goodevening, everybody. thank you for being with us. the fate of the immigration reform bill making its way through ngress may be in the hands now of some of the most conservative members of the republican party. house speaker john boehner sa he will not move on the senate's gang of eight bill until it has the support of the majority of the republicans in the house. and it's unclear whether they will pport it. the republican party's share of the hispanic vote has actually declined. it fell after presiden reagan signed the original amnesty legislation into law in 1986. tonight we' be asking

republicans national committee chairman reince priebus about what benefit the republican party would gain from the adminiration and also hea the chairman of the veterans affair committee, congressman jeff miller on the benefits back log at the v.a. that he calls a national crisis. and the obama white house ungulfed in scandal. we've been asking our viewers to joining us to assess a number of issues that areretty important to the republic party and the future, issues like immigration, national security, we're joined by the chairman of the republican national committee, reince priebus. >> thanks for having me here it's a beautiful place. >> well, thank you, we spif it up just for special guests.

>> nice elephant behind me. >> we do that for, as i say, important guests. let's start with what's going on with some of your spokesmen. you havesenator john mccain, lindsay graham, kelly ayotte. they're beating drums loudly for military intervention in syria. 70% of the americ people say don't even think about it, mr. president. are they representing the republican party here? what is the deal? >> national security is obviouslsomething that i got to tell you and i've said it before, it no a place as chairman of the party that we dive int a lot but the common thread is that the president isn't leading. his yes isn yes and his no isn't no. he's not decisive on these issues. i got to tell you, when he gets pushed into military tervention or at least weapons

or support by a comment made by bill clinton -- >> bill clton said he would be a wuss if he didn't. >> in the ne few days the president came out and said now 're going to dabble into syria. dabbling into anything is problematic. >> one would think that the republican pty and conservatives would stand up for conservative values. >> we're party of freedom. we've always been a party of aa strong national defense. we've always believed in what reagan said that peace through strength should be a hallrk of this countr so, yeah, we -- >> but isn't the operive word there reince defense, n attack? >> listen, but establishing freedom around the world is something that's a cornerstone of this country. >> wait a minute. whoa! are you saying to me that we have jus taken on the responsibility of bringing freedom -- >> no, of course not. we don't have the responsibility to carpet the world. i do think, though, as president

of the united states that you have to exhibit strength an sometimes strength is yes and sometimes strength is no but i also think that dabbling and playing both sides of the fence and suddenlyoming out in far of some support after a former president criticizes you kind of just shows you exactly where this president's at. >> i don't know if you wch charlie rose or not but last me he reversed his reversal. he's bacto wuss. >> and he's evolved on everything. he involving now on nsa. now he's trying to bring bush into the issue. >> let's talk about another evolution and that's marco rubio. my gosh! >> you're on fire tonight. >> i'm sorry? >> i said you're on fire tonight. >> n me, i sit here and the world washes over me. here's marco rubio talkg about how grea the bill is and personally saying the border

patrol is too light and it won't work this way and won't pass. >> i think he is being consistent >> i can't wait to hear this construction. >> i've listened to you for years. the fact of the matter is if you don't get the border security pie straight -- it not a talking point,t's the truth. if we have comprehensive immigration reform and we've got ten points we agree on, if you have no ability to secure the borderwhat's going to happen? in a few years if you have no secure border, we're going to be negotiating over insad of a five-year-old penalty, make it four. in the end, you've got no secure border. you've got nothing the end. >> if ever anyonn was preaching to the choir, it is you at this very moment. and let me bring to your attentiothat the amendment that would have provided for defense and security on thehe border was deated and voted against by the gang oeight, the grassley amendment which

wod ha provided for significant security, the real deal, was defeated and with the votes of all of the members of the gang of eight. at what point does anybody in either the republican or democratic par, if i may say, pay attention tohistory here? 2006 and 2007 there could have been a bill that was passed into l but those senators -- primarily senators -- and the president trying to gain the issue were watching the same thing unfolding here. the folks watching you and me tonight, they're going to vote and they're going to vote i think in snificant numbers and they're kind of tired of being games. >> i think everybod is tired of being gamed.

>> i got it but what's the point? >> the point is that -- my point is that unless you have and t reason we' focusing on this border security piece -- >> you're focused on it? are you kidding me? marco rubio voted against it. lindsay graham voted against it. >> on onene piece, lou. >> two pieces. these are the same guys say withoutorder security it doesn't work. don't you find that intellectually at least pnconsistent? it may be good policy but it's lousy logic. > thereight be multiple answers -- >> we only have timeor one. >> i think you're going to get a bill out of the senate and i think that the people also

made calculations as to what it would take to pass a bill out of e senate and deal with the house and deal with the issues in a republican-controlled house. >> it's a simple deal. i don't know w they want to make it complicated. we'll l figure that mystery out later. go ahead. >> no, i'm sorry. >> and i'm sorry to you. we'll figure out what was meant to say therere another time. lindsay graham saying the gop is in a death spiral if you don't buy into the gang of eight deal. meanwhile over in thehe house, goodlatte is pushi through four discrete bills that make i. why in the world wouldhe republican party buy into the gang of eight proposition, which is so light on security and, by the way, so undefinedin terms of its reach that it's going to be at best a tough set? >> it's not going to be a tough sell because i think that the

bill is going to get to the house. >> how about the death spiral? >> . i think that we're a long way from this bil bill being mplete. >> how about if the bills don't appear and lindsa graham suggested, it fails, the prospect, the hypothetical the gop is in a death spiral? >> i don't ink that's true. >> youe in a death spil if it does pass? >> ofourse not. we're not in a death spir either way. you have successful republicans on both sides of this issue that are making the case to all americans, whether you're hispanic, african-american, white, everyone in between. >> how many town hall meetings have been held on immigration reform? >> by whom? >> republicans or democrats. >> i don't keep a tally on how many on just immigration reform. i know it's not a big issue with you guys but i pay attention to it. they haven't had any. that's a shame.

people should be able to come into a republican sponsored ton hall meeting and express themselves. >> i've had one and -- >> friday? >> i think it's friday afternoon in santa ana. so i've done them. >> good. i hope you keep doingthem. last time folks got kind of squeezed out of the deal. maybe it will be different this time. reince priebus, thank you. >> it's being called a threat to the world. a super bug with no known cure and kills atn alarming re.

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turning to aeadly new threat that has world health official on aler the world organization confirmed five more cases of mide east represents syndrome, the coronavirus,he sars-like virus is ahreat to the entire world. 27 of the 49 confirmed cases have resulted in death. joining us to give us p perspective on this deadly virus, fox news contributor dr. mark siegel. i' never heard of a virus that has better than a 50% death rate. you know, this is stunning stuff. what is happening here? >> well, lou, let me walk you through this. >> thas why you're here.

>> it's certainly something we need to take seriously. any time a new virus erges and we don't know what the scope it have is going to be. the initial virus looks like it has a high death rate among the cases. here's the problem -- first of all, dr. margaret chan is not very shy when she says threat to the entire world. she said it with bird flu, could kill up to 90 million. she said it with swine flu. >> she's alarmist. >> she did it with sars. sars in 2003, lou, infected about 7,00 people and killed about 700. when it first emerged, sars was about a 50% death rate and everyone nicked, it's gog to ki the entire world. the city of toront was cordoned off literally and asia spent $30 billion keeping people from travelinand sequestering people.

and you know what? that's the real story about sars. it's the fe, it's the panic. so now i see on tv everybody saying this could be another sars. and i'm thinking, well, but sars want as bad as people said. why am i talking about sars? it's the same kind of vrus as a coronavirus. guess whattes is a -- guess what else is the same kind of virus? the cold. >> i thi, mygod, how many illnesses have those at symptoms? it's going to be awfully hard to identify. i think to myself wait a minute, wait a minute, the world health organization is telling us that there are 49 cases. now this is pretty god because we're a planet of over 7 billion people and they've come down with 49 folks, they know how many of them have died. th doesn't sound right to me. what's going on? >> exactly right what you just

said. what's going on is it's too early to say anything like what she's saying bee we don't even know what something called the attack rate is. in other words, for every person who gets one of these things, how manyther people get t? until we see it spreading like that, we can't assumet will. most of these new viruses don't stay as deadly as they spread. they peter out. >> well, that's some solace. >> it should be. every ar there's one of these and the real virus isfear. i'm not dismissing this virus. it needs to be welltudied and we have the scientists to study it. we need the message of information, we're looking into it, studying, figuring out the dna and publishing it on the web. but it is not clear this is going to end up being a world wide scourge. the chances are way against it becoming a major proble kbl when i think ofthe idea of

panic, globally or otherwise, what could kwone do if you did panic? science h now identified medical science, has identified this virus. and what i'm cious about is now the reporting that's suggesting that is is at an abnormally high rate mutating to the point that it is absolutely resistant to anti-virals. kind of put that in context for us, if you would. >> first of all, everyone loves the word mutating because it's a fear word, another fear word. all viruses are mutating all the ti. >> we can call it change. >> you described that accurately, lou. most of them mutater change in ways that make them less harmful, not more harmful. i don't assume because all of these viruses are channg all the time they're going to bome more harmful. in terms of treatments, anti-viruses don't work against

these viruses. if we did, we'd have a treatment for the common cold. most of the time they don't spread like while fair and become a threat. it's worth watchg thi virus and studying it. i don't see a vaccine coming against it because we don't have vaccine againsthe common cold. >> thas a wonderfu point. all ofour points are wonderful and terrific as always. dr. mark siegel, we know what your motation is and that's truth and reality and sharings best can you your knowledge of medical science. wouldn't it be nice to be that smart? i'like to be that smar >> you're pretty smart, lou. >> dr. mark siegel, than for being here. >> edward snowden, the nsa leaker, hero or traitor a lo people are making up their minds early and it depends on whom yo the boys used double miles from their capital one venture card to fly home for the big family reunion. you must be garth's father? hello.

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♪ you know, we really don't know very much at all about 29-year-old edward snowden, the leaker of the national security agency's programs. but we've heard him described as

a hero, aatraitor, a whistleblower, a publish servant, a fugitive and even some call him a bad boyfriend. normally you can tell where someone stands by the "r" or "d" following their name in washington, d.c. but that certainly hasn't been the case with snowden. we want to go through it quickly here. let's lead offy the speaker of the house. john boehner. boboehner came out today saying flat out snowden is a traitor for showing our emies what our capabilities are in surveillance. boehner is a republican but senator dianne feinstein, i mean, she has -- well, she shares his view. she's the chair of t senate intelligence committee and says snowden committed an act of treaty. and the same goes for rublican congressman mepeter king who sa snowden is a danger to the nation. and president obama, he he is,

2013, president obama hasn't weighed in on snowden but his justice is. it's preparing criminal charges against snowden. and friday the president defended the nsa surveillance program saying they make a difference in preventing terrorist attacks on this country and america. now the case for labelling snowden and his actions heroic, if you can imagine that has happened. and none other than glen beck and michael moore. these men couldn't be more opposite in their political views pically, but beck tweeted out that snowden has the, as he put it, the r marks of a real hero. anmoore cclled him the hero o the year. v i have to sit here and just kind of look. we want to say thanksasays for leaving me my chalkboard.

>> nars mike lee and al franken,hey've come together to say, well, that they're kind of behind this thing. lee, a tea party favorite, franken a prominent lefty. they haven't attached a label to owden but they are backing legislation that would rquire our government to be more transparent in its rveillance. no think about this. they want to fce the justice department to declassify court opinions in this instance, court opinions operating under the foreign intelligence surveillance act or fisa, the foreign intelligence surveillance court, that measure probably won't work but it was worth drafting juut to see this odd pairing of senators lee and franken. don't you thnk? president obama. well, here he is. looky there. look there the differenc between senator obama and 2007 and president obama in 2013.

you think this job doesn't carry wi it a little weight and burden? we, then senate candidate barack obama accused the bush administration back then of putting foard a, quote, false choice between national security and our civil will liberties an s very fired up about it but i think it's a pretty safe bet that president obama now would not ke the same argument because he is caught, is are we all, between a real choice between national security and civil liberties. and snowden? well, snowden right now is still very much a question mark. >> it is simply a disgrace. our veterans forced to wait month, even years for their benefiis.ler joins us night with his solution. tonightw there is a pursuit we all share.

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>> our next guest has referred to the benefits back log at the veterans affairs administration as a national crisis. the back log has grown to affect 600,000 of our veterans, an increase of 2,000% just in the past four years. joining us one ofhe people trying to fix it, congressman jeff miller, chairman of the veterans affair committee and a member of the armed services committee and select committee on intelligence. congressman, good to have you with you. let me just start with the numbers i ca even believe. 273 days the average wait for a combat veteran for -- before any benefits? that's just that's appalling! >> that's the average. you might imagine this. we've got some individuals that are waiting 500 days and more. there are actually claimthat are in the queue now that are ars and years old.

and we've got to figure out what the problem isnd i want to help the department of veterans affairs. i don't want to do it from an adversarial position, but the numbers ke rising, veterans ke waiting and they keep dying before they get the benefits. >> it's simply outrageous. and thank you for trying to do everything you can. i know congressman chris collins of new york, they want the head of the department fired. >> well, he's an honorable gentleman. i don'want to go that far yet. let me just say this, the ice is getting very, very thin. i've already called fo the undersecretary of benefits to resign. the secretary said that he is not going to make that happen. so we're going to try and work within the construct that we have to make sure that they have every dolla every person and every technologyavailable. it's not a matter not getting what they've asked for because for the lst decade the

department of veteran affairs has gotten everything that think asked for. i think we've got a management problem and surely a systemic issue. >> and we're looking at these paper filesand boxes -- >> every regional office across the country you'll see stacks d stacks of those paper files. very little it have is digitized. when you separate from the department of defense and become a veteran, they give you a paper file that goes with you. you need a truly electronic record that follows you from the time you go into the servee and become a veteran. >> i'm been told the former secretary of the v.a. has suggested and i haven't talked to jim about this, i saw him a little over two months ago, but he's come up with an idea just give our guys an advance. let them figure it out later. get the money to them. >> that's a great idea. i have great respect for

secretary nicholson. the problem with hat is v.a. is terrible about going back and clawing back, if you wil, and collecting on insurance payments that are being made now where they have billions of dollars that are still outstanding out there. what'd like to see is maybe a partial payment, an advance of some type. think think that may be one of the only ways that we can get over the hill. the problem with all of this is with the focus that's being given to the disability back log right now, e overtime that's beg done,f they don't fix e system that they've got, it doesn't matter how many people they put in to help make this back log go down. >> and we've left out the man who is responsib, and that is, after all, the president of the united states, president obama. clients are always learning more

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good to have you the broadcast. >> gooevening. thank you for having me on the show. >> and a member of the ucla member of the board. good to have you with us, ronald. when we heard you'd gotten the idea for this watching aaron and me talking, i just sat there, sort of scratched my ad and thought he was such a great spokesman for the army medical center in san antonio for all of our wounded veterans, i couldn't be more delighted that y found him so inspiring. >> well, really did. he was exceptional and seeing him on your program. >> what is the program operation mend, aaron, meant to you? you have traveled so far. i said you were wounded in an

attack. we can -- as i si here looking at you across the way,ou know, you look amazing. you're back to that rugged marine look that you represented throughout your life. it's been a hell of a journey, though, hasn't it? >> you knw, half of what we learn in lifeeis through the journey. it's from getting from here to there. and that wasust one day in my life being wounded in iraq, severe wounded as i was. and having endured nearly 60 surgies in my recovery and having a program like operation men be there fome as a resource, having served my country and come home and have my country want to serve me in such unique y, to provide such specialized care as to really give back a sense of my humanity, to give me my normal back, back to who i was. it's invaluable.

i can'tthank ron, i can't thank ucla medical systems or brook ar medical center, everyone wh has touched my li along theway. i can't thank them enough, inuding you, sir. >> wwll, did nothing. i had the honor of reporting your story and getting to know you, and it's a treasured honor, i assure you. ronald, let me ask you this. you've been receiving money, various funding, government funding in part. the work, i got to believe that people when they heard me say 80 patients they thought, well, that isn't very many people. but until they meet the people that need the help, that's a huge number. tell us what we can do to help you. >> well, as you recognize, we deal with very severely injured patien, and it's not a single surgery that takeslace but

basically in aaron's case it's a large number of surgeries. and you have to really pay attention to these folks. the services thatwe provide are completely free. everyone that participate gets to come to ucla, a we bring their family, too, because we think the family component is critical. to be able to care for people like aaron and their families pnd give them this exrience along wi all of the people in los angeles at have kind of gravated to these young men and women, it's a very exciting community experience really. >> well, we want to put up on the screen where our viewers can help out if they are so -- if they so want and i hope that you do, operation mend.ucla.edu. also, we have links our web sites.

we hope that you will contribute generously to this wonderful program. aaron, ronald, it's great to see you. i'm delighted that you're doing so well. i know those kids of yours, your daughters mean the world to you. i wish you all the very bst and look forward to seeing you soon. thank you. >> aaron, thank you very much. ronald, thank you for all you've done. we wl help you continue your good work. >> up xt, the brand new book "the fate of the states" makes [ male announcer ] if you suffer from a dry mouth

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name for herself by making some of the toughest calls on wall street. he latest prediction describes how economic power is shifting from long time coastal strong holds like new jersey and calirnia toward more fiscally attrtive states. joining me is the author, meredith itney. >> it's such an honor to be here. >> and congratulatis on your new book, which i want to recommend highly. >> thank you so much. >> it's out, it's online,t's in book stores and we've got a connection to it on lou dobbs as well. the ia that we are seeing a nation where along our east and west coast werebecoming so heavily regulated, such massive taxes that is actually going to become a disincentiv for

folks and spell prosperity for a long time for the middle of the country. how soon? >> well, i'll tell you that the businesses are moving now, the businesses have been in the process of moving d it will take a little bit longer but the people are starting toofollow. all people want in this country and pretty much everywhere is an opportunity to build a better life. they want a job. so you talk in your show why is there not job creation? >> there is job creation. a half a million jobs have been created in the central corridor since the credit isis. the old school economic theory of, oh, the coasts are going t lead the economy forward just isn't working anymore. >> it's not working. taxes are rising astronomically. we're looking at demographic shifts as well that are going to be very, very important. you predict the smart money, the business, the wealthy folks will be relocating. you know, i think some interior states like illinois, i mean, that's got to get some folks --

people are having difficulty gettinghis evenings done. what happens is t only your taxes go up but when the states are really in bad shape, money for other things, ally important things look education, roads, public saety, that goes away. so people are paying more and getting ss for their money and then there's no money to retrai people. so unemployment stays structurally high. >> unemployment has become chronic. it is without qestion now structural without policy response, without leadership response -- >> without policy response. it's really amazing, right? it's all talk, no action. >> and we're aation wher

wee dependent upon growth, yet there's no discussion of when does prosperity return to the markrks? but when do we start to see the return to prospeeit >>here's the reallyool thing. you're already seeing it in these states. 2008 to 2011, and this is the last data available, states like texas gr over 8%, compared to 6 prs national average and ates like nor dakotarew 26%. states like california grew 3% during that time and states like florida, arizona, nevada grew even less tn that. so it's really happening here. the states that are not doing the right things, california, new jersey, linois, if they don't wake up and pay attention, they're oing to be way behind the ga. it's really dangerous. it's sad that the states that need the change the most are the

most resistant to the change. >> are banks back? >> i think banks are just going to -- are also in structural transition. >> ooh, i like that. structural transition. meredith whitney, we thank you very much. and we recommend her book, which is entitled state of the states on lon -- ale forhis ssion i upgraded your smart phone. ♪ right. but the most important feate of all is... the capital one purchase eraser. i can redeemhe double miles i earned with my ventureard to erase recent travel purchases. d with a few clicks, this mission never happened. uh, what's this button do? [ electricity zaps ] ♪

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at the time of chris kyle's agiccdea in february of this year, he was finishing up a book that defined his passion with guns, "american striper" a

runaway bestseller. merican gun" tells the story how ten unue american firearms shaped the history of this cotry, revealing how creativity and industrial genius pushed our history and power. here on behalf of chris kyle a co-author of "american gun" is william doyle. goodto have you with us. >> it's great to be here, lou, on pee half of chr-- behalof ch. >> we're going to have duelling books. it's fascinating, this idea of te guns that are remarkable. you tal about the lon rifles the spencer repeater, the colt 45, the peacemaker, the stuff that we grew up up on as kids, the bin chester rifle, any of

these level the relationsp between guns and america if you >> chris kyle thought tho there was an amazing story to be told about guns in history. this is not about politics but about great american history. chs thought it was important for to us know that, for example, abraham lincoln was a gun buff and technology geek. abraham lincoln had a shooting range of his own behind the white house, and he wouldo back there and fire off rounds at targets to test n gun technologies. in fact, one day he was crouched down shooting and the police came by because there was a rule against that in washington at e time and they started hollering and cursing at him and they ran over to grab the gun from him and abe lincn, e witness described, uncoiled himself higher and higher and higher and presented himself and

then the police realized, my god, that's old abe himself and they ran away. and lincoln said, well, they might have stuck and to see the shooting. teddy roosevelt helpedreate the 1903 rifle that our troops are still using a version of around the world today. and john kennedy was intimately involved in designing the m-16 which we use today. pits a fascinating connection, isn't it? >> absolutely. it's such a magnificent part of our history. >> the m-1 saved theorld because my father and so many members of the greatest generation had that gun by their side in combat zones in world war ii. that gun was better than the janese version, had nor shots.

>> now that counts for history and for saving american lives. at's the interesting ent play between technology and moving our history backward. putting food on the table, expand being the country. wenow about the crimes quite well. i thinkhat we've forgotten is the connection thatguns have to our military history and to our freedom in many ways. >> absolutely. we talk about guns that won the west. we're talking about the peacemaker, we're talking abo the spnser, 're talking about the winchesser repaeding arm. say it is a terrific idea, brilliantly executed. your hands and independent sure that chris kyle would be thrilled with the result. >> gd to have you with us.

>>. >> to loudobbs.com for links as well been your overwhelming response to ou quest to find the perfect nickname for this scandal-ridden president goes on. it's gotten so bad for this president that he is exceeding tricky dick and slick willie in their scandals. we've had some fun ones. these names are terrific. we're going to start out with baracka, the lying hawaiian. and one of my favorites is snowbama and obamaczar.

boonedoingle obama. as i say it, it just doesn't work. blundering bo and barackocrock. how about this one, obama-bin-lyin. i think that one's pretty good. i think we should continue this effort. you can write in and tell us

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