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>> very quickly. >> mitt romney lost it for many reasons. but i do believe that had the media been fair, barack obama would have been defeated. brent bozell, charles: all right, guys, we had a quasi serious conversation. photograph. [laughter] thanks for watching, see you tomorrow night. >> don't wait, call me today. >> lawyers are making money off this man who says he's too inred to work and this woman who says she can't walk. >> we are the good guys. if you fight her. >> you are completely screwed. john: says the trouble. that's our show tonight when. ♪ >> and now john stossel. ♪ [applause] him. john: and eric and a half has too many laws.
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is this the federal rules about 175,000 pages with. her now on not so cynical that i think politicians pass these is to control us. when there were pass someone said this lawyer is needed him. but the cumulative effect is to strale life, stifle innovation for every pound of good and they do tons of on-. i should not call him accretion khnum.
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you first. >> most of the laws or regulations are things we now except. you guymiss cigarette commercials? [applause] john: he said the smokers can't have any. >> we are winning, banning it in homes. john: a dictatorship of the majority. >> a single judge has looked at the issue and says there is no right to smoke. i don't understand why that has anything to do with anything. you had wonderful laws and not to germany, the soviet union. past mild highs of justice's court.
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streets and like their little children on? [applause] >> you have all your fancy theories. recently strengthened. >> who may view this hour? >> you have far more power than i do hon. i have to persuade that i am right. all he does is recycled. you have not achieved anything. what concrete have you received? >> we would be here until next week. >> is not in your fire.
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john: achievement is passing a regulation. >> i didn't pass those. john: years are it's fair. your law professor. >> require them. >> professors are supposed to be non-partisan. >> file a complaint or shut up. >> don't insult me. >> as anybody agree. john: you require assistance to some people. >> they're learning and biden.
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for the first-time they're learning that they can use their legal skillsot just a benefit someone with money but serve what they think is the public interest in. they do what they think is in the public interest. we keep winning. >> the pubc is a phony term. [applause] the only public measure of the hess and in many is in the declaration of independence. and the government is assigned the job of protecting our individual rights saughs. we can do all this stuff and want tdo baring stepping on other people. >> but under the declaration we decide what is and the public
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interest through congress, the courts, the regulatory agency. >> you kp talking about this. >> no one -- john: hang on. your students sued t dark in ha. >> wondering the same shirt. john: uses the bars features women more for her cat. >> fox business all of those. john: that these places also women are fuzzier. it takes more time. >> the interesting thing is we get the hair dresser for hillary clinton. john: a share herders is that. he just billy people into forming. of the rise to have to preview
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the. >> what value do something. john: ladies night band purse but actually, that's been done in the great majority of states. offering cheaper drinks to women because mostly guys were going. there have a half more women. [applause] >> of the men now cropping. in state after state after state they have ruled that it's illegal. >> the history of government is promises to do given tonight. from the pharaoh's some t the monarchs a, the severe here to help you.
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they cause major wars and concentration camps. all of this. we abolished -- the next up is the tyrannical state. the next step from that is a more dictatorial state. >> abolish government? >> restrain it, just like the founding fathers did. john: personal injury lawyers went to court and sue companies that may letters are we safer? >> t studies show we are. if we don't guess who pays and. john: how did these help? their 41 warnings no one reads them.
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forty-one. >> how many people go shopping in the grocery storend read t label. john: thank you. stick around most american support try to show the folly of our institive reaction. when there's a problem,eople think the new law will solve the problem honda. one group of people, those of the pechora open on manage a business. you discover and includes rules the can to achve. >> i cannot physically complying john: it runs a flower shop. he was just sued.
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dahna and -- >> o would agree with him. didn't be. >> if he knows so much in what doou join me, get that of the average salary and. go before legislature, according one. make your arguments in him and he of people who are in a position to judge the and act upon them while will adopt a position. c'mon down endless battle it out john: hostage to giving my opinion nearly. one of thems that this law is just almost impossible who follow. sinks and no higher than 34 inches. the bottom no lower than 3 ki this?
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de. >> of 2400 points in the average small business and then need to be corrected. john: 2401. >> over 100 measurements and restaurants have to be correct very few deal with many of the small struggling businesses -- if they can get information about the standards the need to meet, i guess it's challenging. in many cases these people would just getting by and these lawsuits are closing. >> again, i would agree. these cases involve a one-way fee structure. ifhe plaintiff wins they get the fees. if the defendant lens adulthood. we've seen all kinds of abuse. the lawyers to american do anything we want because it jumps up the hours. >> frivolous lawsuit.
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john: and almost never happens. he lawyers and judges don't want to punish each other. >> wire you same plaintiffs do better? john: they both make out in the business loses. >> how would you enforce the laws? what is a miracle solution? john: district -- disabled people a good customers. >> you know that's wrong. if the free enterprise system works so well we wou need the ada hidden. that kind of thing that when everyone else supports it may e want to rethink your position. john: thank you. stick around. more later. coming up, fraud caught on tape. this man said his fingers were crushed and he was 200 work. here he is working. al. stupid warning labels.
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♪ >> did not actually produce anything themselves. they're just trying to essentially leverage and hijack somebody else's idea to see if they can extort some money out of them courses has been described by some as the single biggest high-tech innovation in this country. >> what they are talking about our patent troll's. [laughr] john: this topic needs some explanation. that's a you invent something, spend your stamina but the new way to a send x-ray images of the internet. your invention makes something better. makes sense to you be rewarded for its discovery which is why we have patents. they inspire people to invent new things. in the constitutio america's founders explicitly said that the federal government may promote the progress of science by giving investors an exclusive right to their discoveries.
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great. but even good rules get abused by lawyers. lawyers like patents troll rob burma. one company that he helped start manage to get ahold of a patent on sending any medical image of the internet. the u.s. patent office gives them out liberally. his firm then sued medical imaging companies. the result, an mit study concluded that after the companies were sued innovations stops completely. they stopped inventing things. you kill innovation. >> actually, i think we do just the opposite. i think we give people incentive to innovate. a lot of invention still come from garages and basements and people that put time and effort into inventing something. we assist those people in asserting their patents. in essence we are giving them the same ability that the big companies have when they patton something. john: how many of these have you
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filed? >> my current company -- john: both your old a new. >> between 50 and 100. john: and these people actually invented something unique? did not discover fund stuff that was at the office? >> we look at them carefully we only take on patents that we think a legitimate. and where there is significant infringement going on. john: big companies are just stealing ideas from little people? >> sometimes. history is filled with them. in today's economy is very difficult for a small comny to bring a product to market. apple, if it were to srt today, could not bring their products to market. what they're forced to do is partner with somebody who has manufacturing and distribution. when a small company partners with a big company, it's a very uneven relationship, and the small company usually gets screwed. patton said the great equalizer. they give us the ability to fight back, and that's a were
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doing. john: well, your current company has sued microsoft. your private company -- previous company sued ibm, walmart, office depot, capital one, all these companies are just east? >> well, a couple of things. first, some of these intentionally steel, but not all of them. they can, before they introduce a product, research to see what plans they might beeinfringing on. they choose not to. instead they choose to, in essence, but there had in the sand. that's fine, but then they can't complain when the patent that they are infringing on or the patent owners come after them. john: what do you think of this phrase patents trop? >> no, certainly i have been called worse. [laughter] john: which are you? >> what i am as a capitalist that makes money for inventors like these people and adds value for shareholders.
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john: obama and all of the critics are just wrong about associating you with -- >> what is wrong is with a broad brush putting everybody in the same category. i'm not making excuses for those companies that bring lawsuits just for the sake of litating. y me because it's cheaper than litigating. i think that's wrong, and we don't engage in that type of activity. john: i look at this chart it just goes up and up. you collectively trolled. you sued amazon for selling a touch screen. responding when a user writes on it. >> first of all -- jo: y on that? you invented the touch screen? >> i didn't. in that instance we acquired the rights from an inventor. let's say an inventor develops the touch screen. let's say they go the amazon. amazon says, you're a small and ventura. zero eight. maybe they even showed the
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touchscreen to amazon. maybe, just maybe amazon said d'amato, were not interested in it and then maybe two years later it came out and a product because a lot of patents are just garbage. the patent office does a terrific job with the resources that they have. of 50 got a patent data new message. side by side motion by pulling alternately on one chain and the other. his dad was a patent attorney. he filed this is a joke, but the government approved it as a real patent. >> the problem is, they can always hire the best and brightest. they are the gatekeepers. if we had a better qualified person at the patent office, that would benefit everybody in the system. john: we will solve this year. thank you for taking my abuse. coming up, our studio audience
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gets to awa a thousand dollars to the person who submied this year's wacky as warning label. also, this man sayse is too injured to work. but does he look disabled to you? disability fraud next. ♪ the pursuit of a better tomorrow is something we all share. but who can help you find your own path? who can build you a plan, not just a pie chart? who can help keep your investments on course, whatever lies ahead? that someone is a morgan stanley financial advisor. and we're ready to work for you.
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♪ >> have you been injured on the job? >> stop worrying and call us. >> is just that easy. >> collected over one-third of a billion dollars for injed people. >> injured worker. john: lawyers like those guys up you get money if you cannot work or injured. of course if you really are injured we wantou helped, if you're really injured. with all those workers compensation lawyers chasing money, and they must make a lot because they buy all those television ads, i wonder, were the people really injuredr do they exaggerates just to get money?
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, at least a quarter othen she'd, says paul "bear. insurance companies hire him to secretly videotape people who file claims, people like this truck driver who said he hurt his back to work and is now too injured to work. he cannot even do i do -- do light duty. >> we knew that this guy would be active. there were some leads that he might be hanging out with some relatives. before we know what he's in the water swimming, talking, conversing and then decides to climb up to the top of the slides as you can see and jumps off with no sign of disability whsoever. and the key here is this guy has a neck and backk injury that is basically preventing him from being able to work everyday. to me that is quite contradictory to someone who can sit at an office and work on a computer john: insurance companies don't
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hire you to check out everybody come only when there is suspicious. >> we see folks that are answering their telephone and say, well, i'm always at home, but every time they answer the phone your background noise. it might seem are else. john: when the videotape you find fraud how often? >> 81%. john: 81%? >> some form of fraud. john: this cost america hundred billion, about 9 billion for family. >> direct. john: this happens because? people accept this. as a big company perry they can afford it. members of report them. >> it is an entitlement issue. the proem is all of us are footing the bill for that every single year. ultimately it will be passed on through goods and services, clothing, everything that goes up in terms of price. you will see an increase as to what you're spending of the register. john: let's look at some of your other cases. this woman says she cannot even said aa desk because she has
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so much like pain, pain shoots up. the company said, we have standup workstations and she said, i can stand either. this video shows are walking ound and getting into an argument with her were friend. >> you can s that she takes the leg braces off and attempts to utilize it as a weapon to hit this guy. [laughter] john: and these people are all still collecting money? these cases are pending. >> us why we but the face. john: another case. a man said he was injured, had a crush figure and could not crippen to write or even do sedentary work. you cght him working at another job. >> wasndicating that he could not crippen to do h day-to-day work of the office. as you can see, he'sicking up broom handles cleansing, really not showing any form of disability or certainly something that would disable him for showing up to work every day john: does your investigator then jump out of the book and
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say we caught you? >> our job is to stay concealed. the last thing we want to do is have someone shoot at us. these folks are banking on these claims. john: here is another case. a person said he felt a pop in his neck travel down to is arm and shoulder. you found them. he can't work. he is in a jam. >> investigator followed him. this guy shows up in jeans and a tank top and begins to work out. the investigator, as y can see,he right hand side of the screen, pedaling his heart out to try to attempt to look like he is working now while he is videotaping this guy and very close quarters. john: one final example. a woman said after a car accident she had vertigo, was busy. she really was suffering. you fall letter to an amusement park wherehe got on the ride called the slingshot. >> correct. this is a chair where people will strap been on a seat belt and get lost about 200 feet into the air.
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i don't know that i wouldn't be quite busy if i had come off of that. john: simply catchinthem on video often is not enough to win the case? >> no. attorneys have what is called a good daybed a theory. these folks will say, hey, johnny was injured but you guys got him, you know, and a day that he elt great. the other two days after tha he was laid up in a rocking chair and could not move. john: you have to shoot them several times. >> multiple times untypically we try to go a week apart just to show a span over a month or this person has been capable of performing the duties. john: i would think that the new technology would help you. cameras have been easier and smaller. >> technology is our best friend. we're able to put cameras and things they youould not possibly imagine. i've got one in honor of john. we have -- there is a wireless transmitter hidden inside. it is amazing what you can put these things and.
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we also brought what appears to be regular b&w key, but inside the is a small pinhole camera. john: think about that next time you want to cheat workers' compensation. thank you. up next, this extension cord h a warning. wash hands after handling. why is that necessary? you get to award a thousand dollars to this year's stupidest warning label next. ♪ when we made our commitment the gulf, bp had two big goals: help the gulf recover, a learn from wt happened so we could be a better, safer ergy company. i've been with bp for 24 years. i was part of the team that hped deliver on our commitments to the gulf - and i can tell you, safety is at the heart of everything we do. we've added cutting-edge safety equipment and technology, like a new deepwaterell cap and a state-of-the-art
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♪ travel is part of the american way of life. when we're on vacation, we keep an eye out for anything that looks out of place. [ indistinct conversations ] miss, your bag. when we travel from city to city, we pay attention to our surroundings. [ cheering ] everyone plays a role in keeping our community safe. whether you're traveling for business or pleasure, be aware of your surroundings. if you see someing suspicious, say something to local authoties. ♪ [applause] john: lawsuits and fear of lawsuits creates an unintended side effects. we have cover some of the nastyy ones, but let's lighten things up. companies try to protect
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themselves from lawsuits by smearing warning labels on their products. they better because lawyers often cite a lack of low warning could have prevented this century. the result is the company's but dubious things on leaders -- lals. the wacky warning label contest. use of medco one floated the dumbest and you when a thousand dollars. second place its $500. after reviewing hundreds of entries narrowed the submissions to his five favorites. he agree to let you take the stupidest. you don't get the thousand dollars. what are your five finalists? >> anti fog glass cleaner. net for contact lenses or direct use in i. this is a rubber or arms. it says warning, not for human
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consumption. john: people use them to fish wi. >> right. john: it is plastic. you would not consummate. >> but if it is out there they could be sued. next, we have a speedometer. this is great. the maker put this in their boxes to encouge kids to get an exercise. the warning label amongst my says not responsible for illness or injury incurred while using this. so somebody is out walkingn step and a whole, you can sue them. john: this is made by kellogg. we contacted them. why did they have the test to do this? that did not tell us back. >> everyone uses these around the house. white or brown extension cord. warning. wash hands after handling. well, who washes their hands after putting in an extension cord? john: the call the company and cannot find anyone who spoke
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english. we don know. [laughter] finally. >> a box of matches. the warning label says, mocks -- combustion results and carbon monoxide known to cause reproductive harm. john: the problem is if you don't read the labels in this once you ought to. >> we have warning labels overload. john: thank you. when we return you get to vote and picked the thousand dollar winner. this year's whacky is warning. ♪
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♪ [applause] john: your turn. two ways that you geto ask questions. some omy guests. first, who wins that thousand dollars for submitting the stupidest warning label? his top five. again, we will let the studio audience pick the winner. so which is the stupidest? as you to raise your hand as we go through this. first, the glass cleaner that says, not for contact lenses or directing your i? all right.
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a bunch of you voted for that. that surprises me actually. >> artificial heart disease debate for fishing, warning, not for human consumption. john: you're on that one. the extension cord. wash hands after haadling. all right. in the running for the thousand dollars. >> a pedometer says the company is now responsible for illness or injury incurred while using the step counter. john: one, two, three, four, five, six. okay. lastly, the matches, combustion results and carbon monoxide known to cause cancer, birth defects to my reproductive harm. [laughter] six. we have five year. so, i think the winner clearly is the extension cord.
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[applause] of thousand dollars. and the $500 winner, my off- green vote counters say it is the glass cleaner. that came from melanie champagne in referee, north carolina. third place. the pedometer. that came fro justin smith, albuquerque, new mexico. thank you. if you want to submit something for next year's warning label contest, just search bob's organization. that will be there. now, your questions for my guests. bob word john. first from my facebook page. why are there no penalties for filing ridiculous and frivolous suits? daniel spencer says the answer would be the penalty is the
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loser pays. why such opposition to loser pays? what is the downside? >> there are penalties for filing frilous lawsuits. john: there never imposed. >> yes, they are. john: almost never. >> every other country in the world as a loser pay system. all the countries we are competing for up with jobs, europe and asia all have that. they have the ability i sued. john: you should know that tey >> no, they look at us and laugh. john: yes, ma'am. >> you mentioned -- john: before you ask your question now want to point out that you are here in your eyes will student. yoare here because he won the second prize in the essay contest for "stossel" in the classroom, that is cool contest where you write about freedom. [applause] sheet one at thousand dollars. >> go ahead.
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>> you mentioned many of your accomplishments. which of the laws instituted are you the most proud of? >> the ban on smoking in the back that we have reduced by almost half in the united states something even the surgeon general's report could not do that. john: you did that? >> yes,. [applause] john: wow. you are next. you are the first place winner. [applause] you are in high-school where? >> st. petersburg, florida. >> go ahead. >> my question is, is the trouble really with lawyers or is the trouble with unnecessary law? >> it is the latter. take my word for it. too many laws that are being made mostly because somebody is dissatisfied with something and thinks that somehow government politicians are magicians who will fix things.
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it. john: i wrote a book about that. no, they can't. i highly recommend it. >> the bottom line is you get screwed by a large cporation, you better have a lawyer because there is no way you can beat city hall. in more need for a lawyer. hn: if you history by a government you do because we have one government, but corporations tend to go o. >> earlier you were saying that banning smoking in homes, how can you do that if homes are kind of like an independent area? [laughter] johnban them in homes? >> three-fourths of states, court orders for having smoking in homes where a child custody is at issue. twelve states they banned smoking in homes where there are fosterhildren increasingly also in cars. the is no right to smoke in the is no right to smoke in
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>> we than you forour patience. that was quite a long pause for our viewers on fox newschannel. ou broadcast stations across the country joining us on fox broadcast. fox news can now confirm a verdict has been reached in the george zimmerman murder trial. i'm harris faulkner live from new york. we've been on verdict watch for more tn 24 hours. they haven't been deliberating all that time. they took a break, came back at it, and have been going all day ng with the exception of a quick break this ash and then over dinner. we learned they could still talk about the case during dinner and likely would have done that if they reached a verdict so quickly. the jury of six women had a question in the case about manslaughter charges. the judge said specifically what
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do you want to know? they never answeredhe judge back. we've been waiting for a couple of hours. this is a sanford, florida. it's 9:53 eastern. they would have been deliberating about 1 hours at this point. george zimmerman was seen earlier shaking hands with his attorney after the first break in the case, and now that they've come back from this dinner break, evebody in the courtroom, now the media have been called back. we're waiting for this verdic to be read. i do wa to mention an interesting detail. george zimmerman throughout the trial had a 10.m. curfew as the defendant. you'll notice the time. we're just shy of 10 p.m. on the east coast. now, the trial had been going beyond the 10 p.m. point last week, the closing arguments, the witnesses, and each timethat happened, the judge would then
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have to extend the time that he could be out and about. but tonight just shy of 10 p.m. here on the east coast, there sits george zimmerman and we could in the next four or five minutes hear what that verdict is. i know that we do have some guests on stand by and on in onr studios right now, and i want to bring in judge alex and mercedes column win if we can possibly do that get their perspective on this. in the mntime, i want you to draw your attention to what's happening on the screen. you see people with their heads in their hands. they're tired. it's been a long day. you've got assembled inside the courtroom, the defendant, his attorney. you've got the prosecution. you do not have judge nelson. she's not there yet. obviously she'll sit between the flags. she hasn't been bught in yet, but we are all assembled. we are all assembled and we've
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got geraldo rivera who is south of new york city. sanford florida. geraldo, this went very quickly after that dinner break. >> it did. it was a surprise. we never, harris, resolved that whole question this jury had about the manslaughter statute, the manslaughter, the lesser and included offense that the judge allowed at the last minute. we heard that they had a question about the context of that statute, its import, its meaning. the question is thought to be o general. the judge sent the note back to the jury and said what do you really want to know? as far as we know, harris, the jury never came back and asked the specific question that they had. i surmise, and this is just supposition based on my following this case so closely for the last 16 months, that they have, i believe,said wait a second. does self defense apply in a
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manslaughter rap as it did obviously in murder 2. we know murder 2 is off the table. there's no way on god's green earth this man, george zimmerman, will be convicted now of murder. as it turns out in terms of manslaughter, we similarly believe it will be very difficult for this jury to find him guilty on manslaughter. i'm not going to put my head in the place of those georgia now. we have waited so long. can wait for thes six ladies now to come forward and tell us what they believe. the judge now, judge nelson, coming into the courtroom. the defendant, you can imagine how george zimmerman, harris, is feeling right now. let's listen to the court proceedings. >> go ahead and bring them in.
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>> please be seated. members of the jury, have you reached a verdict? >> we have, your honor. >> would you please poll the verdict form and hand it to deputy jarvis? thank you okay. ifou'll please publish the verdict. in the circuit court of t 18th judicial circuitn and for seminole county, florida, state of florida versus george zimmerman, verdict, we the jury find george zimmerman not guilty. so say we all freperson. >> ladies and gentlemen, i mean, ladies. as your juror number is being called, please answer whether this is your verdict. jury b, what is your verdict. >> jury b 76, this is your
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verdict. yes. >> juror b, 37, is this your verdict? >> he y juro juror b51, is thisr verdict. juror e6, is this your verdict? >> yes. >> juror e40, is this your verdict? >> yes. ladies, i wish to tnk you for your time and consideration of this case. i also sh to se you of some very special privileges enjod by jurors. no juror could ever be required to talk abouthe discussions that occurred in the jury room except by court order. for many centuries, our society has relied upon juriesor consideration of difficult cases. we have recognized for hundreds of years that a jury's deliberations, discussions, and votes should remain their private affair as long as they wish it. therefore, the law gives you the unique privilege not to speak about the jury's work. althgh you are at liberty to speak with anyone about your deliberations, you'r
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