weekday from 3:00 to 6:00 eastern time. we'll have another great tv show for you next week. in the meantime, i hope you tune in to the radio. good evening everybody. thank you for being with us. president obama today talked about job creation and the economy for the 12th time since he took office back in 2009. leaving many to ask the question, why now? the president himself answered thquestion in a candid and frank manner in a speech designed to change the conversation. president obama took a clear shot at repuanwho continue to pursue the truth regarding the numerous scandals currently engulfing his administration. >> but with this endless pprade of distractions anddpolitical posturing and phony scandals,

washington has taken its eye off the ball. and i'm here to say, this needs to stop. this moment does not require short term thinking. it does not require having the same oldtale debates. >> the president talng about the scandals as phony? should president obama ask the families of the four americans killed in the benghazi terrorist attacks that their pursuit of the truth regarding how the government did or did not go to thaid of thei loved ones, could that be phony? how about fox news chief washington correspondent jes rosen and those at the associated press who had their phone records and e-mails breeched by the obama justice department. i'm gssing they don't consider their anger over the government's violation of their first amendment riights to be i any way phony. please don't forget, slain border patrol agent brian terry just because the obama ministration has. is there anything phony about

the terry family'sursuit of the truth seeking those who are responsible for the death of their son? could u imagine what would happen if the president told conservative groups, tea party activists and others targeted or audited by the internal revenue service that simply because of their political views, at their concerns are phony? and how did treasury secretary jack blue come to an absurd conclusion regarding the investigation into the irs scandal whicis nowhere near completionfter he has been at his post for all of 4 1/2 months? he told cbs new "with all of the investigations that have gone on, there's been no evidence of any politicacal decision-making in the irs." whatever that means. the statement, course, is a contradiction to testimony offered by i attorney carter hull, who implicated the irs chief counsel's office in the

tea party and conservative group targeting scandal. the office headed by an obama admistration political appointee. today's attempt at a pivot by the president ined a transparent effort to divert public attention from a scandal-plagued white house. president obama said it himself. and because such clarity from this president is s rare, it is worth hearing him say it one more time. >> but with this endless parade of distractions and political posturing and phony scandals, washington has taken its eye off the ball. i'm here to say this needs to st. this moment does not require short-term thinking. it does not reire having the same old stale debates. >> the president also today sai he has a plan to grow our middle class. but he laid out barely a hint of new policy plans to achieve

growth, all while blaming congress and his republican opponents for gridlock and obstructionism that's kept him from achieving his agenda. fox news chief white house correspondent ed henry has more on the resident's speech from galesburg, illinois. >> clocking in at 1:04, this speech was three m minutes long than president obama's state of the union. at the start of his second term. >> iwe just stand by and do nothing in the face of immense change, understand that the part of our character will be lost. >> a speech soamiliar that he could have delivered it eight years ago and in fact, he pretty much did at the same i will i location as a young senator in 2005. >> this is not us the option that i just mentioned, doing nothing. >> white house aides say the return visit to knox cllege shows reilding the middle class has aays been his central focus. though today's speech also sounded like a familiar laundry st of promises that could have

been delivered on the 2012 campaign stump. >> good job. good education for your kids, ho of your own, secure retirement. i'm going to keep focusing on health care. >> republicans said this was more about a lame duck president trying to stay relevant and the onlyly new part of the speech w the president revealing he'll give more speeches. >> americans aren't asking the question, where are the speeches, they're asking where are the jobs? >> in the latest fox news poll, the president hit a new lomong independents, just 25% of independents approve of the job he's doing, down from 31% last month. plus, over half of the public says they do not see signs the economy has returned the corner. the job level remains below 50 perz. 46% approve, 47%disapprove. the president is eager to try and turn the page on his summer stall over the irs and over over

controversies, which he dismissed toda >> or the distractions of scandals, washington has taken its eye off the ll. i'm here to say, this needs to stop. >> at one point the president said he was ready to work with ninl. at others he slammed republicans for blocking the agenda and vowed to go around them when h deemed fit. >> i will not allow gridlock or inaction or willful indifference to get in our way. >> in whatides build as a major economic address, he repeated a familiar refrain. >> we're not there yet. we've got more work to do. >> drawing scorn from his rivals. >> if a hollow shell is an easter egg wh no candy in it. >> the president also boasted that he had saved the american auto industry and those car companies are having pretty strong sales right now. but he did not mention that in the last week, detroit filed for bankruptcy anyway. >> lou? >> ed, thank you very much. ed henry, fox news chief white house corresponden in the wake of ooama's

latest pivot on the ecomy and by the way, it is his 1th such pivot since he became president, and now the looming budget battle ahead, our first guest tonight supports calls for blocking the continuing resolution that would fund t government beyond september 30th if it includes funding of obama care. joining us now is congressman steve stockman, a member of t house committee on foreign affairs. ngressman, good to have you with us. let me first get your reaction to the president's speech which had been styled as an importan speech, a major speech by the white house. >> well, this is the second time, lou, that the president tried to change topics. the first time, remember, he went to africa and as the white house press corps was when he isssed a retraction of his health care. he gave a break to big business anwhat we want to do in the house is give a break to really the average folks. so he keeps c changing the topi

because the topics that the american people are interested in, jobs and what happened to our four slain members of government in benghazi, he didn't want to talk about that. he wantedo talk abo blaming republicans and pretend he doesn't live in the white hous >> you have petitiooed successfully over a thousand veteraf special operations to look for, to establish a select committee to investigate bengzi. where does thatstand? when will ere be movement in the house to call for exactly that, at is a selelect committee to investigate? >> lou, we have introduced or going to introduce a discharge petition to allow frank wolf's bill for independent investigatiolong overdue. we'rcoming up on the one-year anniversary. we nd some answers. we can't say what hillary said which it doesn't really matter. it does matter.

if we don't want to repeat these mistakes in which our folks were murdered and killed we need to t to the bottom of this scandal and, apparently, i believe there's so much smoke, there must be fire. because the administration sure is doing a lot to block. twice ourearings were canceled. from what i heard, it was witness intimidation telling them not to go testify. ts a real concern to me that there's a lot more there that needs to be answered. >> and we have just received word that the which you co-sponsored and supported has just been voted down byythe house by a margin of 217-20 that happening within the last minute. this billas one that would affect tifl roll back the effectivess of the national security agency and opposed by the leadership of the publican party. why did you choose to support

it >> i just came back from that vote. here's one of the things we had. we have a young man already being prosecuted, was in the army, stealing data. we have another one that's fleeing to russia that stole data. and my concern is not just with this collection of data. but who can access it. what's disappointing is the nsa never looked at the other case and said hey, we need to change our policy. what happened to the military could happen to us. they didn't change any polies. i pointed this out. this data, while you may wt to safeguard it, easily a third world or some other country can accessit and it would be left to really our administration to protect our data. i don't think we should be collecting it because other people may have easy access to it. it'slready been demonstrated twice within the lastyear. >> the idea that you would not pant nsato collect intelligence, data, information to protect its -- the security of data that's not collected

seems to me to be a bit of a stretch if i may say, congressman. this would impair one of the most iortant intelligence agencies in the country from doing its job and by the way, the congress of the united states, the senate of the united states has checked off on each one of these programs that's been at issue because of the snowden leaks, our congress has been giv an opportunity to raise objection and to approve each of those programs. >> you're right. that's what we're doing again. we're looking at the program. i have a difference of opinion, so do some of the authors, eve the man who helped write the bill said it's gone too far. the post articulated correctly, this is a violation of 4th amendment. it's searcng for records and things that haven't really been processed under due process. the endment simply stated that it should be targeting those

which they're investigating, which they could do easily. >> congressman, it's always good po talk with you. we appreciate it very much. congressman steve stock man. thank you sir. >> thank you. president obama and secretary of state keery pushing the peace process forwd. fox news middle east and terrorism expert, dr.a lien fair is on whether peace between the palestinians and israelis is actually possible.

the white house is cautiously optimistic over the possibilities of an agreemt between the israelis and pal stainians to resume peace talks that could come next week. joining me now to discuss the region, the obama for en policy

and likelihood of success, analt dr. walid phares. it's good have you with us. your thoughts, it appears that the israelis and the palestinians are genuinely interested in talks. >> they may be. both of them. buit's the authority, not hamas, the government. the issue is how far will the u.s. efforts go in terms of putting pressure on the regional players. lou, what stopped this peace process from winning in the last four, five, six years is the fact that iran through hamas, hezbollah, through syria would do the necessa things to stop the press. now there is an opening. that opening is as follows. there's a civil war in syria. hezbollah is very busy i syria and with the european decision to consider them as a terrorist and egypt is in the middle of political chaos.

now the ideal moment for the ministration to really comee and strong perspective to put them together. whether they do that, i don't know. >> netanyahu already, it seems to me, an anticatory move, that includes some possibility of ccess. netanyahu saying he wants a public referendum before signing any peace deal and has already set motion what is required to create the structure of that public referendum in rael. your thoughts? >> well, i think this would be a good move because it will tell the world and tell the arabs and the palestinians that netanyahu, his government, his country are serious about the matter. they're going to have the referendum. it's not just the majority. on the other hand, the real challenge is not going to be israel. israel has lready parliament has democratic institutions. it's going to be on the palestinian side. namely, mr. abbas, mahmoud

abbas. he will have to make a quick and shar decision. he may do it. but we don't know yet. to strike that deal with israelis and americans and make surethat hamass from the process. dr. wad phares, we thank you for being with us, as always. up next, we'll go to the chalkboard to show you whether or not president obama is still relevant or is he already a lame duck? that's next. stay with us. any last requests mr. baldwin? do you mind grabbing my phone and opening the capital one purchase eraser? i need to redeem some venture milebefore my demise. okay. it's easy to erase any recent travel expense i want. just pick that flight right there. mmm hmmm. give it a few taps, and...it's taken care of. this is pretty easy, and i see it works on hotels too. you bet. now if you like that, press the red button on top. ♪ how did he not see that coming?

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teur-pedic. >>e president today trying his very best to take some of his old economic ideas and repackage them and deliver them the american people in a shiny new package. well, what effect will it all have? certainly, speeches won't help the 22 million americans who are unemployed, underemployed or who have giien up looking for work. it won't help them find a job. that's what really cous. speeches certainly won't get legislation through congss. some critics say the campaign style tour of the midwest with

his battered agenda in tow is a sure sign that he is in fact a lame duck. so we thought we'd take a look at that question and assess it. is president obama relevant or is he a lame duck? first, let's take a look at the president's foreign policy. there's a glimmer of hope th secretaryyof state john kerry will be able to restart middle east peace talks. a real possibility. but that'sot a probability. there's still no date for talks. the odds of scess are long, to say the least. but we will say the administration is still relevant here. so let's take -- let's move this to the side of relevant. certainly relevant. on the other hand, the administration has managed to add to the chaos in lib,in egypt, syria and we've got to put even within the prospects of the middle east, this process, we've got to put libya here. i think an indication he's a

lame duck. egypt as well. syria. this isn't going too well and the fact of the matter is that isn't helping them as we speak tonight. congress and the white house needs to raise the nation's borrowing mit over the next six months to avoid a default and downgrade. the president is already making noises he needs to make a deal with republicans so is he still relevant when it comes to the debt ceiling? well, it's an interesting question. because the debt ceiling issue is a little ambiguous. talk of the president's lame duck status ramped up in april, when it's bush for gun control and it failed. so the debt ceiling, we'll put this over here. i think it still makes him relevant. the push for gun control failed,

so gun control, tis isn't helping the present in his persistence isn't helping him. gun control is definitely a lame duck. immiation reform, the legislation is still alive but not in the form he envisioned. the llgislation is dead on arrival at the house. i thk an intelligent approach to immigration reform, they're doing it incrementally, focusing on security and making certain that there i a path to legalization. it is one that puts those illegal immigrants behind those who have followed the lawful procesand does not create some sort of expedited path to citizenship. most political analysts say the reason it's still kicking is because the president chosen not to meddle in the process. immigration,ithout a question, he's a lame duck. next up, the sequester. the sequester that he continues

to comain about, agaii, today he criticized sequester, calng it a meat cleaver that's cost jo and harmed growth. now, here'ss a problem. it was his administration's idea, it was his white house's idea. and he hasn't engaged house republicans onhe issue, nor has he persuaded anyone. he's also, by the way, the president who signed it into effect. on the issue of sequester, he's behaving exactly like a lame duck. finally, there is, of course, the big issue. obama care. a new fox news poll out today shows 53 want this law repealed. but the white house says all obama care needs is a good public relations blitz by the president. until they stop thinking like that and start thinking about how to fix it and to implement it intelligently, effectively,

if it could be, obama care will only serve to make the preside a lame duck. the final count, two issues. two issues for the president is relevant. seven where he is for that question a lame duck. i'd say this president is in trouble. what do you think? president obama injecting his peonal views squarely into the trayvon martin/george zimmerman debate. not all democrats are too happy about it. juan williams jay mu green offer their unique perspective next. at a dry cleaner, we replaced people with a machine. what? customers didn't like it. so why do banks do it? hello? hello?! if your bank doesn't let you talk to a al person 24/7, you need an ally. hello?

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before today's latest pivot, the obama administration was laser focused on the results of the george zimmerman murder trial and the implicationn of race, justice, gun control. they weren't alone. but today the american civil liberties union made a stunning

pivot of its own originally saying the trial cast doubt on whethe the legal system truly provides equal protection of the la to everyone regardless of race. also asking the justice department to investigate the shooting as a hate crime and prosecute. they've since issued this statement. "the aclu believes the double jeopardy clause of the constitution protects someone from being prosecuted in another court for charges arising from the same transaction. the jury found zimmerman not guilty and that should be the end of the criminal case." i will point out that that is precisely what i said at the time. joining us is former adviser to hillary clinton, fox news contributor, jehmu greene. and hill.com analyst, juan williams. anks both for being here. jehmu, let's start with the aclu pivot. are you surprised? >> i'm not surprised. we've actually see them go through the same situation years

ago with the rney king trial. but ihink just to be clear, their pivot was on the double jeopardy part of tir original statement and not from calling on the federal government to really look at racial and ethnic disparities in our criminal justice system. i think that is something that they'rstill -- >> to be clear, whati said was that the pivot was on the issue of double jeopaady and it was awful decent of the aclu to make reference to the constitution of the united states, which one would have thought they would have refenced the outset. >> i think they got caught up in the passion of it all. >> they're not paid to get caught up in passion and neither are others who assume the mantle of national leadership. i mean, find it extraordinary that w watching an administration, the aclu and others who decided to race bait and use racial division to distract the country, in my

judgment, from the issues at hand. juan williams, the president himself pivoted, making not that the prosecution had basically ben assured, certainly implied by his attorney general, would not likely be occuing either. >> right. well, i think what you get here is a situation where the adnistration wanted to fos all of the energies, all of the upset over the verdict away from the possibility of a second prosecution. because i don't think -- i mean, just talking to peoplwho work for justice, people who still work for the justice department here in d.c., they don't see that there's a strong case to be made. they've got hot lines inviting anybody with any evidence of racial intent or racial behavior by mr. zimmerman to phone it in. right now, they don't have it. so i think that what you're seeing is they're trying to move away from the possibility of any hate crime possibility -- would

move something towards the stand-your-ground law and concealed weapons are really the focus of the energies and the protestsround the country. >> you know juan, as we try to understand what this adnistration, reverend al sharpton, reverend jesse jackson and others were doing, the attorney general of the united states, i find i difficult to understand how they could have set out on this course, which is embarrassing for national leadership of any kind. secondly, the reversals which are necessary because of the tone ttat they took, the passions of the moment as you referred to it, jehmu. but jesse jackson referring to florida as an apartheid state, what in the world could e h been thinking? what is your thinking? >> well, i think there's a difference between the passion weave seen from reverend jackson and sharpton and from president obama. i would actually say that i

think president obama has come very late to this issue and the fact that he's coming to this issue en the country is so divided over a criminal case makes it all the more controversial and not effective. if he ad -- he's tried to have a national conversation about race away from a case, away from the division that we're seeing. i thi it would have been a much more productive conversation. now, reverend sharpton, reverend jackson, i think we know that they will go to extremes when it comes to the language they use around this. but they're also missing the boat when it comes to what is the biggest issues they suld be focusing on. when you have national attention like this, if get everything we want in florida and if it is, as he says, an apartheid state, ich is a bit ridiculous, if he got everything he wanted, there would be a plethora of issues facing the african-american community that we're not seeing leadership from these two gentlemen in particular.

>> juan, your thoughts? >> first, let me say, amen. there's so mmny big issues out there at you just dot see. these two especially. but in general, the civil rights leadership in my mind, standing up to. i would begin with things like family breakdown, lou. i would talk about drugs, i would talk about that whole thug life. gangster culture tt was being encouraged. again, education, gosh, education, the need for better schools, it just seems to me is so primary. but you don't see it. i difr with jehmu abo the president. i think the president had come out earlier and said anything, it would haveadded to the kind of upset around the country. i think whhe when he spoke on friday, it was after he found the hispanic media that he had done interviews with last week didn't ask him about it. he came out friday and i thought he spoke a way that was wise. he acknowledged, look, if you look at younglamen, a higher rate of involvement with

violent crime, he understands why people might be. but he says we have to have soul searching and iust thought -- i thought he struck the right -- >> i thought his words -- i'm talking about in his first administration, when he was first elected. these problems, i we only addressed them when there's a criminal case, that's where it becomes, again, so not productive. when you look at the american bar association and the recommendationsthat they made in 2004 for racial and ethnic disparities in our criminal justice system and this administration and the states haven't picked up on any of that -- >> at some point, the leaders of the black community in this country have got toassume an initiative that goes beyd victimhood, that goes beyond racial discrimination, because it has -- it ii not nonexistent,

but it has ebbed to a point that it's not the principle factor like juan williams said, wther it be education. we have jesse jackson cling for a boycott of a state that is one of the most ethnically and racially diverse states in this country. this is the kind of righteousness that we've gotto inspect a little. because it turns out, it's ignorance posing as righteousness. we need to change just as you said at the outset, the characr of the conversation about race i think we've got do it soon. because some people are getting carried away. meanwhile, we have 40% unemployment among black in tis country. 23 million people unemployed or underemployed. the fact of the matter is, we have specific issues with young blacks in this country that have to be addressed and unerstood.

and as you said, create a national conversation. juan, i'm going to give you the last word here. >> you know, i mea to my mind, a lot of what you see from jackson and sharpton is about two guys who i think are still caught up in a mold that goes back to the '50s and '60 and they've madit into your business, lou. that's my uncharitable description of those two. on other side of that fence, i understand there are lots of poor black people, poor people any color in this couny who feel they never get heard from. when sharpton or jackson, at least the media shows up. i think it's bad leadership when you don't say to people here's what you c do to help yourself here's why we ca help you in terms of education, in terms of employment, in terms of family, in terms of faith to take the steps you need to get up that ladder, upward mobility and enjoy america. you know, benefit from all that america has to offer. >> you kn, talk about whether the president -- i couldn' agree more, by the way, juan.

but talking about whether or not the president could have weighed in earlier or not atthe george zimmerman trial, i honestly believe that it wa appropriate for him to weigh in as soon as that verdict was delivered, knowing the passions that some had said were raging in parts of the country. it would have been a time for him to be the president of all the peoplend say that ts is a judicial system, while imperfect, is the foundation of our nation of laws. that a jury has spoken. anthat we accept that verdict. andwe move on. that was what i wanted to hear the president of all the people say, n tell me or anyone else that -- what smiley called weak as kool-aid a statement on race that frankly, was neither eloquent nor particularly moving. thank you very much jehmu greene, we appreciate it. juan williams, thank you. his handle is carlos danger.

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joining us now brad blakeman, former deputy assistant to president george w. bush. fox news contributor,ngela mcglowan. great to have you here. >> thank you. i want to sta with brad, if i may, with this pivot. how bad an idea is it from the president's political standpoint? >> well, i think the pivot tt he made today announcing this huge speech in the economy that

was absolutely devoid of any ideas or principleor policies that the president wants to advance this fall. all it was, was a speech in illinois before an adoring crowd of people who he supported and who will support him no matter what. the american pple aren't buying it. your fox news poll reflects that. he's lost independence completely. he's lost not onlyny middlef the road people, if you can call them that. but he also lost a good percentage of his base because lo the people who supported this president the most, any inner cities are hurting the st. the present's blame game is alive and well and it will not play well in 2013 and '14. angela, are you surprised the esident chose to do this? i mean, it looks to me somewhat peculiar to see a president at the beginning of his second term acting like he's on the campaign trail and talking exactly that way. >> no, i'm not surprised. lou. the country elected a grassroots

organizer, a greatr tore. that's about all the president speech.is give a really good and brad, you're right, from the standpoint that he's losing some of h base. when you have cornell west and tavis smiley saying that al sharpton is on the obama plantation, that's a problem. >> and as we look at what's happening in the republican party, brad, justin -- congressman justin mash, his legislation voted down by a narrow margin. he's one of the youngest, may be the youngest congressman republican and the white house says what he was doing was destructive of the nsa interests. republicans, obviously, deciding at least most of them that it was not in the national interest. what is thee deal with the republican party has a fellow

like this man running around with ts kind of nonsense. >> the republican party is in the majority in the house. yet, you'd never know it sometimes. bills come to the floor and have be pulled because the whip's vote count wasn't correct. they didn't have the support they needed. remember, we had the hastert rule unless you had a majority the majority. they couldn't even real important pieces of legislation pass the hastert test. when we have a clear and comfortable majority. look, it's a tail wagging the dog sometimes in the house. the senate has their own chlenges. we've got to get our own house in order. as you pointed out on your board, lou, we have plenty of fodder and ammunition to tell the american people why the current leadership stinks. let's get our act together. >> i don't even want to use the word fodder with you rpublicans because you have lots of fodder last year and completely blew it. >> you're watching the predent right now, angela, with the organization for action, he said he needs a little -- i love the modesty of this man. president obama telling folks

that hjust needs -- he's going to give a very good speech but he's given lots of good speeches. he said he'll need the help of his private political army. i mean, this is serious uff and the republicans have nothing, nothing that is commensurate to osa. >> you have bhner on the house floor sayi that the president's speech was like an easter egg, candy, very hollow. listen, we need leadership on both sides, lo because the bottom line is this. tte american people are suffering here. to get back to the nsa and the amendment voted down, are we throwing away the fourth amendment by giving the nsa so much control over personal information? i think that some replicans are brave enough, brad,to go against the establhment and standing for ourrights. >> what are you talking about? angela, the establishment is google. it's microsoft. it's facebook. they're gathering more information, personal

information, private as are the health care companies. my lord, nsa is trying to keep up with ese slick son of a guns. >> what we need to do is revisit all privacy laws, lou. they should not have access to our information. i'm for protecting our homeland by any means nessary. but we're innocent people and they're getting our information. >> you're sounding like you weren't including brad and in that innocent people. angela, thanks for being with us, brad blakeman, thank you. we take a look at how a piece of work written almost two decades ago accurateredicted what is today's society. the award winning novelist of voltaires bass tards, john ralston saul. he's a heck of a prognosticator, too. too. next.

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my next guest says that reason is at the root of our problems today. joining me now award winning novelist, the president of pen international john ralston saul. author intellectual. author of the reissued novel, "voltaires basrds." we recommend it highly. it's a blliant work and it's great to see you. >> the idea of bringing this ok out and reissuing it today, i think it's a superb idea. what made you do it? >> well, it felt, 20 years, it's still in print all over the world in all these languages. i thought, let's put a forward on it, sort of i told you so, if you'll forgive me for putting it that way. but i thought just it's interesting, for example, there's a chapter in there on

death and money. i thought, i'll have to rewrite this. it's about how the west made a mess of africa in the '90s by following certain moral issues of death. i didn't change a word. it's exactly what the same people, i mean two generations on are doing to ourselves with death. >> there are people watching and listening to us rig now, is john ralston saul crazy? this is reason in washington, d.c. these people are being reasonable? >> they don't go together, right? i mean, this idea of rationality, which what it did is it separated one human quality, being rational, from ethics, common sense, intuition, imagination. think about capitalism or a good government. a lot of it is about imagination, business not rational. ethics isn't rational. >> we've got schools filled with brilliant economists using the

most advanced arithmetic to come up with an idea of what an economy is going to do, yet, at the same time every time there's a lull in that economy, there's any kind of dee tracks, they talk about animal spirits,e've got to get them back. it is throughout r society. issue, as you correctly point out, what do we do about itall? >> i think we have to break away from, fir of all, frankly, the business schools and the government schools because that's creating this sort of manarial atmosphere. you replace leadership with mamanaging things. managing things, most of our businesses are run by managers. they'rnot capitalists. most of our government is run by managers. they're not democrats. it's not to do with right wing, left wing. it's not -- frankly, they're both glty of this. they don't get the idea that business is about risk and creaaivity and imaginatn. it's not about buying companies that already exist and in getting them in order to get them.

and government isn't -- you have to have good administration. you have to handle the flood when there's a flood and that sort of stuff. but actually, it's ou leadership. and it's about imagination. it's about education. it's about memory. it's about rememberinghat when you have a debt crisis, what happens last time, what happened in africa. what happens over the last 2,000, 500 years? what you get too far in debt, the last thing do you is tie it will destroy you.. just to take a single example. >> and faith, religion? >> well, you have to find the right role for it. i mean, this may not be a positive thing to say. everybody has some kind of faith. everybody does. even the ones who say they don't believe in god. but do you bring it right into the public place or do you use it to inform the way you come into a public place, where you have to sit down with people that don't believe the same things you do. how do we all live together,

protestants, catholics, nonbelievers. knowing we all have faith,how do we all live together? >> human is particularly, i suppose would be one answer and the second, living our faith. >> living our faith and human is particularly is right with all these different qualities. >> it's fascinating, the people that we have who are cfos who become ceos. it's one of the big problems at american -- a lot of people watching will be very upset. when we send chief financial lose a lot of that imagination, a lot of the creativity that defines american business. it is managing and sometimes brilliantly so, but it is not leading. it does not provide leadership at tes we ne it. >> you were saying before iame on, how do we gethis economy going? well, you can't have grth that doesn't produce jobs. >> right. >> so you have to do it and i believe this whole thing of more

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