so i think we're well-prepared. >> all right. that's reassuring. we thank you for being here to reassure us. dr. lika guhathakurta.potentialn all agree on that. thank you so much. have a great night. >> ♪ ♪ anything you can do, i can do better ♪ ♪ john: women get paid less than men. should government force this to change? the government trying to force equality and even in sports. >> one of 10 games the school is cutting. >> are there differences between boys and girls? the battle of the sexes. that is our show tonight. ♪

♪ double and now t is im for john stossel. [laughter] ♪ ♪ john: men do get paid more than women. significantly more. americans on average, for every buck a man makes, won earn 77 cents. but there's one thing that every job has in common. dudes gepaid more for doing it. i have a daughter, i want her to be paid what she's worth. i wonder, do we do the same jobs? are women really discriminated against? tonight we separat our studio audience. as they came in we asked the

people to anonymously write down how much money they earn. then we average the salaries. for the women, he average turned out to be 66,000. for the men, 79,000. but that means for every dollar that the men make, the women only made 83 cents. that is more than the national average of 77 cents. the differen off. >> president obama knows the omen being paid 77 cents on the doar for doing the same work as men is not just unfair, but it hurts families in mecca time to close that gap. john: a dollar versus 77 cents. what a horrible discrimination. says the author of "cult of power: sex discrimination in corporate america", mark the

>> a good portion is absolute because of discrimination. john: why would the employer discriminate? >> some of them don't pay enough attention and so ey don't realize that maybe frontline management is making decisions that are not in the best interest of women. some of them to think that they can get away with it. that goes back to the early 20th century when people pay women less because they were women and said so out loud. john: you are saying that this is still going on oday? >> i'm saying that we still live in this legacy. absolutely. otherwise school cafeteria workers and school custodians, why would those not be paid the

same becau they are the same skill level and entry-level type of job. and yes, they make more because they are predominantly male. in the cafeteria ladies are predomintly female and the job pays less. the same is true with parole officers and social workers. essentially the same kind of work, but parole officers make more money because they are predominantly male. john: here is a picture of this man who was a young hippie who join feminists protesting. he was even on the board of the national organizatiofor women. but then he got deeper into the data and changed his mind. he wrote why men earn more, the startling pay gap and what women can do about it. did you decide it's not

discrimination? >> the pay ap is n about men and women but about mothers and fathers. there are so many work life choices at men and women made. many of these lead to men earning more and can lead them to havina more balanced life, which usually ends up being a happier life. >> he said women are smarter than men. john: because the man is more willing to travel, sacrifice his family life for work, and woen are more grounded and well-rounded? >> these people pay for what they need. and they are likely to pay more given the amount of education they had, working extra weekends. >> would you say about that? >> i think the data is bogus. everyone agrees that even in the

male-dominated jobs like nursing and teaching, men make more. i read a study by the american bar association. there is a huge gender pay gap. >> it helps to knowthat anesthetists earn money each year. if you are a nurse, you earn much less than not. let's teach our daughters how they can outearn men. >> saying that they foolishly choose our history not knowing? >> well, ifthey are taught only about discrrmination or how likely they are to get a job, and they only care about the film and, we have to keep these

trade-offs. when you do studies of business owners who have mbas make only 49% of what other make te women say that they want flexibility and i want to be my own boss, i want to be close to home. john: womeare smarter and make better life choices. >> well, mr. ferro has said that motherhood is punished due to the choice that women make. well, he has a point. but he didn't tell us the othe half. that is bein a father and being married actually help man in the workplace. it punishes women. we have a lot of data that shows that the employer looks at the women even if she's not married yet and thinks of her as a

potential mother. so maybe i better not hire her, maybe i better not pay quite as much. i certainly don't want to promote her because she might get pregnant and drop out of the workforce. john: is the employer supposed worry about that? >> that is because the cuture in our society punishes women for being mothers. there is no organize childcare, for xample. >> women start asking a different set of questions. many say, what do i one of my life? i want to make more personal time or do i want more time to have children and women are more likely to say that i want a balanced life. so they don't go to the highest level because they are not stupid. john: thank you. recently sheryl sandberg wrote a

book called lean in and she got attention for saying things like that. >> this couple of weeks ago we hosted a very senior government official and these two women who were traveling. and i kind of said to them, come sit at the table and they sat on the other se of the room. >> some were angry. but she puts the justice movement at risk, said one leftists who is upset about this and her not agreeing that women are victims of corporations. they say that this holds women back and not the way that women act. but her book did become a number-one number one bestseller. does she have a point? joest says sabrina schaeffer of the independent women's forum. >> yes, i thought that she did not initially lament the

workplace culture, she idn't but offer offor public policy prescriptions. she just talked about women that had a strong career path and here's here are several things you can do to better yoursf. john: so women ned to be told if they want to advance in the company to take a seat at the table >> the fact is that she picked u on gender differences that men and women are different in the more that we sort of recognize and accept those differences, the better we are. so she says that women don't negotiate their salaries, i w one of those women. my brother said he negotiated every salary that they had. stephen are women committed? not the women that i kno. [laughter] >> they realize that a lot of the battles have been won.

after a wild there is a big sign at we are still having this conversation. >> but there is one placee thati agree with some of the feminist on, i think that sandberg is a little bit out of touch. here's why, i think that you look at recent studies only 23% of women say that they would prefer to work full-time, let alone with a ceo way of life. most women want some kind of balance. john: to make a choice? >> all rht, thank you, sabrina. [applause] >> coming up, is it true tt women can do anything men can do >> ♪

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john: our battle of the sexes continues.

first, pulling the audience, how many of you love sports? [applause] okay, slightly more men. let's narrow it down. how many of you played a sport this month? okay, all right. you guys. i think that is typical when it comes to sport. i think men and women can be different. not all of you, but most of you. this is just common sense. but to say that is not politically correct. and it is utterly unacceptable in washington dc where politicians passed a law called title ix, which says that no person can be subjected to discrimination under any education program. that sounds good, discrimination isn't something we like and the vice president sayththat title ix changes civilization.

>>mpower women. >> okay, ell, sean is the former president of the association for girls and women. >> i would agree. >> wasn't civilization changing? >> gas. >> it has had a huge impact on our society today. >> so you were an athlete as a child. wn he wanted to play soccer, there wer overall teams. and you ended up is the only girl. >> correct. >> by college-age at penn state, there were some girls teams and i guess, there were some women's teams, but the teams that i played on, the soccer team was part of the status and we wanted to be a varsity team and get the recognition and support. at the time, peenn state do not

support women's soccer, so we filed a title ix complaint o that we would have equal opportunities. john: i would argue that people were just waking up to what women can do at the time and this could happen anywhere. if women wanted to play sports universities woulde accommodated them. >> it would've hppened very slowly. john: why would theuniversity not want to help tse women? >> to provide activities in athletics that cost money. it really foced educatial institutions to make sure that both the sons and daughters have equal opportunities. john: equal opportunity would suggest that women want to play sports just as much as men do. do these say that they do? >> i do.

>> okay, so on average. i mean, women often have other terests. the girl's talk on the men want to run around and smash into each other. on a different? >> i think that we each have unique ways. title ix really pushes th issues. whher you are a man or a woman, you should have the opportunity to purchase at. >> i keep hearing abou unhappy news and about title ix leading colleges to eliminate some men's sports teams. >> the university cut the wrestling program over title ix. >> this is one of 10 teams the school is cutting. john: indoor track is one of those dropped men's teams.

>>nfortunately, the powers that be, they have chosen to base their decision to cut these minor sports becse they are is an analyst amount of money. by cutting some of those sports, then a college or university has the money that they can support women's athletics with. >> i mean, this is -- should there be lawsuits that say you have to have equal numbers in dance and eerleading and the yearbook and more girls like to do that? >> i think that is debatable. >> vocational clubs, more women than men. cheerleading, 19% versus 8%. music programs. it is nteresting.

>> well, again, that is the debate. how do you determine interest. >> i would think the culture just changed. when i was a kid, my school was all men. we complained and princeton voluntarily mitted women. so once it was prohibited for women to smoke or go to a bar alone. >> we don't need this stupid law. >> we do, we need a lot. [laughter] >> all rig, the audience has an opinion. >> wneed a lot. we would have been waiting hundreds of years. we would've been waiting forever. >> hundreds of years? >> in caveman and caveman days if we didn't push the issue. a lot of times what hapens is a

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john: are there significant biological differences between men and women, outside of sec organs is that is. i was in college, i was taught it is unacceptable to say that. men and women are biologically

the same, and only because of sexist societies that causes boys and girls to bave differently, if we stop doing that there would be equal numbers of female race car drivers and male ballet dancers. i believed that, i did. until i hadhildren. and woke up and then did a report on abc news that got me in trouble. i said, boys and girls are not the same. >> oh. >> we treated them the same but they were so different. i don't just mean my kids, their friends took the girls were more civilized. they looked you in the eye, talked to you, they cared about your feelings, the boys -- >> bang! >> the boys wanted to go to war. >> bang, bang! >> the girls cared about playing

with each other, tking, cooperating. >> you be the princess. john: there were exceptions but the pattern was clear, no matter how sex-niche neutral we parents tried to be, tte somehow power of the female brain agrees with that. doctor, you conducted the biggest brain study ever done, and found? >> female brains were more active. in about 85% of the brain. women are really wired for leadership. if you look at the homes, and you look ating oing organizatioe churches they are the leaders, if not for this thing called children that derails their

careers, they make great ceos, women, in our studies and also i point this out in the book, they are better with things like empathy, intuition, collaboration, and self control, women go to jail 14 times less than males, what many people would n think of as a strength, which s think circumstance the -- is, they hav appropriate worry. john: this is wired? to the brain? this is not about parenting? >> it is wired into your brain. that when little boys are exposed to testest on ronnie and girls are not there is reshaping that happens early.

inside your mother's womb. john: at conception weegin as same clump of cells except for y chromosome that guys have, they make men'srains different? >> right, whether you have they chromosome or you don't, the level of testosterone you had. begins to shape your brain in a certain way. john: and changes you forever? >> well, it makes a big difference. what is interesting, if women take testosterone, that is happenin more and more, if they take too much they begin to think like a guy, they always think about sex, and have less empathy that can cause trouble. john: they ride motorcycles. i want to poll my audience here,

how many of you have a good sense of direction? more guys, i'm seeing raising their hand than women that is my experience. look at these experiments i reported on, this first one at university of rochester. students are blind folded then walked througed news the maze o. when women are asked where a college building is. they are not so sure. >> that way. john: many retain a sense of what directhey moved. >> through the next door, take a left, then a right, then a left. john: and so on, another experiment at york university, students were asked to wait in a clutter room.

when student did not know is that waiting was the experiment they were asked this -- >> tell me, every object in that room that you can remember. john: women givenswers like. >> on right side of desk briefcase with itials, and a mints and i am 40 button, and envelopes in middle. >> and women would go on, and on, and on the men would say, things like i don't know, there was some stuff. , doctor, this is a biological difference? >> no question. memory centers of the brain, deep in the brain, more active, in women than in men which is why she remembers your first kiss. and every time your mother of rude to her.

when women get an emotional memory, they have trouble letting it go. and often remember things you wish they would have forgotten. john: i remember my first kiss. it reminds me of what happens to lauren summers, president of harvard he dared say maybe a reason that women don't dominate the way men do in the sciences, might be biological. he got drummed out of harvard just for saying that. >> he dbut it was -- but i think this was the wrong message. they were not perhaps as good o as competent. their brains in this particular area of the brain are just as strong. but they are bore biass to -- more biassed to relationship issues, sohey are more likely

to go into professions where they want to interact with people. john: thank you so much doctor. when we return. how young reporter john stossel was clueless in general at coed hools. >> the boys get the better deals. >> the boys like they just they loudly say what they think, and if they are wrong, they don't

john: as our battle of the sexes continue, let's focus on school. how many of you like school? i see more hands on the wom side. that was my experience. i hated school.

when my kids were born, the message washat school is unfair to girls. that parents should consider all girls schools because boys are so loud, and dominant in classrooms. and that is what i found when i read a book to a class of first graders. >> look what happens. this boy comes from the back of the class. to make a pnt. soon there are three boys in my face. commenting on the book. the girls stay seated. >> who gets most attention in class, boys or girls? boys. john: why, boys ? >> they talk more than the girls, the girls don't get called on. too much. to class. >> ty have so much energy. they are never actual that's quiet. john: this girl had a theory to

why boys are quicker to raise their hand. >> the boys, they very loudly say what they think, if they are wrong, they don't care. >> i assume that sheas right because that happens to be m daughter that said that and prevailing theory at the time was that because of boys aggressiveness coed schools were unfair to girls who were overwhelmed by the boys. but may thngs changed today many educator say that boys get stifled in school. psychologists leonard is author of boys a drift. which argues today's schools are toxic to boys, doctor, your book said school takes boys motivation away? >> boys of 7 and 8 years of age, say i hate school, and i ask them why, they say, jason and me were throwing snowballs we got

in trouble. they said we could draw anything we want in art, and i drew a sword and get in trouble. john: in trouble for drawing a sword. >> an american public school today it is common for boys many schools have a we're zero tolere policy, not only can you not bring a plastic replica of a gun but you cannot draw one. john: to reduce violent. >> this is an assumption not based in evidenc the notion is that if you don't allow boys to draw a sword, they will become gentle fairies who want to talk about their feelings, it is not true, i was referring to disney fairies, okay as in tinkerbell. they will chew their bread into a pistol and i can give many examples of schools in u.s. where a boy has chewed his piece of bread into a shape of a pistol he gets suspended.

john: when you were in school, you won a creative writing award. >> forriting a story in which east german refugees tried to escape it west germany one got his legs blown off in a minefield and died,d, then, i visited a school, very recently where 10 grade english was to write a story about what you want, a boy wrote a story about a winter 1942, from perspective of a russian sold o -- sold or patrol, and he describ who happened. and how the head is explodes. and this boy was suspended from school. boys doing things that boys he always done. throwing snowballs. drawing pictures of a weapon, writing stories about traumatic amputation and death, they do what they have always done that gets you in trouble. that is where so many american bays say -- arican boys say

school is for girls, the boy who wrotes about combat is in trouble. when i went to high school in ohio, 30 something years ago, the kids earning honors, at the awards, the editor of newspaper and yearbook they are boys. now they are all girls, we den go to 5 50-50, we swung the othr way, when did boys decide that argue is not something that boys do. john: you grew up in a sexist girl. now it is more equal, girls took over and because they are smarter. >> no, the boys decided that being in a debate club is uncool it is aligned with the academic objectives of school, what is cool with boys is next level in call of duty, and the schools do not understand telling bys, i don't want to read the story

that you want to write, i want you to write about your feelings, write about how you file, if you were not invited to a party. what happens, boy say, instead of writing about battle iill wrote about how i would feel? they say, no i'm not goingo do, that school sucks, i'm going home and play call of duty. john: these are touchy issues, our audience would like to question you, and our other guests, then we'll confront and myths about gender. are women worst drivers are men more likely to (announcer) scottrade knows our clients trade and invest their own way. with scottrade's smart text, i can quickly

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john: we're back with your questions for my guests, leonard saks, says that boys areecheated by arican schools, shawn latta said we need government to provide equal sports for boys and girls in schools. why is no one talking about fact we have to physical standards between men and women in military, and law enforcement or fire department? are we equal or not? >> we do have different

standards that is biological. if you look at physiological differences like hormones, men have a greater capacity of muscle mass. and toe stronger. john: should men have ann@ vantage in fire departments and combat? >> the average man, but there are women who have greater strength than some men. john: why not have one test? those women with equal or greater strength they get in but we have women get to do fewer push ups, and run the mile more slowly, why that fair? >> they have other skills, that can be beneficial to fire department. john: to audience. >> in terms of business and technology. of the e innovation is still mostly from men, even though women are graduating from college in greater numbers. >> and getting master. >> what do you think f long-termffects of this on the

economy? >> you raise an interesting question, what drives innovation. steve jobs, the greatest innovate or of our generation was a college drop out, and bill gates was a college drop out, economic achievement does not correlate with innovation. >> look at where women place their efforts many get bachelors and masters in fields that are not necessarily the same as men, men choose computer science, where we see tangible results, in terms of innovation. women with english, they are going into these big tech firms, sheryl sambergs, and of ibm and microsoft hired a -- >> they are thexception. >> right but they are fluencing this. john: who has mic.

>> you said title 9 you felt was necessary beyond social changes, if not for that we would still be in stone ages. i was wondering how you explain a new sport mixed martial arts and caged fighting there are already females without about law that requires them to do that. you know how did this come about without a basics change. >> title 9 was passed in 1972, it is over 40 years now it has impacted social beliefs. and so now -- john: the law changed people's attitudes? >> it opened the doors for women to have an opportunity. >> is it still necessary. >> get rid of it. >> absolutely not, bause, even so the national women's law center estimates ast least 70%

of colleges and universities are still not in compliance with title ix . john: the boys want to play sports, if i play football i know iwill happen, if i throw it to girls, okay. john: we're out of time, thank you, leonard, shawn, and sabrina,oming up, women drivers and fe laundering men. we -- test right now, 7 years of music is being streamed. a quarter million tweeters are tweeting. and 900 million dollars are changing hands online. that's why hp built a new one that's 80% smaller. uses 89% less energy. and costs 77% less. it's called hp moonshot. and it's giving the internet the room it needs to grow.

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john: finally, a couple of myths about differences between the sexes, is true women are brad drivers -- bad drivers, what do you think? how many of you think that -- raise your hand, that women are worse drivers? so the men not the women say it. well, i say as wh all these missions there is some -- myths there is se truth this video, been watched more than a million times illustrates what i think is true. women often just are not very good at maneuvering a car. maybe about brain differences relating too depth perception. but in this parking lot, a woman trying to park again, and again,

but she just cannot get into the space. finally a man gets out of his car, switches places with her, and he is quickly able it her car. he gets back in his car. one come on the web site said, women should be in the kitchen not at the steering wheel. >> but, when it comes to bad driving, what is the best measure? paing? not really. driving without hitting things, matters more by that we men are much worse. much more likely to crash a car. this is a graph of deadly car accidents since 1975. the good news, that total has gone down. either cars are safer or most everyone driving better. or both but the clear difference between the two lines shows, that men crash cars more often. one research review put it men drive faster than women, or more likely to speed, drive dnk or run stop signs we crash twice as

often as women do. and u.s. men cause 71% of all deaths on the road. >> now. men drive more miles than women, ut when miles and driving hours are factored in we men stillet in to more accidents and hurt more people. you have to say, women are better drivers based to that. [applause] but men are more likely to be unfaithful to cheat on their partners, so, is that tru i asked audience, how many of have you cheated on your spoe or boyfriend? all right you are not going to give me an honest on answer, surveys, suggestion that men are more like likely to cheat, evon may be reason for thousands of years women queu knew her childn were more likely to survive if shehose a man to stay and help her take care of kids.

by contrast men were more likely to pass on their genes if they had sex with a lot of women and fathered a lot of kids, today we're told women want a committed relationship, and men' variety, right >> i am sorry that i did not live up to what was expected of me. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. john: are men more likely to cheat. a -- cainian institute found that men are more likely to cheat, and numbers are close, it not just a guy thing, thi is our show, more myths in my book. often what we think we know is just noto. see you next week.

♪ >> tom: we now know the initial stories about benghazi and rogue cincinnati irs agents and the closing of the 22 embassies. how do i say it -- they strain credibility. it's one thing to disagree with policy but this is different. can you trust what our government is saying right here, right now. >> tom: thanks for joining us. here at the top of the stack, about a week ago we learned of a worldwide terrorist alert that resulted in 22 embassies being closed temporarily but since then