i love it. >> youonly get that fair kick in the butt right here. >> all goodsports okay, now, how many times have i said it here, right? we're not red or blue, we're just green here. you're money, who is spending it, who is wasting it. imagine my shock when i discovered this week the irs is copying us but in reverse. because while we are practicing what we are preaching, the tax man is preaching but he's not practicing. that's not fair, that's not lanced, that's uts, and i'm not a lawyer, but i also think that's illal. an invitation might be the most serious form of flattery, but

unless they open a bunch of bakeries in my name, big o fair and balance. the never mind doesn't make him any less of a b lly. i've had time to go into how many liberals there are, and let's st say not may. according to an agent watchdog, only a handful were talking about the irs versus about a hundred conservativive ones. only those who had words like occupy or reportedly keystone in thr name, which could lead a non-lawyer, thatould be me, to think there still might have been an agenda to all of this. but enough of ths. to target those who might be unfriendly to the administration. but agai enough of that. i want you to think about this. the media drops an entire irs story. the irs was still on a hunt p

but who those groups were filing those forms. their data didn't get the irs' attention. they did, their views did. so i don't think if the ratio. leaving aside the vy still lopsided now. agency who is supposed to be about spread sheets and now daring t spread this sheet? okay, that's it. a lis a. she will be back next week, so she missed all this grand theater. what do you make of all this? >> don't you guys find it interesting when they think the best option is to claim incompetency. >> careful, i built a ceer out

of it, but go ahead. >> i don't care about the statistical a no, ma'am lee, underscores while they try to -- you ultimately strip away your own rights and that's not how this country was built. >> it's covered to say we went after liberals, too, when you went after that group or other groups, not the numbers they put on paper but who they were putting the numbers on paper. >>hen you take a look at what they actually did, all they did was pull up their names on the list. they didn't actually st them from getting the tax exempt status or slowthem down or lose their file the way they did the other groups. >> nothing approachi the body vity searches. >> somebody has to go to jail here, or this is gog to d to nue.

continue to get very upset about this and not let it go. ifou think. irs isn't negatively going to jail, whatyou think? >> well, my feelings on this, neili think they should apply the law equally. i have a problem with any drups gett getting. >> th did target conserervatives, who think our mainstream conservative groups are right of center s group, then that's bizarre.

>> have you ever been either this is acceptable behavior on the part of the irs or it isn't, and it doesn't matter wt you and i think about the political leengz of these groups. i think that's your point, neil. if it's wrong, it's wrong. and i don't think charles the media -- neil is the media, too, i hate to tell you -- the media is not leaving this story alone and the investigation is going on. >> it did lose a lot of its oomph and it was almost a collective relief. ben stein, they almost seemed collectively relieved, not to the extent you think or the ringing kind of questioning that we grew to knew. and that's aelief to them.

>> there is a giant elephant in the om here which nobody seems to be talking about, which is the conservative groups were talked about wildly business proportionately. who is a great pal of the united states. they hate, hate, hate the conservatives. and the question are asked, and ve much delayed. these people get into their tax exempt status. this was a hearg on -- and asking them. they were enormously burdened from t gestapo questions. >> i'm in trocess of proposing a book on this. when i talk to people about proposing a book, guess what they're saying? they're also targeting liberal

groups, it's not just conservatives. >> it could be they just don't li you. >> that, too. most people don't like me. . >> because. >> i think that's our point, they should be. >> that's not the point i'm making. i'm getting a point i. >> we know that's nonsense. >> who at the irs is going to sue you? >> i d't know. >> we all know when you talk out taking libertys from people, it all hurts th. we should get back to the crux of it. the idea that the tea party was deliberately targeted, they were dat pr -- it really feelsike

that. i want to find out, who meioned going to jail? you mentioned going to jail -- >> and we're no closer to find out which is the start. you have to find out where it started to make sure it doesn't happen again, and under the hatch act, they may go to jail. you can't federal eyes. nothing ever gets drasd back to obama. nghazi dsn't get traced back to obama, thenrs doesn't get traced back to obama. the wall the political people have put around obama is just incredibly burdened and the media doesn't bother with it. >> it has to go further than the fa tha lohse. theris a simple solution to this. let's start reporting.

>> theris a thing that we should be pushing this issue and do. this direct line to the white house, neil, you should be commended. what's going on here? >> i would only point out you and neil are not the only one, and charlie is too busy pushing book proposals -- >> oh, no, you didn't. >> by the way, i am filled with admiration about how you're tryiying to sell a book on this program. that is ally really good. >> wait till next week. >> my book july 1, "circle of friends." how is tha >> correct me if i'm wrong, neil, i can't rememberwhich, but the justice department or congss is investigating.

>> i'm asking you to look at the --. read the media, read the coverage, read how it's gotten off the front pages. it got a lot more tird were covered. >> you're speechless. >> of course it was a attack on conservatives. i mean, this so obvious. there is a public service employees unn along with mr. obama gog after conservatives. that's so obvious it's a jok and the media is playing along with it and it's, of course, going to happen. all of these are incredibly obvious. there is a giant elephant in the room. it's potical partisanship using the irs as a hatchet. >> we're going to keep reporting it because we find when an

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available, but they were infected with pneumonia. her parents holdut . i'm jamie cole. we'll be back in 30 minutes. he's james caruto. the new health care law is creating a data hub of the number of books that charl plans to sell. even the size of your family. ben stein, this worry you? >> the governmen knows entirely too much about us already. this goes across the whole breadth and width of the government they know too much about good people and bad people. they knew about the terrorists before 9/11. they knew they were having flying lessons and not learning how to landhe plane.

that's the problem. the government knows too much about people. they don't do anything abo the bad, jus the good people. >> they're going to have the same information that the irs ready has,hat other departments already have. a lot of people now have it. >> aot of people have it. we heard of money grabs, we heard of land grabs, this is t information grab. the problem is there are no rules attached and this is how things get messed up. this is how ultimately anyone will get their hands on this information to use it any way possible, but they got a tip on the boston tame ---- >> younow whaet scary about this is the inside contractors. that's what board me, they're putting this information together -- they're going to share, i imagine. i'm serious, they're going to sharit with outside contractors. it's your tax returns, your

social security information, your e mail, your phone number. i don't want them sharing that with outsi contractors. if nothing else, i'm going to get solicited allhe time for more things to y. >> i never get solicited. how come? >> they're scared to come to your door. >> there was a wonderful book written by george orwell about th. this is the big government collecting everything they can on it. . by wait, aboutits nature, big government is still t totalitarian. >> charles is right about one thing, the -- >>hich charlie? >> charles. charlihasn't said anything this program. ese things areconcerning, and

the regulations and the rules have to be handled more carefully. when i see things like -- do you want it there or not? >> yes, i want it there. there's never been, in the history of -- >> we have to participate in the insurance question, but you insurer has got to see it, neil. >> don't you see where this is going? >> all i'm saying is corporatns have this data, too. everybody is collecting. >> keep giving it up keep givi it up. >> how can we be empowering one central agency? >> i'll give you one reason, and that's because federal employees in 2011 owed 3.5 billion in taxe thes are post office employees owing taxes, their wages weren't garnished because theright hand didn't talk to the left hand. >>ow you're just showing off.

>> you're saying big government is stupid. >> i say we yell at them when the right hand doest know what the left hand is doing and then we yell at them wn they put it all in one place. >> but they screw up when they put it in one place. >> in the meantime, heat up and pay up. why cause for a new food tax from the food police already has some stomachs turning. >> i love chocolate. ♪ ♪ ♪

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>> cold cas for salari. an effective way to fight obesity is calories for cash. so what do you think? >> it is not the dollar menu that lures me in mcdonalds. it is the quarter pounder with cheese. my death row meal w would be in and out with a shake and fries. ndr. pa ne. >> listen tisnother way to gorge us of money and it is for your own good. i am with you. redistribution is ridiculous i bet you california would be first ones up. >> new york. >> if i am dying, i am going to san ped. >> not dpolden arches.

>> i want in and out. >> i don't think we should sib siddize people who want to kill themselves? e shut syntaxes on alcohol. >> and took you a while to nkup with that. >> adam, can you answer? >> mcdonalds is fattening. >> charlie is right. the science is obviously coect but it is politically infeasible. >> we did it. >> ben stien? >> as asinine as this is, there is a precedent for doing it again a again and again. what do you thi of it? >> i think if you go to mcdonald, people are hard working people trying to get a bite to eat before they dot rest of the work. you are punishing the people that are hard working and not the people at san pedro.

people going to mcdold don't need to be punished. wh do you think of that? >> where does it end? nonorganic vegetables and artificial color. >> not yet. the government is fantastic at stopping. >> we are talking about mcdonal which is virtually poison. >> we are not talking about mcdonald. >> it is such a hypocrite. >> you are. >> no, no. >> you are a great free marketeer mr. capitalist. >> no, go a head. >> you get taxes on alcohol in >> i am against taxes period. >> you thk it is depend for you. mcdonald good for you. >> and going to try to prevent is bad. >> mcdona is not bad. >> surely you are not comparing alcohol with mcdonalds? >> they are all bad. >> charlie is going now and i don't want him back and melissa

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rkul us. strictly on call and this company is poised to break out. >> i wish i hador adam and ben. in the meantime the cost of freedom continues. >> tax hikes and a key report showing the economy is growing slowly than thought. the big reason why. tax hikes kicking in. and some at forbes say we need tax cuts to get our economy booming again. i am dave asbin. welcome to forbes on fox. we'll have steve fosh and rick and elizabeth and mike andbill baldwin. >> tax rate cuts are always a good idea. reduce the price, risk taking and success and this is the way to get