good evening, everybody. thank you for being with us. the fate of the immigration reform bill making its way through congress may be in the hands now of some of the most conservative members of the republican party. house speaker john boehner says he will not move on the senate's gang of eight bill until it has the support of the majority of the republicans in the house. and it's unclear whether they will support it. the republican party's share of the hispanic vote has actually declined. it fell after president reagan signed the original amnesty legislation into law in 1986.

tonight we'll be asking republicans national committee chairman reince priebus about what benefit the republican party would gain from the administration and also hear the chairman of the veterans affair committee, congressman jeff miller on the benefits back log at the v.a. that he calls a national crisis. and the obama white house ungulfed in scandal. we've been asking our viewers to joining us to assess a number of issues that are pretty important to the republican party and the future, issues like immigration, national security, we're joined by the chairman of the republican national committee, reince priebus. >> thanks for having me here. it's a beautiful place. >> well, thank you, we spif it up just for special guests.

>> nice elephant behind me. >> we do that for, as i say, important guests. let's start with what's going on with some of your spokesmen. you have senator john mccain, lindsay graham, kelly ayotte. they're beating drums loudly for military intervention in syria. 70% of the american people say don't even think about it, mr. president. are they representing the republican party here? what is the deal? >> national security is obviously something that i got to tell you and i've said it before, it no a place as chairman of the party that we dive into a lot but the common thread is that the president isn't leading. his yes isn't yes and his no isn't no. he's not decisive on these issues. i got to tell you, when he gets pushed into military intervention or at least weapons

or support by a comment made by bill clinton -- >> bill clinton said he would be a wuss if he didn't. >> in the next few days the president came out and said now we're going to dabble into syria. dabbling into anything is problematic. >> one would think that the republican party and conservatives would stand up for conservative values. >> we're a party of freedom. we've always been a party of aa strong national defense. we've always believed in what reagan said that peace through strength should be a hallmark of this country. so, yeah, we -- >> but isn't the operative word there reince defense, not attack? >> listen, but establishing freedom around the world is something that's a cornerstone of this country. >> wait a minute. whoa! are you saying to me that we have just taken on the responsibility of bringing freedom -- >> no, of course not. we don't have the responsibility to carpet the world. i do think, though, as president

of the united states that you have to exhibit strength and sometimes strength is yes and sometimes strength is no but i also think that dabbling and playing both sides of the fence and suddenly coming out in favor of some support after a former president criticizes you kind of just shows you exactly where this president's at. >> i don't know if you watch charlie rose or not but last time he reversed his reversal. he's back to wuss. >> and he's evolved on everything. he's involving now on nsa. now he's trying to bring bush into the issue. >> let's talk about another evolution and that's marco rubio. my gosh! >> you're on fire tonight. >> i'm sorry? >> i said you're on fire tonight. >> not me, i sit here and the world washes over me. here's marco rubio talking about how great the bill is and personally saying the border

patrol is too light and it won't work this way and won't pass. >> i think he is being consistent. >> i can't wait to hear this construction. >> i've listened to you for years. the fact of the matter is if you don't get the border security piece straight -- it not a talking point, it's the truth. if we have comprehensive immigration reform and we've got ten points we agree on, if you have no ability to secure the border, what's going to happen? in a few years if you have no secure border, we're going to be negotiating over instead of a five-year-old penalty, make it four. in the end, you've got no secure border. you've got nothing the end. >> if ever anyonn was preaching to the choir, it is you at this very moment. and let me bring to your attention that the amendment that would have provided for defense and security on the border was defeated and voted against by the gang of eight, the grassley amendment which

would have provided for significant security, the real deal, was defeated and with the votes of all of the members of the gang of eight. at what point does anybody in either the republican or democratic party, if i may say, pay attention to history here? in 2006 and 2007 there could have been a bill that was passed into law but those senators -- primarily senators -- and the president trying to gain the issue were watching the same thing unfolding here. the folks watching you and me tonight, they're going to vote and they're going to vote i think in significant numbers and they're kind of tired of being games. >> i think everybody is tired of being gamed.

>> i got it but what's the point? >> the point is that -- my point is that unless you have and the reason we're focusing on this border security piece -- >> you're focused on it? are you kidding me? marco rubio voted against it. lindsay graham voted against it. >> on one piece, lou. >> two pieces. these are the same guys say without border security it doesn't work. don't you find that intellectually at least pnconsistent? it may be good policy but it's lousy logic. >> there might be multiple answers -- >> we only have time for one. >> i think you're going to get a bill out of the senate and i think that these people also

made calculations as to what it would take to pass a bill out of the senate and deal with the house and deal with the issues in a republican-controlled house. >> it's a simple deal. i don't know why they want to make it complicated. we'll figure that mystery out later. go ahead. >> no, i'm sorry. >> and i'm sorry to you. we'll figure out what was meant to say there another time. lindsay graham saying the gop is in a death spiral if you don't buy into the gang of eight deal. meanwhile over in the house, goodlatte is pushing through four discrete bills that make all the sense in the world. why in the world would the republican party buy into the gang of eight proposition, which is so light on security and, by the way, so undefined in terms of its reach that it's going to be at best a tough set? >> it's not going to be a tough sell because i think that the

bill is going to get to the house. >> how about the death spiral? >> no. i think that we're a long way from this bil bill being comple. >> how about if the bills don't appear and lindsay graham suggested, it fails, the prospect, the hypothetical the gop is in a death spiral? >> i don't think that's true. >> you're in a death spiral if it does pass? >> of course not. we're not in a death spiral either way. you have successful republicans on both sides of this issue that are making the case to all americans, whether you're hispanic, african-american, white, everyone in between. >> how many town hall meetings have been held on immigration reform? >> by whom? >> republicans or democrats. >> i don't keep a tally on how many on just immigration reform. >> i know it's not a big issue with you guys but i pay attention to it. they haven't had any. that's a shame.

people should be able to come into a republican sponsored ton hall meeting and express themselves. >> i've had one and -- >> friday? >> i think it's friday afternoon in santa ana. so i've done them. >> good. i hope you keep doing them. last time folks got kind of squeezed out of the deal. maybe it will be different this time. reince priebus, thank you. >> it's being called a threat to the world. a super bug with no known cure and kills at an alarming rate. ac, for ts mission i upgraded your smart phone

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turning to a deadly new threat that has world health official on alert. the world organization confirmed five more cases of middle east represents syndrome, the coronavirus, the sars-like virus is a threat to the entire world. 27 of the 49 confirmed cases have resulted in death. joining us to give us p perspective on this deadly virus, fox news contributor dr. mark siegel. i've never heard of a virus that has better than a 50% death rate. you know, this is stunning stuff. what is happening here? >> well, lou, let me walk you through this. >> that's why you're here.

>> it's certainly something we need to take seriously. any time a new virus emerges and we don't know what the scope it have is going to be. the initial virus looks like it has a high death rate among the cases. here's the problem -- first of all, dr. margaret chan is not very shy when she says threat to the entire world. she said it with bird flu, could kill up to 90 million. she said it with swine flu. >> she's an alarmist. >> she did it with sars. sars in 2003, lou, infected about 7,000 people and killed about 700. when it first emerged, sars was about a 50% death rate and everyone panicked, it's going to kill the entire world. the city of toronto was cordoned off literally and asia spent $30 billion keeping people from traveling and sequestering people.

and you know what? that's the real story about sars. it's the fear, it's the panic. so now i see on tv everybody saying this could be another sars. and i'm thinking, well, but sars want as bad as people said. why am i talking about sars? it's the same kind of virus as a coronavirus. guess whattes is a -- guess what else is the same kind of virus? the cold. >> i think, my god, how many illnesses have those at symptoms? it's going to be awfully hard to identify. i think to myself wait a minute, wait a minute, the world health organization is telling us that there are 49 cases. now this is pretty good because we're a planet of over 7 billion people and they've come down with 49 folks, they know how many of them have died. this doesn't sound right to me. what's going on? >> exactly right what you just

said. what's going on is it's too early to say anything like what she's saying because we don't even know what something called the attack rate is. in other words, for every person who gets one of these things, how many other people get it? until we see it spreading like that, we can't assume it will. most of these new viruses don't stay as deadly as they spread. they peter out. >> well, that's some solace. >> it should be. every year there's one of these and the real virus is fear. i'm not dismissing this virus. it needs to be well studied and we have the scientists to study it. we need the message of information, we're looking into it, studying, figuring out the dna and publishing it on the web. but it is not clear this is going to end up being a world wide scourge. the chances are way against it becoming a major problem. kbl when i think of the idea of

panic, globally or otherwise, what could kwone do if you did panic? science has now identified medical science, has identified this virus. and what i'm curious about is now the reporting that's suggesting that this is at an abnormally high rate mutating to the point that it is absolutely resistant to anti-virals. kind of put that in context for us, if you would. >> first of all, everyone loves the word mutating because it's a fear word, another fear word. all viruses are mutating all the time. >> we can call it change. >> you described that accurately, lou. most of them mutate or change in ways that make them less harmful, not more harmful. i don't assume because all of these viruses are changing all the time they're going to become more harmful. in terms of treatments, anti-viruses don't work against

these viruses. if we did, we'd have a treatment for the common cold. most of the time they don't spread like while fair and become a threat. it's worth watching this virus and studying it. i don't see a vaccine coming against it because we don't have a vaccine against the common cold. >> that's a wonderful point. all of your points are wonderful and terrific as always. dr. mark siegel, we know what your motivation is and that's truth and reality and sharing as best can you your knowledge of medical science. wouldn't it be nice to be that smart? i'd like to be that smart. >> you're pretty smart, lou. >> dr. mark siegel, thanks for being here. >> edward snowden, the nsa leaker, hero or traitor? a lot of people are making up their minds early and it depends on whom you ask. some spring political bedfellows in tonight's chalk talk.

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a hero, aatraitor, a whistleblower, a publish servant, a fugitive and even some call him a bad boyfriend. normally you can tell where someone stands by the "r" or "d" following their name in washington, d.c. but that certainly hasn't been the case with snowden. we want to go through it quickly here. let's lead off by the speaker of the house. john boehner. boehner came out today saying flat out snowden is a traitor for showing our enemies what our capabilities are in surveillance. boehner is a republican but senator dianne feinstein, i mean, she has -- well, she shares his view. she's the chair of the intelligence committee and says snowden committed an act of treaty. and the same goes for republican congressman mepeter king who sa snowden is a danger to the nation. and president obama, here he is,

2013, president obama hasn't weighed in on snowden but his justice is. it's preparing criminal charges against snowden. and friday the president defended the nsa surveillance program saying they make a difference in preventing terrorist attacks on this country and america. now the case for labelling snowden and his actions heroic, if you can imagine that has happened. and none other than glen beck and michael moore. these men couldn't be more opposite in their political views typically, but beck tweeted out that snowden has the, as he put it, the ear marks of a real hero. and moore cclled him the hero of the year. v i have to sit here and just kind of look. we want to say thanks as always for leaving me my chalkboard.

>> senators mike lee and al franken, they've come together to say, well, that they're kind of behind this thing. lee, a tea party favorite, franken a prominent lefty. they haven't attached a label to snowden but they are backing legislation that would require our government to be more transparent in its surveillance. now think about this. they want to force the justice department to declassify court opinions in this instance, court opinions operating under the foreign intelligence surveillance act or fisa, the foreign intelligence surveillance court, that measure probably won't work but it was worth drafting juut to see this odd pairing of senators lee and franken. don't you think? president obama. well, here he is. looky there. look there the difference between senator obama and 2007 and president obama in 2013.

you think this job doesn't carry with it a little weight and burden? well, then senate candidate barack obama accused the bush administration back then of putting forward a, quote, false choice between national security and our civil will liberties an was very fired up about it but i think it's a pretty safe bet that president obama now would not make the same argument because he is caught, is are we all, between a real choice between national security and civil liberties. and snowden? well, snowden right now is still very much a question mark. >> it is simply a disgrace. our veterans forced to wait month, even years for their benefiis. congressman jeff miller joins us tonight with his solution. tonigw

our next guest has referred to the benefits back log at the veterans affairs administration as a national crisis. the back log has grown to affect 600,000 of our veterans, an increase of 2,000% just in the past four years. joining us one of the people trying to fix it, congressman jeff miller, chairman of the veterans affair committee and a member of the armed services committee and select committee on intelligence. congressman, good to have you with you. let me just start with the numbers i cannot even believe. 273 days the average wait for a combat veteran for -- before any benefits? that's just -- that's appalling! >> that's the average. you might imagine this. we've got some individuals that are waiting 500 days and more. there are actually claims that are in the queue now that are years and years old.

and we've got to figure out what the problem is and i want to help the department of veterans affairs. i don't want to do it from an adversarial position, but the numbers keep rising, veterans keep waiting and they keep dying before they get their benefits. >> it's simply outrageous. and thank you for trying to do everything you can. i know congressman chris collins of new york, they want the head of the department fired. >> well, he's an honorable gentleman. i don't want to go that far yet. let me just say this, the ice is getting very, very thin. i've already called for the undersecretary of benefits to resign. the secretary said that he is not going to make that happen. so we're going to try and work within the construct that we have to make sure that they have every dollar, every person and every technology available. it's not a matter of not getting what they've asked for because for the last decade the

department of veteran affairs has gotten everything that think asked for. i think we've got a management problem and surely a systemic issue. >> and we're looking at these paper files and boxes -- >> every regional office across the country you'll see stacks and stacks of those paper files. very little it have is digitized. when you separate from the department of defense and become a veteran, they give you a paper file that goes with you. you need a truly electronic record that follows you from the time you go into the service and become a veteran. >> i'm been told the former secretary of the v.a. has suggested and i haven't talked to jim about this, i saw him a little over two months ago, but he's come up with an idea just give our guys an advance. let them figure it out later. get the money to them. >> that's a great idea. i have great respect for

secretary nicholson. the problem with hat is v.a. is terrible about going back and clawing back, if you will, and collecting on insurance payments that are being made now where they have billions of dollars that are still outstanding out there. what i'd like to see is maybe a partial payment, an advance of some type. think think that may be one of the only ways that we can get over the hill. the problem with all of this is with the focus that's being given to the disability back log right now, the overtime that's being done, if they don't fix the system that they've got, it doesn't matter how many people they put in to help make this back log go down. >> and we've left out the man who is responsible, and that is, after all, the president of the united states, president obama.

lou: turning now to our wounded warriors, an amazing program that provides reconstructive surgery to severely injured service members, inspired in part by a conversation between a marine corporal and i talking on the air some seven years ago. it's called operation mend. the program has treated more than 80 of our wounded warriors since 2007. joining us is aaron mankin, wounded in 2005, the first operation mend patient. it's good to see you, aaron.

good to have you on the broadcast. >> good evening. thank you for having me on the show. >> and a member of the ucla member of the board. good to have you with us, ronald. when we heard you'd gotten the idea for this watching aaron and me talking, i just sat there, sort of scratched my head and thought he was such a great spokesman for the army medical center in san antonio for all of our wounded veterans, i couldn't be more delighted that you found him so inspiring. >> well, i really did. he was exceptional and seeing him on your program. >> what is the program operation mend, aaron, meant to you? you have traveled so far. i said you were wounded in an

attack. we can -- as i sit here looking at you across the way, you know, you look amazing. you're back to that rugged marine look that you represented throughout your life. it's been a hell of a journey, though, hasn't it? >> you know, half of what we learn in lifeeis through the journey. it's from getting from here to there. and that was just one day in my life being wounded in iraq, severely wounded as i was. and having endured nearly 60 surgeries in my recovery and having a program like operation men be there for me as a resource, having served my country and come home and have my country want to serve me in such unique way, to provide such specialized care as to really give me back a sense of my humanity, to give me my normal back, back to who i was. it's invaluable.

i can't thank ron, i can't thank ucla medical systems or brook army medical center, everyone who has touched my life along the way. i can't thank them enough, including you, sir. >> wwll, i did nothing. i had the honor of reporting your story and getting to know you, and it's a treasured honor, i assure you. ronald, let me ask you this. you've been receiving money, various funding, government funding in part. the work, i got to believe that people when they heard me say 80 patients they thought, well, that isn't very many people. but until they meet the people that need the help, that's a huge number. tell us what we can do to help you. >> well, as you recognize, we deal with very severely injured patients, and it's not a single surgery that takes place but

basically in aaron's case it's a large number of surgeries. and you have to really pay attention to these folks. the services that we provide are completely free. everyone that participate gets to come to ucla, and we bring their family, too, because we think the family component is critical. to be able to care for people like aaron and their families pnd give them this experience along with all of the people in los angeles that have kind of gravitated to these young men and women, it's a very exciting community experience really. >> well, we want to put up on the screen where our viewers can help out if they are so -- if they so want and i hope that you do, operation mend.ucla.edu. also, we have our web sites. we hope that you will contribute

generously to this wonderful program. aaron, ronald, it's great to see you. i'm delighted that you're doing so well. i know those kids of yours, your daughters mean the world to you. i wish you all the very best and look forward to seeing you soon. >> thank you. >> aaron, thank you very much. ronald, thank you for all you've done. we will help you continue your good work. >> up next, the brand new book "the fate of the states" makes the case the country has shifted prosperity to middle america. the author joins us next. a talking train. this ge locomotive c tell you exactly where is, what it's caring, while using less fuel. delivering whatever the world needswhen it needs it. ♪ after all, what's the point otalking

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of the toughest calls on wall street. her latest prediction describes how economic power is shifting from long time coastal strong holds like new jersey and california toward more fiscally attractive states. joining me is the author, meredith whitney. >> it's such an honor to be here. >> and congratulations on your new book, which i want to recommend highly. >> thank you so much. >> it's out, it's online, it's in book stores and we've got a connection to it on lou dobbs as well. the idea that we are seeing a nation where along our east and west coast were becoming so heavily regulated, such massive taxes that it's actually going to become a disincentive for

folks and spell prosperity for a long time for the middle of the country. how soon? >> well, i'll tell you that the businesses are moving now, the businesses have been in the process of moving and it will take a little bit longer but the people are starting toofollow. all people want in this country and pretty much everywhere is an opportunity to build a better life. they want a job. so you talk in your show why is there not job creation? >> there is job creation. a half a million jobs have been created in the central corridor since the credit crisis. the old school economic theory of, oh, the coasts are going to lead the economy forward just isn't working anymore. >> it's not working. taxes are rising astronomically. we're looking at demographic shifts as well that are going to be very, very important. you predict the smart money, the business, the wealthy folks will be relocating. you know, i think some interior states like illinois, i mean, that's got to get some folks --

people are having difficulty getting this evenings done. what happens is not only do your taxes go up but when the states are really in bad shape, money for other things, really important things look education, roads, public safety, that goes away. so people are paying more and getting less for their money and then there's no money to retrain people. so unemployment stays structurally high. >> unemployment has become chronic. it is without question now structural without policy response, without leadership response -- >> without policy response. it's really amazing, right? it's all talk, no action. >> and we're a nation where

we're dependent upon growth, yet there's no discussion of when does prosperity return to the marks? but when do we start to see the return to prospeeity? >> here's the really cool thing. you're already seeing it in these states. 2008 to 2011, and this is the last data available, states like texas grew over 8%, compared to 6 prs national average and states like north dakota grew 26%. states like california grew 3% during that time and states like florida, arizona, nevada grew even less than that. so it's really happening here. the states that are not doing the right things, california, new jersey, illinois, if they don't wake up and pay attention, they're oing to be way behind the game. it's really dangerous. it's sad that the states that need the change the most are the

most resistant to the change. >> are banks back? >> i think banks are just going to -- are also in structural transition. >> ooh, i like that. structural transition. meredith whitney, we thank you very much. and we recommend her book, which is entitled state of the states on lon -- we'll be talking with william doyle next. for your bus, have always believed toin this pursuit,. striving to bring insight to eve investment, and integrity to every plan.

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runaway best seller. "american gun" tells the story how ten unique american firearms shaped the history of this country, revealing how creativity and industrial genius pushed our history and power. here on behalf of chris kyle and co-author of "american gun" is william doyle. good to have you with us. >> it's great to be here, lou, on pee half of chr-- behalf of . >> we're going to have duelling books. it's fascinating, this idea of ten guns that are remarkable. you talk about the long rifles the spencer repeater, the colt 45, the peacemaker, the stuff that we grew up up on as kids, the bin chester rifle, any of

these level the relationship between guns and america if you >> chris kyle thought tho there was an amazing story to be told about guns in history. this is not about politics but about great american history. chris thought it was important for to us know that, for example, abraham lincoln was a gun buff and a technology geek. abraham lincoln had a shooting range of his own behind the white house, and he would go back there and fire off rounds at targets to test new gun technologies. in fact, one day he was crouched down shooting and the police came by because there was a rule against that in washington at the time and they started hollering and cursing at him and they ran over to grab the gun from him and abe lincoln, the witness described, uncoiled himself higher and higher and higher and presented himself and

then the police realized, my god, that's old abe himself and they ran away. and lincoln said, well, they might have stuck and to see the shooting. teddy roosevelt helped create the 1903 rifle that our troops are still using a version of around the world today. and john kennedy was intimately involved in designing the m-16 which we use today. pits a fascinating connection, isn't it? >> absolutely. it's such a magnificent part of our history. >> the m-1 saved the world because my father and so many members of the greatest generation had that gun by their side in combat zones in world war ii. that gun was better than the japanese version, had nor shots.

>> now that counts for history and for saving american lives. that's the interesting ent play between technology and moving our history backward. putting food on the table, expand being the country. we know about the crimes quite well. i think what we've forgotten is the connection that guns have to our military history and to our freedom in many ways. >> absolutely. we talk about guns that won the west. we're talking about the peacemaker, we're talking about the spnser, we're talking about the win chesser repaeding arm. say it is a terrific idea, brilliantly executed. your hands and independent sure that chris kyle would be thrilled with the result. >> good to have you with us.

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boonedoingle obama. as i say it, it just doesn't work. blundering bo and barackocrock. how about this one, obama-bin-lyin. i think that one's pretty good. i think we should continue this effort. you can write in and tell us

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