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>> first story out of duncan, oklahoma, where young black, 15, 16-year-old teenagers used are under arrest for shooting a white young man following him, deciding to shoot him, follow ing him, killing him and now under arrest and the story is they were bored and wanted to kill somebody for fun. why isn't this a race story? why isn't somebody talking about a million baseball cap march? why is this a story about three young men who were bored and decided to kill somebody instead of following a guy and killing him because he's white. >> so, this is the first time in the history of the world we're together? >> we've been in the same hall, but you quickly jumped out. >> welcome to the form. >> so, you got four people who

talk for a living are going to try and do this together. >> we all agree. >> i don't know enough about this story. i'm trying to -- we need to know something about, was this a gang initiation thing where they were supposed to go out and kill somebody? was it that they're young and dumb and stupid? we all grew up young and dumb. >> talk about the jumping to conclusions right away. >> george zimmerman shooting trayvon martin. these kids shoot the white kid, it's not. >> you know what's really sickening? there's a high profile case where a black person is killed, conservatives have to go find that, let's find another place where black people shoot a white guy. see if we can even up the score. >> why are you denying the reality that it's what happened? >> we don't know that it's race based? >> obama's been president, racial issues have become bigger and more sensitive. you said bored.

>> a white guy kills a black person. if a black person kills a white person, it's not race. >> you said it was boredom. do you believe it's boredom? >> i don't know what it is, do you? >> we can go by what they said. the 22-year-old didn't deserve to die. he went to his girlfriend's house, said he's going to go for a run. goes to a local college and while he's on the run, he was tracked, hunted down, shot in the back. one shot, he would die. the word would get out and these three would be rounded up and at which time being asked, why did you do it? we did it for the fun. there might be somebody else who's randomly shot. >> i grew up with a kid, when he was about 16 years old, he broke into a neighbor lady's house, an old lady. stabbed her to death, 80 something times and he was, my mother from the time i was a child, said stay away from this kid. he's nuts.

well, that maybe all this is is that this is, there's two weak followers and one kid that is nuts and says let's go target this guy or it was gang related and the gang initiation. >> and you know when the trayvon martin incident happen and liberals being accused of making it racial, looks like you may be trying to make this racial. >> i'm not trying. i want to know why it isn't being regarded as racial. what makes you -- >> because i was -- >> i can say this is as well. makes the same argument. >> but he has never said it was anything to do with race and no one ever said it was anything to do with race. >> all everybody associated with that said -- the people that flooded into sanford, florida, insisted it was race. al sharpton shows up. didn't you have colonel west on

your show and i know you don't believe me, so i taped the interview. would you like to hear some of it? >> yes. >> by the power vested in me, i give it to you. >> colonel allen west. >> it's unconscionable and reprehensible and again, there is something bigger that is going on in the black community that we need people to address. how is it that we have so desensitized the young black man to violence and this gangster culture? >> how much more respect do you have the jesse jacksons of the world if they expressed the same outrage here as they did for trayvon martin? >> they'd get tons. they'd be seen as let me use all phrase, fair and balanced. they stand when they just pop up out of their holes when it's something that seemingly benefits them. they call for the protest marches and everything and further more, let's be pointed

about this. eric holder is not sending department of justice down there to help out with protests in oklahoma or anywhere and you don't hear president obama chime ng and saying that you know, chris lang would have, if i had a son, maybe chris lang would have been my son playing baseball. >> i think you were too tough on west. the fact of the matter is that obama responded to the trayvon martin thing is because he was asked a question about it and it didn't happen the next day or within 48 hour of the crime. >> who asked him after the verdict to give that -- he was asked originally about trayvon martin. >> he came back to the mike to answer it. >> that someone should ask president obama about this case, encourage him. >> no. you would ask him. >> volunteer the information, he came out with the statement. he was walking away. >> you guys are off track. always follow the dollar and al sharpton cannot raise any money

by having a rally in oklahoma for the kid from australia. >> he can raise his own personal -- >> he's got a business and it's called the racial business and it keeps him -- >> found a treadmill, i thought he got himself a treadmill. a new wife to change the old al sharpton image. this, to me, to be somebody who cares about children rather than african-americans. >> sounds like you're jealous and you want to be on msnbc. >> i have never put jealous and msnbc together, but there's always a first time. first time together, all of us and msnbc and jealous. >> i'm going to give it the you now. >> oh, thanks so much. >> president obama, phony scandals. >> you know what i don't get? conservatives are always beating up obama on everything. saying why aren't you focusing on the economy? then when he does that, they say

economy, we should be talking about these scandals. make up your mind about what you want him to talk about. >> he asks about it, ti think te nsa could be defined as a scandal. going after the privacy issue, on going after american's information and looking at e-mails. every day, it's worse than we thought. i think glenn greenwald needs to be applauded for what he has done. >> by coaxing edward snowden to go to hong kong? >> who knew he was giving up his life basically to come forward because of his conscious. >> he has no idea what he's doing. >> he had no idea he'd end up in russia. >> go to hong kong, stay in an airport for three and a half week, then go to russia where i really have some freedom. >> manning got 35 years. if i was ed snowden, i'd start taking russian language courses. >> you're not suggesting that ed snowden has come out clean on

this now that he's accepted asylum from the kgb. >> where is he going to go? >> stay in the united states and get tortured? >> tortured? water boarding? >> do you think manning was treated well? >> sure. oh, really? >> would you rather get 35 years in jail or go live in another country. >> hicks said i got a problem with the way we handle things in libya. here's my problem, here's the guilt i feel. this is what really unfolded and if you want to fire me, do it. he was a whistleblower. >> all snowden has to do is wait on obama's term. that will be fine. >> run with it. if snowden wanted to tell us what we are all grateful he told us, i mean, i am grateful. >> what did he tell us? >> i'm grateful to know that the nsa is collecting 75% of everything on the internet in

order to stash it, in order to go back to it if they can get a warrant to look. >> you thought you were safe on the internet. >> i remember the court argument very clearly. it was get a warrant on somebody, listen to their phone calls. wasn't going to collect everything all americans do. >> here's the thing. i understand the concerns and they're all legitimate. there's a solid issue, a solid reason on every angle on this issue and people who are conservatives are upset. some don't mind it. you should be mad at your lawmakers because the intelligence committees, they could get briefed on this extensively. senator widen was, i'm not happy where the nsa is going. when lawmakers were offered insight on this without compromising the quality of the program. we have compromised the quality of the program in intercepting the next ramsey bishop, the next mohammed atta in exposing how it works. >> why didn't they get major

hasan? >> when you say exposing how it works, you think any terrorist didn't know that you can't get on a cell phone -- >> excuse me, do you know what -- what do you think courier -- >> i'll answer your question. i did not know this. we have the main serers in our country. but not all. now, they know what e-mail to use ha we monitor and what doesn't and it changed instantly and so many line of communication went instantly dead. that's snowden's doing. >> i want to understand this. why is it the nsa or intelligence agencies need to collect all the internet traffic, phone records of every american in order to find tsarnaev or hasan or anybody? i don't get it at all. >> john miller at cbs made a comment, don't worry, because there's a zillion piece es of data, so you're safe in numbers.

the only problem with that is if i want to get, if i'm the president, i'm mad at alan combs. get his file and get the data. >> i need somebody's e-mail and i can find out everything on them i want to know. >> you have to believe, i'm not saying trust everybody in every situation, but if we go through life thinking no one has any integrity whatsoever, when you see keith alexander, i don't see republican or democrat. i see a guy who's liking public service, who's chief, who kept the -- >> you and i gave up our privacy a long time ago. visa knows everywhere we go. >> and with your iphone, they track it. >> visa can't come prosecute me or anything else. the government can. >> explain to me though, alan, yes, mr. gibson, why is it or brian, why is it since they had all this information and there

was tsarnaev looking online at the al-qaeda magazine about the pressure cooker bomb that somehow or another that while they're scooping up everybody's information -- >> and the fbi did a 101 with him. >> and the russians are saying look out for this guy. >> just because the government has all this information doesn't make us any safer. we're not safer because the government can spy on us. absurd. >> when you see the hits we've had in yemen, in pakistan. every terrorist that dies, we're safer. >> how much of your freedom do you want to give up? >> i'm answering your question. i'm just saying that you cannot say it doesn't make us safer in order to maximize our superiority. it's not going to help us here. our sue per yorty is in our intellectual advantages. >> everything about me, just look at my e-mail. do anything you want because i

know i'm safer that way. is that the country you want to live in? . >> there's the problem. i think there will be, when they finally break through and do a big attack and a bunch of americans are dead, all of us that are going the nsa shouldn't be doing this, they're going to go wagging their fingers at us saying see, we could have saved these lives. >> you are gathering all that stuff up, how come you didn't catch these guys? >> because you compromised the program by letting some 29-year-old idiot take his flash drive and run the hong kong and expose half of the program, how it works. >> you don't even know it was exposed. >> this is a great point. at the very least, we now, the terrorist now know and have already adjusted how we've been monitoring their calls. >> they've known that all along. >> know to the extent in which we're listening in on their various conversations. to find out who the strength is behind the european union.

>> how, when and what and that's no reason for this jerk, self-important idiot, to go ahead and -- >> but why are they scooping up your% nool data and mine and all the citizens? why us? can't they refine the program to where they are truly looking at terrorists? >> this guy lynn that's in jail, the jihad, the american jihad guy who thankfully -- johnny taliban. i don't know that he is out in california about to go al-qaeda. i don't know about the six before they happen. the guys in buffalo. >> and neither does the intelligence agency. >> we got them ahead of time. >> the most recent guys, we didn't get. >> but they were here, tracked and stopped. at least give them -- >> what i don't is why is it they need his stuff, your stuff, to find those guys. explain that? >> well, they don't.

they don't touch our stuff unless we go 1-800 ramsey, i would to blow myself up today. >> but you can go google, pressure cooker bomb and it sails right by them. >> i was clicking on links for al-qaeda people. 100% safe martial law. is that the country you want to live? >> why does michael hayden have to defend this program? why does peter king. why doesn't the president come out and say let me tell you about this program unless he doesn't know. >> edward snowden and glenn green wald's and let him know. >> we're going to take a short break here, but just a reminder, you can catch all four of our all-stars every weekday on the fox news talk radio network. we kick things off at 9:00 a.m. with brian.

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welcome back. this is the fox talk radio all-star summit. featuring john gibson, brian, tom and alan, together for the first time on the same show. so, let's rejoin the conversation for a look at obama's foreign policy. >> going to go to brian now. about president obama's successes in foreign policy.

>> can you spell egypt? >> you guys could spare with me, i'm going to read them all. just one second. >> gets a little boring. >> got it here somewhere. >> who got gadhafi? which one got bin laden? >> we doept have any successes to speak of, disasters to reflect on. the latest one is egypt. i have an idea. i'm pretending to cut off aid i've already given, so i'm going to think about doing it. wait a second, senator leahy says quietly, democrat, quietly, we've already taken a portion and denied them this. really? the white house says we have not made the decision. other democrats don't know they've made the decision. this is a little philosophical, tom. if you cut off aid and don't tell anyone, does anyone hear it? >> what the problem is what you're referring to. we're trying to play it both ways. we don't want to make anybody

mad. the problem is this is a war and we have a war, last time i checked, we have a war against radical islam. they won't say that. but that's what the war on terror is. and the muslim brotherhood is radical islam. >> foundation. >> why are we debating gee, should we support morsi and his supporters or the military. >> and all of our allies in the middle east. saudi arabia, kuwait, jordan, they said we're with the military and we're going, we really don't know who we're for. >> this is one time i'm pro coup. >> just admit it's a coup. >> i was under the impression we were pro democracy and wanted to give people the right to vote. >> do you really want the muslim brotherhood -- >> wait a minute. either we support democracy or we don't. either we support people of a particular country. >> it isn't the kind of democracy you're used to. >> they threw out the

constitution. it took us 200 years. >> adolf hitler was elected democratical democratically. do you want to keep him in power? >> i'm on team rand paul. we should not be involved in other countries. you know why benghazi happened? because we went into libya and there was no government, no enforcement. we're not the world's police. >> number one, you are right. evidently, i didn't have an observer. they had an election and the muslim brotherhood became one and they got together a few sects and they got 51% of the vote. so they were asked to form a government and it was so hideous, so terrible, that about 10 million people showed up in three neighbors squares and said america's not involved, syria's not involved. the military goes up to morsi and said listen to the people. convene a few meetings, show them you're listening or else

you're going to be deposed. >> yeah, we throw the instituti constitution, the economy. we're not listening to the people, so what they did, the military says we're tossing you out, locking you up and we're going to wring some security to this area. >> i'm glad to hear you like coups when there's a government you don't like. i'm pro american. this is really clear. you have to decide who's side are you on. >> i'm on the side of a particular country deciding who they want to lead if the military didn't put him in and keep him safe, they were storming the gates. when you're reading through the foreign policy or alleged foreign policy stuff of barack obama, you left out gadhafi, bin laden. >> let's work through this. we immediately know when morsi took over. they became allies with iran. do we like iran?

don't think so. we lost an ally. so now, this new military government who loves our stuff, they love our blackhawks, our tanks. they want the spare parts. our 1.4 billion is worth more than to them than the 10 billion. >> i'm being tweeted to death. >> i appreciate the democracy thing. the other comment is i'm with you on the rand paul thing about we stick our nose into a lot of country's businesses that we should not. but we can't live in a vacuum and be isolationists and pretend radical islam is in charge of egypt. >> really good on this issue by not saying phrases like radical islam and not saying we're going after a particular religion. not underscoring a particular religion as being our enemy. it's a big mistake. anymore than attacking abortion clinics.

let's move to syria. that's gone really well. another red line. you can kill each other, massacre each other and even kill the children indiscrimin t indiscriminantly, but don't use chemical weapons. they've done it twice, crossed our red line and has no interest in enforcing it or showing any credibility. if we could possibly show the same anger that he had towards mitt romney and john mccain and john boehner, towards our true enemies outside our borders, i'd be relieved. >> i don't want another war, but why did the president come out and stick his foot right in his mouth by saying if they use chemical weapons -- >> it was a mistake. >> that's what makes you a brilliant host and makes this show so interesting. bill and jim demint weighed in on the president's foreign policy four and a half years in. let's see what they had to say. >> four years ago, president obama gave a speech, his outreach to the muslim world and

now, four years later, we're closing embassies throughout the muslim world. a year ago, president obama said al-qaeda's on the run and now, we seem to be on the run. i'm not criticizing the decision to close the embassies. probably the right thing to do for the sake of trying to save american lives and others, but it's a terrible thing. just a year ago, boasting, al-qaeda's on the run and osama bin laden is dead and now, an unprecedented closure of 22. >> i'm not questioning what he's doing. i think what bill is saying is true. is our attempt to placate part of the world, reset to whether it's russia or somewhere else are clearly not working and the perception of weakness in this administration is encouraging this kind of behavior. >> they really are not working and the problem, i don't know, i look at this and you talk to the countersbel where she knows people and they say there was no reason to close 30 something embassies in madagascar of all places, where there isn't any

jihadists. >> stayed open and had another benghazi, who would be criticizing the administration? >> but you don't run. his policy is run and hide. >> and john, let me go to you on this because when you talk about our foreign policy and where we go from here, there's a lot of pressure to focus on our switch to asia, but instead when we focus on the middle east, it's the one area where it's kind of quiet. the palestinians and israelis, we are forcing them to talk to each other when we know this government hamas, we're making them talk. this is the one time in which we don't need to focus on them. >> i just remember the president before he was president saying i'm going to go open my arms to this part of the world and everything is going to be better. i'm going to go give a speech and explain to them how we understand them and we're not their enemy and none of that has worked. so, we may be, what we ought to

do is go back and not worry about whether the muslim brotherhood is unhappy. >> welcome back hosni mubarak to the scene. >> he wasn't a dictator? >> nobody believes in democracy on this show. >> we can determine what egypt should do. >> egypt's figuring that out on its own. >> condoleezza rice was here on a book tour and she said we were pushing mubarak in position to have a more representative democracy and said this cannot last for much longer, but they pushed the guy that's shown an unwaiving loyalty to america. that's something much more desirable than the unknown of could the muslim brotherhood win elections. the brotherhood could win. >> egypt is important. they've got the suez canal. i know a lot of people yelled

about oil, but we still have an addiction to oil. >> haven't we learned going back to 1953 -- >> we had the same show. different outfits. i was against hit. josh earnest weighed in on what the administration's doing in egypt, so please, josh, clarify. >> in early july, the president of the united states directed his national security team to conduct a review of the assistance and aid that we provide to egypt. this is part of a complex and broad relationship we have with the egyptians. that review that the president ordered in early july has not concluded and reports to the contrary that published reports to the contrary that suggest assistance to egypt has been cut off are not accurate. >> how long does it take to study egypt? there are archaeologists who got done quicker than the

administration's summer e gept study group. >> all right, we have to take a quick break, but there's more om of the summit just ahead including a look at how the 2016 presidential field is shaping up. we will be right back.

welcome back to the all-star summit. it is the first time ever that the four stars of our radio network have come together to debate the hot stories of the day. they are ready for more. let's get back to business. >> tom sullivan, what can you tell us about candidates? 2016? >> i'm going to file a lawsuit of discrimination against the fox radio all-star news talk, whatever we are. >> what do you mean? >> i got the crumbiest suggest

of all. i don't care about the candidates. it's too far out. it doesn't mean anything right now. >> can you trade him? >> all right. chris christie. he was out in the hamptons. >> i don't care. >> he's the one that takes the romney campaign . the same guys who gave romney all that money, he's begging money off him. >> it's ridiculous. it's summer of 2013. >> they are ready. hillary's running. >> one guy gets paid to do this for nbc. our friend, chuck todd. he says hillary is actually hurting your favorite person, alan, the president of the united states. >> the more she talks out there, the more you start seeing a pull back toward hillary. this hurts the current president of the united states as trying to b leader of the democratic party, as trying to move the party as he gets ready for a bunch of fall fights. you know, lame duck status happens in two phases.

the first is lame duck status in washington between the presidency and white house, then there's a second phase inside your own party. >> doesn't matter. because 2014 midterms -- >> i agree, this means nothing. anybody in the real world is paying attention to the 2016 president, why are we seeing what we're seeing from these people that know they're going to be candidates? why is hillary clinton doing what she does? why is christie out right now hitting up the same people -- >> it's all about -- >> have to raise so much money to run for president, you've got to do it as early as possible. >> that's why there should be if you believe financing of elections. >> the candidate. so it seems if she decided to run. doesn't that seem like the coronation may be a jinx?

>> houf nowhere comes barack obama. we don't know what's going to happen. >> there's no barack obama. anybody that can wait is hill y the money's going to flow in. not only her presence looming without talking. number one, i worry about her health. she collapsed. lost her vision. traveling, whatever she was doing. take some time. there's no rush. why do you have to give a policy speech at your reunion? >> not getting any money. it's going to go to hillary. >> there's other issues there. we've got a caller, phil, who wants to talk about the two-party primary system. >> hey, guy, my name is phil and if you ask me, the real problem with our political system is the two-party primary system. those on the far right, they want to bash christie for not being conservative enough, but forget the fact he got elected

as governor in new jersey, a deep blue state, as a republican. if you want something in 2016, christie is the guy. >> i hear this all the time. you want to win? >> it's not an ideal log thing. he won in new jersey because he's a democrat that calls himself a republican. >> he also gets the biggest rating among republicans than any other potential candidate. among republicans. >> you think in a presidential election that chris christie running as a republican is going to deliver new jersey, new york, connecticut? better thans than anybody else. >> the problem is the political parties have turned off the electorate so much that the only people that run and the only people that vote are the fringe left and right. further from the center, the more chances you're going to be a candidate. that's why congress can't get anything done, talk to each other. that's why christie, if he think get that middle crowd, they're looking for that middle moderate, whatever you want to

call him. >> they're taking the romney campaign in ordee to hold the 2016 spot open. >> you know who's going to have the problem? it's going to be raising money for the rich people. they might be the ones angry. constituency is forgotten about romney already and what christie has done, but the people with the money that supported romney that saw that opportunity go by the boards and can blame christie's embrace late in the swoon for that, those are the ones that might not. >> do you see where scott brown is thinking about running for president? >> i thought, yes, what we need is another moderate republican. >> how did that work out? >> he's also thinking of running for the governor of massachusetts, so pick your race. what are you running for? >> i know. >> he would have been back to back to back so, the governors, they were talking about him when he won the ted

kennedy seat. >> their hung er for power, ther lust for power. once they taste that and he's tasted it on a national scale, he likes that. he wants to do that again. >> we are going to take a break here, but up next, the end of summer is often the most wonderful time of the year for parents. sending the kids back to school. however, wait until you hear how the president's policies may be doing more harm than good when the fox talk all-star radio summit continues.

we're back with all-star summit. tom, kids are going back to school. what are they going to find? >> i'll tell you and alan will like this.

there is one guy on the obama cabinet i kind of like. that's arne duncan. they're going back to tougher core tests because we're not compete ng our schools internationally with people in europe and asia. so, the problem with this is i'm getting confused because supposedly, it's getting tougher and they're making sure we're more competitive, but if you don't get for example, four times three. is? 11. >> not 11. >> but let me explain to you. listen to this core curriculum educator explain why four times three equals 11 and it's okay. >> even if they said three times four was 11, if they were able to explain their reasoning and explain how they came up with their answer really in words and oral explanations and they

showed it in the picture they just got the final number wrong, we're focusing more on the hows. >> correcting them, right? >> absolutely. we want our students to compute correctly, fwu emphasis is really moving towards the explanation. >> have to have the right answer. that was key and they said that earlier before that tape picked up and you have to compete correctly. this is not you can say whatever you want, just explan it properly. you have to have the right answer. >> she's saying all you've got to do -- >> she said you have to compute correctly. >> it's important to understand your reasoning. >> what explanation could there be? >> she said you have to compete correctly. >> but we want to know why -- you're missing that part. >> how are you thinking to get 11? >> why not then understand what made them think that. >> your thought process needs

extra help. >> i'm looking at the transcription. i don't see where she says anything about correcting. >> she just said you have to compute correctly. >> this is not a republican, democratic issue where the democrats want this and tit's i the president obama's issue. i kind of like this, i'm going to adopt it. she brought it up at the democratic convention and he's urging the financing of this. jeb bush for it. conservatives in florida against it. marco rubio, against it. unions are beginning to get worried about it because they believe they're concerned about how teachers will be evaluated because they only gave them the numbers and goals. didn't give them the books or curriculum. i think it's a positive if you give my district the ability to structure by own curriculum that's going to be what i think is best for my area. >> the ultimate argument is that what we want to make sure that kids in alaska are learning the same core as the kids in

alabama. >> but then how -- people where i'm from -- i've still got to get the same 85 and the same tests you're taking in alaska. >> work so in high school, grade school high school, were taught to figure things out, but when we go to college, we're taught how to think. >> that's why you've got to explain why 4 times 3 is 26, but how did you think that through. >> in college, but in high school, you better get 12. >> isn't that just coddling a faulty thought process? >> no, you have to have the correct answer, john. >> isn't that being a little nurturing about something that's wrong to the core? >> you must have this correct answer. >> our curriculum in this country versus kids around the world they will be competing with in the future.

you can't separate it. you have to know how you got your answer. but the answer still has to be correct. >> exactly. the answer has to be correct. >> doesn't this sound like a needless detour? your answer is wrong. nothing more to say. get it right. >> why did you think the way you thought. explain to us why you thought that so we can correct you to get the right answer. >> so now, we've got half of the kids in the class didn't get the answer right, so now we're going the take up the rest of the class, you were wrong, get it right. >> it's important to understand why and how to think. it's called learning to think. learning the process to think to get to the correct answer. >> well, five states have bailed out. florida's about ready to bail out and indiana who went to a town hall, it's probably not going to be worth it. >> all right. can you guess which of us are all-star team is comfortable using a set of handcuffs?

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here once again -- >> people ask me every once in a while how did you get that job? so i thought i'd ask, how did you get that job? how did you start in radio. tom? >> mine was very mercenary. i had been with one of the big cpa firms. and i started an investment firm. so i started looking into all the expenses and said, oh, man, advertising is expensive, so i talked my way on to doing a year

end talk show on financial matters, tax planning and things like this. they said, hey, you want to stick around? our business reporter's leaving, you want to do that? i said, okay, so i did business reports for eight years, then there was this guy i worked with who got a job, he transferred from sacramento to new york called rush limbaugh. he had a two-hour national show, but had done a three-hour show locally, they threw me into the studio, said do an hour show. that's how i started. >> brian? >> same story. first thing, i was doing radio in college, so i did that and it was great the get that type of feedback and they said you want to stay on the air and do a sponsorship. so i was able to do that, then i got a job at sports phone. p precursor to all sports radio. three sports casts, three

different cities, every seven minutes for eight hours. able to give me $12,000 a year. after that, i got a job at xtla sports radio in los angeles. i was able to fill in for tony snow, able to fully join fox news talk. >> unbelievable. >> you have a much longer story line. >> that's sad. but that i have a longer story, but i started in college radio when i was about 15, 16 years old, my voice was changing, so it was pretty embarrassing, but my first full time job, i was sending out tapes to people and got a call. we'd like you to come and work at our station in providence, rhode island. >> big city. >> first job. not exactly providence, rhode island. it's new london, connecticut. it's westerly rhode island. that was my first job. >> was it good? >> it was pretty good. actually, my first job in

college radio was making $85 a week for 48 hours and i'm doing only slightly better here. >> you want me to tell that story? >> you had a great story. >> my first job in radio was, there was goes way back to the late '60s where there was something call ed the history o rock 'n' roll and i did the interviews for that, but later when i was trying to get a b job in n director at kfwb in l.a. >> big station. >> said my name's john gibson, i'd like to see the news director. no problem, come in tuesday apt 10:30. so i show up, i'm sitting in his office. he walks in, what are you doing here? i said i have an appointment. who are you? john gibson. i have an appointment with john gibson, the l.a. city council member. i said, no. you have an appointment with me. well, what do you want? i want a job. so, he gave me a job.

>> wow. that was good turn around on that conversation. >> it was not bad. >> wow. >> so, why is it that one of those among us actually knows how to put on handcuffs? >> that would be me. i worked through grad school, chased speeders and drunks at night for the washington state patrol and went to school during the daytime. >> well, that does it for the first ever fox talk all-star radio summit. great discussion, plenty to think about moving forward and here is the lineup once again if you want to catch them during the week. thank you so much for joining us. my mother made the best toffee in the world. it's delicious. so now we've turned her toffee into a business. my goal was to take an idea and make it happen. i'm janet long and i formed my toffee company through legalzoom. never really thought i would make money doing what i love. [ robert ] we created legalzoom to help people

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