every weekday from 3:00 to 6:00 eastern time. we'll have another great tv show for you next wk. in the meantime, i hope to hear you on the radio. good evening, everybody. thanyou for being with us. the fate of the immigration reform bill king its way through congress may be in the hands now of some of the most coervative members of the republic party. use speaker john boehner says he will not move on the senate's gang eight bill until it has the support of the majority of the republicans in the house. and it's unclear whether they will support it. the republican party's share of the hispanic vote has actually decled. it fell after president agan signed the original anesty legislation into law in 1986.

tonight we'll be asking republicans national committee chairman reince priebus about what benefit the republican party would gain fm the administration and also hear the chairman of the veterans affair committee, congressman jeff miller on e benefits back log at the v.a. that he calls a national crisis. and the obama white house ungulfed in scandal. we've been asking our viewers to joing us to assess a number of issues that are pretty important to the republican party and the future, issues like immigration, national security, we're joined by the chaian of the republican national committee, reince priebus. >> thanks for having me here. it's a beautiful place. >> well, thank you, we spif it up just for special guests.

>> nice elephant behind me. >> we do that for, as i say, important guests. let's startith what's going on with some of your spokesmen. you have senar john mccain, lindy graham, kelly ayotte. they're beating drums loudly for milita intervention in syria. 70% of the american people say don't even think about it, mr. president. arthey representing the republican party here? what is the deal? >>national security is obviouy something that i got to tell you and i've said it before, it no a place as dive into a lot but the common thread is that the president isn't leading. his yes isn't yes and his no isn't no. he's not decisive on these issues. i got to tell you, when he gets pushed into military intervention or at least weapons

or support by a comment made by bill clinton- bill clinton said he would be a wuss if he didn't. >> in the next few days the president came out and said no we're going to dabb into syria. dabbling into anything is problematic. >> one would think thathe republican partynd conservatives wou stand up for conservative values. >> we're party freedom. we've always been a party of aa strong national defen. we've always believed in what reagan said that peace through strength should be a hallma of this country. so, yeah, we -- >> but isn't the operative word there reince defense, n attack listeut establishing freedom around the world is something that's acornerstone of this country. >> wait a minute. whoa! are you saying to me that we have just taken on the responsibility of bringing freedom -- >> no, of course not. we don't have the responsibility to carpet the world. i do think, though, as president

of the united states that you have to exhibit strength d sometimes strength is yes and sometimes strength is n but i also think that dabbling and playing both sides of the fence and suddenly coming out in favor of some support after a former president criticizes you kind of just shows you exactly where this president's at. >> i don't know if you watch charlie rose or not but last time he reversed his reversal. he's back to wuss. >> and he's evolved on everything. he's involving now on nsa. now he's trying to bring bush into the issue. >> let's talk about another evolution and at's marco rubio. my gosh! >> you're on fire tonight. >> i'm sorry? >> i said you're on fire tonight. >> not me, i sit here and the world washes over me. here's marco rubio talking about how great the bill is and personally saying the border

patrol is t light and it won't work this way and won't pass. >> i think he is being consistent. >> i can't w to hearhis construction. >> ie listened to you for years. the fact of the matter is if you don't get theorder security pie straight -- it not a talking point, it's the uth. if we have comprehensi immigration reform a we've got ten points we agree , if you ha no ability to secure the border, what's going to happen? in a few years if you have no secure border, we're going to be negotiating over instead of a five-year-old penalty, make it four. in the end, you've got no secure border. you've got nothing the end. >>f ever anyonn w preaching to the cir, it is you at this very ment. and let me bring to your attention that the amendment that would have provided for defense and security on the border was defeated and voted ainst by the gang of eight, the grassley amendment which

would have provided r significant security, the real deal, was defeated and with the votes of all of the members of the gang of eight. at what point doesnybody in either the republican or democratic party, if i may say, pay attention to history here? in 2006 and 2007 there could have been a bill th was passed into law but thos senators -- primarily senators -- and president trying to gain the issue were watching the same thing unfolding here. the folks watching you and me tonight, they're going to vote and they're going to vote i think in significant numbers and they're kind of tired of being games. >> i tnk everybody is tired of being gamed.

>> i got it but what's the point? >> the point is that -- my point is that unless you have and the reason we're focusing on this border security piece -- >> you're focused on it? are you kidding m marc rub ted against it. ndsay graham voted aainst it. >> on one piece, lou. >> two pieces. these are the same gu say without border securityt doesn't work. don't you find that intellectuly at let pnconsistent? it may be good policy but it's lousy logic. >> there might be multiple answers -- >> we only have time for one. >> i think you're going to get a bill out of the senate and i think that these people also

made calculations as what it would take to pass a bill out of the senate and deal with the house and de with the issues in a republican-controlled house. is a simple deal. i don't know why they want to make itcomplicated. we'll figure thatystery out later. go ahead. >> no, i'm sorry. >> and i'm sorry to you. we'll figure out what was meant to say there another me. lindsa graham saying the gop is in a death spiral if you don't buy intohe gang of eight deal. meanwhile over the house, goodlatte is pushing through four discrete bills that make all the sense in the wod. why in the world would the republican party buy into the gang of eight proposition, which is so light on security and, by the way, so undefined in terms of itseach that it's going to be at best a tough set? >> it' not going to be a tou sell because i thk thatthe

bill is going to get to the house. >> how about th death spirl? >> no i tnk that we're a long way from ts bil bill being complete. >> how about if the bills don't appear and lindsayraham suggested, it fails, the prospect, the hypothetical the p isn a death spiral? >> i don't think that's true. >> you're in a death spiral if it does pass? >> of course not. we're not in a death spiral either way. you have successful republicans on both sides of this issue that are making the case to all american whether you're hispanic, african-american, white, everyone in between. >>ow many town hall meetings have been held on immigration reform? >> by whom? >> republicans or democrats. >> i don't keep a tally on how many on just immigration reform. >> i know it's not a big issue with you guys but i pay attention to it. they haven't had any. that's a shame.

people should be able to come into a republican sponsored ton hall meeting and express themselves. >> i've h one and -- >> friday? >> i think it's friday afternoon in santa ana. so i've done them. >> good. i hope you keep doing them. last time folks got kind of squeezed out of the deal. maybe it will be different this time. reince priebus, thank you. >> it's being called a threat to the world. a super bug with no known cure and kills at an alarming rate.

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turning to a deadly ne threat that has world hlth official on alert. thworld organization confirmed five more cases of middle east reprents syndrome, the coronavirus, the sars-like virus is a threat to the entire world. 27 of the 49 confirmed cases haveesulted in death. joining us to give us p perspective on this deadly virus, fox news contributor dr. mark siegel. i've never heard of a virus that has better than a 50% death rate. you know, this is stunning stf. what is happeng here? >> well, lou, let mealk you througthis.

>>hat's y you're here. >> it's certainly something we need to take seriously. any time a new virus emerges and we don't know what the scope it have is going to be. the initial virus looks like it has aighh death rate among the cases. here's the problem -- first of all, dr. maaret chan isot very shy when she says threat to the entire world. she said it with bird flu, could kill up to 90 million. she said it with swine flu. >> she's an alarmist. >> she did it witithsars. sars in 2003, lou, infected about 7,000 people and killed about 700. when it first emerged, sars was about a 50% death rate and everyone panicked, it's going to kill the entire world. the city of toronto was corded off literally andsia spent $30 billion keeping people from traveling and sequestering

people. and you know what? that's the real story about sars. it's the fear, it's the panic. so now i see on tv everybody sang this could be another sars. and i'm thinking, well, but sars want as bad as people said. why am i talking abt sars? it's the same kind of virus as coronavirus. guess whattes is a -- guess what else is the same kind of virus? the cold. >> i think, my god, how many illnesses have those at symptoms? it's going to bewfullyard to identify. i think to mselfait a minute, wait a minute, the world health organization is telling us that there are 49 cases. now this is pretty good because we're a pnet of over 7 billion people andhey've come down with 49 folks,hey know how many of them have died. this doesn't sound right to me. what's going on? >> exactly right what you just

said. what's going on is it's too early to say anything like what she's sang because we don't even know what something called the attack rate is. in other words for every pers who gets one of these things, how many other people get it? until we se it spreading like that, we can't assume it will. most of these new viruses don't stay as deadly as they spread. they peter out. >> well, that's some solace. >> it should be. every year there's one of these and the real virus is fear. i'm not dismissing this virus. it needs to be well studied and we have the scientists to study it. we need the message of information, we're looking into it, studying, figuring out the dna and publishing it on the web. but it is not clear this is going to end u up being a world wide scoue. the chances a wa against it becoming a major problem. kbl when i think of the idea of

panic, globally or otherwise, what could kwone do if you did panic? science has now identified medical science, has identified this virus. and what i'm curious abouts now the reporting that's suggesting that this is at an abnormally high rat mutating to the point that it is absolutely resistant to anti-virals. kind of put that in context for usif you would. >> first of all, everyone loves the word mutating because it's a fear word, another fear word. all viruses are mutating all the time. >> we can call it change. >> you described th accutely, lou. most of them mutate or change in ways that make them less harmful, not more harmful. i don't assu becau all of these viruses are changing all the time they're going to beco more harmful. in terms of eatments, anti-viruses don't work against

these viruses. wedid, we'd have a treatment for the common cold. most ofhe time they don't spread like whe fair and become a threat. it's worth watching ts virus and studying it. i don't see a vaccine coming against it becau we don't have a vaccine against the common cold. >> that's a wonderful point. all of your points are wonderful and terrific as always. dr. mark siegel, we know what your motivatn is and that's truth anand reality and sharings best can you your knowledge of medical science. wouldn't it be nice to be that smart? i'd likeo be that smart. >> you're pretty smart, l. >> dr. mark siegel, thanks for being here. >> edward snowden, the nsa leaker, hero or traitor? a lot of people are making up their minds early and it depends on whom you the boys used double miles from their capital one venture card to fly home for the big family union. you must be garth's father? ello.

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♪ you know, we really don't know very much at all about 29-year-old edward snowden, the leaker of the national security agency's prgrams. but we've heard him described as

a hero, aatraitor, a whistleblower, a publish servant, a fugitive and even some call him a bad oyfriend. normally you can tell where someone stands by the "r" or "d" followintheir name in washington, d.c. but that certainly hasn't been thease with snowden. we want to go through it quickly here. let's lead off by the speaker of e house. john boehner. boehner came out today saying flat out snowden is a traitor for showing our enemies what our capabilities are in surveillance. boehner is a republican but senator dianne feinstein, i mean, she has -- well, she shares his view. she's the chair of the senate intelligence committee and says snowden committed an act of treaty. and the sa goes for republican congressman mepeter king who sa snowden is a danger to the nation. and president obama, here he is,

2013, president obama hasn't weighed in on snowden but his justice is. it's preparing criminal charges against snowden. and friday the president defended the nsa surveillance program saying they me a difference in preventing terrorist attacks on this country and america. now the case for labelling snowden and his actio heroic, if you can imagine that has happened. and none other than glen beck and michael moore. these men couldn't be more opposite in their political views typically, but beck tweeted out that snowden has the, ass he put it, the ear mars of r hero. and moore cclled him the hero of the year. i have to sit here and just kind of look. we want to sayhanks as always for leaving me chalkboard.

>> senators mike lee and al franken, theve come together to say, well, that they're kind of bhind this thing. lee, a tea party favorite, franken a prinent lefty. they haven't attached a label to snown but they are backing legislation that would require our government to be morere transparent in its surveillance. now think about this. they want to force the justice department to declassify court opinions in this instance, court opinions operating under the foign intellence surveillance act or fisa, the foreign intellince surveillance cou, that measure probably won't work but it was worth drafting juut toee this odd pairing of senators lee and franken. don't you think? president obama. well, here he is. looky there. look there the difference between senator obama and 2007 and president obama in 2013.

you think this job doesn't carry with it a little weight and burden? well, then senate candidate barack obamaccused the bush administration back then of putting rward a, quote, false choice between national security and our civil will libeies and was very fired up about it but i think it's a pretty safe bet that president obama now wld not make the same argument because he is caught, is a we all, between a real choice between national security and civil liberties. and snowden? well, snowden right now is still very much a question mark. >> it is simply a disgrace. our veterans forced to wait month, en yrs for their befiis. congressman jeff miller joins us tonight with his solution. tonigw

our nextuest has referred to the benefits back log the veterans affairs administration as a national crisis. the back log has grown to affect 600,000 of our veterans, an increaseof 2,000% just in the past four years. joining us one of the peopl trying to fix it, congressman jeff ller, chairman of the vetens affair committee and a member of thermed services committee and select committee on intelligence. congressman, good to have yo with you. let me just start with the numbers i cannot even believe. 273 days the average wait for a combat veteran for -- before any benefits? that's just -- that's appalling! >> that's the average. you mightimagine this. we've t somee individuals that are waiting 500 days and more. there are actually claims that are in the queue now that are years and years old.

and we've got to figure out what the problem is and want to help the department of veterans affairs. i don't want to do it from an adversarial position, butut t numbers keep rising, veterans keep waiting and they keep dying before they get their benefits. >> it's simply outrageous. anthank you for trying to do everything you can. i know cogressman chris collins of new yo,they want the head of the department fired. >> well, he's an honorable gentleman. i don't want to go that far yet. let me just say this, the ice is getting very, very thin. i've already called for the undersecretary of benefits to resi. the secretary said that he is not going to make that happen. so we're going to trynd work within the construct that we have to make sure that they have every dollar, every person and every technology available. it's not a matter of not getting what they've asked for because for the last decade the

department of veteran affairs has gotten everything that think asked for. i think we've got a management problem and surely a systemic issue. >> and we're looking at these paper files and boxes -- >> every regional office across the country you'll see stacks and stacks of those paper files. veryittle it have is digitized. when you separate from the dertmentf defense and become a veteran, they give you a paper file that goes with h you. you need a truly electronic record that follows you from the time you go into the service and become a veteran. >> i'm been told the former secretary of the a. has suggested and i haven't talked to jim about this, i saw him a little over two months ago, but he's come up withn idea just give our guys an advance. let them figure it out later. ge the moy them. >> that's areat idea. i have great respect for

secrary nicholson. the problem with hat is v.a. is terrible about going back and clawing backif you will, and collecting on insurance payments that are being made now where they have billions of dollars that are still outstanding out there. what i'd like to see is maybe a partial payment, an advance of some te. thinkk think that may be one of the only ways that we can get over the hill. the problem with all of this is with the focus that's being given to the disability back log right now, the overtime that's being done, if they don't fix the system that they've got, it doesn't matter how many people they put in to help make this back log go down. >> and we've left out the man who is responsible, and that is, after all, the president o the united states, president obama.

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lou: turning now to our wounded warriors, an amazing program at provides reconstructive surgery to severely injured seice members, inspired in part by a conversation between a marine corporal and i talking on the air some seven years ago. it's called operation mend. the program has treated more than 80 of our wounded warriors since 2007. joining us is aaron mankin, wounded in 2005, the first operation mend paient. it's good to see you, aaron.

good to have you on the broadcast. >> good evening. thank you for hving me on the show. >> and a member of the ucla member of the board. good to have youith us, ronald. when we heard you'd gotten the idea for this watching aaron and me talking, i just sat there, sort of scratched my head and thought he was such a gre spokesman for the army medical center in san antonio for all of our wounded veterans, i couldn't be more delighted that y found him so inspiring. >> well, i really did. he was exceptional and seeing him on your progm. >> what is the program operation mend, aaron, meant to you? you have traveled so far. i said you were wounded in an

attack. wean -- as i sit here looking at you across the way, you know, you look amazing. you're back to that rugged marine look that you represented throughout yr life. it's been a hell of a journey, though, hasn' it? >> you know, half of what we learn in lifeeis through the journey. it's from getting from here to there. and that was just one day in my life being wounded in iraq, severely wounded i was. and having endured nearly 60 surgeries in my recovery a having a program like operation men be there for me as a resource, having served my country and come home and have my country want to serve me in such unique way, to provide such specialized care as to really give me back a sense of myhumanity, to givee my normal back, back to who i was.

it's invaluable. i can't thank ron, i can't thank ucla medical systems or brook army medical nter, everyone who has touched my life along the way. i can't thank them enough, including you, sir. >> wwll, i did nothing. i had the honor of reporting your story andgetting to know you, and it's a treasured honor, i assure you. ronald, let me ask you this. you've bn receiving money, various funding, government fundg in part. the work, i got to believe that people when they heard me say 80 patients they thought, well, that isn't very many people. but until they meet the people thatd the help, that's huge number. tells what we can to help you. >> well, as you recognize, we deal with very severely injured patients, and it's not a single surgery that takes pla but

basically in aaron's case it's a large number of surgeries. and you have to really pay attention to these folks. the services that we prode are completely free. everyone that participate gets to come to ucla, and we bring their family, too, because we think the fmily component is critical. to be able to care for people like aaroand their families pnd give them this experience along with all of the people in los angeles that have kind of gravated to these young men and women, it's a very exciting community experience really. >> well, we want to pu up on the screen where our viewers can lp out if they are so -- if they so want and i hope that you do, operation mend.ucla.edu. also, we have links on our web sites.

we hope that you will contribute generously to this wonderful program. aaron, ronald, it's great to see you. i'm delighted that you're doing so well. i know those kids of yours, your daughters mean the world to you. i wish you all the very best and look forward to seeing you soon >> thank you. >> aaron, thank you very much. ronald, thank you for all you've done. we will help you continue your good work. >> up next, the brand new book "the fate of the states" makes the cse the country has

♪ lou: our next guest created a namefo hiself by making the toughest cal our next created quit a

name for herself by mang some of the tohest calls on wall street. r latest prediction describes how economic power is shifting from long time coastal strong holds like new jersey and califoia toward more iscally attractive states. joining me is the autho meredith whitney. >> it's such an honor to be here. >> and congratulations on your new book, which i want to recommend highly. >> thank youo much. >> it's out, it's online, it's in book stores and we've got a connection to it on lou dobbs as well. the idea that we are seei a nation where along our east and west coast were becoming so heavily regulated, such massive taxes that it's actually goin to become a disincentive for

folks and spell prosperity for a long time for the middle of the country. how soon? >> well, i'll tell you that the businesses are moving now, the businesses have been in the process of moving and it will take a little bit longer but the people are starting toofollow. all people want in this country and ptty much everywhere is an opportunitto build a better life. they want a job. soou talk in your show why is there not jobcreation? >> there is job creation. a half a million jobs have been created in the central coidor since the credit crisis. the old school economic theory of, oh, the coasts are going to lead the economy forward just isn't working anymore >> it's not working. taxes are rising astronomically. we're looking at demographic shifts as well that are going to be very, very important. you predict the smart money, the business, the wealthy folks will be relocating. you know, i think some interior states lik illinois, i mean, that's got to get some folks --

people are having difficulty getting this evenings done. what happenssnot only do your taxes go up but when the states are really in bad shape, money for other things, really important things look education, roads, public safety, that goes away. so people are paying more and getting less for their money and then there's no money to retrain people. so unemployment stays structurally high. >> unemploymentas become chronic. it is without question now structural without policy response, without leadership response -- >> without polic response. it's really amazing, right? it's all talk, no action. >> and we're a nation where

we're dependt upon growth, yet there's no discussion of when does prosperity return to the marks? but when do wetart to see the return to prospeeity? here's the really cool thing. you're already seeing it in these states. 2008 to 2011, and this is the last data available, states like texas grew over 8%,ompared to 6 prs national average and states like north dakota grew 26%. states like california grew 3% during that time and states like florida, arizona, nevada grew even less than that. so it's really happening he. thstates thatre not doing the right things, californ, new jersey, illinois, if they don't wake up and pay attention, they're oing to be way behind the game. it's really dangerous. it's sad that the states that need the change the most are the

most resistant to the change. >> are banks back? >> i thi banks are just going to -- are also in structural transition. >> ooh, i like that. structural transition. meredith whitney, we thank you very much. and we recommend her book, which is entitled state of the states is entitled state of the states on lon -- there is a pursuit we all share. a better liffor your family, a better opportunity for your business, a better legacy to leave the world. we have always believed in this pursuit, striving to bring insight tovery investment, and integrity to every pn.

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at theime of chris kyle's tragiccdeath in febrry of this year, he was finishing up a book that defined his passion with guns, "american striper" a

runaway best seller. "american gun" tells the story ho ten unique americann firearms shaped the history of this couny, revealg how creativity and industrial genius pushed our history and power. here on behalf of chris kyle and co-author of "erican gun" is william doyle. good to have you with us. >> it's great to be here, lou, on pee half of chr-- behalf ch. >> we're going to have elling books. it's fascinating, this idea of ten guns that are remarkable. you talk about the long rfles the spencer repeater, the colt 45, the peacemaker, the stf that we gr up up on as kids, the bin chester rifle, any of

these level the relationship between guns and america if you >> chris kyle thought tho there was an amazing story to be told about guns in history. this is not abt politics but about great american history. chris thought it was important for to us know that, for example, abraham lincoln was a gun buff and a technology ek. abraham lincoln had a shooting range of his own behind the white house, and he would go back there and fire off rounds at targets to test new gun technologies. in fact, one day he was crouched down shooting and the police came by because there was a rule againsthat in washington at the time and they arted hollering and cursing athim and they ran over to grab the gun from him a abe lincoln, the witness described, uncoiled himself higher and higher and higher and presented himself and

then the police realized, my god, that's old abe himself and they ran away. and lincoln said, well, ey might have stuck and to e the shooting. teddy roosevelt helped create the 1903 rifle thatur troops are stlsing a version of around the world today. and john kennedy was intimately involved in designing the m-16 which we use today. pits a fascinating connection, isn't it? >> absolutely. it's such a magnificent part of our history. >> the m-1 saved the world because my father and s many members of the greatest generation had that gun by their side in combat zones in world war ii. that gun was bett than the japanese version, had no shots.

>> now that counts foristory and for saving american lives. at's the interesting ent play between technology and moving our history backward. puttinfood on the table, expand being the country. we know about the crimes quite well. i think what we've forgotten is theconnection that guns have to our military history and to our freedom in many ways. >> absolutely. we talk about guns that won the west. we're talking about the peacemaker, we're talking about the spnser, we're talking about the win chesser repaeding arm. say it is a terrific idea, brilliantly executed. your hands and independent sure that chris kyle wld be thrilled with the result. >> good to have you with us.

>>. >> tloudobbs.com for links as well been your overwhelming response to our quest to find the perfect nickname for this scandaridden president goes on. it's gotten so bad for this president that he is exceeding tricky dick and slick willie in their scandals. we've had so fun ones. these names are terrific. we're going to start out with barackula, the lnghawaiian. and one of my favorites is snowbama and obamaczar.

boonedoingle obama. as i say it, it just doesn't work. blundering bo and barkocrock. how about this one, obama-bin-lyin. think that one's pretty good. i think we should continue this effort. you can write in and tell us

whether wee should continue this effort. what was one that was soad that i refused to write it down. that's it ffr us tonight. ♪ >> children. >> you sav john: in 198 has come to america. >> this big brother has done a lot greedier than george orwell thought it would never get. >> when you all grandma in braska the nsa knows. john: the president says you have nothing to worry about. > nobody is listening to your telephone calls. john: government officials do like. >> does the nsa collect any type of data at all? >> no. john: my fellow lertarians are mad at me. they say, i am not angry enough. >> you know, i don't think this is john stossel. i thinit is an impostor. john: i'm angrier than she is >> i don't mind. it's not like it will be on tmz.