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that is it for tonight. we will see you next week. charles: and the unions get big payloads and residents get handouts you have a city like detroit down for the counter. i am charles payne in for neil cavuto. $18 billion budget hole forced to declare bankruptcy trying to get creditors to take a fraction to walk away also helps you deal with the peion problems but it is trying to get every penny it can in refusing to back down in the big reason meniscus says it is in this position
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in t f f firstlace but we could forecast this a couple years ago. >> and interesting development we're not sure what is going on with the bankruptcy. it looks like being mean violate to michigan state law which it is a sad day when one of the greatest cities once called paris of the midwest forced into bankruptcy but also gave help maybe it could get on financial footing but it is all up in the air and once again becae of a lsuit. charles: like greece greece, portugal, spain that does not necessarily make the problem go away. >> it is like a new plan and rebuilding is spend $100 million more than it
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check-in. what did they think it would have been? the population decline dramatically since 2000, 40,000 buildings standing empty. half of the traffic lights in the city don't work. this is a crisis staying out of bankruptcy will not solve the. they need a plan to deal with the overspending to give the life back to the city. charles: we see some businesses one of the pizza chain's other bringing people has a technology center but those o get the tax breaks but for those residents tuesday they wi not get anywhere? >> it is a massive
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population lost, the correction, and sustainable promises for the union but it is also the crime. one of the most violent cities in america for the last half century, it is almost one hour if you call the cops it is so bad they are stealing copper wire from the of light post 40% are out. i know now what row have been to the businesses they will have to do something. charles: i think they can keep the new busesses and sheltered but to ta about the economics highs spokeo a professor 47% of the adult population is illiterate but the mindset no matter how much money you give people
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they are not prepared to be more accountable to fige this out, then we're right back where we started. >> we need to see rivers, rivers, 36 percent f the city living below the poverty line. butt echoes back to spending money on the wrong things. bloated pensions and health care for the retirees and i understand there were promised the money but at some point of the promise is alive you cannot pay it. instead they should be spending on the city's future. maybe tax incentives perhaps educational programs but it is a way to find a way for word as opposed to paying union employees. charles: it feels like it will be a free-for-all. 150,000 homeowners did not pay property taxes in 2011.
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resident will say what about me? >> exactly. now even talk of love belau. where will that money come from? if there is a bailout? but justo pay liabilities even with the national level charles: a lot of people feel we're head that way. have a great weekend. we are already hearing for a bailout now saying the city could use that federal help it is now saying it is'' highly unlikely and now how detroit uld dig a anethole. >> it is unlikely and melisssaid th there is
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the opportunity for that to have been for the city to put together a plan to stop this craziness to let everybody focus. >> is like monopoly. creditors will have to take a massive hit with these lavish promises called paris of the midwest. not any more but if the key promises they cannot keep? >> may help in the future that they can't ifhey can stabilize but they cannot go forwar charles: they have to make hard decisions they cannot say if they are better in 10 years we will revisit the right now how wi this play out? this could be long and drawn-out.
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>> it will for sure this city will have to negotiate and me restructured, they will lookout to raise revenue. charles: this is the problem that i have. i read the 40 percent of the peace -- people in greece have never been on the internet but when you have these proble you can throw all the many in the world but how can they take the baton to roll with it? >> the reason it is different but at the end of the day there is a structural problem the hope to keep e people it begins
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to come back. charles: how important is the political salesmanship? everyone has to sell the city on the idea it is the ultimate shared sacrifice. >> it is based on confidence especially in the city the idea to adjust the data to make it so hopefully the city manager's can do that. charles: at the end of the day it goes through the bankruptcy judge and they will have all the power. >> gasoline to oversee and did the minister. charles: we could see something done with respect @% the bonds or the pension obligations this could have a new legal parameters. >> but that will be initiated by the city of like a corporate bankruptcy
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but to the process to have a restructured. >> that will he to be draconian. charles: one year from now reducing this will be good or the beginning of the d? >> is giving the city manager's in the interested parties it will probably take more than a year. charles: they should have done this sooner? you were fantastic. christine o'donnell says she s a target as the tea party and she has approved. the "rolling stone" cover controversy out of control an
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the irs. christine o'donnell says heard tax records were breached. welcome to the show. explain what happened. >> they keep dragging me. to have the criminal investigator is that on the very same day that i announced my u.s. snate campaign and a u.s. dollar state official hhs an appropriately and illegally access my a private personal tax records. from what the investigator told me they had been compromised and ms. used. but on this very same day that i announced a campaig and that tax records wote a illegally access the irs placed the erroneous tax lien on the home that i no longer alone ey and that follow mthrough the campaign even though the irs
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admitted it was a mistake and they said it was a computer error. i think it is very important to no that criminal investigators brought this to my attention. charles: during the campaign sieve -- and did you talk about that? i don't rember this coming up the you were being targeted. >> no. it came a lot. lot of misinformation was used as a political weapon. the point here is that if the inspector general's fice has evidence to suggest that my records where -- were inappropriate the access and they need to investigate and i am thankful senator grasey is office is investigating and we're hoping to the
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department of justice will take the right course of action and mine is only one of many cases where political candidates the word donors have their record access to. charles: i youctually hearing from additional people now? >> about their records? absolutely. in the washington times accommodate it did at least two stories on this with all the facts right. one of those is on our web site if they want more details. there are at least eight other people who have had their tax records and is used and illegally access by thers. if somebody is in a position have access to confidential records and are abusing that position, that
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is a grievous offense in the department of justice could get involved and i am dumbfounded eric holder will not pursue this. charles: are you really dumbfounded or just frustrated? >>. [laughter] this is about restoring fairness to the process you can disagr 100 percent of what i stand for but you should agree that the government should not abuse its power or use the irs as a political weapon in. there is glaring evidence that has happened in my case or at least eight other cases. if eric holder will act in a neutral position as opposed to a partisan operative. charles: he is attorney general for all of america. but with your political action committee we never heard anything from you.
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are you considering runng again? >> the seat that iran for 2014 is up in 2014 but i can honestly say that i dot know what i will d part of that is because of less bareness is brought back to the process, it inhibits every day americans from getting involved in that is why i am grateful judiciary committee and senator grassley are not giving upper -- up. charles: a lot of people still want you to run. >> a director say i am very grateful f the outpouring of support and even since the story broke. thank you. charles: tired of paying that phone bill every month? there is help on the way. meet this
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year since the middle of the 2000's. so we think the explosive growth of the mobile internet is great for a lot of consumers and businesses but at the same time operators have no choice to go to the limited data plan from the of limited brand. so what this is to wean is driving certain behavior where they start to curb their consumption so instead of doing the right to when they want to now they wait until they're on wife i. i don't know if you have ever experienced this but have you ever looked at content in thought instead of now i will wait to uil i get home. this is happening to millions of americans and over the course of one year we found 6percent of
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mobile users in the u.s. are curbing contt consumption over mobile so that means they're waiting. this is a missed opportunity for mobile marketers and advertisers who are trying to consume or engage consumers on their mobile dece. charles: bayou set yourself up as the middleman between the networks and the consumer. are you worried the bigger names tha can offer the limited data plans will get the bulk of t consumers out the? >> about 7585% and stay on the limited data plans because typically the better an networks so the majority
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are on limited data and the number of users is increasing in the u.s. just because of the shared family plans in the rest of the world they are unlimited. charles: so you have the potential audience for to have established that but are people saying i will watch the advertisement and the guine pig? are people really lining up for that? >> i think it is more than an extra goodies but see if you engage to watch a video or even make a purchase you may receive of data reward maybe 200 mb or in some
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cases you could earn one gigabyte. we believe that is meaningful amounts in those can be applied to your data playnd -- your data plan and instead of paying for the overage you could supplemento that is a benefit. it is not a few cents' worth of value but there really is overage which could be $10 or more depepending on your carrier. charles: that does add up and listening to this story carefully, it sounds like you have something disruptive which means a lot of money. congratulations. we will have you back to lk about your success. but we are out of time. thank you. remembered this meeting las month?
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two countries to the former ambassador bolten on what h makes of this. i white house says if snowden is there and you have not done anything, the president, he's not comi to talk to putin? >> it's silly. and the impression it gives to putin is that we're not serious aboutsnowden, that the most acute pain that obama can make putin feel is to deny him his august presence. i me, if that's the best that we can do, pew tip's just going to say i'll resolve this in my own good time. what we should be doing is imposing real costs on russia for not deliering snowden back to us. >> what kind of costs could we -- what would we do? levy tariffs? how can we financially put pressure on russia? >> i think the costs could be political as wll. >> okay. >> and economic. >> this guy put the top appoint in the joint for the five years. he the roughest guy.
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>> exkgb agent, knows how to play rough. that's right. what i do is things like pulling our ambassador back from moscow, put a lot of day-to-day diomacy on ice, and look for something to cause him pain plaly. in the case of china, i would release taiwanexecutive officials to travel anywhere they want in the united states. that would cause him to go wild and beijing. you wan something comparable for that for russia. >> over the last couple weeks, it elt lie times tiewpin was blinking. he talked about snowden to leave, not to release documents, america a great partner. it felt like either he was being extraordinary cynical or extending some form of an olive branch. >> would can slice it either way. i'm on thecynnical side, but you can see it the other way. i think he recognizes that snowden, for him, has risks as
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well as rewards, and that is having this uy in russia is not exactly what he would want over the long term. i think what putin wants from snowden is the information on his lapop, the documents he has, and what's in his head, ad if he's got that, then i think he wants to get him out of the country before he causes trouble. >> doesn't need him anymore. that photograph, the last time that president putin and obama got together, i had not seen -- it was like a divorced couple who, you know, the wife took the husband back for more alimony. that was the most -- two guys seem like they had destain for each other. >> it was not professnal conduct on either part, and i think it underlines the idea that you can press a reset button in relations with russia as the president wanted to do the beginning of the term or with any other country is just a mistake. op going bilateral relations are a long hard slog, and the russians are very good at taking concessions we make, putting them in h pocket, and say, what do you have for me today? >> it's a matter of give and
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take, but we give and give and give. >> and they expect more. >> wow. feed the bees, and that's what ppens. >> exactly. >> have a great weekend. >> you to appreciate it. >> bluffing on the snubbing putin thing? professional poker player is here to explain how we can tell. tiffany, what's the "tell" here from the president, and do you think putin's pickedit up? >> well, that's a good question. you know, you have obama and you have putin sitting dwngoing head-to-head, high stkes poker at its best, diplomacy and brinksmanshipand obama sitting down daring putin to make the first move, all in or fold. when you have history with someone, there'sdeviations and patterns to se if theare bluffing, physical, verbal cues, and there's lot on the line here. >> you'veseen the photograph of them sitting there, and ambassador's point, they looked unimpressive like they were not world leerdz, but slouches, legs
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open, collars open. what are you sensing from them? >> it's an uncomfortable situation. you know, the erfect time to bluff someone is when their decision is not going to be easy. never give your opponent an eas decision, an in obama's case, it's a difficult decision for putin with asylum, the russian public would like to seethe u.s. shamed. at the same time, putin has to think about u.s. relations which have been decreasing, and his international overall approval so he has a tough decision here, a in this case, the only way you know if the president's bluffing or not is by folding or calling. >> we know there's round two of this whole thing, and you talked about having the history. they met a couple of times, and it felt like they got icier, bu there was a hint there wasa better relationship in the second administration or second term, what would the president
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do differently? when you play poker, you hve a hatand sunglasses on. wear a hat and sunglasses next time in >> oh, i'm not sure f he should wea a hat and sunglasses, but it's a little bit tricky. obama's going up against a very, very strong leaders. i don't know that putin is pushed around. he has a lot to consider in the situation, a lot at stake, but the same time, he couldgo one way other the other. i don't know that obama has leverage. they have a tense relationship. ey could say, well, who cares about the relationship with the u.s., i'm giving asylum to snowden, so i don't know if there's enough on the line to really push him around in the situation. >> before i let you go. how are you? winning big pots lately? what's beginning on with you? >> i've been doing really well, i do't have any tough decisions as to whether or not to give potentially one of the biggest whistle blowers in history asylum or not in my country, so long as i don't have difficult decisions like that
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and just decide whether to go all in or not, the my life's good. all right, tiffany. by the way, next time they are together, study the tape because we'll go over it one more time. all right. see you soon. hey guys, this speech in europe, how the heat wave could put the entire economy on ice. and then the outrage over the outrage. wait until you hear who is defending this rolling stones cover. ♪
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gary, you say this is green energy's time to shine. >> exactly. i mean, you look at your bill, and you would think an entrepreneur says, h, this is the time for the home windmills or solar panels to work, and this gets to my point why i think the green energy thing is smoke and mirrors because now is the time to take advantage of the high price electricity and come in with less expensive green energy, and, yet, i don't see the entrepreneurs knocking at the door. >> what do you think it is, keith, thetechnology's not there or not enough government subsidies? >> oh, an interesting question because, you know, the idea that the government can spend money better than a private entpreneur is preposterous as the concept of central intelligence or the sa lately. this costs aerica $300 billion a year, districted generation, solar power, alternative fuels, we have a network built and degned in 1890 that's used in 2013. the problem is it is all
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reaction, not proactive distrition. >> all right, guys, i got to tell yoou the solar stocks doing well this year for other reasons. talking about the heat. he heat's not hurting everyone. whirlpool selling air conditioner d everything else. its profits jumped 75% last quarter. this summer looks like americans are buying a gold-old fashioned home goods, but not the technology cool stuff anymore. >> well, that's an interesting point, and yet whirlpool's strategy is paying off, going up market, sells high premium items. i worry about how much is funded by debt, the consumer, and implicitly buyer or the government with trickle-down economics. if that crter, tyare at risk. >> right now, street loved the earnings, and, by the way, i think it's also reflection of the world, gary, wanting our stuff. people in latin ameica love whirlpool, asia loves
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whirlpool's stuff. in a way, it's kemp prelim ri as well. >> right. it is, charles, but, you know, the bulk of the activity is still in north americ and it gets to my premise that i've had for years now that as the population ages, people like you and i, and you are younger than me, granted, you want to stay home more. i think people are tired of going to restaurants and traveling on fancy vacations and bung fancy cars so this whole idea of cacooning, in vogue twenty years is coming to fruition. translation? people want to upgrade their homes with better appliances, better, you know, air-conditioning systems. that feeds into whirlpool's positi and kind of as opposed to what keith's saying, whirlpool is in a swet spot and will be regardless of what happenso the economy and the dollar and all that stuff for the next few years. >> it is interesting. people who are pedestrian watchers of the stock market,
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they graff state to the cool hip stuff. what's apple doi? what's google doing? today, microsoft and google got wax, and it's the old-school businesses around for p200 years doing bell -- well. >> it's real as we age so the con cement of this purchasing is a solid -- >> i'm not that old. >> go ahead. [laughter] >> there's a lot to like there, and i fear the debt phenomena that we have not finished, and i worry about the fact that earnings jumped 5% because it's unusual. i take it, don't get me wrong, butit's unusual that it causes me to thnk twice. >> ihear ya. you know, talking about thinking twice,china, they are not great, but neither are we. china facing a big slow down,
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and now a lot of american companies say that they are hurt because of that, gary, are we relying on american companies, maybe the american government too much on china? >> well, you know, we might be, charles, but go back about 20-30 # years, take out china, substitute apan, an remember we had at home, my gosh, japan is taking over, so much smarter and growing so much faster. japan's growth in the 60s was 10%, dropped to 7.5%, 4.5%, and you don't hearr much about japan being this feared rival of the u.s.. i think that's the way china's going to go. in fact, they might accelerate because they are not nearly as democratic as japan has been and is now. >> everyone talking about the demise of china, and in some ways, they are acting more responsible than we have, and they sloid down the econy,
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made bank lender tougher, and it seems like we're pushingthe gas pedal, they push back, it could be more responsible. >> here's the thing, charles, they bet on china's failure, but bet on their success. the reasonis china imports 96 cents on every dollar they export. theyshift t method consumptions. american companies link to commodities, big projects that fail or see diminished revenue. they are linked to brands like whirlpool likely to grow becse that's what is growing china, the internal domestic consumppion is ral, and slow not, 7.5% versus a percent here, really? the economic center of gravity is there, not her, d it will be for decades. >> i'm -- no offense to the crowd, but i'm leaning towards keith on this one. hey, guys, yo are absolutely fan tas pick. have a great weekend, and we'll
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>> the "new york times" sinks to a new low publishing an article defending rolling stone's cover calling the hysteria about the accused boston bomber heat wave indeuced saying the mayor hype ventilated about the whole thing, and mike huckabee is outraged. governo i just -- i guess, you know, like minds think a like, but it's hard to believe no one, everyone is offended by the
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cover. >> what's offensive is of all the picture they chose, they chose a self-styled pprtrait that the guy made whe he looks sort of like a young jim morrisson or think of him in a g shot or the red do on the head is more appropriate. their just dpi cation ss, well, it's a monster, and a picture is worth a thousand a words. >> a icture is worth a thousand words, but companies, drugstores, right-aid, cvs k-mart, all th comanies said they were not going to push it, display thismagazine or sell this particular issue. should there be more of anout cry, it's just thumbing its nose at thanks americans stand for and, of course, the victims. >> i usually don't get excited
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when they pull it, but are you sure this is who you ant on the cover? the better course is not to boy the issue. unfortunately, i'm afraid lot of peple go by it because of the publicity it's had. that's the mostunfortunat outcome of all. >> "new york times" coming to sort of say to anyone that thinks this is in poor taste, anyone offended by this, maybe it was the heat, maybe you are hype ventilating. how upset does that make you? >> given the source that it's the "new york times" -- >> it is, but even feels like they have gone to a new low on this one. >> i don't think they are winning any friends, not that they had a lot other than on the far le, but this is not the way you endear yourself, certainly not to the people of boston. people around th country who saw what happened in boston realized that it was an outrageous agent of terrorism, and there's nothing glamour rows about the hideous people who did this. maybe instead of his pictre,
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they shod have put the picture of some of the victims and say a monster did this to some totally innocent bystanders watching one of the greatest events in american sports. >> maybe then i would have gone to buy it. also, what about the idea the celebrity treatmt might encourage others? there's got to be disturbedkids in the country people who, listen, he came to the country, the family came to the country, america treated them well, giving them welfare, a great educaon, friends here, and america rolled out the red carpet of treatment to the guy, and, still, he was a home grown terrori. at least that's the accusation >> does this push him over? >> absolutely, especially sick people who are nobodies. they want to be somebodies. when the shooting happened, arefused on television and the radio show to ever mention the name of the shooters, never mention them. i called them the shooterment i
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don't think you want to publicize and give the people a platform. that what they look for to see the name, their face, omehow in the big lights, and i think that's a terrible thing to do encouraging other losers to think, maybe for a moment, everybody will know who i am. >> what do you think this goes from here? maybe the best case scenario's that we report on it more, and that we not only not mention the bomber's name or the magazine's name anymore. >> the ultimate punishment for rolling stone is people stop buying it. >> i think that's probably a big problem for them anyway. the maggazine itself has been in decline for a long time. a t of people say it began in 1980, ronald reagan, missed the mtv generation, missed rap, down ill had, and, and it's a hck of a hail mmry, they threw a bomb either to blow up in their faces or i don't know why they thought
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this would be the thing that would help. >> it was a foolish decision, and unfortunately, it's very offensive, not just to the people in boston, the victims, but to every decent-minded american, and i'm proud of the cop. i know what he dd broke the rules, and he's in trouble for it and probably loses his job, but i like it wwhen the irish temper, shawn murphy, got to love him, that irish temper says to heck with this and publishes the photos of the creep, and that's more appropriate. god bless him. >> god pleses him. say his name a million times. >> shaun murphy, you're a hero. there you go. >> you are oo. >> thanks, charles. >> the government is listening to your calls, reading your e-mails, and trackg what you eat. get ready to lose your appetite.
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you eat. the government's shelling outs nearly $150,000 on a study aimed at forcing people to eat healthy. now, it's providing gps devices that keep tabs on people day-to-day shopping habits. this is a waste of time and money, and on and adam here with us as well. moica, it's almost per postrows, but all the stuff in the new these days, it's not hard o believe. >> i'm not against collecting information if it heps the government agencies be more efficient, carry out their missions, and spend less money in the process, but i don't understand what we're going to glean from this study in particular. they are giving gps devices to people who elect to be part of the study to see where they eat and, you know, in eneral, this is targeting ffst food establishment, and i think the conclusions should be fairly straightforward using common sense. people eat where it's convenient. why do we need a sy for this? >> well, ron, why do you think we need a study for this?
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something nefarious going on here? >> it's not nefarious, buti think it's enough is enough. the government's trying to regulate what we eat, what size oilets to have, the type of lights we have, reading our e-mails, seizing our phone records, and at some point, it breaks down the ethos o american freedom, and people, especially young people are saying enough is enough, we had it the the governme has to stay within the proper roles, and, frankly, where's the study on government obesity? gao, thegovernment's auditor, found $300 billion, with a "b" in waste last year alone, and where's the study on that on how to cut that? >> adam, a funny feeling, they'll say, you kow people go to restaurants, supermarkets, and sometimes they eat a hot dog at the hot og stand. rth the time, effort, and mone >> well, i'm glad that monica sort of explained what this is, a smll academic study aimed at gathering information, not this police state thing that you and
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ron want to make it out to be. there's nothing wrong with academic studying these things because, charles, i unerstad and don't disagree with your point, people want to eat where it's convenient. we also know that people don't always eat as well as they could be, and fast food, ifyou ate thertoo frequently can, can -- i on't want to get his tear kl here, but can be bad for your health. >> adam, here's the thing, i know what's going to happen. i know they are going to get the results of the study, and they argoing to use it as the war against the useof fast food restaurants, against the notion of foods, and push an agenda that is against personal freedoms, and that's why 'm worried about it,and we need to be hysterical. >> that's uncharitable to the academics and infringes on their academi freedoms by suggesting that you -- >> if you donate your own money, fine, but don't say the
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taxpayers should do it. if you believe in the sudy, donate your own $150 million. don't take mine. >> the da should be the agency that's responsible for looking into the chemicals that we put into food and the fact we use corn to be a major sweetener in our foods, and that's compounding this osity program. why not focus on that? >> they are. why do you think these studies exist? i mean, really, what's the real obviousive here? >> well, i'm not going to fall into this baited question. >> i just want your opinion. >> i will. >> well, i think to a certain extent, studies can add value to these gencies. i just don't see the sensein this one, and think we have a history of throwing money behind fairly aimless -- >> like shrimp on a treadmill. adam, why are we doing thi >> well, i think we are having, this is a good conversation. i think ron would say we shouldn't be doing this study or any other stud and so we wouldn't have come up with, you know, cures for cancer, the
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internet, things that the government has contributed to. if you want to go -- >> i'm not done -- >> i should pay for them rather than the united states government, fine, i think the united states government's funding certainly academic studies is a great idea and has been true historically for a very long time. >> not every study adds value. that's the other side of the coin. >> of course not. >> the internet did not come from academia. hate to break it to you. >> t came from government funding for -- >> we're not -- >> let's talk about that, people. t's not talk about the internet. >> stop tying to disstraight us. the fac of the atter is this program is designed how government can regulate it. >> highly involved in the project. >> go ahead, ron. >> listen -- >> let's -- ron, back to the premise here, though. the government is collecting data on every aspect of our lives. i'm not sure that -- >> not in this study, they're not. >> alldifferent studies, all
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combined, all the spies, snooping, collecting a bunch of data on us, and it doesn't feel like it's all for good reasons. >> no, it doesn't. that's whati'm saying. i think that the american people are tired of having the civil liberties trample odd. could be small, but it's frustrating that instead of our government focusing on how to fix a great use of oppression going op now or fixing what's happening in the student loan, with the student loan bubble, they focus on this. there's huge problemsfacing the country that we should be studying and figure out how to fix, but we blow money on stuff like this. it's upsetting. >> we're the ones -- >> obesity is the problem. >> focusing on a hundred thousand dollar program. this is not a giant effort by the united states. >> 150 million. >> monica? >> no, no, thousands, thousands. >> one second, go ahead. >> i'm for spending money wisely. if i have one mo, it's that, but obesity is the problem. i want to see the government be more targeted in the way they spend money, focus on the low
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hanging fruit, and this des not qualify. >> we have to be carful of the bait and switch. we worr about obesity and everything else. hey, by the way, great panel, great aud lou: the good evening. a nation of the george zimmerman murder trial has been blatant from the benning but now the rhetoric from the obama administration is incendiary. aimed to undercut public confidence in the judicial system, a trial by jury and does a man not guilty verdict. many of the corrosive comments have originated with the leading law enforcement officer. attorney general eric holder first obama release is a statement yesterday calling for rtraint but not missinan opportunity
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