charles: and the unions get bigayloads and residents get handouts you have a city like detroit down for the counte i am charles payne in for neil cavuto. $18 billiobudget hole forced to declare bankruptcy trying to get creditors to take a fraction to walk away also helps you deal with the pension problems but it is trying to get every penny it can in refusing to back down in the big reason meniscus says it is in this position

in the first place but we could forecast this a couple years ago. >> and interesting development we're not sure what is going on with the bankruptcy. it looks like being mean violate to michigan state law which it is a sad day when one of the greatest cities once called paris of the midwest forced into bankruptcy but also gave help maybe it could get on financial footing but it is all up in the r and once again because of a lawsuit. charles: like greece greece, portugal, spain that does not necessarily make the problem go away. >> it is like a new plan and rebuilding is spend $100illion more than it

check-in. what did they think it would have been? the population decline dramatically sin 2000, 40,000 buildings standing empty. half of the traffic lights in the city don't work. this is a crisi staying out of bankruptcy will not solve the. they need a plan to deal with the overspending to give the life back to the city. charles: we see some sinesses one of the pizza chain's other bringing people has a technology nter but those who get the tax breaks but for those residents tuesday they will not get anywhere? >> it is a massive

population lost, the correction, and sustainable promises for the union but it is also the crime. one of the most violent cities in america for the last half century, it is almost one hour if you call the cops it is so bad they are stealing copper wire from the of light post 40% are out. i know now what row have been to the businesses they will have to do something. charles: i think thecan keep the new businesses and sheltered but to talk about the economics highs spoke to a ofessor 47% of the adult population is illiterate but the mindset no matter how much money you give people

they are not prepared to be more accountable to figure this out, then we're right back where we started. >> we ne to see rive, rivers, 36 percent f the city living below the poverty line. but it echoes back to spending money on the wrong things. bloated pensions and health care for the retirees and i understand there were promised the money but at some point of the promise is alive you cannot pay it. instead they should be spending on the city's future. maybe ta incentives perhaps educational programs but it is aay to find a way for word as opposed to paying union employees. charles: it feels like it will be a free-for-all. 150,000 homeowners did not pay property taxes in 2011.

residents will say what about me? >> exactly. now even talk of love belau. where ll that money come from? if there is a bailout? but just to pay liabilities even with the national level charles: a lot of people feel we're headed that way. have a great weekend. we a already hearing for a bailout now saying the city cod use that federal help it is now saying it is'' highly uikely and now how detroit could dig a anetho. >> it is unlikely and messa said that there is

the opportunity for that to ha been for the city to put together a plan to stop this craziness to let everybody focus. >> is like monopoly. creditors will have to take a massive hit with these lavish promises called paris of the midwest. not any more but if the key promises they cannot keep? >> may help in the future that they can't if they can stabilize b they cannot go forward. charles: they have to make hard decisions they cannot say if they are better in 10 years we will revisit the right now how will this play out? this culd be long and drawn-out.

>> it will for sure this city will have to negotiate and me restructured, they ll lookout to raise revenue. charles: this is the problem that i have. i read the 40 percent of the peace -- people in greece have nver been on the internet but when you have these problems you can throw all the many in the world but how can they take the baton to roll with it? >> the reason it is different but at the end of the day there is a structural problem the hope to keep the people it begins

to come back. charles: how important is the political salesmanship? everyone has to sell the city on the idea it is the ultimate shared sacrifice. >> it is based on confidence especially in the city the idea to adjust the ta to ma it so hopefully the city manager's can do that. charles: at the end of t day i goes rough the bankruptcy judge and they will have all the power. >> gasoline to erersee and did the minister. charles: we could see something done with respect @% the bonds or the pension obligations this could have a new legal. >> but that will be initiated by the city of like a corporate bankruptcy

but to the process to hava restructured. >> that will have to be draconian. charles: one year from now reducing this will be good or the beginning of the end? >> is giving the city manager's in the interested parties it will probably take more than a year. charles: they should have done this sooner? you were fantastic. christine o'donnell ys she was a target as th tea party and she has approved. the "rolling stone" cover controversy out of control controversy out of control an

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the irs. christine o'donnell says heard tax records were breached. welcome to the show. explain what happened. >> they keep agging me. to have the criminal investigator is that on the very same day that i announced my u.s. senate campaign and a u.s. doll state official hhs an appropriately and illegally access my a private personal tax records. from what the investigator told me they had been compromised and ms. used. but on this very same day that i announced a campaign and that tax records wrote a illegally access the irs placed the erroneous tax lien on the home that i no longer alone they and that followed me through e campaign even though the irs

admitted it was a mistake and they said it was a computer error. i think it is very important to note that criminal investigats brought this to my attention. charles: during the campaign sieve -- and did you ta about that? i don't remember this coming up the you were being targeted. >> no. it came up a lot. lot of misinformation was used as a political weapon. the point here is that if the inspector generas office has evidence to suggest that my records where -- were inappropriate the access and they need to investigate and i am thankful senator grassley is office is investigating and we're hoping to the

department of justice will take the right course of action and mine is only one of my cases where political candidates the word donors have their record access to. charles: i you actually hearing from additional people now? >> about their rords? absolutely. in the washington times accommodate it did at least two stories on this with all the facts right. one of those is on our web site if the want more details. there are at least eight other people who have had thr ta records and is used and illegally access by the irs. if somebody is in a position to have aess to confidential records and are abusing that position, that

is a grievous offense in the department of justice could get involved and i am dumbfounded eric holder will not pursue this. charles: are you really mbfounded or just frustrated? >>. [laughter] this isabout restoring fairness to the process you can disagree 100 percent of what i stand for but you should agree that the government should notbuse its power or use the irs as a political weapon in. there is glaring evidence that has happened in my case or at least eight other cases. if eric holder will act in a neutral position as opposed to a partisan operative. charle he is attorney general for all of america. but with your political action committee we never heard anything from you.

are you considering running again? >> the seat that iran for 2014 is up i 2014 but i can honestly say that i don't know what i will do. part of that is because of less bareness is brought ba to the process, it inhibits every day americans from getting involved in that is why i am grateful judiciary committee and senator grassley are not giving upper -- up. charles: a lot of people still want you to run. >> a direcr say i am very grateful for the outpouring of support and even since the story broke. thank you. charles: tired of paying that phone bill every month? there is help on the way. there is help on the way. meet this every day we're working to be an even better company -

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it is about to get worse obama is putting on his poker faceto talk tough. next

>> adden insult to inury or a political ploy in the president's going to russia later this summer, but the white house is signaling he'll skip out on a meeting wi the russian president putin. this is just the latest move

sirrig up tensions between the two countries to the former ambassar bolten on what he makes of this. i white housesays if snowden is there and you have not done anything, the president, he's not coming to talk to putin? >> it's silly. and te impression it gives to putin is that we're not serious about snowden, that the most acute pain that obama can make putin feel is to den him his august presence. i mean, if that's the best that we can do,pew tip's just going to say i'll resolve this in my own good time. what we should be doing is imposing real costs on russia r not delivering snowden bac to us. >> what kind of cost could we -- what would we do? levy tariffs? how can we financially put pressure on russia? >> i think the costs could be political as well. >> okay. >> and economic. >> this guy put the topappoint in the joint for the five years. he's the roughest guy.

>> exkgb agent, knows how to play rough. that's right. what i do is things like pulling our ambassador back from moscow, t a lot of day-to-day diplomacy on ice, and look for something to cause him pain plailly. in the ce of chna, i would release taiwan executive officials to tvel anywhere they want in the united states. that would cause him to go wild and beijing. you want something comparable for that for russia. >> over the last couple weeks, it felt like times tiew pin was blinking. he taked about snowden to leave, not o release documents, america a great partner. it fet like either he was being extraordinary cynical or extending some form of an olive branch. >> would can slice it either way. i'm on the cynical side, but you can see it the other way. i think herecognizes that owden, for him, has risks as

well as rewards, and that is having this guy in rusia is not exactly what he would want over the long term. i think what putin wants from snowden is th information on his laptop, the documents he has, a what's in his head, and if he's got that, then i think he wants to get him out of the country before he causes trouble. >> doesn't ned him anymore. that photograph, the last time that president putin ad obama got together, i had not seen -- it was like a divorced couple who, you know, the wife took the husband back for more alimony. that was the most -- two guys seem like they had destain for each other. >> it was not professional conduct on either part, and i think it underlines the idea that you can press areset button in relations with russia as the president wanted to do at the beginning of the term or with any other country is just a miske. op going bilateral relations are a long ard slog, and the russians are ery good at taking concessions we make, putting them in the pocket, and say, whado you have for me today? >> it's a matter of give and

take, but we give and give and give. >> and they expect more. ow. feed the bees, and that's what happens. >> exactly. >> have a great weekend. >> you too, appreciate it. > bluffing on the snubbig putin thing? professional poker layer is here to explain how we can tell. tiffany, what's the "tell" here from the president, and do you think putin's picked it up? >> well, that's a good question. you know, you have obama and you have putin sitting downgoing head-to-head, high stakes poker at its best, diplomacy and inksmanship, and obama siting down daring putin to make th first move, all in or fold. when you have history with someone, there's deviations and patterns to see if they are bluffing, physical, veral cues, and there's a lot on he line here. >> you've seen the photograph of them sitting there, and ambassador's point, they looked unimpressive like they were not world leerdz, but slouches, legs

open, collars open. what are you sensing from them? >> it's an uncomfortable situation. you know, the perfect time to bluff someone is when their decision is not going to be easy. never give your opponent an easy decision, and in obams case, it's a difficult decision for putin with asylum, the russian public would like to seethe u.s. shamed. at the same time, putin has to think about u.s. relations which have been decreasing, and his international overall approval so he has a tough decision here, and in this case, the only way you know if the president's bluffing or not is by folding or calling. >> we know there's round two of this whole thing, and you talked about havin the history. they met a couple of times, and it felt like thy got icier, but there was a hint there was a better relationship in the second administration or second term, what would the president

do differently? when you play poker, you hve a hat and suglasses on. wear hat and sunglasses next time in >> oh, i'm not sure if he should wear a ha and sunglasses, but it'sa little bit tricky. obama's going up against a very, very strong leaers. i don't knowthat putin is pushed around he has a lot to consider in the situation, a lot at stake, but at the same time, he could go one way other the other. i don't know that obama has leverage. they have a tense relationship. th could say, well, who cares about the relationship with the u.s., i'm giving asylum to snowden, so i don't know if there's enough on the line t really push him around in the situation. >> before i let you go. how are you? winng big pots lately? what's beginning on withou? >> i've been doing really well, i don't have any tough decisions as to whether or not to give potentially one of the biggest whistle blowers in history sylum or not in my ountry, so as long as i don't have difficult decsions like that

and just deide whether to go l in or not, then my life's good. >> all right, tiffany. by the way, next time they are together, study the tape because we'll go oer it one more time. all right. see you soon. hey, guys, this speech in europe, how the heatwave could put the entire economy on ice. and then the outrage ove the outrage. wait until you hear who is defending this rolling stones cover. ♪

>> well, if the weather's hot, wait until you see howenergy allet. let's talk with keith fitzgerald. in the heat wave, people wave good-bye to the money because power outag sweep the country, rising bills cost hundreds of bucks more each much.

gary, you say this is green energy's time to shine. >> exactly. i mean, you look at your bill, and you would think an entrepreneur says, hey, this is the time for the home windmills or solar panels to work, and this gts to my point why i think the green energy thing is smoke and mirroors because now s the time to take advantage of the high price electricity and come in with less expensie green energy, and, yet, i don' see the entrepreneurs knocking at the door. >> what do you think it is, keith, the technology's not there or not enough government subsidies? oh, an interesting question because, you know, the idea that the government can spend money betterthan a private entrepreneur is preposterous as the concept of central intelligence or the nsa lately. this costs america $300 billion a year, districted generation, solar power, alternative fuels, we have a network built and designed in 1890 that''s used in 2013. the problem is it s all

reaction, not proactive distribution. >> all right, guys, i got to tell yo the solar stocks doing well this year for other reasons. talkinabout the heat. the hat's not hurting everyone. whirlpool selling air conditioner and everything else. its profits jmped 75% last quarter. this summer looks like americans are buying a gold-oldfashioned home goods, but not the technology cool stuff anymore. >> well, that's an interesting point, and yet whirlpool's strategy is paying off, going up market, sells high premium items. i worry about how much is funded by debt, the consumer, and implicitly buyer or the government with trick-down economics. if tat crater, they are at risk. >> right now, street loved th earnings, and, by the way, i think it's also reflection of the world, gary, wanting our stuff. people in latin america love whirlpool, asia loves

whipool's stuff. in a way, it's kmp prelim ri as well. >> right. it is, charles, but, you know, the bulk of the activity is still in north america, and it gets to my premise tht ve had for years now that as the population ages, people like you andi, and you are younger than me, granted, you want to stay home more. think people are tired of going to restaurants and traveling on fancy vacations and buying fancy cars so this whole idea of cacooning, in vogue twenty years is coming to fruition. translaton? people want o upgrade their homes with better appliances, better, you now, air-conditioning systems. that feeds into whirlpool's position and kind of as opposed to what keith's saying, whirlpool is in a sweet spot and will be regardless of what happens to the economy and the doll and all that stuff for the next few years. >> it is iteresting. people who are pedestrian watchers of the stock market,

they graff state to the cool hip stuff. what's apple doing? what's google doing? today, microsoft and google got waxed, and it's the old-school businesses around for p200 years doing bell -- well. >> it's real as weage so the con cement of this purchasing is a solid -- >> i'm not that old. >>o ahead. [laughter] >> there's a lot to like thre, and i fear the debt phenomena that we have not finished, and i worry about the fact that earnings jumped 75% because it's unusual. i take it, don't get me wrong, but it's unusual that it causes me tothink twice. >> i ear ya. you know, talking about thinking twice, china, they are not great, but neither are we. china facing a big slow down,

and now a lot of american companies say that they are rt becse of that, gary, are we relng on american companies, maybe the american government too much on china? well, you know, we might be, charles, but go back about 20-30 # years, take out china, substitute japan, and remember we had at home, my osh, japan is taking over, somuch smarter and growing so much fasr. japan's growth in the 60s was 10%, dropped to 7.5%, 4.5%, and you don't hea much about japan being this feared rival of the u.s.. i think that's the way china's going to go. in fact, they might accelerate because they are not nearly as democratic as japan has been and is now. >> everyone talking about the demise of china, and in some ways, they are acting more responsible than we have, and they sloid down the economy,

made bank lender tougher, and it seems like we're pushing the gas pedal, they pushback, it could bemore responsible. >> here's the thing, charles, they bet on china's failure, but bet on their success. the reason is china imports 96 cents on every dollar they export. they shift to method consumptions. american companies link to commodities, big projects that fail or seediminished revenue. they are linked to brands like whirlpool likely to grow because that's what is growing china, the internal domestic consumppion is real, and slow or not, 7.5% versus a percent here, really? the economic center of gravity is there, not here, and it will be for decades. >> i'm -- no offense to the crowd,but i'm leaning towrds keith on tis one. hey, guys, you are absolutely fan tas pick. have a great weekend, and we'll

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>> the "new york times" sinks to a new low publishing an article defending rolling stone's cover calling the hysteria about the accused boston bomber heat wave indeuced saying the mayor hype ventilated about the whole thing, and mike huckabee is outraged. governor, i just -- i guess, you know, like minds think a like, but it's hard to believe no one, everyone is offended by the

cover. >> what's offensive is of all the picture they chose, they chose a self-styled pprtrait that the guy made where he looks sort of like a young jim morrisson or think of him in a mug shot or the red dot on the head is more appropriate. their just dpi cation says, well, it's amonster, and a picture is worth a thousand a words. >> a picure is worth a thousand words, but companies, drugstores, right-aid, cvs, k-mart, all the companies said they were not oing to push it, display this magazine or sell this particular issue. should there be more of anout cry, it's just thumbing its nose at thanks americans stand for and, of course, the ictims. >> i usually don't get excited

when they pull it, but are you sure this is who you want on the cover? the better course is not to boy the issue. unfortunately, i'm afraid a lot of people go by it because of the publicityit's had. that's the most unfortunate outcome of all. >> "new york times" coming to sort of say to anyonehat thinks this is in poor taste, anyone offended by this, maybe it was the heat, maybe ou are hype ventilating. how upset does that makeou? >> given the source that it's the "new rk times" -- >> it is, but even feels like they have gone to a new low on this one. >> i don't think they are winning any friends, not tha they had a lot other than on the far left, but this is not the way you endear yourself, certainly not to the people of boston. people around the country who saw what happened in boston realized that it was an outrageous agent of terrorism, and there's nothing glamour rows about the hideous people who did this. maybe instea of his picture,

they should have put the picture of some of the victims and say a monsr did this to some totally innocent bystanders watching one of the greatest events in american sports >> maybe then i would have gone to buy it. also, what about the idea the celebrity teatment might encourage others? there's got to be disturbed kids in the country, people who, listen, he came to the country, the family came to the country, america treated them well, giving them welfare, a great education, friends here, and america rolled out the red carpet of treatment to the guy, and, still, he was a home grown terrorist. at least tht's the accusation >> does tis push him over? >> absolutely, especially sick peoplewhoare nobodies. they want to be somebodies. when the sooting happened, arefused on television and the radio show to ever mention the name of the shooter, never mention them. i called them the shooterment i

don't think you want to publicize and give the people a platform. that's what they look for to see the name, their face, somehow in the bi lights, and i think that's a terrible thinto do encouraging other loss to think, mayb for a moment, everybody will know who i am. >> what do you think this goes from here? maybe the best case scenio's that we report on it mor and that we not only ot mention the bomber's name or the magazine's name anymore. >> the ultimate punishment for rolling stone is people stop buying it. >> i think that's probably a big problem for them anyway. the magazine itself has been in decline for a long time. a lo of people say it began in 1980, ronald reagan, missed the mtv generation, missed rap, down ill ad, and, and it's a hec of a hail mmry, tey threw a bomb either to blow up in their faces or i don't know why they thought

this would be the thing that would help. >> it was a foolish decision, and unfortunately, it's very offensive, not just to the people in boston, the victims, but to every decent-minded american, and i'm proud of the cop. i know what he did broke the rules, and he's in trouble for it and probably loses his job, but i like it wen the irish temper, shawn murphy, got to love him, that irish temper says to heck with this add publishes the photos of ecreep, and that's more appropriate. god bless him. >> god pleases him. say his name a million times. >> haun murphy, you're a hero. there you go. >> you are too. >> thanks, charles. >> the government is listening to your calls, reading your e-mails, and tracking what you eat. get ready to lose your appetite. get ready to lose your appetite. at a dry cleaner, get ready to lose your appetite. we replaced people with a machine.

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you eat. the government's shelling outs nearly $150,000 on a study aimed at forcing peole to eat healthy. ow, it's providing gps devices that keetabs on people's day-to-day shopping hbits. this is a wase of time and money, and ron and adam here with us asell. monica, it almost per postrows, but all the stuff in the news these days, it's not rd to believe. >> i'm not against collecting informatn if it helps the government agencies be more efficient, carry out their missions, and spend less money in the pcess, but i don't understand what we're going to glean from this study in particular. they are giving gps devices to people who elect to be part of the study to see where they eat and, you know, in general, this is targeting ffst food establishment, and i think the conclusions should be fairly straightforward using common sense. peopleat where it's convenient. why do we need a study for this? >> well, ron, why do you think we need a study for this?

something nefarious going on here? >> it's not nefarious, but i think it's enough is enough. the government's trying to regulate what we eat, what size toilets to have, the type of lights we have, reading our e-mails, seizing our phone records, and at some point, it breaks down the ethos of american freedom, and people, especially young people are saying enough is enough, we h it the the government has to stay within the proper roles, and, frankly, where's the study on government obesity? gao, the government's auditor, found $300 billion, with a "b" in waste last year alone, and where's the study on that on how to cut that? >> adam, a funny feling, they'll sayyou know people go to restaurants, supermarkets, and sometimes they eat a hot dog at the hot dog stand. worth the time, effort, and money? >> wel i'm glad that monica sort of explained what this iis, a small academic study aimed at gathering informaion, not this police state thing tat you and

ron want to make it out to be. there's nothing wrongwith academic studying these things because, charles, i understand and don't disagree with your point, people want eat here it's convenient. we also know that people don't always eat as well as they could be, and fast food, if you ate there too frequently can, can -- i don't want to get his tear kl here, but can be bad for your health. >> adam,here's the thing, i know what's going to happen. i know they aregoing to get the results of the study, and they are going to use it as he war against the use of fast food restaurants, against the notion of foods, and push an agenda that is against personal freedoms, and that's why i'm worried about it, and we need to be hysterical. >> that's uncharitable to the academics and infringes on their ademi freedoms by suggesting that you -- >> if you donate your own money, fine, but don't say the

taxpayers should do it. if you believe in the study, donate your own $50 milli. don't take mine. >> the fda should be the agency that's responsible for looking into the chemicals that we put into food and th fact we use corn to be a major sweetener in our foods, and that's compounding this obesity program. whynot focus on that? >> theare. why do you think these studies exist? i mean, really, what's the real obviousive here? >> well, i'm not going to fall into this baited question. >>i just wan your opinio >> i will. >>well, i think to a certain extent, studies an add value to these agencies. i just don't see the sense in this one, and i think we have a history of throwing money behind fairly aimless -- >> like shrimp on a treadmill. adam, why are we oing this? >> well, i hink we re having, this is a good onversation. i think ron would say we shouldn't be doing this study or any other study, and so we wouldn't have come up wth, you know, cures for cancer, the

internet, things that the government has contributed to. if yo want to go -- >> i'm not done -- >> i should pay for them rather than the united states government, fine, i think the united states government's funding certainly academic studies is a gret idea and has been true historicay for a very long time. >> not evry study adds value. that's the other side of the coin. >> of course not. >> the intnet did not come rom acadmia. hate to break it to you. >> it came from government funding for -- >> we're not -- >> let's talk about that, people. let's not talk about the internet. >> stop trying to disstraight us. the fact of the matter is this program is designed how government can regulate it. >> highly involved in the project. >> go ahead, ron. >> listen -- >> let's -- ron, back to the premisehere, though. the government is collecting data on every aspect of our lives. i'm not sure that -- >> not in this study, they're not. >> all different studies, all

combined, all te spies, snooping, collting a bunch of data on us, and it doesn't feel like it's all for good reasons. >> no, it doesn't. that's what i'm saying. i think that the american people are tired of having e civil liberties trample odd. could be small, but it's frustrating that instead of our government focusing on how to fix a great use of oppression going op now r fixing what's happening in the student lan, with the student loan bubble, they focus on this. there's huge problems facing the country that we should be studying andfigure out how to fix, but we blow money on suff like this. it's upsetting. >> we're the ones -- >> obesity is the problem. >> focusing on a hundred thusand dollar program. this is not a git effort by the united states. >> 150 milion. >> monica? >> no, no, thusands, thousands. >> one second, go ahead. >> i'm for spending money wisely. if i hae one mo, it's that, but obesity ishe problem. i want to see the government be more targeted in the way they spend mney, focus n the low

hanging ruit, and ths does not qualify. >> we have to be careful of the bait and switch. we worry about obesity and everything else. hey, by the way, great panel, great aud >>. >> tom: after all the political promises to repeal obamacare, it may not need any intervention at all. democrats are calling it a train wreck and now the unions are complaining it will ruin the 40 hour workweek, the mainstay of the middle-class. we're talking about obamacare in critical condition right here, right now. >> tom: thanks for joining us. here at the top of the stack. the fight was huge but the president won and affordable care act is the law of the land, kind of. we all know now the president has unilaterally delayed the mand