good evening. thank you for being with us. the obama administration reached out and the iranian regime brushed them aside. no handshake, no photo op, no unofficial meetings on the margin. the idea brought to you by the very same president who gave syria numerous red lines and ultimatums before finally putting the decision on whether to attack syria up to a vote in congress. mr. obama has wagged his finger and issued more than just a few ultimatums at home as well. he refuses to meet with republicans. he's eager to have a photo op

with the iranians and the president today at the u.n. general assembly declared he's ready to negotiate with iran. they call for the destruction of israel. >> i do believe that if we can resolve the issue of iran's nuclear program that can serve as a major step down a long road towards a different relationship. one based on mutual interests and mutual respect. i've made it clear in letters to the supreme leader in iran and more recently to president rouhani. america prefers to resolve it peacefully. >> the iranians rebalked the president. we'll explore how far the obama

administration has gone in search of some sign of some progress, any progress with the iranians and why mr. obama continues to disappoint world leaders. also, the kenyan's government standoff finally ending. kenya's president saying his military has ashamed and defeated the al qaeda linked terrorists who are believed to be responsible for more than 70 murders. the hail of gunfire caught on video. take a look at this. >> reporter: you can probably hear the firing behind me. it's quite heavy. some of these rounds coming. we begin with president

obama's new stance on iran despite lawmakers on both sides of the political aisle. president obama direct and his secretary of state to sit downtown his iranian counter part in the highest level talks held in the united states and iran in more than 30 years. mr. obama's stated rouhani's stated desire into relations between iran and the united states and respond to direct talks on the iranian nuclear program, but so far no progress. just two hours after the statement, the iranian regime declined an offer to have a quote, unquote encounter president president obama and president rouhani. a senior obama official said it's quote, too complicated for the iranians to do at this

point. president obama, the nobel peace prize winner, left no stone unturned from syria to israel to egypt to iraq, al qaeda and drone warfare. the president pressed for peace but warned of u.s. power. he claimed the world is a safer place since he became president. outside the president's wide ranging speech the focus remained on iran. fox news, chief white house correspondent ed henry has our report. >> reporter: after days of vague statements, white house officials made clear today president obama was willing to have a handshake or informal meeting with new iranian president on the sidelines of the u.n. general assembly. >> the roadblocks may prove to be too great but i believe the diplomatic path must be tested. >> reporter: while the president would have faced more charges on

showing weakness on the world stage. late today white house officials said it was rouhani who begged off a meeting though he continued to stay all the right things. >> translator: yes to peace and no to war. >> reporter: secretary of state john kerry will meet later this week with the iranian foreign minister, the highest level of contact in 34 years. today the president urged kerry to work toward a diplomatic solution. >> i don't believe this difficult history can be overcome overnight. the suspicions run too deep. i do believe that if we can resolve the issue of iran's nuclear program that can serve as a major step down a long road towards a different relationship. >> reporter: it could be an extremely long road of drawn out talks that allow iran to stall for time according to benjamin

netanyahu. >> iran thinks that soothing words and actions will continue on its path to the bomb. >> reporter: even though netanyahu is not speaking until next tuesday, he made sure his voice was heard from israel. >> we will not be fooled by half measures that provide a smoke screen. >> reporter: the president sent conflicting signals while ins t insisting he's willing to take action in the middle east. >> we're prepared to use all elements of our power including in the middle east. >> reporter: it was the president's initial willingness to use force in syria but reluctance to follow through on it that put him on defense ahead of these meetings. it was the stick of potential force that got assad to the negotiating table to admit he has chemical weapons.

>> now there must be a strong security council resolution to verify that the assad regime is keeping its commitments and there must be consequence ifs they fail to do so. >> reporter: russia will block the threat of any force to add u.n. security council resolution raising questions to make sure that assad turns over his chemical weapons. lou. >> thank you. i'm joined by the first director of national intelligence serving under president george w. bush and five times as an ambassador. great to have you with us. >> thank you. >> your reaction today. >> i thought it was a complete statement about his policy towards the middle east and one thing that caught my attention

was it was quite specific with regard to the immediate diplomatic objectives. namely the iranian nuclear program and then also the middle east peace process between israel and the palestinian. >> the president seemed to speak of the iranian nuclear program for whatever relationship might result, if there can be an opening found and exploded by the two nations. that seems to be the most difficult issue between the two nations. your thoughts. >> it's kind of a double edged sword. on see on the one hand fast break you negotiate about the nuclear issue and you reach some kind of resolution maybe the price the president is willing to pay for that is to place less emphasis on the other objectives that we have. on the other hand there's no doubt there could be a meaningful discussion about the

nuclear issue and we'll see talks take place between secretary kerry and his iranian counter part, if they could get that moving in the right direction this would be a significant development indeed. >> benjamin netanyahu urging realism and insisting there be rationalalty not sentimentality. >> one thing i found is the president speech was rather complete. secondly, i thought in talking the about our core interest and our willingness to keep to use of force on the tashl, i thought those were strong doses of realism. >> would you say that that was the most rational outline of

u.s. interest by the president in the region since he took office? >> i thought it was very complete and comprehensible. he didn't make it complicated. he said these are the things we want and these are the core interests. in a way democracy was third place. to me it sounds like a realistic approach. >> certainly in the region and certain in the case of iran and certainly syria. going forward, you served amongst those five ambassadorships, one to the united nations. how realistic is to expect that the russians will not block in the security council for a meaningful resolution. >> if you're talking about syria, that will be a problem. we start out underestimating the

amount of time for these resolutions. even if it's moderately successful it's going to be pain staking and time consuming. >> the president's folks the all started using this word opening as they try to garner some support amongst the iranians for a sideline meeting, a meeting at the margin as i like to construct it. i'm glad it didn't happen. i don't think the ground was sufficiently well prepared. i can't imagine what benefit would come out of that other than sort of rather sensational photographs and hyper speculation about the significance of the chance encounter on the u.n. prem sis. >> going forward, will the united states and russia will able to work together constructively? >> i think a good faith effort is being made to do that. with the russians you have to stick with it.

you can't treat them as a fair weather friend. we have had experience in the past during the time of the soviet union and when you could do serious negotiation with the russians. >> this appears to be one of those times. >> it's an opportunity. >> i was being very, very careful. >> let's be careful. >> great to have you. >> thank you. democrats, republicans, conservatives, liberals, is our country ready for a third party? best selling author and conservative brad thorn joins us to tell us why he thinks conservatives should stand by the gop, next. ♪

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my nest guest supports senator cruz's speech and says real conservatives need to take back the republican party. joining me now new york times best selling author, brad thor. he's a brilliant fiction writer and conservative. it's good to have you here. you have to say senator cruz is giving it one heck of a try. he's standing at the bridge all alone, isn't he? >> he is. as a conservative it's nice to see people in the republican party doing this instead of saying let the principles fall where they may, he's saying let the chips fall where they may. this is a important moment as conservatives, we have someone along with rand paul and a handful of others that are willing to stick it to the establishment in washington, d.c. i'm very happy to see this. >> rand paul, i believe will also be coming back to speak to

give the senator some reprieve, some respite from it all. at the end of the day they are overmatched by the power of the establishment and the leadership in it will senate, aren't they? >> well, they are. we're talking a lot about defunding obama care. i would like to see conservatives defund the gop. i don't think any conservative who loves freedom and liberty should send a dime to the gop. we ought to be targeting people who with win and contribute directly to their campaign. it will get kicked back to the house and will they shut down the government. the gop are terrible story tellers that can make this case not only within the party but to the american people. we hear a lot about the shutdown

in 1996. there's a lot of revisionist history. the republicans didn't get creamed. we picked up two seats in the senate. we came out of that election with 62% of the senate. if that happened today, the democrats have got 60% of the senate. we got that kind of an increase, we'd add eight seats. let's go. let's shut it down. let's vote our principles instead of this smart politics that lose it. we get bob boyle and mitt romney. they can't win. why do we listen to the gop? >> it's great question. are you prepared for that? >> you and i have chatted about this before. if you buy a new house and you don't like the counter tops and cabinets, you don't take a wrecking ball to the whole house. you swap out the cabinets.

we can take over the party if we control the precincts. that means at the local level. conservatives need to do more than write checks. they need to get in their neighborhood. if we control the precincts, we control the party. that's who will end up in d.c. we don't have to worry about john mccain and mitch p mcconnell's screwing up the party. >> ted cruz is standing there. an outstanding senator and likely candidate for his party's nomination. who is there to guide this party, these interests that are so divergent. john mccain, lindsey graham, i don't even know what planet they're from. >> jeff lord had a great deal article and he talked about empg that everything that happened to ted

cruz, happened to ronald reagan. even once reagan got in was working against him on an issue he wanted to achieve. that's great company for people like mike lee and ted cruz. keep it up. we're behind you 100%. >> you may not realize this, the world is more stable than it was five years ago according to the president. i want to get your thoughts about the president's speech. >> eventually, people will wake up here and say enough with this. they make this stuff up out of thin air. the world is not a better place. the north koreans have restarted their program. iran is close to a bomb. i listened to you with the ambassador on before. where was the president in iran. he was mia. all he cared about was that

ousted dictator out down in honduras. took him almost two weeks before he responded to the green revolution. we lost a great opportunity in iran. >> always great to talk to you. it was an impressive accomplishment. 21 hours detailing the harmful effects of obama care. senator cruz galvanizing conservatives and much of the country. will house republicans act? congressman james langford with us next. do you mind grabbing my phone and opening the capital one purchase eraser? i need to redeem some venture miles bere my demise. okay. it's easy to erase any recent travel expense i want. just pick that flight right there. mmm hmmm. give it a few taps, and...it's taken care of. this is pretty easy, and i see it works on hotels too. you bet. now if you like that, press the red button on top. ♪ how did he not see that coming? what's in your wallet?

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my next guest is part of conversations about next steps for house republicans and the budget battle. joining us now congressman james langford. a member of the oversight committee. good to have you with us. i have to start by asking you about the other chamber. the spectacle of watching a senator speak for 21 hour, which i give him great credit for his emotional, mental, physical strength, but the purpose of the 21 hours of what used to be called speechifying in some

places was to vote against it and it resulted in 100 senators for it including senator cruz himself. what do you make of that? >> well, i'll let the senate be the senate and try to work through their process. we try to send something to the senate and say the debate needs to be there. this is extremely important to our constituents. it's not the hope and the dream of what they hoped it would become. it's the reality of what it's actually become. for me we sent what we could to the senate and we'll let the senate hash out what they can from there. >> i respect your desire to leave the senate where it is twisting in its own political winds, but the fact is senator mark warner telling my colleague, neil cavuto, today we'll have to pass this. this tops nancy pelosi's

statement. can this get anymore bizarre? >> it is. congress never ceases to amaze me by just ignoring the facts of the reality on the ground. i go back to the people i debate. it's going to do this and this. i say it's a nice hope it might do that, but this is what's really occurring. people's premiums are going in. physicians are closing down and having to merge with other hospitals. doctors going on salary rather than using their own practice. people really can't find a doctor that takes medicare and it's difficult to have medicaid. it's this constant expansion of medicaid that will solve this. you can't find a physician. it's one thing to say this will be great one day, and thest the different thing when you're trying to get care. this is not a personal fight. this is an issue of real policy issues that have to be resolved. we're trying to take this in a

rational way. >> correct and rational way. that's something one would hope the senate would em late. i see a lot of coverage about the 21 hours of speech. i see lots of coverage about government shutdown. i hear lots of half baked no ed nonsense about obama care. that is a shortage of 130,000 doctors by 2025. 90,000 doctors short by the end of this decade. premiums riding as we have reported here endlessly. it's as if this is some sort of popularity contest. some sort of political maneuver on the part of republicans because they can't get beyond their own ideological blinders.

where do we go from here? >> obama care said it would reduce cost and make sure everyo americans are covered and have better quality of care. at end of it cbo has said 31 million americans will be uncovered. after all this we still have americans uncovered. we have to come back to what's really occurring on the ground and say this does not work. it made a lot of folks nervous and now that they are seeing it, their not see nervous, they're fearful of it. we'll work through this one piece at a time. all these are major problems that you just can't ignore. >> always good to talk with you. appreciate.

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24 hours. zero heartburn. president obama turning to the clinton's again yesterday to help push obama care less than a week before the insurance exchanges are set to open. my guest now says all of this is part of the clinton plan for 2016. joining us now is ed cline. he's the author of the new york best seller, and i do mean best seller, "the amateur." >> good to be here. >> this is looking like the

hatfields and mccoys have joined forces. what's going on? >> everything you see bill clinton do today has to be seen through the prism of 2016. he understands that this is an unpopular health carr bill. >> like every other democrat doesn't give a rat. >> the base actually likes this bill. hillary will need the base when she runs for president in 2016. he has nothing to lose by saying some nice things about obama care. there's something else too. ever since the convention, the democratic convention when bill gave that fantastic speech for obama, he's been trying to put obama in his, as a chip that obama owes him things. by coming out for obama care he hopes he will get an endorsement in 2016. >> you don't think that deal is

already baked? >> no. i know it's not baked because i know the clintons think, and this i got from the clinton inner circle, they think that the story that the new york times ran about the clinton foundation, which was very critical of the foundation. >> one would think devastating. >> that it was leaked from the white house. the obama white house. >> the nefarious son of a guns. i thought they were getting along so well. there's still friction. >> there is a lot of friction. bill loves to show up obama. by selling obama care even better than obama sells it as he did at the clinton global, whatever that thing is called, clinton global initiative. he shows he's the professional and obama is still the amateur. >> is there anything that obama has done, in your judgment, lately whether in foreign policy or domestic, to dispel the

amateur standing that he's been given. >> lou people stop me on the street, literally, people who read my book and say you got it all wrong. they say he's worse than you portrayed him. he's more incompetent. this is from democrats as well as republicans. >> this president, yet his numbers, he's under water but his gallup approval ratings still stay in the mid-40s. it seems he's invulnerable below that. >> i have this feeling when the american public realizes that he wanted to shake rouhani's hand -- >> he had a whole campaign. >> and he refused to shake his hand, what a humiliation for the president of the united states. >> you know how many news organizations had lots of language about an opening with iran. be white house was feeding the

opening language to all of these reporters. there was no opening. there was no -- what was the other expression? the sideline meeting. the photo op. a discussion at the margins at the united nations. when you talk about you coin the amateur as the title for this administration, he's living up to it. >> he is. >> it's sad to watch. >> it's sad for us as americans to see our country humiliated. our country looked at as weak, and our enemies saying we can take advantage. putin who eats his lunch every day, the iranians who make fools of him. the syrian who is will now be in place forever and ever. >> the one thing, the one thing this president can say, he, to this point, is out smarted the

republicans. will we ever see that change? >> on that issue, i think we have to make a distinction between obama the politician and obama the president. on the one hand he's quite a good politician. >> he's been very good. >> very effective in sidelining the republicans. >> you would have thought given his record there was no way that just a blank line on the ballot that he would have prevailed. it's stunning stuff. >> it really is, and it's sad. >> it's always delightful to see you. thanks for being here. up next, the new pope offers different and interesting take on homosexuality and abortion, next. we went out and asked people a simple question:

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the catholic church needs to find a new balance on issues like gay marriage and abortion or he says it may fall like a house of cards. joining us now fox news religion contributor. what is this pope doing? >> that's a good start. i love it. >> the pope saying, quote, the church sometimes has locked itself up in small things. in small minded rules. the most important thing is the first proclamation. jesus christ has saved you and the ministers of the church must be ministers above all. that is so eloquent and powerful. where is he going? >> it is. it lends itself to misinterpretation. he said the church should not insist only on these issues like

gay marriage and abortion, et cetera. he knows it lends itself to misinterpretation and he said there's a real danger in risk. speaking the truth that fullness of the gospel message as he sees it is not proclaimed. he said i'm choosing to talk about mercy. he even said that people have reprimanded him over not speaking out enough about abortion and gay marriage and contraception. he said i'm doing this on purpose. >> i wouldn't think he would not be doing it with significant purpose. are we seeing a real shift in the church, it's doctrine and a shift by this pope? >> not a shift on doctrine. he said i'm a son of the church. as catholics teachings would say not even the pope can change dogma. that's something revealed to god

through scripture. we are seeing a radical shift. some conservatives are afraid of recognizing how radical this is. we're seeing a radical shift on tone. radical. >> no more representative of that shift and tone, pope francis over the weekend telling a crowd, we don't want this globalized economic system which does us so much harm. men and women have to be at the center of an economic system as god wants, not money. the world has become an idolator of this god called money. now talk about something that could be interpreted incorrectly and in a number of directions. >> absolutely. i think you're one of the only journalists that have brought this up because everybody has been focussed on gay marriage and abortion. pope francis is saying the economy is for or should be for

humanity. instead of that the economy is for making an individual wealthy. that humanity is more than just making money. he's saying if the global system is set up in a way that money is the idol then we're screwed up. >> it's startling because we just don't have voices right now saying there's a balance to be achieved between materialism and wealth. wean our material lives and our spiritual lives. when i think about that, his voice and his words on this issue are remarkable. >> one thing that pope francis said when he gave this talk was jobs, jobs, jobs. he said if there's no jobs then the dignity of the human person is lost. work is not just about making money. it's a job can help a person

realize who they are. that's the dignity of the human person. the fact that he is saying that money can be an idol, does not mean that making money is bad. in fact, he's saying making money in terms of carrying out a job makes us more human. >> this country and this economy is all about equal opportunity and creating opportunity and respecting a man or woman no matter what their work is, respect them for the work they do. >> that's right. >> it's great to have you. up next, america rapidly turning into a welfare state. i think it's fair to say it's there. we'll show you how the democratic party never ending thirst for power, for bigger government. that drives them. what drives the republicans? we'll be right back. (vo) you are a business pro.

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america has been fighting war on poverty since 1965. almost a half century a ago. it's war that we are still losing. i repeat, losing. federal and state government spend just over a trillion dollars a year. means tested well for our program. a trillion dollars. that doesn't include entitlement programs like social security or medicare. the federal government's share of that trillion is about 750 billion. more than we spend in this country on our national defense, the justice department, transportation, education combined. what are we doing? why doesn't somebody ask what are we doing?

it's increase 32%. it's up almost a third since president obama took office. what has all this spending got? the nation's poverty rate remains. 15%. 15%. 46.5 million people live in poverty under the definition of the federal government. it's spending about $22,000 per person no poverty. $22,000. here is a radical idea that will excite every bureaucrat in the country. if we just wrote a check for $22,000 for each person each year, we'd be well on the way to eliminating technical poverty in the united states and several times over. what are the proven weapons? what have we learned since 1965? we actually have learned

something. it's about work and it's about marriage. last year more than 26 million, 18 to 64-year-olds were living below the poverty line. 57% of them didn't have a job. according to the heritage foundation, 71% of poor families with children are headed by single parents. we don't want to have a culture discussion, do we? we don't want to have a social logical understanding of what's happening in this country. we don't want to be political correct. we can't talk about the impact of families that break up. we don't want to talk about the consequences which is devastating and for which large measure we spend tremendous sums of money into what effect. as for families with children but not living in poverty, 73% of them are headed by married

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my next guest s william vogi lerks. he's a scholar and political analyst and the senior editor. he's the author of this book. it's entitled "never enough: america's limitless welfare

state." it is the -- your book addresses these issues. we have a government that's grown without end. this is what is the size of government, the limit of government. why do we tolerate such a vision? >> well, i think we tolerate it because people asked do you want big government or not will say we don't think that's a good idea. when it's sold in little slices, do you want government to address this problem, that needy group then the political equation changes and people are much more amenable to what they're selling. >> why can't conservatives come up with an intelligent,

compelling, articulate response to the lapse of new program, ever greater spending and limitless government? >> it's little bit like those cute commercials with the guy talking to the four kids for at&t and he asked a question like is more better than less and they say more is better. this is the built in advantage that the liberal case sort of has. conservatives have a longer argument they need to make that more sounds better but if you pay for it badly or wrongly, you wind up with troubles down the road. >> we've got troubles. i think we can start to see the shape in the form of some of those troubles we have as a result of an irresponsible fiscal policy and so much else. welfare, entitlements in this

country, we put it in the context of the war on poverty which began in 1965, the achievement, the accomplishme s accomplishments, what has all of that money bought. what has it achieved. what are the accomplishments of government in social policy? don't you agree? >> i do agree. i think one of the reasons we never seem to win the war on poverty is that the definition of what it would mean to win the war on poverty keeps changing. the goal line keeps moving. this is partly for politics. this is partly sort of built into the administration of the various programs. the cut off point is people who have just slightly better economic situation are going to have a good case to say we're

not that much better off than people are getting money, why aren't we getting money. that means overtime there's a long term expansionary tendency. a program like the earned income edit, the upper cut off limit adjusting for inflation is nearly twice as high as it was then. >> we have just a little time remaining. your judgment about the panacea, at least a way forward that will rationalize what we're doing. >> yes. well, i think to get away from gloom, i think the good news for conservatives is that democrats, unlike european social democrats, have not been tiebl sell a package deal that convinces americans that high taxes and generous welfare benefits are a good package. i think that this resistance to taxes puts a constraint on

spending that will start to make a difference. >> the book is "never enough." it's on bookstore shelves now. thanks for being with us. that's it for us tonight. we'll see you here tomorrow. good night from new york. [ dynamic music plays ]