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line of temporary jobs. they're becoming a permanent way of life for some many people out there. in fact, the second-largest employer in the country, and the country is that tent agency. comes right after walmart, which itself is a heavy user of temporary workers. what holds more weight in our economy? the quality or the quantity. here to weigh in, economic professor at the university of maryland. and this ceo, a company helping businesses hire temporary workers. i hope i pronounced correctly. >> you got it exactly right. gerri: i love that. co-star with you. i find this trend disturbing. the idea that the second biggest employer in the country as a temporary services agency says that there is something deeply wrong with this economy. >> certainly we are creating many more temporary jobs and permanent jobs these days. they don't support a family, they don't even support an

individual, and it stands from a lousy jobs market. the new health care lot encourages employers to take to jobs and turn them into three so that they can avoid paying benefits. even without the mandate, benefit costs are skyrocketing. gerri: no benefits, no retirement. the list goes on and on. it does not support an individual, let alone a family. your entire business model is built around, very intelligently so, temporary workers. why the think this is not threatening to our economy. >> i every with you. temporary work forces are growing faster the economy. many businesses, the temporary workforce is becoming permanent. i think is a did -- it is a double-edged sword. at the same time businesses look to cut costs. the category of businesses -- the category of jobs that fall under this temporary rubric is

growing. it is no longer just a cashier at walmart, but temporary lawyers, accountants, technicians, software developers , and what businesses are looking to do is have flexibility in terms of the cost structure which is will we see in some of the numbers. gerri: your flexibility is my pain in the butt. you know, i find this so disturbing. 12 percent of workers are temporary. let's get back to my question of quality versus quantity. which will you choose in this scenario? more permanent workers to more permanent jobs, or more temporary workers. >> well, we clearly want more permanent jobs, not to dig it -- a way of getting started a new job or area or filling in from here to there, but most people long term have to have a permanent job, even if it is not as an employee but a consultant. a commitment. they're is a lot of that in the legal sector, the big law firms.

it's really necessary. you cannot make ends meet long-term. you can always talk about the benefits of temporary work, but it is disturbing that we are creating so few permanent jobs. one has to ask why. gerri: let's ask bob. why are we, you know, developing some many of these temporary workers? is there something special about this economy, this post great depression, great recession economy that means companies are just unwilling to commit to full-time workers? >> that is exactly right. i think after 2007, what has happened is businesses are gun shy. they need resources, the talent. needing to make that into the cost structure, seeing this impact of increasing penetration of temporary work force more than ever. gerri: i thought this was interesting to read a recent survey of economists that shows that three-quarters of them believe that this trend is permanent.

so economists, even people who may regard the creation of temporary jobs as a good thing because it is a job, this is becoming a permanent thing, something new to our economy. what kind of long-term impact will there be? >> for one thing people will be able to prepare adequately. working on a temporary basis, having multiple part-time jobs, things of that nature, people will not save much. they don't save enough as it is and will not build up pension benefits with employees, things of that nature. we will have an elderly population that is wholly unprepared. i predict there will be a big push for an expansion of what we know as social security. a broader tax base, higher rates simply to provide social security. this will end up costing us in more taxes and government, and i don't know whether that's good for any part of the private sector and all. gerri: bob, one of the big questions -- you always hear

that temporary work ultimately creates full-time jobs. you move from temporary work in to some kind of full time position. is there any indication that these jobs will blossom into a full-time position? >> i think there are two interesting statistics. 7 percent of u.s. employers say they hire temporary as a way to get full-time permanent positions, but the number for cited reason. second is global statistics show that cohorts of the unemployed who do participate in the temporary workforce over 12 months have a lower unemployment rate. it is definitely a gateway. of course come you don't want the temporary work force to overwhelm the growth of permanent work force which the what is happening today is we're seeing temporary work force grew at five times the rate of the economy. a disproportionate move. gerri: that is the glamor. i have to ask you about something that is a little

tangentially related. we have got -- and these are numbers that astonished me today . i have to ask you. we have more americans on food stamps, more americans on food stamps and we do in the private sector working. take a look at these numbers. 101 million people on food stamps. 97 million working full time. what does that say about our economy? >> two things. one, the economy is trading low-wage jobs so that people can find work but not enough hours and they qualify for food stamps are not high enough wage. especially if they have kids. the other, actively recruiting people to sign up for food stamps, people that might not be inclined because of pride or some other way of getting along. it brings money into communities. the federal government sends money to a rural community with a lot of potentially eligible people and that promotes the

grocery store. so the grocery industry wants people to sign up and they do it through local governments and nonprofits whispering and to try to get people organized and into the program. gerri: unbelievable. we have to get better jobs. in the meantime, thank you for coming on and great conversation. obamacare, pushing down incentives for businesses to hire full-time, as we just talked about. problems still popping up. a computer glitch that may allow smokers to benefit under obamacare. with more on this, the ceo of vital space technology. thank you for coming on. let's talk about was going on. originally obamacare was going to penalize them, but what is happening? >> they're is a glitch where people that are 65 in terms of employers being able to enforce a greater penalty, the system is not allowing them to charge more than a younger employee because

they have the the bill. gerri: the very people we want to be involved in.

how do you think insurance companies will react to this. >> they're freaking out for a number of reasons. it is their threepeat unintended consequences. if you come back to the announcement of the obama administration the lang the employer mandate, insurance companies were banking on companies enforcing or being forced to provide benefits so that they can get more members to sign up because insurance companies have to make up for lost dollars. what will happen now? suppose that i am an employee of a small company that says i don't need to provide benefits.

lyres when the mortgage meltdown. they lied about their income to get mortgages that they could not afford, and now we will be lying to get coverage that in the end we cannot afford either. >> and we are banking on dollars from the penalties that are going to be hardly enforced on self reported data right now from people that are going to simply game the system probably to try and get health insurance. this is not what we signed up for. this is not the law that congress had passed. this is not what the american voters signed up for, and i think it is unacceptable that we have a law that can now meet -- be manipulated and you can choose bits and pieces that can now be enforced. gerri: this would be funny if it was not so tragic.

we will have to pick out -- pick up the tab. thank you for coming on. thank you for being on set. well, more to come this hour including the best place to strain your favorite sports team online for free. next, restaurant nightmares, videos of dirty restaurants across the country going viral. if you are eating dinner, you might want to put down the fort when we do this. next time you eat out, watch out for this. ♪

gerri: if your eating, but down the fort. stomach wrenching videos may have you thinking twice before eating out again. look at this. the restaurant in washington state is shut down for a deplaning after this video exposed nasty old food. yak. plus, a dumpster diving. uploading footage of romney left

outside near that trash bins with the manager saying he would bring it back into surf. joining me now, senior staff attorney with the food safety program. welcome to the show. so i find this so deeply disturbing because it is not that i eat at fast food joints all the time and my suspicion is this happens everywhere, but what is going on and why aren't the people who run these restaurants more interested in keeping this place is clean? >> good question. i think you make a great first point which is that the bacteria don't know whether they are at a fast-food joint or a high-end restaurant. so unfortunately for consumers you can see these kinds of bad behavior is everywhere. it is pretty sad and shocking that we are seeing these things from whistleblower employees. really, the public health department is going into restaurants and inns -- inspecting.

a problem as consumers have no way of seeing the results. it is hidden. gerri: don't they put up signs? doesn't that still happen? >> only in some cities. if you're lucky enough to be in new york city or in some places in california and a few other places around the country, you may be lucky enough to see a letter grade, but the vast majority of cities, consumers have no idea what is going on. gerri: and let's show people more of this video, totally gross you out if your eating dinner. a taco bell worker in california was fired for looking at talk of that would be later sold to somebody. we were told later that the company said that was not the case. really? so what i think is good about this is that these employees, somebody out there is making this stuff public so that the consumers can respond. it is probably even more effective than some kind of government campaign to make you wake up because that is always

kind of blame and you don't pay attention, but let me tell you, people are paying attention to these. >> let's hope that this is the snowball rolling downhill where it starts with a few of these. what would be great is if some major fast-food chain would decide that they want to be the poster child for food safety and would ask for restaurant grades so that they could talk to their own success at protecting consumers. you know, being a will to be the standard bearer for having a letter grade a and every one of your restaurants across the country is good for business. gerri: we are watching right now we have an employee taking a bath in the kitchen sink, which is also kind of disgusting. it is at burger king, thank you very much. also disgusting and annoying, i do not understand why restaurants let their employees get away with this. why are there not better controls our standards? let's face it, they won't have

customers if this keeps up. >> prioritizing food safety is good for business. if people get sick, they do not want to eat out. and 40 percent of outbreaks are occurring in restaurants, so it is not a small problem. some of the problem can be that a manager who is food safety certified may not be on site, although they are required to be. they may not have a good handle on what is going on. you know, we would like to hope that it is a few rogue employees who are doing these things, but it is unfortunate that we are all at their mercy. gerri: it does not seem like a few rogue employees if there are videos all over the place. we are looking at a guy punching his finger in a taco right now. also -- sorry hear that. >> one would hope that these restaurants prioritize food safety and care for their customers help as much as they prioritize have good they're rating is r what the latest

dining review in their local paper says. those things are often kind of publicized, but the inspection is a hidden shame. gerri: anything you can do if you are concerned? my thinking is there is probably nothing that you can do. >> that is -- there is very little that consumers can do. you know, take a look at the common areas that you can see. you often cannot see into the kitchen. some of the most dangerous things you would not necessarily see any way, but you can see the bathrooms, and you can see other common areas. of those places are filled the, you have to question what kind of sanitation is going on in the kitchen. gerri: that is exactly what i look at. thank you for coming on. excellent information. thank you for your time. and later in the show a new proposal could stop tax benefits associated with investing in muni bonds. we will tell you about it.

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♪ gerri: if you want to cut the cord, that usually means cutting out sports altogether, a disaster. my next guest says it is still possible for fans to watch teams

live, even without cable. joining me now, senior tech analyst. all starts with the most important sport and answer the question myself. golf. pga. you can watch golf on your ipad or on your computer for free. you can't do that with all sports. less talk about the nfl. >> right. they offer a number of different options. but if you want to watch live games, you're out of luck unless you're a cable or satellite subscriber because the nfl has a lot of pre-existing deals with broadcasters. gerri: that sell them make their money. >> exactly, and there worth a lot of money. you can listen to the games live if you pay $10 per month. you could listen to audio and watch the replay. if you wanted to and live your going to need to be a direct tv subscribers subscribe to cable. right now if you buy madden 25,

it comes with the free 17 week subscription to nfl sunday ticket. so you can watch it -- you can watch it on your tv, but you can watch it on your computer, tablets, phone for free. gerri: let's talk about america's favorite sport, baseball. >> well, they have done a really good job when it comes to streaming. there were one of the first major league to get into that and offer something called mlb tv premium pass which costs about $130 per season and will give you access to out of network games which means that if you want to watch live games happening in your area you're out of luck because of the way that the blackout restrictions work, but if you want to watch your favorite team in a different place of state you can tune into them live and also catch up on highlights. gerri: $80 per year. >> exactly. gerri: the stock about basketball.

>> it works pretty much the same way. the nba has a number of different options. they charge separately if you want to access through a consul like and i xbox. gerri: people don't think about this, but the hockey season lasts almost all year long. can you access that without a cable package? >> he sure can, and the nhl has to do a better job with this stuff because they don't have -- espn. you can watch on connected devices. you can also watch hockey on the website. gerri: so a lot of these games -- really the toughest thing is football. >> yes,. gerri: everything else you can get access to if you really want to. the big thing for a lot of people is not the professional sports but college sports. what do you say that? >> college's top because of that -- the n.c.a.a. has different

rules come in different agreements. actually, your best bet is to watch espn. a lot of isp support it. you don't have to have cable to be able to access. a good opportunity especially from your local teams is to check out an area, which is a service. gerri: love that. >> the new york based company and about five per six different markets right now. but it provides all your local broadcasts over the internet. so you don't have to have a satellite or an antenna set up outside your own house in. you use one of theirs and can access that and get the local content, including local college sports. gerri: it's not free. >> $8 per month. gerri: which is not a lot. >> no. gerri: a lot less than a cable package. thank you for coming on. appreciate your time. now it's time for look stories you're clicking on tonight. the stock market heading higher with the nasdaq posting its best close in nearly 13 years.

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>> here again is gerri willis. gerri: a shot of times square, the crossroads of the world very busy today. uncle sam trying to get money from your muni bonds. joining us to talk about the possibilities of increased taxes on the muni bonds results.

so this is a big talk, the white house looking for tax revenues saying what we should do is tax muni bonds, would anybody ever buy one again of that happened? >> people invest in muniz for the tax to disability. people will go elsewhere, huge mistake. able spending like mad and looking for revenues and go for the well-heeled. gerri: $30 billion, this is something the white house just doesn't want to keep his hands off of. tell me, what would be the unintended consequences of this? >> you are not going to affect the rich, the rich will go somewhere else, but will affect the cities, the states, the municipalities. this is for sewers, hospitals,

schools, airports, you name it, for the good of the public. yet they are willing to do something like this, states and cities are alrrady on their backs. i don't get where they are going with this. gerri: you say the rich will go elsewhere, but often just your average rate harry that invest in muni bonds, they will get hit here. you will have this effect of robbing money from the localities that need it most, people at or near retirement trying to save all the money they can. it seems to be a double whammy. >> it seems to me whoever has come up with this idea came out of the movie "one flew over the cuckoo's nest." it makes no sense whatsoever. you try to get revenue from a

place, the people with the revenue will go someplace else. a corporate bond market, if the tax deductibility is gone, the corporate will look better, people will go better. who loses? cities, states, and the projects that are important to them. gerri: 13.5 billion, the third largest monthly outflow on record, where people getting out of muni bond funds? >> the fed has created a bond bubble, price and yield has been distorted for a while. when things get out of whack, eventually normalization will happen. all you have seen the last two or three months interest rates normalizing to the upside and bond funds perpetual. a lot of these muni bond funds lost three years of income, a very rough road for people.

gerri: if this were to happen, and frankly i am not sure it will, where would you tell people to go instead? >> probably go to corporate, but they will be a rush of money out of munis w to find those areas d they will be overpriced as well. a city and state government will be yelling and screaming at the top of their lungs if they even approach the subject. keep your fingers crossed somebody gets smart in the white house. gerri: thank you for coming in. >> thank you. gerri: now we want to know what you think. would you still by muni bonds with no tax benefits? i will show you the results at the end of tonight's show. it is time now for another

edition of "the willis report" wall of shame it. tonight's honoree, the irs. posting social security numbers of tens of thousands of americans online. they were posted to an irs database for tax exempt political groups. public.resource.org uncovered the problem while working on an unrelated audit. the government website with the numbers were posted was shut down the next day, s the whois information got leaks? mostly donors. you can add this to the growing list of irs scandals although to be fair, they are working to remedy at least one of them. acting irs commissioner telling workers in an e-mail today he is canceling bonuses because of the sequester. it calls about bonuses this year, but a clause enables the irs to renegotiation.

some that are good for you, and next one of the most popular family cars on the roads, midsized suvs. so what is the best to buy? after the break.

gerri: suv sales are roaring. a midsize suv challenge where 60 most popular models went head-to-head in a series of tests using families to test them from chicago. executive editor for cars.com. great to see you. let's talk about the contenders and how you conducted this

challenge. >> the cars.com challenge has always chosen a type of vehicle we have done cars, pick up trucks. this undecided to zero in on the midsize class five rows of seats, good interior volume more than you will get in a car but not as much as a big truck and a price cap and we picked six to go to the test. gerri: let's show the contenders. you use real people to test these i might have had different criteria and the people at cars.com, how do they differ? >> we considered consumers in these tests. the consumers do the same thing we do. a family, couple and their two

children from one vehicle to the next and check them out. it is honestly the best thing about this type of test because it allows us to do something that is very difficult, practically impossible for regular consumers to do because the dealership tends to sell one brand. gerri: you can make real-world comparisons. do they have different priorities than the experts? >> we always find that all things out that we may not have thought of. people who haven't shopped for cars and longtime don't realize how much there is now. usb ports in the front or the rear, household outlets to charge their phones, use the tablet and such always gets a lot of attention from people.

gerri: let's do the big reveal, winner described as a luxury liner by some of these individuals who tested. what was it? liz: it was the jeep grand cherokee. we have done a couple dozen of these large-scale tests. this one has been above. gerri: what do people like about it? >> there is a lot of technology and it is well implemented. 8.4-inch touchscreen in itself isn't something but it is easy to use, touch sensitive buttons. leather included in the price we tested, leather front and rear seats. backup cameras. it was overall very strong and that is usually what rises to the top in a test like this. gerri: what came in last? >> the toyota benzo.

it was really the only point of concern as far as fighting to make driving is a concern because people didn't like the brakes, too much action for your leg, they did not like the interior quality and that reflects on that vehicle and the number five finisher have not been redesigned since 2009 and it showed how much better quality has gotten in these things. it is lowered to the ground and americans just don't like wagons. gerri: thank you for coming out tonight, interesting insight. thank you. >> thank you for your interest. gerri: and the people fixing your suv may not have a college

education. what other careers fall under this category? number five, computer systems analyst. most of them have a bachelor's degree, it is often not a requirement. you can earn average salary more than $82,000. electricians usually require a high school diploma plus an apprenticeship. average salary just under $53,000. carpenters, expected to grow 20% by 2020. a bachelors degree isn't required by some technical training is. mechanics, these professionals earn $40,000 per year, no degree required. the number one is registered nurses. they make good pay, average salary close to $70,000 per year. we are writing a wrong compared to what you eat. my some foods are getting a bad rap and they don't deserve eggs, number one.

gerri: are you feeling guilty about buying bad foods? foods that are good for you but have bad reputation. coming up. úú

gerri: even food products needs redemption. the quest to stay healthy and fit can lead people to give food and bad reputation when they are good for you. here was foods i need a second chance, registered dietitian and

creator of moms dish it out. if you're going to start with what i consider a great food which everybody disses, that is the egg. >> i love eggs. i don't even qualify food is good or bad, we like to say everyday foods or sometimes foods, eggs are everyday foods. especially something like these that are lower in saturated fats. when the egg crazed started, everybody was worried about cholesterol. what raises the cholesterol is the saturated fat in the diet. choose lower saturated fat foods. eggs are lower in saturated fat so we can eat them. gerri: you can boil an egg, they are buttered, none of that stuff although i like to do that, to tell you the truth. easy to make and easy to eat. all right, let's talk about fruit because some are worried

about excessive sugar they talk about being bad for you. how is that possible? >> imagine a kid never eating fruit. as a diabetes educator, i tell my clients to eat fruit but it is a matter of how much fruit to eat at one sitting. you cannot eat a whole pound of grapes but you can eat your strawberries. you could eat about a cup and a quarter, that only counts as one serving of carbohydrate. you definitely can eat fruit and you want to be eating it high in antioxidants. gerri: the berries. >> blueberries, the perfect food. gerri: the gluten stuff, whether that is bad for you, regular wheat, can you digested, what you say about that? spiegel are we want to be gluten-free they're talking

about eating all of this protein. gluten is the protein in wheat, so why are we making our food more processed instead of just eating whole grains like wheat and bread and pasta? gerri: are they worried they have been genetically modified in that causes them to be difficult to digest? >> if you think about how processed the food is taking out the gluten, that should be more of a concern. instead, let's just try to eat as natural and wholesome as possible. pasta, i love pasta. gerri: i love it. >> and also soy food. those are whole soy foods. everybody says no, but these are whole foods, they are not processed. and there's no connection to eating whole foods and breast

cancer. a lot of people are worried about breast cancer. it is okay and safe to have the whole form of soy. gerri: thank you for coming on. it was all good news, i like that. we will be right with the answer to our question of the day. stay with us. weekdays are for rising to the challenge.

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