♪ ♪ ♪ neil: all right, welcome. a clock hat is not taken. not quite the ticking timebomb that iso bad. welcome, i am trusting in for neil cavo. things are getting even weirder. the administration is trying to make the shutdown sound even scarier. and barack obama tweeting today that this is important. putting the safety of our food atisk due to the government

shutdown. and of course many natonal parkare still shut. but ots of nonessential staff are also down and you had that to those that are pd to clear brush and federal land and this is really turning into a provbial zoo. but it gets worse. members of the house actually have to pick up and clean their own houses. how terrie. now, it's hard to believe. how about someone to put this into perspective. my next guest. mercedes, i have to tell you that there is a clock in a llway, everyone walks past it, no one decides twind it up. that tells us that speaks volumes abut why wshington is

messed up. >> i was actually kind of shocked. the personnel clock wander in the capital. can't we outsource the position? [laughter] i think when you start looking at the different components, for example my kid might be upset about the panda cm been turned off, but it puts into perspective how our tax dollars being spent. so much pressure bng put out there by the white house. and in some ways, again, it's the reasoo we are having a problem is because of the republicans and they are pulling out all sorts of things to push through this pr campaign that is going on right now in the scare tactics. charles: wesaw it live sequestration through the white house, easter egg thing, all the things have looked errific. but so far i think tat the average american can't say that

they have been it by this government shutdn. this partial government shutdown. >> that is in art because about 80% of what the government does is still operating. people do not oftentimes realize -hat these talkare still going , medicare, medicaid still being paid, the essential activities from border control to the faa, still in opration. agencies that we are talking about the fundeducation and commerce are not really vital. in some caes ty provide important services, but they are not very essential in some cas may be unnecessary. the problem for republicans or not you have read "the wall street journal" poll today is the public is blaming republicans more than president obama or this so the scare campaigneems to be working. what is back earlier when you try to scar with the sequester, it backfired because about was an essentilovernment serice

of the president was playing with. things like the faa and activities that americans depend on. >> wireless working, i don't get it? >> i think it was becauss it was so overtly political thee first time. remember when the president tried to close down the air traffic control syst. smart republicans like tom coburn who saidhere is 10 programs you could cut. and so the same thing when they shutdown the food inspection service and so forth. this has gone on a while and americans would like tis result charles: there is nooubt abt that and that the president has woe pr battle. i have to tell you that it's pathetic some of the things they are whining about. in the long run, mayye we will and we could ve with smaller government. thank you and we will talk to you again soon. >> thank you. charles: the sutdown could slow

down the keystone pipeline to the state dpartment saying that it's slowing down the review process for the long delay. john campbell says that it's just another admintration excuse to blk this thing. representative, it's pretty always that they don't like it. the point is like a victim in the turmoil of washington. >> that's right. thank you for having us on. this is the rhetorical situation beuse they are able to say oh, because of this, we can't do the ystone pipeline, which we know they don't want to do anyway. when they are always accusing house republicans of cateing to what they conside an extreme small element of our party and catering to an extreme sml element of this party because the unions wanted and everything else. @% would pass the house and senate and this enabl him to slow it down and at the same time wayman on us on republicans. so he gets this to fear of

sling down the keystone pipeline and adding to the narrative but you all just discussinghe last panel about all offthis pa that is unnecessary and exaggerated and manuuacture that he is trying to create with the lowdown. charles: there is no doubt th christma ame early this week for the white house. let's talk about what could force the hand. the president talking re and more about our great energy renaissance, which is very interesting. i haven't heard george bush get any credit for it and we now the president is not like fossil fuels and has not done anything to help us out. at some point we are goi to get a real jobs report number out soon. we are going to see that this country is still struggling for jobs, high-paying jobs that keystone provides an ultimately it will trigger a genuine effort by the white house to get this thg goin charles: i would love to ell you ye

>> when we did a poor jobs report jobupport from the president will say that it's because of the shutddwn and because of republican scare tactics on the debt limit. it is becauue of all kinds of thiigs that we are doing or keeping him from doing because we don't have high enough taxes and because we don't have this or that. youknow and i know that it is because a lot of regulation is standing in the way of all the genuine individus that are out there in the economy, which is energy production, but they have a lot of regulations that are being even greater and to ourt economy. whether it's that or -d printing order elemts of the economy that obamacare is putting a wet blankeon all of us. we knowtho are the real causes of what in slowinghe economy now. but the presdent will have his own thin that he is ging to appoint him. and he sang at thestuff over

here. moving to open the keystone pipeline. but just don't think that is probably the case. history would say that it's unlikely to move at. charles: you're solutely ight. they chalnge the state department. befo i let yo go, how are things goi down at? are you getting a sense that there are no pickups and thi could be resolved early next week when i. i think that it could be. eveone is talking, rhetoric has calm own tryinto give room for negotiation to occur. and i have heard lots of information from ario sources which is somewhat contradiory. which i don't think w have a firm handle onwho isreally going to make som deal here and where and how and when. and i think that the funnel i narrowing a little bit and over the weekd things will calm down and people can really get

to work on a deal and i would hope by monday that maybe we would have something or hopefully some progress. charles: representative campbell, have a great one. we know that you alwayso the right thing and we appreciate it. >> thank you very much. charles: when a guy who actually wrote the patriot act is fighting to rein it in, he is here next. wait until you hear about the massive lawsuit that is drging him down. >> if the pirates find you, remember to keep them away from the important things.

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snooping.rly with te nsa suing the administration over this thing. welcome to the show, congressman. >> thank you. thank you for having me. charles: i guess a little bit like the monsters have gotten out of han here? >> yes, because when the patriot act was initally drafted, we thought we had drafted the ability to prevent a collection the collection of metadata, whicmeant that erybodyn the u.s. that makes a phone call, made or received, during th oversight we didn't have that. the ollection of data. once i left and we were doing thoversit anymore, the nsa really got out of control. first in the bush administration and then former intelligence committee chair in the house said what obama has been doing and we have to bring the rein in their spending in. thers no reason why ery innocent americanson all ought

to be picked up by the nsa and then stored for five years or maybe even more. charles: did you sense that it had th kind of power? >> a lot of times people put things together and i also think, okay, we figured it all out. people fige out different interpretations. section 215 of the stock. but could we any of this coming? >> no, i could not se any of this coming in. as you know, thecourt and the intelligence committees are supposed to be doing oversight to prevent the nsa doesn't go wild. this is a failure of oversight more than anything else. the only way to stop any administration from going wild is by congress for going its ability to do this oversight and i really regret that both the legislative and judicial branches did not do it.

the church commission's recommendations in the70s created theintelligence committee to puthe brakes on the nsa and instead they have been stepping on the gas and acting as cheerleaders. that is why we got the problem that we have toay. arles: where do we go from here? who are you suing, s that the viable way in the best option to try to get this thinggoing so that the american people are no longer victimized by their own government? >> they have to do a two-pronged thing. one of the lawsuit against eric clapper, who is the national intelligencece director. and remember that he told the senate committee that he gave the least on truthful answer. long lying t congress as a federacrime and he should be fired by the president and prosecuted by the justice department. the other is doing it legislatively and senator patrick leahy and i will be introducing legislation as soon as we can get this back from the

shutdown. the legislalation will do severl things. first of all that the collection of phonerecords can only take place when the nsa targets a foreigner who is a member of a recognized terrorist organization. either in this coury or abad. the second thhng is we are revising the court and any change would have to be public and it would be a public advocate that would represent the public and private interest. the third thing we would be doing with is telling the phone companies th they have the option at their discretion of saying how many requests they have otten from either the nsa or the jtice department to

turn over nd not specifying who they were being requesting for. >> this is a bipartisan issue and it seems like to me a no-brainer. we are rooting you on because is is egregious and outrageous and is an offense to almost every single aerican. we definitely want to touch base with you. >> i would agree with that. but i would also say a few things that you can't pu on the air to say what it is. charles: i would too. ve a great weekend. all right coming u.s. taxpayer spent over $11 million bailing out chrysler. that's how it is repaying it they should create 1100 jobs -- but in mexico? the unbelievabable auto ba howdy partner. you're not linda. i'm filling in for officer owens. she used double miles from her capital one venture card to take an early vacation.

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charles: talk about taking the money and ruing. chrysler says it's investing more than $1.2 billion in two mexican plans to build commercial engines. that is almost the exact amount americataxpayers mney. susan, they are forcing chrysler south of the border anything this is the reason this is happening? >> absolutely. in order tbuild a product that you can actually sell in today's marke the unions are holding companies hostage so theyhave no choice. we cannot continuto pay the ki of labor prices that we have had to pay and remain comtitive chaes: that's not too far-fched. aot of people believe that

unions demanded too much from the automakers to begin with. but that attitude added to the demise. charles: it's not far fetched but not remotely new. a decades long topic attyou are discussing right now. i thought we would discuss whether or not chrysler is backstabbing u.s.taxpayers. to that i would say that you have to decide. do you want them to operate as a business or do you want them -- do you want them to do them what we tell them to do is the taxpayers. >> i would rather that they operate as a business. >> than they do both? this is the argument that i hear all the time that we aregoing to ensure and bring businesses back toamerica. so are you admitting that this is not the right business climate to actually bring businesses back to? >> nothing of the sort. i don't have a list of all of chrysler's factories in front of me. my nch is that they continue to manufacture cars in the united states and that they will

continue to manufacte cars in the united states. ey re a global company and a manufacturer and all sorts of places. making a decision to makean investment in manufacting in mexico is one of the capital investments that chrysler will make in the next decade, i woold assume. i'm glad, i kow that you're not, but i'm glad they're still in usiness. >> we have to lt copanies make money. we want your money back from chrysler and have them pay taxes. they have to be able to make money and that's the bottom line for any business. charles: i think at we ae all happy that they are in business to do what we disagree on is how ey went about it. i believe that a of them could have found financing and we didn't have to let them see this. that's a long and drawn out story. we can't have it both wa. we keep hearing others going to be a manufacturing renaissance in this country and one of the prime companies that should be setting an example of this. >> yes, but right now there are

600,000 unfled manufacturing jobs in the united states and we do not have the skills to fill those jobs in this country. i said before that we ve unions holding so hostages we have a multitude of situations. >> i was going to sy that if this was sictla union issue, they could be going to mississippi or alama or a southern state where auto manufacturing i fighting a nonunion states. clearly there are more issues at play. >> the bottom line, maybe no a complete stab in the back but a nick in the back? >> i agree thaa it's a boo-boo charles: this is serious stuff. not almost double what it was in 1975. this after spending more than $60 trillion on the so-called r on poverty since 1964. susan, you say that it's an

enitlement society at is elinpoverty more than anything elss. >> whave createdda society in the unted states are we just don't have a strong work ethic anymore and people expect to be talking about this. fast food workers want to pay $50 an hour. we hava skills gap with all the unfilled manufacturing jobs and d we ought to be doing this are giving these people incentives to st at home and at their cell phones and food stan and all that, we shou be using that money to help them get the education so that they can go out andork. i know that at 34 letter word, they can go work d create and be a part of society and economy to one of the same thing that adam told me about a week ago. would you like to reiterate that? >> yes, i would like to reiterate that, charles. i think it is insidious. certainly it is a clever suggestion to say that the money spent on helping poor people has

caused them to be re poor. we canno prove that, but it sure makes for good situations to say it. but i would pntut on specifically regarding the poverty data that if you included the food stands that people had received that the data does not include, few people would be in poverty, which suggests at least some of these government programs are helping people. >> you are making susan's point thait would suggest the opposite the people are not helping themselves. in other words that we have created a climate and 1978, the job market was up to 3% in the last time that we gt it was half of that at 35% and we have actually cated an environment where kids d't want to work for the entire state survey says that one of the things hurting businesses more than anything else is people coming to work on time. you're talking about skills. how about just setting an alarm

clock. >> i have run businesses my enti life. beuse i am the owner, i will be working 24 hours per day seven days a week. but he will come to work hey come in late. they take at least an hour or an hour and half for lunch. heaven have an event y you would ask them to stay 15 minuues after the clock at 5:00 p.m. >> that is whyhey call it rush hour. look how great you look working 24 hrs a day. all ight,is washington on wall all ight,is washington on wall street hurting wallthe ocean ge. the peruvian anchovy harvest suffers. it rses the price of fishmeal, cattle feed and beef. bny mellon turns insights like these into powerful investment strategies. for a university endowment. it funds a marine e biologist. who studies the peruvian anchovy. invested in the world. bny mellon.

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government. to themayoral candidate joe loadon whether they are going after wall stree we did reach out to his opponent, but we are happy to have joe here. >> they ave been paying a heavy price rhetorically. it seems that every time i pick up this there is another fine >> yes, and the congressional delegaons very concerning in the senate as well as the house of representatives. they are not representing the number one city in the city of new york. this is the goose that laid the golden egg and we need to diversify our economy and also understand that wall street is headquartered in the city of new york. charles: i see this symbiotic relationship to be frank with you between shington and wl street. words like, ay, we will get you or sort of treat you like

the family cow, we will not do, could you every w and then for printing. but we are not going to kill you. when things get down, we will taketaxpayer money and lul. from the outside it sounds awful, but it's like game between these guys and the taxpayers ultimately pay the penal. >> y, it was a true relationship were washington and wall street and wall street and washington. for many years in the latter part of the 20th century was a true partnership to work together. it has been split apart now. they no longer our partners. they are adversaries. >> detroit used to be called the paris of the west. an amazing city. they engage their plitician petitions and it mindset and tax themselves and ran businesses out and smart people out. who'd be on the cusp of that, something very similar to what we saw maybe in detroit 50 or six years ago?

> are w close to that? i don't think so. charles: you just talked about this. right now he opponents are pulling in andour oppont, bill de blasio, is talking about the rich pple and wall street. if new yk has embraced that, what is the logical conclusion? >> it is that they don't understand and relationship with how the world really works and how revenues come in and how they are helpless keep the government in place and the social safety net that they fund. we need to continue to diversify our economy and the seeds that mike bloomberg as in the high-tech industry it is umber two in highech companies and we need to expand that. we hav he best medical schools in the country. the scientists are not talking about this always, these are industries that we needdto have unlike detroit which had all of its eggs in one basket.

and when the auto industry decided to go elsewhere, there was nothing els like it. >> but how did you get th politics that are extraordinarily powerful as a political tool? i could be making $75,000 a year. i used to drive a cab, but now i do not and i'm taking care of my family. that someone could remind me that the wall street guys are making mlions of dollars year and how unfair that is to me and my kids and i buy into it. >> well, i have an opponent that is driving class warfare right now with the campaign and the tale of two cities where he is pittinone against another. but it's really unfortunate. here's what need to do. we need to make sure th children are educatedand tha we expand our economy and diversify our economy so that we can et the unemployed employed and get those people underemployed better off.

charles: i still hear what you're saying. but the way that you guys handle the money my kids can never get educated. >> the gullibility of people is one thing. but the reality is another. charles: you are telling us a message that a lot of people in business or looking for u to be the savior. i have to tell you that you are very polite and successful. but youhave to be hitting the wrong nerve on people. this is not the best thing for them. >> that's right, we need have a growing and prperous conomy. income inequality in the world. but getting little bit too wide. but we also have the deal with the concept of jealousy and invigorated and the merican spirit and the american dream. i'm going to do better than my father, , my child will be bettr than me so that we ar dark city as well as thh country a place of opportunity. charles: it is not looking good

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distorted and illegally altered version. not this law at all. and they sala bohème, not really all be one when anyone says tt the law has been passed and we can't changeit. however the website is up, it's an unmitigated disaster. i saw that everyone had lot of fun poking fun. but i think that the more egregious problem hs to be the fact that people are not taking the bait. peop seem to tool arund. >> that is because they are reeling from the sticker shock. don't forget the president said that this would be affordable. the fact is that the average person -- a man will pay double what he would before, premium earnings are up 99% of what they would have been.

charles: is this the average across-the-board. >> just. >> for women, 62% up. for young people, 30 and unde up 279%. these are all figures from the manhattan institute interactive map, they have studied the state-by-state. it's not affordable and it's not just th premiums that people are rreling with. it is the deductible, ich are double what they are an employer provided health plans, if i 5000-llar deductible and the bronze plan, 3000-dollar deductible in the silver plan. a young perso who writes a check for maybe $300 per month is never gng to ge anything ck. how many men in these 30 to 35-year-old age categories ever go to a doctor. including the three were -dollar deductble, unless they are in a motorcycle

accident or get an unexpected illness, heaven for bed, after two or three months they are going to say, why am i doing this, i should be making a car payment. >> that's right. >> or it is also the hire ofgod or a percentage of your income. so for famies, those penalties will add up really fast. >> it still might be an option for someone who is on a tight budget. >> that is right. >> who isn't on a tight budget? >> there you go. you saw this from one aspect to another. now it is up and running an we get a chance to see it. what is the prognosion this and how to keep alive? we know they are determined to. how do they figured out? >> that will be a pr disaster. it is really hard to keep this alive. once you get in thatplan come

you can't go to the doctor and hospital that you would prefer because to keep the premiums fo iking en more, they have eliminateso many doctors and hospitals paying bargain basement rates. the one you always inform us, we always appreciate it, but it's always kind of sad. this is amazing tuff, really shocking numbers that we saw this week. have areat weekend. tom hanks already getting some oscar buzz for his betrayal of katherine philips, but t real captain screw is not happy about the movie at all, they are layered upndthey are suing. >> we have been boarded by m pirates. pirates. we will be all any last requests mr. baldwin? do you mind grabbing my phone and d opening the capital one purchase eraser? i need to redeem some venture miles fore my demise. okay. it's easy to erase any cent travel expense i want. just pick that flight right there. mmm hmmm.

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[inaudible] [inaudible] >> everything will be okay. look at me. charles: lots of buzz around captain philips. severalrew members are describing the movie as highly fictionalized. the owner of the attacked ship, captain phips ignored warnings to keep a safe distance office mulley coast and that is why he put the whe crew in jeopardy. so do they have a se? let's bring in the lawyers. when individuals as they do have a case and another says they don't. let's go wi how they have case. think that they have a huge payout coming their way. this isn'timply just a negligence cse like the captain

made a mistake, but a punitive damage case to the tune of $50 million. i had a chance to read through that complaint today and let me tell you that there are some strong allegatio in there. the plaintiffs are essentially saying that the captain intentionally and willfully put their lives at risk. there are definitely facts to back that up ere. charles: we know that hollywood takes extraordinary liberties. but to the tual facts of this rely be such that the captain really did put everyone in jeopardy? >> captain philipsand this is nothg but back telling in itself. this is round two. the lawyers, they are the ones that will weigh in on this one in the white house. captain philips committee was in any kind of wrongdoing, why has he been so open about

everything? he has done depositions already and he has spoken on tv several times, he's ll the time i know tom hates smilingith him. there are plenty of attacks happening there and you can't avoid it. your 20 miles away, 6 miles away, 1200 miles. or 1300 miles off the coat. charles: what do you thin >> i think she made the case for them right there. the fact of the matter is, let me finish -- [talking over each other] charles: okay, go ahad. >> in oder to prove a neigence case from you have to prove that they knew or should have known. there is no dispute here. it's not that they should have @%own, they had numerous hijackings that took place in the captain was won seven times. seven times toto stay at least

600 miles away from the coasts and he chose to ignore i. >> he was 240 miles away from the coast and that is where the attack took place. charles: okay, let me jump in for one second, lease. i wan to say that you ought up initially the fact that the captain is not being sued and more than likely he doesn't have $15 million for an insurance that would pay off a lawsuit. >> i am lawyer and i know what is going n. >> my point is tht it is horrific that we are always going after deep pockets. when we make a pnt whether he has be considered negligent or not. he wasn't egligent. charles: the entire crew is almost unanimously saying that this guy broke a lot of rules

and assumed adangerous was tat he was taking. everyone knew it was a ngerous place. but they set up this danger and he violated them and shouldn't they vouch for that? >> thern why -- >> the reason why this individual was not named, and megan described it perfectly. he does not have the deep pockets to satisfy a judgment and it'not e laers fall. you're not ready to sue ssmebody winning or you can collect. yes, the ship owner is vicariousl liable. what that means is that they are responsible for the conduct of the catheter and that is what is gog on. charles: we know the captain has made a fair amount of money. and iknow that bth of you ladies probably agree that this will be settled out of court and the pirates will win again on both sides. a spirited conversation.

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charle time for the blit this is a part of the shothat you should be watching and discuss your opinions. mark zuckerbe and his palo alto mansion. security surrounding it. addressing this coming on the same day that facebook is telling that it's users can no longer hide its profiles from a search. to preventuys for this. i want to start with you on us. hypocrisy aside. what about this?

>> i still don't think that that is worth what everyone thinks that it is. socia media, all abt voluntarily contributing your information to the gatest marketg machine in history and you have to convert hem o paying customers. i don't care if it's 10 or 100 million of them. i don't like this. charles: you are a momentum guide, certainly they have turned it around. >> they have turned around in the stock, despite all of the privacy concerns and the haters out there,,there seems to be too many. it continues to perfo as does th service. i thinkou're overselling it when you say that mark zuckerberg and facebook are invading people's privacy. despite this algorithm, they are is robust privacy settings, which is not to share things you want to keep right on facebook. sopeople are getting a lot out of thisservice, but i would not put much faith in this stock.

>> a bull market. stillmuch alk about jcnney. bringing back their old ceo, now the retailer is bringing back its old logo as well. hoping that themove will mehow eignite her regain old customers. doesn't jcpenney need to do more than a logo change? >> the stock trades back in 1978, the old soldiers don't die but they fade away. jcpenney had faded away and this is a company that relly minated the retail states. ii america community to innovate and ccmpete aney did not, which is why despite a logo chge and even a ceo change i think the jcpenney has a tarnished brandnd likely will go to zero.. >> i have to tell you the one th i gto is a hot mess. it's riiculous. can pending turn this around in time?

>> no, i think that the brnd has had its heyday. it's sad because of ionic in the american schemeof thing. but the prvate brand doesn't work him, the sales don't work. turnaround is promising, but promising and profitab differences are huge. charles: oay, what is that? it is time fr the nightcap. what eryone is going to be talking about coming monday. >> they had some trouble in the recent couple of months and it's interesting to see them come down. the net interest margin will grow as nterest rates rise. th is why we have a lot oo biological base your. charles: sometimes companies can have great numbers and earings.

but these stocks struggled today. two they did and a lot of them dead. i think that longer term we are still beating the market year-to-date and i don't trust the baks, but i think that that is what they are doing. >> tapering may be a 2014 event, i'm saying 2016 but for rates tually go back up. >> unless we have the derivatives to make a concerted effort concerted effort against the fed, i think that that is probably right. she's going to do everything she can keep the rates low, and i think that thinks will benefit.

middle america will be sold on theiver. charles: jonathan is getting a waiver on a facebook account and they won't be snooping on him today. you guys are the best.t. i love you. have reat weekend and we will you're the best. have h coco tonight. see you on monday. e fight in washington is just plain ugly. but will a settlement between the democrats aad the republicans kick the disagreements down the road? will it change anything? we're talking is the fight something destructive or something we really need? right here rightnow. >> frothe fox business headquarters in new york city "the tosullivan show." here's your host, tomsullivan. >> here's what i have at the top of the stack. we know the atmosphere in washington has drawn more poisonous over the years and the respt for our lawmakers has dropped as a result. but has our government grown too big andtoo powerful? is it time to finally have a showdown over what we want our gornment to do or