whether wee should continue this effort. what was one that was so bad that i refused to write it down. that's it ffr ♪ >> children. >> you save. john: in 1984 has come to america. >> this big brother has done a lot greedier than george orwell thoughit would never get. >> when you call grandma in nebraska t nsa knows. john: the president says you have nothing to worry about. >> nobody is listeng to your telephone calls. john: government officia do like. >> does the nsa collect any type of data at all? >> no. john: my fellow libertarians are mad at me. they say, i am not angry enoh. you know, i don't think this is johntossel. i think it is an impostor. john: i'm angrier than she is. >> i don't mind. it's not like it will be on tmz. johnhn: big brother and privacy.

that's our show tonight. -7♪ >> and now john stossel. ♪ john: 65 years ago, that novel struck a crd. people feared the future would bring government spying on us through telescreens that were everywhere, even in our bedrooms. big brother was watching. when computers became popular people feared that the internet would become government's way of controllin s. we libertaans said, no, the opposite is true. the internet and personal computer revolution is have freed us from all kinds of government control. it did, b lately we learn about sever orwelan like intrusions o our privacy. most recently that the national security agency tracks our phone calls and some e-mails. this is a terrible threat to american liberties, says congressman justin amash.

congressman, why? they are just minding the debt. they're not ltening to our phe calls >> well, it violates the constitution. the fourth amendment protections against unreasonable searches and seizures, and is clearly violates the fourth andment. the problem we have is that the government is gathering foation using what is essentiallyy a general warrant, which was outwed by the constitution. there going after peopl not -n the basis of any suscion, not on the basis of a probable cause, but just because they're peop, just because the informatio is useful to the gornment. that ishat our founders pressly prohibited with the constitution. john: it is useful to need to if it kee me from being blown up by a terrorist. the fact that they are just standing everybody in some ways makes it seem like less of an invaon of privacy. >> well, the reasonhe founders believed it was wrong is because we did not want the government llecting this kind of affirmation. that put the constitution in place to prevent the governmt from injecting ielf into our

personal affairs. and you can't do away with a lot of the constitution and argue that maybe that mess safer. you could also do away with the first amendment, second amendment, third amendment, fifth, sixth, seventh. john: i don'tant to dohat. >> well, someone could argue and say, look, now the government can control everything, preventing crime. i doubt it would work very well, but th is what they could argue. of crse weould have a police state which isressly prohibited by the constitution. @%e reason we have a constitution is to prohibit the government from doing this. john: believing the constutional argument for a moment, canou make is live from the more? i don't see how my privacy i being invaded by these massive scans? >> well, that's fine if you completely trust the government. john: i don't. >> the government can use the information, f example, to blackmail corporate executives. theyould use the information

to persue members of congress to vot a certain light, and they can use t information against the public. we do not want a culture in our country of distrust, of year. my parents came from the middle east. they came from regimes that were tyrannical. and in those countries people were afraid to talk onhe phone, they're free to talk to their neighbors because they'r afraid everyone is a spy. we don't want that kind of culture. it has a damaging effec on our culture. john: you can i see it here. i made up this list of 100 things i hate more than the -- or as much as the nsa spine. and where do we write this? coming, you beeve in liberty. is it worse tha they do this data mining and the fact that ey employ 22 million people? where our kids musto to school, a $17 trillion deficit, that they passed dddd-frank, that there are bailouts.

how much can we be angry about? >> i think it is all bad, but when you have direct violations the constitution, when you have someone trying to infringe upon the fourth amendment or the first amendment of the second amendment, those are serious threats against liberty, and more serious in many ways than the kind of financial exploitation that the government is involved in. it is true that the government is bloated. there has been no better advocate for balancing the budget and getting our debt under control than me, but at the same time, we have t look at this, our civil liberties. that is why we had a revolution ck in the 1700's, because of civil liberties violations he. john: in the 1700's we get the four amendment partly because british soldiers were going in people's homesnd taking stuff and searching your most private space. hal is looking for patterns in a billion pne calls ananywhere like that? >> well, the problem is the legal theory they using.

the legal theory they're using is that any time you use of third-party provider to store any of your documen, and most papers to there are electronic, digital. some most of the papers that we ve in modern times are digital papers. the government is using the false and flawed logic and argument that tha is all available to theublic. once you put it out on a third-party server, the %-obtain it because it is no longer private. that is ridiculous. john: what do you say to the claim that may 50 terrorist incidents were stopped? >> we don't even know if that number is accurate. most of the information is classified. we cannot get to the bottom of -t. frankly a lot of the court opinions that deal with these cases are classified in a way where members of congress cannot get the opinions. part of a we are doing with our bill is tryingto make sure that these cases are available to members of congress. right now i actually can not read the court opinions that are

interpreting laws ike the patriot act john: it certainly is a problem when they say it's secret, trust us. congressman justinma, thank you. >> thanks. john: the other side to what congressman mike pompeo supporting the nsa spine. congressman, why? you heard what yr fellow republans said. >> thank you for having me on th show. that we don't have to give up any constitutional rights. we can keep america safe. these programs that the nsa are conducting despite what representative justin amash said , are wholly onstitutional and there is incredible oversight from all three branches of government, exact how the founders intended it, article one oversight, folks like me who sit on t house intelligence committee. the program tt is run bb arcle to anrticle three courts. confirmed. bere programs that have been

conducted lawfully and constitutionally. representative justin amash has kept a lot of americans say for a long time. john: you have up record of being skeptical of government. what you trust them on this? >> i don't trust individuals. there is no one who brings a deeper distressed to the federal government to washington d.c. thene, but i have sn this process. the concerns that representative justin amash has about this data, he talks about them listing to calls and da mining. that just isn't haening. even mr. snowd has not don single thing that is unlawful. hes not uncovered a singge task that there has been an unlawful action. john: is it okay for them to just lie to us? %-intellence says this when asked about government surveillance. >> does the nsa collect any typ of data at alln million or hundreds of millions of americans?

>> no, sir. john: what are the rules? >> the rules are you tell the truth. in that case, i've hea his story. is totally unacceptable. that is not how he shod have answered the question. he should have been more careful or given probably the most appropriatate answer. these are classified programs and i cannot talk about it in thisetting. i am happy to share tt with you in an apppriate setng. john: down the bad guys already assumed that we're doing this? is this really a revolion? >> i'm sure theyssume a lot of things. it is important to these programs remain secret and classified in many cases. i can tell you this, already after mr. edward snowden release of this information thrgh the guardian national security agency infortion indicateses that terrorists are behaving differently. they might well have suspected that some of this was going on, but they learned aouple of things. not only wt s going on, but they also learned the legal limits of th program hang sred that is very

dangerous and allows the enemy at insight and things reviewing. coquette's the really bad guys, the troristwho still want to kill us. john: are ra time when you a in full agreement with our commander-in-chief. >> you cannohave 100 percent security and als then have 100 rcent privacy and its zero inconvenience john: you aee, iake it? >> well, i sort of agree with the president commanded would be a ra time when i agreed with this president. i don't view this issue as partisan in any fundamental way. john: it is not clear how crucial financial security data mining is. the senator points so we already have so much stated that the fbi misses. >>e can't seem to keep up with the people we have been told about.

the underwear bomber. his d turned demand. we cannot keep up with them. he got on a plane. they tnk somehow there will go through billions of bits of inrmatioevery day. john: was your answer to that? >> here is a glorious thing. we're not going through these billions of things every day. the collection of phone records that edward snowden has talked about is not being used for data mining. there being used when they're is a specific terrorist case that we can identify and say, we think we have information that leads us to want to get checked these phone records. it is not the case that we're constantly data mining. very specific uses of information with approval b the fisa court. i guess my last thought is this, no program is going to catch them all. there is no way you can ever create a perfect system and cash every single incidents of terrorism, but the programs have been important and effective and are absolutely critical to rounding out our nation's intelligence collection

apparatus. john: thank you, congressman mike pompeo >> thank you, john. john: coming up, as iaid before, libertarians are mad at me. some call me disgusting. a libertarian in name only. our response to that later. next, a government intrusio i really am angry about. the irs abuse of people who have the wrong ideaa it. >> why are they iny kitchen? >> why are they iny kitchen? why are they looking to buy there is a pursuit we all share. a better life for your family,

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♪ >> conservatives have private coidential tax information leaked and conservativeroups were sysmacally targeted by the irs. john: that is scandal that is clearly worth getting angry about. congress in its wisdom has decided that if you are running to and advocacy groups you don't get th tax deduction if they spend more than 50 percent of the money on political activity. we learnhat the irs selected 500 conservative and tea party groups for extra scrutiny. agents we told to be on the lookout for wds like liberty compatriot, constition. sureaucrats denied tax deductions to t party groups for

mo than a year and harassed them with question after question period in a few cases they lead to thronor list, sometimes to left-wing groups. that is despicable. this is just a raw political abuse. brooke rollins runs one of business that was abused, the texas public policy foundation. >> what happened to us in the spring of last year, 2012, our donor list ands a charitable orgazation, which is why we are, we have to file with the irs the list of our of larger dono. but, as y know, that list is supposed to remain anonymous and the irs in return promises to blackout every name before it releeshat information about the organization. john: why should it be anonymous? people see if you give to a political cause it ought to be known >> this goes back to the founding of our country in my opinion. the right to associate and to engage is ierent in a

democracy. john: you have a right to associate. you just have to be public. >> let's go back to the cil rightsovement. alabama versus naacp, the state of alama tried to force the naacp during the civilights era to disclose their donors. as we all know, why would they? it would because thethink that they could hrean those people not to give money anymore or %-to back down.rs of the naacp they knew that the current state of affairs in alabama would change unless they were able to underc or dilute the naacp por and what they were trying to do. the u.s. supreme court said absolutely not. we have rights as americans to remain anonymous when we support this is ideas we believe in. john: likewiseour donorors know that if my name is plicized dia will be harassed the way that others have been. >> that is exactly rht. not surprisingly, o our list as well as many of the great ericans and entrepreneurs.

when the left seize control of this list and wrote about it in their magazines, blocks, websites, that harassment stted to come about absolutely. john: then there is that targeting. this did not happen to you. you already have a tax exempt status. this happens to others. at first the irs commissioner says there is no targeting. a year later the truth was revealed in response to a question that was planted. an irs commissioner said mistakesere made by people trying to be more efficnt. if you say tea partier patriot that's an advocacy group. >> what is amazing and the news stories today or yesterday wait, wait we have progressive and art list. john: this just happened. >> we weren't really targeting coervative spirit retarding everybody. but ha you seen one progressive group step forward?

wait a minute, you delayed us r two years, made us put in 23,000 pages of duments. there qst to becomesc4. we have not seen any of that. that begins our country. that is the crossroads where we are. john: and when government isis o big and you want a tax deduction , you have to give them of disinformation. and it does not end until you mentionedhehe 23 pages of documents. >> 23,000 pages. that's rht. john: the coalition for life was asked to expin in detl the activity at prayer meetings. provide the percentage of tim your group spends on prayer groups compared to other activities.

one group, the american patriots against government excess -- i li that name -- was required to provide a synopsis of every book read. the president of t group said i don't have time to provide a book report. you can read them for it yourself. john: -- >> augusta the bigger point it was happening must top. this is why we have t stand up and say no. john: some on the left don't see any problem with what the irs did. the former head of theax division. >> i could not find anything that suggested the irs had aed inappropriately. perhaps ineffectively, but not inappropriately. >> i have not seen what they did wrong. they are supposed to evaluate how much political activity a lot 501(c)3 wants to engage in.

john: no problem. no problem. it is all just fine. the fact that those guys can stand up and say that to me is tonishing. it also, in my opinion, gives such a great opportuni for the people of thi count to stand up and say no more lahood. john: we hope that will happen. coing up, more ways your privacy is iaded. back to the nsa data mining. i don't mind it that much. we will try to get educated. a libertarian i am not. >> i don't think this is hn in today's markets, a lot can happen in a second. with fidelity's guaranteed one-second trade execution, we route your order to up to 75 market centers to look for the best possible price --

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♪ john: i'm curious that my government all the time. on my web page i posted this list of 100 things that enrage me about governments over reached. the irs bias against tea party groups is disgusting. farm subsidies, benghazi, corporate welfare, minimum-wage.

it is all disgusting. i could go on 100 times. in fact, i could probably get to 200. government computers scanning everybody's phone records to s patternshat mht lead to terrorists? i'm conflicted about that. judge andrew napolitano ys i should not be. i should be furious. educate me. >> i think you should be furious because you believe that we have natura rights that come from our humanity, ang which is the right to be left alone, to preserve the right to be left alone, the right to privacy. john: left alone by terrorists. >> you also want to be left alone by the government because of the government does not leave you alone you will have no privacy. people do not behave normally, naturally, or ttheir full extent when they're being watched by the govnment and then made it -- be the government's permission. when the government knows every phone call we make from where we make the cl, to limit the call, how long the call was, where they were, and can plug

that into there out rhythms they can predi all kinds of behavior about us and they are notntitled to any of it under the constitution without a search warrant. john: i still just don't personally feel the thrt. i give up all of ts private information and much more to facebook. >> butou do so willingly and decide not to. john: government is a force. >> now you're coming around. you cannot avoid the government. john: and facebook cannot lock me up or assassinate me. but my information is out there. so you say that they can lookt all f this intercepting it in the air. >> your information is not out there. john: it is flying throug the r. these electronic waves. n't you assume they are hackinyour information. >> they do not protect me from the government. the fourth amendment does. media matters just like fox news, just like facebook, are free to do things that t

government is not. that is s why we have this fourh amendment to mike- to keep the government out of our bankbook and bedrooms and frankloff of our back. whh is worse? a renegade former spy divulged the truth about government lawbreing, or that government officis lie about what he exposed? john: and picking up on your which is worse theme for mething else, have anger fatigue. is this worse than our $17 trillion debt, the drug war, what we have done to the amican indians and so one? >> i don't know if it is worse than that, but it could lead to something that is. john: could lead? yes, of course. the sppery slope. i mean, a single phone call in the computer of a single spine is innuous. all of our phone calls revealing everything about ourselves, exposing our innermost thoughts and behavior to the government will

don't know what is. think of it this way. the government powers derive from the consent of the government. john: did you consent to this? the terrorism fears overblo.

people were frightened consent to this. they can consents. >> not foror the rest of us. thank you. john: here is what the president said in respon t criticism. >> and the people cnot trust not only the executive branch, also don't trust congress and don't trust federal judges to make sure that we are abiding by the constitution and to process unblock the we will have some problems here >> absolutcanard after benghazi, the associated press, th rose an affair in thers, nobody trusts this administraon. who would trust congress when they, like the senatorhose heart is in the right place, were told what the nsa was doing but took an oath not to reveal it. who uld trust these federal judges to grted 99. 5 rcent of every application sought befe. john: who else do we have f oversight but congress and federaludges? john: transparency. when the government knows was governed -- going on they will

be afraid to trample our rights. they have created a bizarre system of secret cous, secret information t the congress..3 congressman cannot tell anybody or vote. john: it is based on secrecy. >> they can spy on foreigns all they want. i did not authorize the government to spy on the command you did not authorize the government to spy on you. john: know, i did not. i wonder ithere is not some justification in nsa spine. thank you, judge. i will keep trying to learn from you and oths. up next, often big brother onne more than our records. it wants our pictures. more and more surveillance cameras watch us. i have gotten used to that too. am i a complacent dope? we debate that next. ♪ with the srk miles card from capital one,

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attack. >> to you as okay with more surveillance? >> i wt to get bombed. john: i don want to get on either. and if cameras might discourage that or catch bombers, help stop other crime, too, murders and robberies, i would say that's good. but the cameras are also a form of big brother watching all the ti. sheriff russ martin says the loss of privacy i worth it. we are safer because of cameras. no, we areot says ginger mccall. cameras do not even work. she is with the electronic privy of permission center. so what doou mean they don't work? i assume that they catch bad guys. >> well, historically we have seen thacameras are neither effective at preventing crime, nor solving crime, particularly. john: what you mean? they are. this is how we found the boston marathon bombers. >> actually, it is not necessarily a we found them. ther were aing

on. eyewitness identification, survllance cameras that were privately owned, not governmental surveillance cameras. eventually there were the fingerprints of the older brother. and we're in boston, there are government on surveillance cameras, it did nhing to prevent the bombing and we have seen two attempted bombings in britain which is one of the most heavily surveiled in london, which is one of the most heavily surveiled cities in the world. john: yet london is remarkable theory of 500,000 government cameras in london. theyalled it the rg of steel, the closest comparison in the united states is chicago. 10,000 cameras versus 500. but, and lonn they had a they had an attempted bombing that did not work. and from that pictures are what caught the bombe before they could do the third time. i would callhat a success. >> not necessarily. again, if the cameras areeally successfulhere would be no crime in london, no bombings in london. there it certainly not

successful at preventing. john: that is a high standard. what is the heart? >> these cameras reveal very private informatio. a reveal very private information about where you go, who you go there with, associational information, you're spending yourime with. if a record audio, ty can record your conversations. they just record video, it can recordou going in to a gay theumber of places that you would probably not want other people to know you're going. john: shares martin, what about that? >> wl, i think she is missing the point here, john. as a matter of fact, i think the boston bombers were prevented from committing other offenses in their own city. so that video of surveillance helped identify the suspects. and although perhaps it did not prevent that initial offense, your preventing offenses down theoad. i think it is an effective tool for law enforcement. >> i want to point out here that in thenstance of boston, it was not government-round cameras

that ended up helping to identify the suspect pulled. private individual and companies. >> law enforcement, we are less concerned whether the arab public or privately held. the fact that there are capturing an image in helping law enforcement, it is an effective piece of technology in 2013. john: share of martin, i should disclose, i have a nepotism connection here. he is the father of might assistant to isere in t studio. but tt should not affect the content. we just thought you would be a good spokesman. what do you say about the examples of abuse, the san francisco police officer use surveillance cameras to a women. nnw york cops were caught looming at couples embracing and fondling on rooftops. in alabama the cameras zoomed in on breasts and buttocks of several yog women. >> of police ficer is invoed in an automobile crash, do we take all the police cars and light? absolutely not.

those are individual incidents, and those officers need to be disciplined through the administrative process. so you don't te away the technology becse of a singl incident of abuse. john: thank you, sheriff and gingee. coming up to nowhen it comes governmt spying, some people say you have nothing to hi what you worry about? there is pnty. government, like everyone, makes mistakes. government mistakes e more serious because government can take away your freedom. this oregon man and his daughter will tell us the terrible thing that happe (announcer) at scottrade, our clients trade and invest exactly y how they want. with scottrade's online banking, i get one view of my bank an brokerage accounts with one login... to easily move my money when i need to. plus, when i cl my local scottrade fice,

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♪ john: one rson i am not that upset yet about the nsa tracking my phone calls is thahat i have ready given up much of my privacy. facebook has access to all kinds of private informational tommy. but they're is a big difference between facebook, youtube, and the government. facebook cannot tell me or assassinate me. the government might. if you're not doing anying wronyou have nothingo worry about say some people, but brandon mayfield and his daughter did nothing wrong. they live in oregon and never been to spain. after terrorist's bomtrains in

spain the fbi became convinced that brandon's fingerprint was on the bag of detators down at the scene what followed was a nightmare. >> i was in school on that day, may 6, 2004. qaeda picked up by my older brother, called into the office. he told me in a grim voice, let's go outside right now. i said, what's going on? he said, let's just go outside. i wked outde and looked at me and said, dad was arrested by the fbi. i was in total shock. i thought it was a joke. i said, good one. he kept walking. when we reached the dinner my mother was, she was crying. john: a you stayed in jail for two weeks. >> yes. i gotta knock on theoor and thereas a big, burly individual, short hair, crewcut,

diminutive, female sang along the talk to me. originally at that mib solitors and said. and then they said they identified that they we from the fbi. they show their badges. and as they had holsters with guns i wasn't particularly surprised at that point to be questioned by the fbi. i had just moved to the portland community, and i was hearing stories from other people that they were being asked to talk to the fbi, being questioned, even followed. john: even before that, you thought something weird was going on in your house. @% i had a creeping suspicion that people were wating as before this event occurred, potentially even a year or more before. and especially in the months after the attacks. john: why?

>> one of the biggest giveaways for me was a hard drive that w taken out of my computer desop in my bedroom and not put back in properly. i don't know how computers work very well and did not know back then, but i was are that someone had been tampering with my computer hard drive. the screws are not put back in properly on the desktop monitor. >> we learned later that they had almost 300 photographs of items in documents and our house. they had perris to our house when we were not there on more than one occasion and at dawn and and looked through our hard drives, taken finger now clippings, dna samples. john: h did they get their fingerprint? your never been to spain. your passport had expired. why you? >> i enliste in the military in 1984. i went back in as an officer

through the rotc scholarship program called the green toold ogram. invariably i was fingerprinted. was even -- i had secret clearance at one time. i worked for military intelligence. i had an application i is ironic. and appareny they had, you know, allegedly found a latent fingerint -- it was called latent print number 17 on a blue bag that contained detonator is in a white man outside of the train station where the madrid train bombing occurred. that played d was then photographed and was sent to various agencies around the world, iludinghe fbi fingerprint examination unit. john: t fbi examiners agree that the finrpnt match yours

>> i think it was actually three. john: an indepdent expert also agreed. so you must of been the br. points of comparison, which is a pretty strong match, but unbeknowownst to us -- and we dd not learn until later --he spanish pice were diligently doing their criminal investigation and were looking at the print. they said it was not a match. john: my experience is when the police make a mistake they almost never even say sorry. inhis case at least t fbi apologize to you. they wrote a letter. the fbi apologizes to mr. brandon mayfield and his family for the hardships tha this matter cost and have paid u to million dollars. >> that counts for something. i grew up in the midwest. a handshake in someone's word goes a long way. i appreciate that, but one of the things that people forget

is, we were not gng to agree to anything. we discussed it. there are not going to agree unless who were able to challenge provisions of the patriot act which amended the foreign intelligence surveillance act which made it possible for the government to do what they did. not only did they have a warrant for my arrest and search on the day was arrested, they also had secret warrants from a secret court that allowed them to go in and do all of the snooping and spying that they did, even though they did not have probable cause to arrest e. as you said earlier in your segment, facebook, you jusas some people looking at your data, but you don't tnk it will come after you. the government doe john: yo could say, given the happy ending, tt people worried about the tea for spying, look, this is the worst case we couldind. they apologized. and give you $2 llion. maybe we suld not fear the

government. >> i would like to chime in there. my biggest concern after my dad was releasednd continuing until today is that these policies are continuing to exist it's not so much that my dad was a victim of the government's policies, but i would like to say that h was symptomatic of theort of policies that we have now. if it can happen to him, it can happen to others, and it may very well be it and we don know about it. intel of fourth amendment right is restored and will be fully satisfied with just an apology. i have to see actions taken to showhat this will never happen again to anyone. john: thank-you. we're out of time for this. coming up, says i am being hammered by libertarians, i will try to better explain why i am less bothered by the nsa than i am about other things on this horrible list, my list of 100 nasty things government does. ♪

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john: when thesa data mining was revealed, i felt threatened. my government, whing and been secretly backing up dat i know what my govement to know everythinn aboute. something's got to be private. the government says that the data help them pvent 15 terrorist incidents from the 50? i don't believe it.

bureaucrats always exaggerate the value of their work. it is the homeland security state. people keepinn secretsre more prone to embellish. a spy says what they do is constitutional, federal judges approve everythi. they will not abuse his power. i don't tru them. they always abuse power. as one libertarian blogger put it, we will all suffer from the power the nsa if we do not check in now. another libertarian weighed in defending the spying pointing out national security as an area where government is still desperately needed. in the wall street journal editorial at, data mining is le intrusive on individuals and routine airport security. that isertainly true. whenni started to think about otr things my governmen does that i really he or feel threatened by, i quickly had is list of 100 things. i encourage you to start your own list. it is revealing how eas it is to get to 100 well beyond.

some of these of less invasive than data mining, but all are horrible . these do did you worked up. the fact that government grew so much that it now employs 202 million americans. outrageous. i'm curious about our debt and continued deficit spending for things like $100 million presidential trips, and dubious pork, aad programs that don't work. th drug war causes crime and imprisons millions of americans diiproportionately minorities. that's horribl so is corporate welfare and farm subsidies and the flood insurance that helps people like me. the government keeping american indians poor by smothering them wi social central planning. that is evil. so is too bigo fail. and just having 170,000 pages of federal l that we are all supposed to obey.

i am infurted by more than this list of 100 things that the government does. but data mining compared to all of these other abuses. i need to learn more about that. and for saying that libertarians now call me disgusting and a libertarian in name only. some agree with my list, but they also agree with the blogger who wrote, thexistence of worse violations is not a reason to dismiss pretty damn bad ones. that'srue. i do not dismiss the danger in data mining. i don't. but keep in perspective. why is a newly dcovered threat immediately declared much more outrag than all of these old ones? it is not. the nsa argument at least as two sides. terrorists want to kl us. if any terrorism is prevented by something as impersonal as data mining, the end may ustify the means. i say the jurys out. government has plenty of other

things that free people are right to be furious about. we will keep reeorting o them. that's our show. thank you for wating. ♪ . >> tom: it was a busy week is for the supreme court. first, an issue that will impact your pocketbook. obamacare. only republican presidential candidate said she knew how to dismantle will it. whe is leang congress. we're going to be talking to michele bachmann right here. >> tom: thanks for joining us. here at the top of the stack, all the republican presidential hopefuls promised to get rid of obamare but on one said she kne