i love it. >> you only get that fair kick in the butt right here. >> all good sports. okay, now, how many times have i said i here, right? we're not red o blue, we're just green her you're money, who is spending it, who is waing it. imagine my shock when i discovered this week the irs is copying us but in reverse. because while we are practicing what we are preaching, the tax man is preaching but he's not practicing. that's not fai that's not balanced, that's nuts, and i'm not a lawyer, but i also think that's illegal. an invitation might be the most serious form of flattery, but

ununless they open a bunch o bakeries in my name, big on fair and balance. the never mind doesn't make him any less of a big lully. i've had time to go into how many liberals there are, and let's just say not many. according to an agent's watchdog, only a handful were talking about the irs versus about a ndred conservative ones. only those who had words likike occupy or reportedly keystone in their nae, which could lead a non-lawyer, that would be me, to think there still might have been an agenda to all of this. but enough of this. to target those who might be unfriendly to the administration. but agn, enough of that. i want you to think about th the media drops an entire irs story. the irs was still on a hunt p

but who those groups were filing those forms. their data didt get the irs' attention. they did, their views did. so i don't thk if the ratio. leaving aside the very still lopsided now. an agency who is supposed to be about spread sheets and now daring to spread this sheet? okay, that's it. a li a. she will be back next week, so she missed all this grand thear. what do you make of all this? >> don't you guys find it interesting when they think the best option is to clm incompetency. >> careful, i i built aareer out

of it, but go ahead. >> i don't care about the statistical ano, ma'am lee, underscores while they try to -- you ultimately strip away your n rights and that's not how is country was built. >> it's covered to say we went after liberals, too, when you went after that groupup or othe oups, not the numbers they put on paper but who they were putting the numbers on paper. >> when you take a look at what th actually did, all they did was pull up their names on the list. they didn't actually stop them from getting the t exempt status or slow them down or lose their file the way they did t other groups. >> nothing approaching the body cavity searches. > somebody has to go to jail here, or this is going to coinue. i think people still need to

continue to get very upset about this and not let it go. if you think. irs isn't negatively going to jail, what do you think? >> well, my feelings on this, neil, i think they should apply the la equally. i have problem with any drups getttti getting. >> they did target conservatives, who i think our mainstream conservative groups are right of center s group, then that's a bizarre.

>> have you evereen either this is acceable behavior the part of the irs or it isn't, and it doesn't matter what yo and i think about the political leengz of these groups. i think that's your point, neil. if it's wrong,t's wrong. and i don't think charles the media -- neil is the media, too, i hate to tell you -- the media is not leaving this story alone and the investigation is goin on. >> it did loseot of its oomph and it was almost a collective relief. ben stein, they almost seemed collectively relieved, not to the extent you think or the ringing kind of questioning that we grew t knew.

and that's a relief to them. >> there is a giant elephant in the room here whic nobody seems to be talking about, which is the conservativeroups were talked about wildly business proportionately. who is a great pal of the united stes. theyhate, hate, hate the conservatives. and the question a asked, and very mh delad. these people get into their tax exempt status. this was a hearing on -- and asking them. they were enormously burdened from the getapo questions. >> i'm i the process of proposing a book on this. when i talk to people about proposing a book, guess what they're saying? they're also targeting liberal

groups, it's not just conservatives. >> it could be they just don't like you. >> that too. most people don't like me. . >> because. >> i think that's our point, they should be. >> that's not e point i'm mang. i'm getting a point i. >> we know that's nonsense. >> who at theirs is going to sue you? >> i don't know. >> we all know when you talk about taking lertys from people, it all hurts them. we should get back to therux of it. the idea that the tea party was deliberately targeted, they were dalgt pr -- it really feels like

that. i want to find out, who mentioned going to jail? you mentioned going to jail -- >> and we're noloser to find out which is the start. you have to find out where it started to make sure it doesn't happen again, and under the hatch act, they may go to jail. you can't federal eyes. nothing ever gets drasd back to obama. benghazi doesn't get traced back to obama, the nrs doesn't get traced back to obama. the wall the polical people have put around obama is just incredibly burdened and the media doesn't bother with it. >> it has to go further than the fact that lohse. there is a simple solution to this. let's start reporting.

>> there is a thing that we should be pushing this issue and do. this direct line to the white house, neil, you should be commended. what going on here? >> i would only point out you and neil are not the only one, and charlie is too busy pushing book poposals -- >> oh, no,ou didn't. >> by the way, i am filled with admiration about how you're trying to sell a book on this program. that is really, really good. >> wait till next week. >> my book july 1, "circ of friends." how is that? >> correct me if i'm wrong, neil, i can't remember which, but the justice department or congress is investigating.

>> i'm asking you to lok at the --. read the media, read the coverage, read how it's gotten off the ont pages. it got a lot more tird were covered. >> you're speechless. >> of cose it was an attack on coertives. i mean, this is so obvious. there is a public service employees union along with mr. obama going after conservatives. that's so obvious it's a joke, and the media is playing along with it and it's, of course, going to happen. all of these are incredibly obvious. there is a giant elephant in the room. it's political partisanship using the irs as a hatchet. >> we're going to keep reporting it because w find when an

agency uses its full power to go after anybody, it's bad. if they're going to use a couple liberal groups to say all is even stevens, that's all good, but ask yourself the question whether any government agency should be doing that. and i will save this country alone, if i must! mortgage rates seeing their biggest weekly jump i more than two decades. so why is that good news for the value of your home and why is the rest of my panel so worried right now that they have to stick around for another 20 minutes? in the meantime, up next. looking over you shoulder for

available, but they were infected with pneumonia. her pants hold out hope. i'm jamie cole. we'll be back in 30 minutes. here's james caruto. the new health care law is creating a data hub of the number of books that charlie plans to sell. even the size of your family. be stein, this worry you? >> the government knows entirely o much about us already. this goes across the whole breadth and width of the government. they know too much about good people and bad people. they knew about the terrorists before 11. th knew they were having flying lessons and not learning how to land theplane.

that's the problem. the government knowstoo much about people. they don't do anything about the bad, just theood people. >>hey're going to have the same information that the irs already has, that other departments already have. a lot of people now have it. >> a lot of people have it. we heard of money grabs, we heard of land grabs, this is the information grab. the problem is there are no rules attached and this is how things get messed up. this is how ultimately anyone will get their handson this information to use it any way possible, but ey got a tip on e boston tame -- >> you know whaet scary about this is the inside contractors. that's what board me, they're putting this information together -- they're going to share, i imagine. i'm serious, they're going to share it with outside contractors. it's your tax returns, yr

social security information, your e mail,our phone number. i don't want them sharing that with outside contracto. if nothing else, m goingo get solicited all the time for more things to bu >> i never get solicited. how come? >> they're scared to come to your door. >> there was a wonderfulbook written by george rwell about this. this is the big government collecting everything they can on it. . by wait, about its nature, big government is still tot totalitarian. >> charles is right about one thing, the -- >> which charlie? >> charles. charlie hasn't saidnything this program. thesethings are concerning, and

the regulations and the rules have to be handled more carefully. when i see things like -- do you want it there or not? >> yes, want it there. there's never been, in the history of -- >> we have to participate in the insurance question, but your insurer has got to see i neil. >> d't you see where this is going? >> all i'm saying is corporations have this data, too. everybody is collecting. >> keep giving it up, keep giving it up. >> how can we be empowering one central agency >> i'll give you one reason, and that's because federal employees in 2011 owed 3.5 billion in xes. these are pt office employees owing taxes, their wages weren't garnished because the ght hand didn't talk to the left hand. >>ow you're just showing off.

>> you're saying big government is stupid. >> i say we yell at them when the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing and then we yell at tem whenhey put it all in one place. >> but they screw up when they put it in one place. >> in the meantime, heat up and pay up. why cause for a new food tax from the food police already has some stomachs turning. >> love chocolate. but i can't eat it because thent

>> cold cash for salaries. hent an way to fight obesity is calories for cash. so what do you think? >> it is not the dollar menu that lures me in mcdonalds. it is the quarter pounder with cheese. my death row meal would be in and out with a shake and fries. ndr. ne. >> listen tis another way to gorge us of ney and it is for your own good. im with you. redistribution is ridiculous. i bet you california would be first ones up. >> new york. >> if i am dyg, i am going to san pedro. >> not dpolden arches.

>> i want in and out. >> i don'think we shouldib siddize people who wanto kill themselves? >> we shut syntaxes on alcohol. >> and took you a while to linkup with that. >> adam, can you answer? >> mcdonalds is fattening. >> charlie is right. the science is obviously correct but it is politically infeasible. >> we did it. >> ben stien? >> as asinine as this is, there is a precedent for doing it again and again and aga. what d you think of it? >> i think if you go to mcdonald, people are hard working people trying to get a bite to eat before they dot rest of the work. you are punishing the people thatre hard working and not the people at san pedro.

people going to mcdonald don't need to be punished. what do you think of that? >> where doe it end? nonorgrganic vegetables and artificial color. >> not yet. the government is fantastict stopping. >> we are talking about mcdonald which is virtually poison. >> we arenot talking aut mcdonald. >> it is such a hypocrite. >> you are. >> no, no. >> you are a great free rketeer mr. capitalist. >> no, go a head. >> you get tes on alcohol in >> i am against taxes perd. >> you think it is depend for you. mcdonald good for you. >> and going to try to prent is b. >> mcdonald is not bad. >> surely you are not comparing alcohol with mcdonalds? >> they are all bad. >> charlie is going now and i

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herkul us. strictly on call and this company is poised to break out. >> i wish i hadordam and ben. in the meantime the cost of freedom continues. >> tax hikes and a key report showing t economy is growing slowly tan thouought. the bi reason why. tax hikes kicking in. and some at forbes say we need tax cuts to get our economy booming again. i am dave asbin. welcome to forbes on fox. we'll have steve fosh and rick and elizabeth and mike and bill baldwin. >> taxate cuts are always a good idea. reduce the price, risk taking and success and this is the way to get