think some kids couldbenefit

greatly by playing gamesike poker that encourage focus and strategic thinking. >> we are talking about how this is supported by the national gambling study commission. the 2006 unlawful internet gambling enfocement act. with ver 80% in the house. >> i get it. the politicians don't want us to do that. and they get to use force. thank you, jn an michelle. a similar debate about paying for sex. most amercans say that this s bad.

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iowa and he is right said the son of billy graham the took over his fath's ministry why is he right? >> fit of all,, god understands violence. his son jesus christ was nailed to a tree for our sins and god understands violence. we see it all aund us but in our country over the last 30 or 40 years, of vlence has come into our homes in the form of tertainment. when i was growing up, it was gunsme every time h pulled out his gun to protect life and the good guy alwa one but it is a far cry from the vid games of today.

and then to make a glorified john: day want to ban them? >> we have a constition to do that but we certainly can tax them. and alcohol why n violence do give the money to the people who are the victims? john: the head of the nra agrees that video games business is a corrupt industry that sells violence against his own people through vicious andiolent videogames is an fantasizing about killing people to g your kicks really the filthiest form of poography? hn: he is right to defend ben wright's but the is no good evidence i pushed back

to both of you. i have had the guns all my life i got my first o in nine years old. everyone i grew up with had begun. we did not shoot pple. and they want to dress like the actors they see on tv or the video games in the arm themselves and go out and commit killings. it issick and it is t crime our entire nation. john: no, no, . yo talk about all this stuff coming io our homes over the past 30 or 40 years. you are right. much more violence bt crim is down. maybe it is good for kids. we don't know. >> i would say it is not good foranybody.

these video games are murder stimulators. >> in japan they watch tce as manvideogames can fire arm death in the united states and it causes people. >> vendor stand what you are saying and i agree that we do need evidence we do need a national study but we don't ve o as far as i know. the press -- president and congress need to find a way to curb violence. is an epidemic in our country and how toestock this? we need god's help. we really do. john: the villain was the

mic-book the senate claimed i was causing juveni delinquency and forensic scientists said one comic per moh sadistic fantasies for kids. that was superman. >> i don't know. maybe those books did have a negative impact. i don't know our government is not focusing that. john: much more studies could we have that they are more popula and crime is down? but thank you. we move from violence t sex they can go on dates can do it but if the every parent wants the safest and healthiest products for their family. that's why i creed the honest company. i wajust a concerned mom, with a crazy dream. a wish that there was a company that i could rely on,

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john: i want to discourage a moral behavior but how should it be done? it is okay with friends and familyfriends, but government? it is force yoare not moral if you stay away from san only because it is illegal and the law bans things like drug or sex don't stop them from happening often they cause new problems becausese th create a black market. some politicians say they wi not ban the activity but just tax and that is -hat billy graham's sonaid he wants to do to nudge people to good behavior but michael thomas says that is a bad idea he authored a study of the syntax. >> one othe obama as advisers has said libertarians should be 0k it is better than banning3

thing. >> it is still paternalism when you g from prohibition at is bad it creates a black market then we goo lou taxing thatalso causes a black market so this was to be alrnative but it is a contradiction of terms. john: and it cause problems india's people it incentive to break the law. >> the new was black market not drugbut cigarettes. john: people smuggle cigarettes and in my state the tax aloneis $5.34 per pack and that makesor the $11 a pack the taxation and used to collect cigarette packs and most of them were illegal? >> they went to pick up cigarette packs all over the year accidie but 61 percent had no tax the about all or we're from another state.

john: my mayor said you cannot buy soda in bottles this big the court has stopped him but it is just as much sugar in apple juice >> the idea is the harm comi from the sugar you want toax that you would change behavior by people could get anywhere they once and that is called substitutes in economics. indias convenience stores to sell beer that is warm. >> they say if the kids see the bier in the cool and next to the couphey then they will somehow equate the to go walking by it i the aisle when it is warm does not have the se impact. >> and then you don't drin it in the car? >> people that are highly motivated to drink i don't think they will be discouraged and tho of patients by it ahead o time. john: with the steady what

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works out moonlite bunnyranch owned by dennis hof. legal ilas vegas with the rest it is not? >> fromvirginia city until 1972 but then they tell us we don't want it in las vegas or read note of population of since it is the goal and a 15 year-old counties. john: so you have your brothel the moonte bunnyranch and 500 licensed sex workers. john: 50 working at a time. this is disgusting to people >> to view? we have a right. a hypocriteoliticians would wake up every sta would have a moonlite bunnyranch. john: you are selling your body. that just feels sleazy and demeaning to people.

>> really i.m. renting get. i still owe myself. the beauty is that i could live my life based on my morals and values. john: only a few counties of nevada. >> i moved from the midwest todo it within the confines of the loss of my choices are on me. i don't find it disgusting i can respect sebody else's opinion but i don't tell them what to do with their body. john: krissy smer i am told to do because you don't haveother options. >> i have a double major fromniversity of miss it -- michigan. year both college graduates. i could leave tomorrow and fined. but before i came to the bunny ranch my student loans almost went into default so i contacted dennis. why not? john: it is gross. >> is completely safe. >> to some people. that is the biest probl that we've you sexuality as

beg grossi andt is not. john: paying for it . >>o some but not to all if it was arrested everyone we wouldn't be in busine jo: let's bring in an opponent of fred tecce whused to be a prosecutor in philadelphia at. you have heard these won. how are they wrong? >> i will nojudge them but as a prosecutor and someone who ha done as i think the law should make it more difficuut ouide of where they are to make it illegal. >> i appreciate that. because i dislike is legal ostitution that is your frame of reference but people will do this and tried to google's search philadelphia? trafficking and we don't have them in the coun where it is legal in nevada because the men have a place to go instead of getting with illegal trafficking

typically with underage children. john: that is a good point*. it doesn't make it go away. >> people will kill people but. john: that is a big difference that is takg away somebody else's freedom >> it will helpthen one negative owe have been one where the other vehicle like drugs or pimp if they take the money they put it back into other crimil enterprises more than anybody. >> i hear what you say that is the same argument about @%galizing drugs. john: what about alcohol? go back to prohibition. >> extly. with those illegal operatio should be shut down. and i will tell you idon't need bines guys. i could walk into a woman's prison. >> but you could at the but

the ranch. >> i hear you. but to make it legal is to add e temptation for anybody out there to regain to an ever they want. john: shoull we restore prohibio >> no. john: i would think it is e same argument that we are out time. [laughter] >> come visit us. john: a new law mandates that porn stars mustear condoms. with this protect people with just another dumb idea from the puritans? to make that will liky explain clients are always learning more to make their moy do more. (ann) to help me plan my next move, i take scottrade's free, in-branch seminars. plus, their live webinars. i use daily market commentary to improve my strategy. and my local scottrade office guides my learning every step othe way. because they know i don't trade like erybody.

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jo: paying9 is illegal but paying to wah it is not. pornography is a huge businessnd for years it was cent in los angeles but that has changed bause last year was the angeles passed a law requiring all porn stars to wear condoms. that is a great thing says professor of public heth at ucla, a dr. jeffrey klausner. paul cambria represents thosompanies that make the form. -- born. >> superficially it sounds logical but the problem is in the past there was testing involved in los

angeles, rigorous testing of all adultorntars. john: for sexually transmitted diseases? >> no case of hiv. not since 2004. what is happening now instead of having a testing process that makes sense with rules and regulations they have driven the business underground or to other stes with no rules. if the goalas to protect the wkers it is the opposite result. >>he customers don't want to watch sex films ready actors wear condoms? >> no dot. after the initial aids scare and a mber of companies went to condoms and over 30 percent of the market disappeared. john: what about that? it sounds like you're moving

it to other places and found that 25 percent of all adult workers so the current tear it testing system is not adequate and it is the legal industry in people and maki money off the workers activities than they are continuouuly being exposed on adaily basis but as part of a reasonable approach there is the additional measures to protect the health of the worker. >> the industry has a lesser percentage of its tv than the population as a whole. >> that isompletely false. >> as a result of testing testing, he has no statisti that demonstrate that anyof these diseases are occurring as a resultof

the adult industry. they may be discovered of those initial industry and the population as a whole and do they gee them in their private life? he tries t make it look like they gothem with the adult industry. that did not happen. but they have moved out of california the protections thatere there are gone. john: that doesn't seem to solve much but we have this clip. >> that could likely explain the film boom in ventura county 90%f i is shot in sid fernandez valley bringing in $30 billion of revenue. -ohn: they think it just makes ople better but people of los angeles are losing money. >> 57% of thooe aroved it so the peoe of fosse

angeles said w want condoms in our adult films to protect workers anit went to the people. this is government for t ople and by the people. john: so what? it is not a tyranny of the people in white jaakets should be incarcerated? should we have the freem to take her own risk? >> the option is that it could d.c. area and businesses need to comply with the lawct when it moves to a different place? >> that is the choice industry but there is talent of us angeles and resources and ut effort by the indust to scare people but

it will continue and thrived and i sure it will stay and try been los angeles. john: debut. to sots what people call sin and from the famous dead people. ralph waldo emerson wrote that which we call sid and others is an experiment fo us. john: experiments are good we want more of that another way as when we have too ny laws and italy is hurting oohe all others are invented nonsense. he is right. for those who should have no bias against assaulting people? no. the libertarians don' say no b.

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