the radio show every weekday 3:00 to 6:00 p.m. eastern. we'll have another great tv show for you next week on fox business. in the meantime, join me on the radio. some panic, a little frustration setting in for senate democrat hot face re-election next year. and the pailed localout of obama care to blame. all but one of those at the white house today to make certain president obama gets the message. i'm lou dobbs. >> obama care a failure to this at this point. the white house has repeatedly lied and the president's own party is now? something of a panic. 17 of the 16 senate democrats

trying to keep their seats beyond 2014 at the white house today demanding improvement in the affordable care act and looking for answers as to why the president suddenly changed his "if you like your health care you can keep it" claim after three very long years. ye. senator mark baggitch of alaska expressed his deep displeasure with the president in no uncertain terms. >> i've made my voice pretty there. he doesn't rurn my calls all the time because i'm yelling at him all the time on some of the issues. >> i have heard from him on day one. i have called suggesting improvements on the site. >> he won electionin 2008 by just 1%. it is one of 12 seats that the republican party cnsiders now vulnerable, and they are actively targetis seat. fox news chief white house

correspondent ed enhenry brokete story. >> reporter: preside obama conferred late today with democratic senatorial campaign chairman michael bennett minutes after they wrapped up a dramat closed door meeting with 15 democrats facing the voters in 2014 who are nervou th anger over obama ca will knock them out of office. one democratic source familiar with the meeting told fox it was spicy because quote cannididly there's a lot of frustration. it's terrible politics for everyone right now. this w the chance for the president to let a little pressure out after days of republicans piling on". >> ourconstuents are worried. they feel deceived. they're very upset. an they should be. not only with the law itself but with the way the administration has basically brushed their concerns aside.

>> in a gn of the intensity of the situation, it was a two-hour meeting, and the president was joined by vice president biden, chief of staff dennis mcdonagh and web sste guru jeffrey zient who assured the skeptical senators healtcare.gov will be up by the end of november. the democrat described a crisis in confidence saying quote it's absolutely unacceptable in this day and age that the administration can't deliver on the promises it made to all americans because of technical problems with a web site. alaskans should be appreciating the critical benefits of the affordable care act. but there is an understandable crisis in confidence because the administration has yet to get it off the ground." >> he does n return my calls all the time because i'm yelling at him all the time on some of the issues. but i think they really want to hear from us because we're on ground as u know in our own

communities. i deliver that frustration on a fairly regular basis to the white house. today was more direct. >> that anger from democrats may explain why the white house left the meeting off the president's public schedule for the day. it was only after begitch and democrats like mark udall of colorado started lashing out with press releases. udall told the president he need to push back the enrollment period beyond march 2014 and need to get moeriou about putting in new seguard for online privacy. udall declaring "i also told the president for the affordable care act to ucceed,sumers need to be confident their personal informaon is secure. we need to do everything in our power to protect the online marketplace from hackers and cyber attacks." a democratic source famiar with the meeting terms me that some senators floated the idea of a delay of up to one year for enrollment and fines. that would be a major change. the president of course did not

agree. but i'm told the senators felt it was a constructive meeting. the question now is whether the white house compromises and delay implemeation by few mont. lou? >> joining us tonight is congressman diane black, former registered nurse, a member of both the budget commit yo an the hous ways and means committee, also one of 29 members of theudget conference committee. great to have you with us, anne. let me start with this anog from the op ed piece that the woman wrote. "my choice toys get covere. ife could see this on a full screen, please. my choice is to get coverage thugh the government health exchange and lose access to my cancer doctors or pay much more for insurance outside the exchange. the quotes avera 40 to 50% more for the privilege of starting over with an unfamiliar insurance company and impaired benefits." is thatretty much what the nation is facing? >> lou, i am so discouraged with

this administration. this goes down as this la is talking out to the patient, to the care, to the kinds of things that are saving people's lives in this situation where she's going to lose her provers. her hospital, her doctors, and have very little opportunity to get other kinds of services, and it's going to cost her much much more. this is affecting real people and their lives. and this administration needs to stand up and take responsibility for what's happening in people's personal lives with their health care. >> you mean as they have done in which cases scifically before this? is there any experiential eviden? >> we haven't seen them take any responsibility for anying whether it's the web site and we blame the contractors. just take responsibility. this thing is a train wreck. it was from th beginni. but now we're not just talking about well theechnology is wrong or this is wron

we're talking about real people and theirives and their health care being impacted by this horrible bill. >> what are you going to do for individual americans, a working man and woman, tryinto make it and to find their w through this train wreck? >> well, you're right. we do have a bill that we have already put out there that do give people opportunity and choices and brings costs down. but let me go back to one of the ings you said businesses will make it. because right here in the state of tennessee, which is where i live, we have cover tennessee, which is a small business opportunity for small binesses to have insurance. it's called cover tennessee. 28,000 lives were dropped off of this program because the state said we cannot continue providing this opportunity for small business because of the obama care. because they say you have to have a certain level of coverage in order for themo be able to -- in one day 28,000 people. these are real lives.

these are businesses. >> 3.5 million people have been1 pushed out of their policies and left in a situation, could be in the same situation as the woman who has stage iv gall bladder cancer. it's a tough time. and the issues are being consumed by a stone walling, frankly dysfunctional administration. >> absolutely. and the republican party wants to talk about -- forgive me for saying this because i love the budget. i love fiscal policy. but this isn't the time for big, and bargains on fiscal policy by a supercommittee, of which you are an important member, i realize. it's a time to start reaching after the people. and i know you do this on a daily basis. but the entire caucus has an opportunity here that i don't sense that the caucus is really trying to implement to take advantage of. >> lou, we are. and we have a house care bill

that is out tere that does the kinds of things where it gets backnto the market,where it givepatients opportunities and choices, unlike what you're finding in the obama care. we are listening to people a whatheir needs are, and we have a plan that we put out there. ok, we need to also talk about our debt and deficit. getting that straightened out is going to cause the economy to grow. >> if you and your caucus think that you have the power as the majority in the house of representatives against a party that holds the presidency and the senatend you're willing to risk again shutting down this government, i think that you will be making the biggest mistake imaginable. >> i'm not talking about closing down the governme. i'm talking aut finding common ground. >> somebody in your caucus need to take leadership role, wheer it's the speaker or whomever it may bend say we're not going to shut the government dn. wee not going to be irrational. we're not going to slam some

grand bargain on fist kical pol down the american people's throat like the president did on obama care. >> i'm telling you right now we are working to find common ground with our democrats, reaching acrossthe aisle. i think you saw that last week when we had our first meeting. we are finding ways we can work together. we have to govern. we can't just keep alemating and closing the government down. we have to gover we have got to find ways to get the deficit under control. we've got to do that. that's what we're intending to in this committee. it's not grand bargain. it's taking baby steps. paying down on the debt. having a down payment to make sure our debt and deficit is taken care of. that's what helps the economy to grow is when we place certainty out there and closing the government down doest place certainty. it sure doesn't. and it raises hell with american families, working men and women, and indeed this economy. we appreciate you being here. it's always good to talk with you. >> always good to talk with you,

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election day has, well, concluded. in many ways was a battle, it seems, for the future of the republican party. establishment republicans tryng to crushhe tea party in some races, and in sme cases losing their wa >> chris christie easily won re-election in new jersey, setting the stage for a run in

2016. but governor christie seemed to be running at times more against the tea party than his democratic opponent. in part because it created an effectiveppeal to liberal voters in new jersey. in virginia, tea party-backed republican ken cuccinelli lost by onl three points to the clinton-backed terry mcauliffe whensome polls had him losing by double digits. the gop establishment worked hard to push await tea party in virginia and incredibly allowed an obama bung letter to build a third party libertarian candidacy that took twice as many votes as mcaulif's margin of victory. there's a lot to be learned from the gubernatorial races in virginia andew jersey. one lesson certainly is the gop leadership is as committed to big business and establishment candidates as they are opposed to the tea party lib liber tearance and conservative candidates. the gop establishment committed

enormous resources in alabama to electentrist bradley burn over tea rty activist dean young. the real question remerges, can the republican party win next year without including libertarians and the tea party their tent. a lot of public initiatives on the ballot last night as well. fos in colorado can now smok t, but that rocky mountain high will be ted at 25%. in northercolorado, a split decision on secession. sicounties rejected it, five counties went for it. the moral of the movement is, if at first you don't secede try again. elsewhere the houston astro dome likely to be reduced to rubble. voters rejeing a $200 million renovation. you can also smoke pot in portland, maine now. it is now a legal recreational activity. new york voters approving seven las vegas-style casinos.

yesterday's election at least in part was about vice and in some cases a lack of moderation. we'll see what both parties make of that and whether there's room for a third view next year and in 2016. joing us now to take up the implications of the wins and losses for both parties we are joed by julie wiginsk ikz, democratic strategist and michael goodwin, pulitzer prize winning "new york post" columnist. julie let's start with you. a remarkable win for governor christie. he is now i would have to say the point man in the advance toward the party's nomination. >> amazing. if you look at the actual exit polls and where he did well it becomes even more amazing. chris christie who everybody thinks ace big moderate, he has portrayed himself that way. >> he is a conservative. >> can't you be a conservative moderate? maybe not. >> he calls hielf a conservative. >> that may be but he didn't campaign -- >> he also could not be. >> correct. but he got 92% of the tea party

vote in the exit polls. that's amazing. >> that's pretty impressive. paicularly with some of the things that he's said about the tea party. has been pushing them away. in doing so i thi very cleverly >> yes. and i also with a lot of the democratic core constituencies. african-americans, hispanics, h split the hispanic vote, winning among women. >> he won the hispanic vote. 51 points. >> he won women. >> 19-point increase over previous -- >> something on the order of one out of three democrat voted for him as well yesterday. so this is cutting across all e line to me this is hetening that a republican candidatecan css over that way and get a lot of voters who simply want answers to their problems. >> yes. and in what we watch in virginia, it was a dramatic demonstration of powerful

tablishment politics on the democratic side, obviously terry mcauliffe, former dnc chair mine, acolyte of president clinton and one of his if not the principa fundraiser just barely got through against a te pay candidate that the republican party was basically trying to kill by strangling and suffocatg him from lack of money. >> if you ask the mcauliffe people they'll s they were never up by more than three or four points. >> we all read the polls. doub digits. >> correct. in some cases i would say terry mcauliffe was a flawed candidate. the only person a little more flawed apparentlyas ken cuccinelli. not rock star candidates like chris christie in new jersey. even bob mcdonald, he didn't suort ken cuccinei. that means a struggle for the reblican party. >> a governor who has all sorts of ethic complaints and problems. >> yet his approval ratings are 53 or 54% which is amazing in

virginia. >> that's a warm hug from an electorate so quick to judge both mcauliffe and cuccinelli. >> correct. >> i disagree with you on this. i think both candidates could have been star candidates. but they chose really, i think, unfortunate paths in their candidacy. cuccinelli brought all of t warmth and energy to his candidy of frankly a slug. i interviewed him. i talked with him. this is a man who's dynamic. he's intelligent. he is a committed public servant. and my god, in the waning weeks of the campaign h was just sluggish. and mcauffe, he looked like he had been beaten to a pulp. it was a strange, strange performance by both candidates. >> well, and don't forget the amount of money mcauliffe had, advantage money 3 or 4 to 1 minn down the stretch. >> 10 to 1 inerms of

vertising spent in the final weeks of the campaign. look, republican estlishment knew they were killing the candidacy of cuccinelli by not giving him more support. >> i think the problems with obama care clearly helped cuccinelli in the last few days close that gap that mcauliffe certainly had. i would make another argument, too, about this. i think it shows thatall the mainstream media was covering the obama care disaster. and i think there was no hiding from it. imagine if the mainstream media had covered a lot of the other obama disasters, benghazi, the irs scandal, along the way, just a whole jobsissue. >> there wod ha been no second rm. >> i think not only that but i >> i don't know if you can blame this on the media. the problem with ken cuccinelli's campaign and the advantage to chris christie's campaign, christie is opating in the staae of new jersey where there's no media, new york affiliate market. he made his own immedie. why he talked to the voters.

ken cuccinelli spent and was defined by the mcaulie people spent way too much time worrying about what people do in their bed rooms, things people don't worry object. >> the usual war on women strategy, to which the republicans don't have a counter strategy. >> they do. it's called chris christie. chris christ ran against the first all-women ticket i think in the histor of this nation and still won the woman vote. >> and he's pro-life. >> a still won the woman's vote. >> in new jersey there as no attack on hhm as a war on women. >> he tried. didn't succeed. >> in virginia it wasn overwhelmingttack on ken cuccinelli. absurdity, but nonetheless an attack. and i think we have -- the are two events when you talk about medithat are real, irrespective of media coverage. one is how in the world does cuccinelli recover when the establishment republican party as well as the tea party embraced the shutdown of govement in the weeks leang right up to the election? that was devastating for

cuccinelli, i believe. and how in the world ds mcauliffe give flight to his candidacy with obama care a train wreck to which there is no exit? >> because while obama care, which i don't consider to be a train wreck but let's posit for a minute. >> of course you don't. let me rephrase that. wonderful ccess. a monument to president obama's leership with that you're going to gethe last word. >> thank you and good night. no, but look, i don't agree wi you that it's a wreck. people are not as affected by it in virginia as by the shutdown. northern virginia -- >> i coun't agree with you more. >> that's the problem for ken cuccinelli. >> it was a problem for ken cuccinelli. and the fact is, by the na narrowest of margins last night he lost. >> michael quick lastword. >> i think obama care will be the problem going forward. there's not likely to be another shutwn between now and the next electio but obama care is with us.

>> p hip hooray. >> on that happy note -- >> thank you boh. up next, russian president putin reportedly having second thoughts aut his association with syrian dictator bashar al ass assad. we take that up anmuch more with general jack dean here next. this is the quicksilver cash back card from capil one. it's not the "fumbling around with rotating categories" card. it's not the etting blindsided by limits" card. it's the no-game-playing, no-earning-limit-having, deep-bomb-throwing, give-me-the-ball-and-i'll-take- it-to-the-house, cash back card. this is the quicksilver cash card from capital one. unlimited 1.5% cash back every purchase, everywhere, every single day. so let me ask you... at's in your wallet?

fox news correspondent james rosen reports russia is preping reportedly for a post-assad fure in syria. that according to european allies who say that president put inis loking for ways to establish a transitional government in damascus nearly three years after its civil war began. so it appears putin is pursuing an mercantilist foreign policy. a price s to be paid for his accommodation, we just don't know what the terms of the deal are, what the price will be. and secretary of state kerry in israeloday essentially dismissing prime minister netanyahu and the israeli posion on middle east peace as

far putin has demanded a price for nearly every adjustment in the russian position. what are your thoughts? >> well, certainlthere'll be a price. but i don't think we should be too quick to throw the towel in on this relationship. assad is in the strongest position he's been, lou, since the revolution beganagainst him. chemical weapons disarmament deal tt the united states and russia have brokered with him has legitimized at government an galvanized his control and al weakened the opposition force at's snding agnst him. it's more fragmented than it has

been. it's never receivinghe military aid in any consequential way that the united states has promised. so i don't think this thing is a fissure yet. and assad hasgot a ve here unless the rssians are successful in undermining the support that's around him. >> and the support right now for mahmoud abbas seems to be rising as the unitestates gives furtheaid to the palestinians, another $75 million courtesy secretary of state kerry today. what is your assessment of what the united states policy is there and its goals? >> well, every secretary for the last 50 years has trie to broker some kind of peace treaty dealing with the palestinians and the israelis, and we've had seminal failure. i think we're here -- what took place here, frkly, is the israelis and the palestinians both made concessions as a

condition for beginning the peacetalks, and then the palestinians began to push back on the new settlements being nstructed but they were not part of the concessions. they belly ached quite a bit about that and lo and behold they got an additional concession out of the unite states, another addition 75 million. i don't think strate wise it makes sense. you want the people talking to each other israel hisnd palestinians a not frustrate one side against the other. >> no one could seemingly be more frustrated than prime minister netanyahu, whose focus remains iran, and who is concerned that the obama administration is not focused on iran. give us your perspective on what >> well, clearly iran is israel less number one strategic emy in the region and it's also ours. it's certainly saudi arabia's and the sunni gulf states. the iranians have never given up

on domination of the region. at's why they've had a state-sponsored terrorist campaign against youus and othe countries in the 30 years. they're moving towards nuclear weapons. i think they always look at diplomacy and negotiations as simply this. one step back due to diploma and negotiations then steps forward. that's been the pattern for 15 years. theyatched the north koreans do i much to their success in acquiring a nuclear weapon. i think netanyahu is eally very much concerned now, because he thinks the united states in a sense is neutered, that we're not going to ke any action and he's going to be on his own as eventually iran makes a race to a nuclear weapon and he's forced to do something. >> general jack keene as always go to have you here. up next, the obama care failure pushing president obama closer to a dubious record. his poll numbers continue to take a beating. take a beating. we'll be joined by former se when we made our commitment to the gulf, bp had two big goals:

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joining us now, former senator scott brown, fox news contributor. scott, it's great to have you with us. i want to just turn first to obama care, the discussion from republicans now about he budget. even as the president is trying to change the subject, are we witnessing the republican party again try t accomdatete him by letting him change the subject? >> well listen, obviously our debt and deficit, taxes, spenng, jobs, national security are all very important issues. but right now the most important issue, the thing that's on everybody's mind whether you're a large business owner or small buness owner or an individual is this health care debacle. bottom line is, they tried to ram it through, tried to circumvent me. i got elected in an attempt to stop obama care. in massachusetts they had a deal with the white house where they held me up being sworn in for a couple of weeks so they could ram it through.

then when i got there, don't forget they did not allow one amendment to try to fix this bill in any way, spe or form. so shame on themnow. people like landrieu and shaheen and pryor and begitch complaining we didn't know anything about the grand fathering and the fact that people are going to lose their policies. theyoted on it. every one of them said hey, we don't ce. soealth care and the debacle that we're seeing right now and the fact that people are deeply deeply concerned and rightly so that it's going to cost too much, it's going to have way too much long wait in line in it, and it's just mess. >> are you concerned further, though, that the republicans don't seem to be finding a common voice here? they have an opportunity to go in to 2014 and just -- i mean, i think they have got a gift from this administration and from the democrats on capitol hill in both houses that should assure

them of significant victories in congress and the sena, don't you think? >> well, here's the issu they all agree that they hate obama care. so what are they fighting about? they're fighting about who's more conservative on obama care. who cares who's more conservative? boom line is, we have an issue. it's broken. we need to fix it. and how do you do that? the first thing that the president should do, quite honestly, is to show some leadership and actually work with congress immediately and grab the bull the horns and say, hey, we' going to step back for at least six to nine to 12 months and just put everything on hold. we're going to do a break break. and we're going to just look at everything top to bottom, do that top to bottom review and see what's working and what's not. we need your help, congress. we need your help, senate. he's not doing that. he's checking out. the blame game is unbelievable. first of all, people need to be fired. secondly you got to get people in there who actually know how to run a business or know how to eate a b site. can you imagine, lou, we sent 40million plus of our tax dollars and we gave the job to a

canadian compa who couldn't even give it to a united stas company and it's broken. so yes, you're absolutelyright. they need to work together. they should be completely and totally unitedn this issue. and so should the democrats. >> very quickly as we're over time here. but do you think the president can recover from four years -- just about four years of repeed misreprentations, misstatementor outright dishonesty speaking to the american people? or is the matter irretrievably for him? >> well, list. people will give you a break if you're honest and saysten, i made a mistake. i messed up. >> this many times? >> they could have done it on benghazi, on the irs issue, and they certainly could have done it on this. yeah, listen, it' a problem for me and many others. but with the president he ses to be very, very resilient and people don't care as long as they're getting some of the benefits they get or they're

getting time with the president and pushing forth his agenda. and you have every democrat, almost every demrat in the house and senate pushing his agenda still and making things up and making it woe. the american people need to hold everybody accountable athe ballot box come 2014. >> senor scott brown, thanks for being with us. up next, the brand-new book "middle-eastern heroes on the home front" brings together a collection of true stories from the men ad women who put their lives on the line to defend our great tion. and e of thosepeople, who's defended this nation, author colonel oliver north is next. you really love, what would you do?" ♪ [ woman ] i'd be a writer. [ man ] i'd be a baker. [ woman ] wanna be a pie maker. [ man ] i wanna be a pilot. [ woman ] i'd be an architect. whaif i told you someone could pay you and what if that person were you? ♪ when you think about it,

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e sacrifice made by our men and women in unorm as well as those viously made by their famili. joining us now is the author, lieutenant colonel oliver noth. his w book "american heroes on the home front, the hearts of heroes." it is great to have you with us. >> great to be with you. >> terrific book. i start by saying you've got to reed this book. it is written for folks like me who love the pictures as much as the words. these rain credible pictures and it's an incredible story. >> well, we did that onspecial on war stories where we were allowed to put a team down at camp la june, noh carolina. i was out with the unit when it was deployed in iraq in 2006. of course, whi we're embedded they lost marines. down at camp lejeune, obviously a privilege very few have ever been granted, we were there to cover that aspect of it.

so what you've got today is a follow on to that experience, in large part because my best friend and the mothe of our kids said to me after that show, you never understood until now what we were going through back at home. so the hearts of heroes aren't just the purple hearts, it's the hearts of those that love them. >> now, the story of what the families go through, and the importance of their support to these wounded warris in particular, it's so critil, so important. and i think organizations like the fisher house, they wwrk for e families just as much as they're working for that wounded warrior anhow important that is. >> and one of the things that i think we need to be very careful of in this new era of reduced budgets for almost everything military, they not cut the family support services to the bone which looks like are going

to do. because ultimaty the ability to attract enough volunteers for the next war is going to depend a lot on how we've treated the volunteers in this war. i poi out to people that for the very first time sie the american revolution, every single person serving in a uniform in a time of war is a volunteer. it's not happened in between. and so george washington is right. your ability to attract enough volunteers next go around is going to depend on how well we treat those fromhisone,and they better not forget the sacrifices of these families. >> your judgment, how well are we taking care of our wounded warriors taking care of their families? >> there's no doubt that the military medical system is the best in the world. in fact, you're far better off getting wounded on the battle fielin afghanistan than you are having a crash on the interstate. because these guys know how to dealwith it. trauma care is the best in the world. the rehab is. the problem is in the transition from the military system to the v.a. the veterans administration. what happens there, quite

frankly, is unconscionable. you've got a 22-month average time between the day they stt filing the paperworkand the v.a. accepts them into the system. i have been with guys who are in this book. there's graphic pictures in here we would never put on fox. these guys said no, thi what is happened when we were hurt. please show people what it was really like. so it's very graphic. it takes them in that progress through immediate battle field care, trauma,to germany, back to the states and then in rehab and now procsed out into the quote real world. what's happened is two things. one, the v.a. system is broke. the motto over the door o the v.a. is "nothing is too gd for ourroops" that's just what we're going to give them, nothing. second of all, these kid deserve a good job. it's the brightest, best educated military that the world's ever seen. >> andost-traumatic stress, you talk about it in the book. an we've got so many guys

suffering from that. and i think about the tours. when you were in vietnam versus the tours these guys were expected so many of them over so many years in afghanistan, in iraq. i can't even -- contrast if you will the pressure on the battle field knowing you're going out on one mission. the guys that we've been sending over to afghanistan and iraq day after day after day of intense, intense combat. >> world war ii,my dad -- i was born at fort sam houston in san antonio, texas wheny dad was already overseas. my mom and dad met at a uso dance in 1940. he left in early 1943, didn't come home until '45. gone for two years. total time in combat for the 95th infantry division is less than six months, even though they were gone for two years. korea average time in combat 11 months. vietnam average time in combat 13 months for a single term.

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find ways to maximize their position and those of their biggest supporters. so you have a circumance i this case where millions of americans are losing their health care verage, millions more having difficulty even finding out what coverage is avaible. and yet there are people tha are very well-position today do well financily. these are connections that are made by financiers, business owners who are bundlers for the president who have positioned their business in a nice way to profit from the mandates that obama care has created. this is the problem you get when you get crony capitalism, where the government starts picking winners and loosers and making theskinds of decisions. >> ty're makingdecisions, picking winners and losers without question and frankly telling the aerican people to go to hell when they're assed a question. we have literally no information on enrollments over the course of the nearly -- well, it's one month th it's been in eect.

the best we've got that is there were 200 enrollments in two days and that's the end of our knowledge. how are we to react to this administration? >> well, i think outrage is necessary. but i don't think it can just be outrage in a general sense. i think we have to learn lessons from this. the american people have to recognize that when the government comes and says wee going to take 15 to 20% of the entire economy and we're going to reconfigure it and trust us we know what we're doing, they're t half as smart as they think they ar these are very complex economic systems. and whethethese problems were intended or unintend, the facact of the matter is, you cannot be smart enough. no group of people can be smart enough to reconfigure a complex system like this without causing major major sruptions. and the reality is that the disruptions tend to go negative for those who are not connected

in washington, d.c. and very positive for those who are. >> you mean pain for millions of americs. flesh and blood pain. let me turn to as i was talking with matt and judy and hank, this effort now, all of these organizations that hav blossomed suddenly are lobbying the house to go to this sene amnesty legislation. what are your thoughts? you've got food workers are now amongst the leaders, the fast food chaiis are ongst the leaders in pushing for amnesty. what are we watchiig happen to this country? >> well, it's b basic supp and demand. and if you are a company and you want to keep wages down, the way you do that is by increasing labor supply. so amnesty will be a boon to companies to keep labor costs down and it's ironic to me, lou, that the the same people who are pushing to increase the minimum wage in t united states are

the same people that are saying we want amnesty. you can't have both of those at the same time. if you increase the labor supply it is going to hurt wking cls and middle class americans. who it's going to benefit is basically the investm people that are involved with major corporations, own a lot of shares. those are going to make out very, very well when it comes to amnesty because it's going to help their bottom line. >> peter as i was saying to hank, the fact is that in most industries in which illegal immigrants are a major component of their workforces, wages are actually declining, not rising. and that is not reflective of -- as you well no, that's not reflective of a scarce labor force. that is an indication that labor is in surplus. >> yes. >> and for people with a straight face to walk into washington, d.c. contending otherwise is truly remarkable.

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