and that's it for tonight on "the willis report." thank you for joining is. have a great night and we will see right back here tomorrow. ♪ lou: good evening, everybody. thank you for being with us. a second consecutive day of triple digit gains on wall street. the market is ignoring a downward revision of three month old first quarter gdp numbers. the market is instead gaining in heading back toward the 15,000 threshold on the numerous positive economic reports and federal reserve forecasts over the past two weeks. the rally began when the opening bell. the dow jones industrials gaining 150 points on the day. the down up for two consecutive trading sessions, now three over the past four since it lost 500 points in a 2-day timeframe last wednesday and thursday.

the dow is now up nearly 14% year-to-date. up an incredible 128 percent since the lows of 2009. the s&p joining today's rally, picking of 15 points. the broader market of over 12 percent of the year. and up nearly 140% since march of 2009. the nasdaq gaining 28 points on the day. the tech coriente index up nearly 12% on the year. and, the nasdaq has almost tripled, growing over 166 percent since march of 20009. the wilshire 5,000 measuring the day's paper gains of $175 billion. north that grows percent over 2 trillion in gains in market capped year today. investors today with only two days remaining in the second quarter of trading dismissed a lower revision in first quarter gdp and, instead, focused on far

more fresh readings on housing, manufacturing, and consumer confidence and forward-looking indicators on an economy that is now showing signs of increasing vigor and strength. wall street rallying as a result and turning to washington, the supreme court concluded its term by delivering to blockbuster rulings on gay-rights. the defense of marriage act and california's proposition eight. the court delivered to victories for equal rights, the high court striking down a key element of the defense of marriage act and determined that defenders of california's proposition eight ban on gay marriage did not have legal standing to appeal the llwer court rulings against proposition eight. fox news supreme court correspondent shannon green with the report. >> reporter: the supreme court handed since its -- same-sex marriage advocates to significant wins, for striking

down a portion of the defense of marriage act which had bought same-sex couples, even if legally married in their respective states fought for collecting various federal benefits, anthony kennedy said, the federal statute is invalid. for no legitimate purpose overcomes the purpose and effect to disparage and to enter those in an estate by his marriage laws sought to protect them person had and dignity. there were three separate dissents, the most fiery from justice antonin scalia was second ads by the majority assurances that this particular decision was not passing judgment on the underlying issue of the legality of same-sex marriage, therefore bypassing the will of individual states and voters. we might have covered ourselves with honor today, but promising all sides of this debate that it was theirs to settle in that we would respect their resolution. the court is cheated both sides. the original plaintiff cried when she heard the news. >> into the justices of the supreme court, thank you for

affirming the principle of equal justice under the law. lou: former president bill clinton who signed it into law after it passed congress with strong bipartisan majorities today applauded the court's decision along with president obama also had pivoted on the issue. defense secretary place to immediately begin determining how the pentagon will rollout federal benefits for legally marry same-sex couples. in the second ruling, the court found that supporters of california's prop. eight measure which amended the state constitution to recognize marriage between only one man and one woman did not have legal standing to defend the statute after state officials refuse to do so. that -- what is left is the district's decision which struck down proposition eight. >> today is a great day. we ended -- into this building and we always see those words, equal justice under law. today we are closer to the quality. >> reporter: traditional marriage advocates point out that same-sex marriages still up to the state and urged their supporters to stay engaged. >> i think the message is very

clear. if you do not proactively acts to protect marriage afterrthe politicians and judges will political from under you. >> reporter: officials will send issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, but the ninth circuit will first up the list as -- left to stem the case. technical step to a state's attorney general has asked the court to take immediately. lou: thank you. shannon green, fox news supreme court correspondent. our first guest say today's ruling by the supreme courttdoes not have, they say come any effect on existing state definitions a marriage. but both praise the high court's ruling on the voting rights act. it immediately if excess of 15 states will be a will to implement laws, including voter identification requirements who have -- without having to ask the justice department for permission. joining us now, two state attorneys general, luther strange to my attorney general of alabama, allan wilson of south carolina will be joining

as here in moments. first, good to have you with us. let's start with these two decisions on equal rights. the effect that you perceive that it might have, if any on the state of alabama. >> well, under the case today i don't think there will be any effect on the state of alabama. repass the citizens of alabama passed a constitutional amendment in 2006, the sanctity of marriage act. i don't think that the case affects that law at all. i expected to remain in effect. i'm coming of the recent report to my ticket makes the point i am always maintained. these issues are ones that ought to be decided by the voters of the state based upon their understanding of the issues and their democratic result. that is the principle that i hope will show through in today's decision. >> in the defense of marriage tax cut maternity that, it has -- its leaves existing law intact. states also, it seems to be, at

least in the early interpretations, not stick be infringing upon, but rather embrace a state's rights. do you agree with that interpretation? >> i do. that is the interpretation i am taking away from it. in that think your point, the two cases together, the shelby county case, the case in alabama dealing with the voting rights act was another big victory for the state of alabama. really for the constitution because a lot -- allows states to be treated equally and recognizes 50 years of bad -- fantastic progress n race relations with i'm very proud of and leaves in place provisions that allow people to challenge any activity by any government body that they think deprives them of their rights about. lou: and a lot to share with the audience, everyone watching and listening to you, some statistics on alabama. because this requirement under section four that was struck

down today and requiring, as a resslt, that its effect will be that section five will go away because section for a formula has been invalidated by the supreme court. but looked at what has been going on, if you will. let's take a quick look at the statistics on the state of alabama. it actually has a larger percentage of african american voters registered and voting. less than 01 percent gap between black and white voters, and alabama black voters are actually participating in greater percentage numbers than white voters in the state of alabama. why would that not just be automatically persuasive to the justice department's? -understand the requirement here to challenge and the supreme court. but in case after case after

case. and the states have shown in measurable progress, why could that not be recognized by this justice department? >> well, this justice department has shown a very high propensity to make race an issue when it is not. and in alabama we have made by years of progress. the voting rights act was a necessary, very appropriate and effective remedy for some awful behavior, behavior from the 1960's and 70's. that is 50 years ago. alabama has made tremendous progress. if you compare, interestingly, the court said, congress can be passed this law and a fine jurisdictions that need to be covered by the law. i think if they did that there would find alabama far outpaces states in terms of minority participation in our percentage of minority elected officials. lou: among those selected for

the obama justice department review under the voting rights act. i want to turn, if i may, to center sessions, something that he said in support of what you have just pointed out. we have heard from the president that it was very disappointing on the voting rights act. jesse jackson called the devastating blow. harry recall that a dark day for the supreme court. this senator jeff sessions said i don't know what would be needed after this. if anybody discriminates, voters against voters in alabama because of the color of their skin, they will go to jail if there is any proof to that. that was not so in 1965. i think that is a straightforward acknowledgment of immense progress in the advancement that this country is made. and i think it is frankly

disappointing, if i may use the president's word, that our presideet would say it is disappointing and attorney general chief law-enforcement officer not to acknowledge the immense progress that your state, others under this voting rights act have made over the course of 50 years. it is astonishing to me. >> it is extraordinary. people like me. twelve years old in 1965. voting -- devoted the public free to make sure people of treated fairly. generational, he has been dead for 40 years. we have a fantastic diverse economy endeavors population and alabamm. we know better are worse than other states in the union. that is was so important. this is what this recognizes. we could now be truly, in this area like any other state in that we, the messes up, i'm going to hold accountable. we are not claiming to be perfect, but we deserve to be treated like every other state and given the tremendous progress we have made. lou: and we have been talking

with the attorney general of alabama throughout because we have had some satellite problems you want to bring in now as we had. the attorney general of south carolina. great to have you with this on the broadcast as well. sorry for the technical problems. made as to do for your participation for a while. your reaction to first the decision, the proposition a decision today. then i want to get to the voting rights act as i have been talking with luther strange of alabama. >> well, we are still digesting the opinion like people across the country are. what we can tell right now is that this is not going to have a foreseeable impact on south carolina's definition of marriage. also, the committee reaffirmed that the feeeral government cannot interfere with the state's right to define what marriage means. this does not have the foreseeable impact on a feature of south carolina as it relates

to that issue. lou: how much of a complication is that for the state's that have defined, as have the state of alabama, as have the state of south carolina, as both of you have pointed out, year two states have defined marriage as between a man and a woman, banning same-sex marriage. >> well, in my personal opinion, which goes back to, i think that the people of the stateis -espective sovereign should be able to decide for themselves other one to define marriage. this is truly a state issue, and i think in that regard the supreme court was right. you know, what's going to happen from here going forward, i cannot opine as to what will happen in the future, but i think anytime you leave it to the people of the states to how they want to govern themselves, that is the right way to approach the issue. lou: starting to look like a constitutional republic with a strong federaliit structure. i don't know what's going on. but i have to catch my breath here a bit.

i want to, if i make to buy shares come to -- some statistics on south carolina and point out that al wilson, the state of south carolina, they want an important case last year in which their voter identification law was upheld by a federal panel, much i'm sure to the surprise and disappointment of this attorney general that is, of course, eric holder and the president, but i wanted to share with you what the statistics are. as of the 2012 election in south carolina. 76 percent of registered voters are black compared to 73% of registered white voters. the actual percentage of those who voted, 69 percent of black voters casting ballots. and just over 63 and a half% of white voters are voting. that is an impressive record. a sort of is surprising that

eric holder would not be impressed with those kinds of statistics. >> well, those are impressive statistics. voting rights act and the think it was unnecessary love that we needed in 1965. the formula that was created under the voting rights act. might that it was before i was born. lou: pointing out how you are here. >> and 90 and a stated in the country, i have been told. born in 1973, the last time it was amended was in the '72 election. lou: we let you knew this by your lack of experience. are you impressed? >> i am. but, you know, the point is that south carolina and alabama and other jurisdictions like us are now after 40 plus years about to come out of the penalty box. there are a non-public jurisdictions that section five in 49 apply to that have forced african-american voter turnout and south carolina and alabama

respectively. so i think that when you're looking at trying to determine ways to prevent racial discrimination he should do in a way that is nearly focus. the 64 election, the formula, not the proper way to prevent that kind of conduct. so carolina and alabama. lou: as has the entire country. i am disappointed that our national leaders have ot seize the opportunity of this, of these decisions over this week which are historically. to point out how far this country has come, the president has been made, and instead expressed deep disappointment, it's not the stuff of leaders that is within a objectively and the people. this is a nation, a remarkable nation on every level and should

be accorded the respect by its leaders. attorneys general luther strange and alan wilson, we thank you for being with us. this historic supreme court series a ruling. sit with us. the immigration plan to pass the senate tax to the so-called border surge. will of the final say. the realities of immigration in tonight's "chalk talk."

♪ lou: the second straight rally on wall street today. all ten s&p sectors gaining more than three-fourths of all the stocks traded on the big board moving higher. volume on the big board, three

and half million shares. the economy first quarter gdp growth revised. down from an estimate of 24%. nobody really cares because that was three months ago when just about everyone in the business has been talking about it. it's kind of silly, in point of fact. gold plummeting $45 today to just below 1200. $30 per ounce, the lowest level in nearly that three years. the bond market, yields on the chin year fell. president obama, the first family of arriving in setting all. kicking off a week-long three country trip to africa. expected to cost taxpayers around $100 million partly because president obama is traveling with a huge delegation an extended family including his mother-in-law and niece. the president will be in senegal

. he fred -- he spends the weekend in south africa leaving tanzanian early next week. new trouble for the internal revenue service. the second irs official today refusing to answer congressional questions at a house oversight committee hearing looking into whether he improperly awarded federal contracts, ready for this, with half a illion dollars to a french company. >> mr. rose men, are you currently employed by the irs? mr. chairman, on the advice of counsel i respectfully decline to answer any questions and to revoke teeseven but my fifth amendment privilege to remain quiet. >> are you prepared to answer any questions today? >> no. lou: that fellow has an interesting look. repeated four times that he would not answer questions before he was excused from the hearing altogether. certainly that was not the only

drama at the hearing. the president of the company that was awarded those questionable contracts also came under fire from an iraqi war veteran and a double amputee. she heads -- she accused a man of misrepresenting from nearly three decades ago in order to gain the veterans affairs system and obtain preferential treatment for his companies bidding on irs contracts. >> does it hurt, your left foot? >> yes, ma'am. >> my feet hurt, too. in fact, the balls of my effort -- feed burn continuously and i feel like their is a male being limited to my right here right now. did you enjoy the same foot again subsequently says the use the twisted in prep school? >> not to my recollection. >> of your recollection? okay. lou: probably the mildest exchange returned to. that gentleman insisted he did not misrepresent his injury even

though he was given a 30 percent disability rating by the veterans affairs. congresswoman deborah, by the way, a 20 percent disability rating on her arm. up next, 15 republican senators to support the gang of eight immigration bill. @% the "chalk talk" will take a look at weather states they represent signal doom for the bill perhaps in the house. ♪ alec, for this mission i upgraded your srt phone. ♪ right. but theost important feature of all i.. the capital one rchase eraser. i can redeem the double miles i earned with mymy venture cad to erase recent travel purchases. with a few clicks, this mission never happened. uh, what's this button do? [ electricity zaps ] ♪ you requested backup? yes. yes i did. what in your wallet?

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♪ lou: the senate today working to move the immigration, the gang of eight immigration legislation ahead. that gang of a bill on track for a vote which some say could come on friday. not expected to be much of a surprise. the senate held a test vote monday on a border security amendment for the bill and it passed by a sizable margin, 67- 27 with support, wide awake, 15 republicans. what is far from certain and certainly in doubt is that bill's future in the house of representatives. we thought we will show you why, and it is something that no one, as far as we know is talking about. you wanted to make sure you are

awareeof this. the states represented that a 55 of 15 senate republicans who backed the so-called border search a minute, they have 56, 56 republican house members who they might influence thrrugh their state. and -- end, the states represented by the 30 republican senators to oppose the amendment indicated that they would have voted no, 123 house members, they might well influence. another argument for immigration reform legislation put forth by a gang of eight member lindsay gramm is that without it the republican party will lose hispanic support. well, here is something else to consider. there are 234 gop congressional districts represented by republicans. hispanics make up an average of 11 percent of the ccnstituents

in as districts. now, 201 congressional districts are represented by democrats. hispanics their make up more than twice as large a percentage of the constituents in a district. and finally. there is the argument that there is sweeping support across the country for giving illegal immigrants a path the citizenship. the house members are being somewhat reluctant, and they are convinced that in some measure that may not be true. they have holes, by the way, to as -- polls, by the way, to assess all of this. the national journal finds nearly half of all republican journals, half of them say they're less likely to support their lawmaker for reelection if he or she votes for legislation that gets a path to citizenship and add that to the fact that the house speaker will not bring forward a measure that cannot win a majority of his own caucus

and it is pretty clear that anyone saying immigration reform is a done deal in the house of representatives, well, let's just say that obviously, obviously is not necessarily so. more scandals erupt in the obama administration. the irs still under fire. another irs official takes the fifth. a congressman joins us to analyze the fireworks of today's house oversight committee hearing. ♪ a simple question: how old is the oldest person you've known? we gave people a sticker anhad them show us. we learned a lot of us ha knonown somne who's lived well into their 90s. and that's areat thing. but even though we're living longer, onehing that hasn't changed much is t official retirement age. ♪ the question is how do you make su you have the money you need to enjoy all of these years. ♪

♪ lou: well, everybody is looking for him. three days after he arrived at moscow's main airport from hong kong edward snowden may be entering a legally ambiguous area since his u.s. passport has been revoked and a russian transit visa is good for only 72 hours which might technically mean that he is there with an

expired transit visa. ecuador also signalling it is not ready to welcome edward snowden with the open arms many had expected. its foreign minister now saying a decision on granting edward snowden asylum would take several months. there may be more to all of this than originally thought. we will find out. my next guest was in the house oversight committee hearing today and says the irs is now an institution that in his judgment is terminally ill. joining us now is congressman ron the santos, a member of the house oversight in judiciary committee. good to have you with us, congressman. >> thank you for having me. lou: i have to say, when that fellow sat in that chair and looked at the congressman, i mean, that is one of the most infuriating images i have seen a long time. how could you stand it? >> this is a guy who injured his foot when he was in military prep school and never served active duty at all.

yet 27 years later he claims a service-connected disabilities to be able to get preferential treatment and to qualify for these programs. it was obviously a fleecing of the taxpayers and an abuse of his service disability. i have to tell you, i am a former prosecutor. i see more people with the irs take the fifth amendment and i did when i was prosecuting cases. this is the second person in about six weeks that has done it and the problem that i see with this is, one, the american people are getting answers, but we need to -- when these individuals take the fifth we know that there was misconduct because that is plain to see. nothing happens. estimates today was placed on administrative leave. he steered 500 million with the context of his buddy, a company that had but $250,000 in total revenue before the irs got involved.

lou: did he break the law? >> i think, certainly there were laws were broken. if you look at the relationship that they had. if he looked at the amount of money at stake and if you look at the fact that this was a company that did not do very much business in an all the sudden -- >> right. >> well, for two years prior to this it did about $250,000 in wrap -- revenue. of a sudden in 2012 and the individual units and who claimed the disability purchase the company they start getting millions and millions of dollars worth of irs work. and so it's not above board, but the problem is is we always see these things happen. people and the irs say we are identifying problems and need more training. the problem goes much deeper. a culture of arrogance, an institution. lou: what you guys going to do about it? me, what we're watching here -- the irs cannot even apparently find it nor can this president

find a person to serve as a commissioner of the internal revenue service, its acting commissioner, acting commissioner, and drug commissioner this is an organization, you say they are terminally ill. what are you going to -- what are you going to do to get this thing fixed and bring in somebody with the integrity to leave the organization got to get this straightened out? gumi, this is -- i mean, we have 16,000 new agents being hired soon. just for obamacare. >> obviously in the house we would like to do a major overhaul. we would like to all these people accountable. we are limited. we will bring lerner back because he waived the fifth amendment right on friday. in the stance of the american people's question. the problem is that the executive branch is not really interested in investigating and holding people accountable. we have the director of the fbi in front of the judiciary committee a couple of weeks ago,

and he did not even know who was leading the irs investigation. that tells me department of justice is notttoo concerned with this problem. lou: use it on the judiciary committee. you all have certain influences the you can bring to bear. this is going to have to be, it seems to me, if you feel that there is a lack of popular will around the outrage that is obviously both in washington and other parts of the country, i mean, you have to do something here in a different way. perhaps faster, perhaps deeper. more staff, more -- and more flights to put in front of the american people. >> absolutely. i think we also need to understand that from a policy perspective the irs is really passed its point of usefulness and we need to move to a fair or flat tax and give the government less power over the individual and allow people to be able to make this is is for themselves so then this with you would not have to worry about these irs

officials misbehaving. lou: congressman, i would love to have a fair tax, a flat tax, a set percentage, just like i think most americans. i think one of the surest ways to damage the investigation right now is for you all to get caught up in tax-cut reform when what you have to do is get rid of a bunch of snakes in our really lousy, lousy, corrupt management at the irs. >> amen. lou: thank you for being with us. always good to talk with you. good luck. up next, anothhr triple digit gains on wall street. did i mention that? despite some folks to thought, oh, investors will get all excited about a 3-month. they will look at the economy. they didn't. another rally. we're coming right back. ♪ she knows you like no one else.

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lou: breaking news. senate majority leader harry reid setting up the final cloture vote to cut off the date on the gate of the immigration bill tomorrow. the final parliamentary hurdle that the legislation has crossed . with the senate on course to vote on final passage of the bill friday. the final vote requiring a simple majority if the cloture vote succeeds. my next guest says, as we talk about wall street in this economy, bad news has become good news in large measure for part of the market. he is looking for -- we will let him tell you. joining us now withhhis outlook on the market to my global head of institutional equity derivatives at counter fitzgerald. great to have you with this. >> thank you for having me. lou: what is your outlook? we have people talking about the fed, everybody says, you know, what's going on? >> wwll, last time i was here in

early may we talked about the message stimulus that had come from the fed and the bank of japan. i think we agree that that was really their cue that the markets were looking at. then on may 22nd something changes, chairman bernanke actually came out himself, the chairman came out and said, we are thinking about tapir. that had a real effect on rates. rates had an effect on the u.s. equity market. lou: and what is really funny about that is everything he said , if people would listen. i think those -- i think there are computers that are not listening and some hedge fund managers,,i really want to examine them carefully, the thought process. the fact is heesaid have good the economy was, how strong it was. the date for tapering would still be in the year. everybody decided, apparently, and that today timeframe that the federal reserve chairman was

stupid, as were all of his cohorts. i mean, it is just as if reason was suspended in that today timeframe where we saw 500 points evaporate. >> well, you know, the interesting thing about that was that the fed actually revised down its forecast. lou: say that again. >> revised down the forecast. that is a bit contradictory to talking about tapering. so in a way there was a mixed message, and that the people were frankly a bit confused by. lou: they were confused and then deciding on tuesday to offer clarity on whether it -- the way the "wall street journal" reported. if that was clarity, give us a little ambiguity. >> my take on the statement was that he was testing the market. he wanted to see how the market would react to the expectation of the tapering to the end of the year. obviously it did not react well.

>> the case for it may be if the fed is stupid because if they did not know what happened when it performed as they did, i mean, where have they been? the federal open market committee this still the veterans and bright, bright minds. what they have done this, to me, wondrous. now this week we have everything is fine. let's take a look get all the numbers, and if you look at these new is numbers, people talking about seeing a revision of almost 2% in 1st quarter gdp, that nonsense is three months old. nobody wants to pay attention to that. we have clothes, new readings that say just about, without exception, every major report with a business conference, housing, durable goods, you name it, is the only positive, we are looking at nice of five to a year's back. >> it depends what you're looking at. buy liggett durable-goods numbers, yes, i completely agree that that was a very strong

number. we have some other readings in the dallas fed came out with very strong expectations. however, if you look a week does not a trend make in my mind. so if you lack the data over time and you looked at it on a weekly basis of for example, chicago. lou: can i interrupt because we're out of time, but the fact of the matter is these markets are reacting i'm just almost a hair trigger basis to short-term data points and input. and i agree with you about the long trend. i think every investor who has a brain is investing long-term. but that is not what the market has been doing all we would not be looking at 11200. swings says the 22nd of may. >> could not agree more. lou: barrell look really good if you can. >> well, for the rest of the year, we may balance a little bit more because i think the fed will have some rhetoric that says, you know, well, maybe we won't take progressively been abuzz think we will weaker into the air.

lou: all right. we thank you very much. i know these things are not disappointing to you as you trade these markets. we wish you continued success. >> thank you. lou: up next, a florida jury hearing a lot more about george zimmerman's passed. and why is the martin family in the courtroom, but not george zimmerman? "dobbs law" next. ♪

♪ lou: joining us now on today's historic supreme court ruling, two victories for equal rights, fox news legal analyst, criminal

defense attorney, criminal defense attorney. thank you both for being here. let me start with you very quickly. the defense ameritech decision, do you think it is rightly, correctly reasoned and concluded? >> just an idea, and it was a long time coming. so it is a very big win. lou: a very big win. >> i think it is a medium-sized wind. at think there was this pervasive. lou: you're going to fight. >> i think most people were hoping that somehow some way the supreme court was going to legalize gay marriage across the board. that did not happen, but it is a good step in the right direction. lou: this seems to me that this is a very, if i may say, decision by the supreme court. states' rights are asserted and given great, if you will, vitality by this decision, not? >> is, they have. throat -- throughout the decisions.

and it saying that marriage, domestic issues, those are to be decided by the state. lou: and proposition eight, california opening up a marriage as of right, throwing his decision back. >> in california and curious. we should have 12 states plus the district of columbia. i want to see how many more states follow through and how quickly. lou: 37 states banning gay marriage right now. the voting rights act, of controversy because the president and attorney general but saying they were disappointed and upset. attorneys general across the country cheering and particularly those affected by section four and five of the voting rights act. a good decision? >> well, i'm not going to policies saying it is a good decision. the issue here, as justice roberts wrote in his decision was that this is from 1975.

the issue i had is we have made strides, but it has been under the voting rights act. once it is gone, when section four and five, are we going to go back? stay where we are now, move forward? and that is an issue that we have not released as dupont. lou: i talk about the issue, the attorneys general of alabama and south carolina. south carolina winning its voter identification lawsuit against the justice department. those states have that incredible statistical support for their procedures and loss. this is -- i cannot see why we want to hang on to something that is immaterial to the outcome. >> and that is a really good point. the wealthy that decision is the federal government is saying we're not going to babysit you, but if you missed the eighth we will step back in and do something about it. that is irate. lou: attorneys general, allan

wilson of south carolina, those are two attorneys general, as the ministers of the law, not the language to phrase this -- the editorial laws and this is, they're going to sue them, but them in jail. >> the issue is sometimes there is conduct that falls below being illegal and what do you do in that situation? >> well, i don't think that you want to a politicize the justice department because -- and this seems to be an in powering for politicized justice departments. that is another part of the issue. ms. zimmerman trial. that was of the peculiar to me as a cross examination today. >> a, i thought that the defense closed on a wonderful note. they got this witness to come by the way to my daughter was weakk shaky, they get her to say that she did know. the jurors now are left with

that comment as they go on tonight and deliberate this. until tomorrow morning, and she will be back on the stand. i don't know a lot you, but i thought she showed a lot of frustration. frustrations for being a witness. lou: usa, give me a question. >> her credibility. when you want a star witness, the star witness does not have to be mother teresa on the stand, but she has got to be believable or you might as well discount everything she said. and the jurors to who -- if they think she is lying about one thing bill have to believe anything. >> and there has been in formation that she has not been truthful, honest about her age. see also light. >> exactly. exactly. lou: well -- >> she lied. she lied. lou: i have to be very careful.

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